I apologize for the source, but it is what it is . . .
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
I apologize for the source, but it is what it is . . .
I still refuse to click on the link though.
I don't expect anyone to click on the link but if I didn't post the link, people would gripe about not posting the source. Damn, Catch-22 Mgoblog etiquette!
Here's the Detroit News Link: http://www.detnews.com/article/20091027/SPORTS0201/910270439/1361/Corner...
And here's my post about alternatives to the Fr--p: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/alternatives-freep-michigan-messenger-and-more
Cant be good... In reference to the source or the context... Please, No Michigan DB hating God, NO!!!!!
dumb ass!!! the kid is going school for free and gets to play football and he blows it....
Damn it. Missing class and workouts is an idiotic thing to do. What was he thinking?
He probably already had made his decision so why go to class and workouts
(actually I'm not sure if this works 100% in terms of stiffing the Freep from pageview $$)
edit the new link into yours if you can....
Most ad services just count the number of times that their ad shows up on a page and the number of times the ad is clicked on. So, fear not little MGo...uh...Goer, your conscience should be clear!
Forget about whether or not to click on a Fr--p link based on their ads and revenue. It's about trust. Why on earth would you trust that garbage site to inform you about anything?
Because a lot of posters here live in the Detroit area, and the Free Press is the biggest and best resource for local non-sports news. It's a bit moronic to demand people give up quality local news because the sports department shat the bed.
The guy seems to have gotten plenty of chances but insisted on continuing to act like a knucklehead. It sounds like his high school coach was among the many folks trying to steer him in the right direction but for whatever reason nobody could get through to him. A real shame to see a kid blow such a wonderful opportunity.
I just refreshed that article 15 times to make up for you fuckheads who think you're actually fighting the power, then feel the need to remind us with a dozen posts in every thread that vaguely mentioned the Free Press. Cue negging.
Now that wasn't very nice.
Nicely done sir!
are a BIGOT
There are at least 3 ND boards that have linked to the same article, betting they might get a few more hits.
I remember when TKoB set the record for most negged post with I think a -97 on 1 post post Iowa game. I'm surprised this hasn't gotten to that point, yet I'm sure it will.
this would be a bad loss at a position of need
from Wilcher, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's true. Could this be a Carson Butler kicked off the team type of thing where he's allowed back on 6 months? I don't know, but for now I tend to think Wilcher is telling the truth.
And Wilcher certainly wasn't coming to his defense at all, which is also interesting.
there goes our Cass Tech pipeline. [/sarcasm]
I wonder if they had any thing to do with it.
...doesn't work on the interwebs.
its a bummer that Cissoko didn't go as we hoped.
It's a shame that a kid would squander an opportunity like this.
It's also a shame that the kid came in so highly touted and had underperformed so greatly.
Perhaps this could mean his performance would have been better had his heart been in it. At the end of the day perhaps it is better for the team to rid itself of players whose hearts are not fully in it.
But still a shame.
I hope he doesn't pull a ,Boren or O'neil like move, (I know the situations are different) and go away and instantly start bashing the program. I don't think we could afford anymore of that.
Wasn't is Wermers who bashed the program, not O'Neil. IIRC, O'neil handled his departure with class.
My bad...For some reason I was thinking that I remembered something about O'Neil saying something but yes it was for sure Wermers and Bored
Word of advice to people who care about their points; don't call people "fuckheads".
Gee, and I thought I was being nice.
We could care less about the fuckhead. The negbang comes from clicking the refresh button. Fuckhead. [positive points for proof].
Oh, sorry that I don't pretend to stage another lunch counter sit in on the Free Press
and getting negged is appropriate if you are deliberately trying to provoke IMO.
HOWEVA, I have to say IMHO the Freep boycott is overblown. To each his own, and if you don't want to read them that is understandable and cool with me, but to me they are like any source--you read them and understand the perspective, and if you still find value then good for you. I have never stopped going to them as one source for M articles, and it will take more than an idiot reporter to change that--for me anyway.
And one more controversial statement: the fact that the NCAA has moved to the next phase, far from being "nothing," is in fact a sign that they believe there is enough evidence from the investigation so far to continue the process. That means there is something to the allegations--it DOES NOT MEAN we have committed major violations. But it does mean that the lead NCAA investigator believes it is worth continuing, after interviewing people for more than a month.
We have a recent rash of posters trying to make themselves the center of attention on threads.
"Rash" is a good word for it.
I would wish the guy luck, but I don't like him.
As a player or a human? Or both?
Do you know him personally?
Nope. I didn't like him as a player (except as a kick returner), and I haven't heard anything good about him personally.
This probably is not the time to be stating your dislike of a 20 year old kid who you have never met. This issue goes well beyond football. Missing class, workouts, and whatever isnt the problem. The problem is what caused him to do so in the first place. He could be a really troubled kid right now. And thats just what he is a KID.
He is just a kid.
I didn't realize I was required to like every 20-year-old just because he/she is young.
I saw enough in 38 secs to draw my own conclusion
He's just a kid. You're not allowed to dislike him, even if he acted in an unsportsmanlike manner, acted cocky when he didn't do much, got in trouble with the police, got suspended from the team, and then got kicked off the team. You know, because likable, good kids get kicked off major college football teams all the time...
I never said you cant dislike him. What I am saying is that voicing that sentiment publicly after he was dismissed for the team is probably not the best idea and shows more of your character than his.
He is 20 years old and is clearly not making good decisions right now. However, that does not mean that he is a bad person or anything. He is young and we have no idea whats going on in his life right now.
One person gets kicked off a football team...
...another person says he didn't like the aforementioned person...
...and my character is more in question than his?
I won't apologize for not liking a Michigan player. I know my opinion isn't popular, but I'm not a follower. I voice my opinion and you can do what you want with it. But the kid got kicked off the team. It's not a stretch to say that he might have character issues.
Hes also still a kid trying to figure out life and still in the developing stages.
You are more than likely older than say 25 or 30 and therefore you publicly saying you dont like a kid who made a bad choice is more an indication of your character to me. Cissoko still has room to grow and mature.
Are you serious? Every 20-year-old has the chance to grow and mature. Does that mean nobody can dislike a 20-year-old?
If I said I disliked LeGarrett Blount, who punched a Boise State player and then went after some fans, would you (the general "you", not the individual "you") be so offended? I mean, he's just a 22-year-old kid. What about the douchebag housemate I had in college? He was only 21. Can I not dislike him?
Yes, speak truth to power. Nobody else has the courage to talk bad about an expelled college student. You brave, brave man.
This is not the only time I've gone out on a limb on here. And this is not the only time I've gone out on a limb in my life, either.
I'm not saying it takes courage to say what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'm not going to just go with the flow because I'm afraid of what any of you will think of me or support him blindly just because he plays for Michigan.
The helmet he wears has no effect on my opinion of him. Many Michigan fans are blinded by the winged helmet.
C'mon guys. The real reason Magnus is mad is that he spent the better part of a year with Cissoko as his avatar.
And by the way, I was completely wrong about the kid. Oh well.
que the terrell pryor quote about mike vick...
I just didn't feel right letting you be the only one getting negged in this thread :)
Every time I watch that clip, I remember why I disliked him so much, and normally I really feel bad for kids who don't fit a system or are shoved out of the way to make room for someone else. But not this time.
I do have a Q though, if he is "dismissed from the team" does that me he can transfer anywhere or does UM still control where he could possibly go?
I think Magnus and I both dislike him for the same reason. In the ND game he threw a ND player to the ground after the play was over. He didn't get flagged, but the camera was right on him. He has a bad attitude and doesn't deserve to be on a team where there are people behind him who are willing to put in a lot more effort.
If he had gotten flagged nobody would remember this.
Carson Butler got flagged. Most remember that.
Greg Matthews didn't get flagged. Most don't seem to remember that.
Your logic is faulty.
OK, but since this is a public forum and negative stuff that's posted here could actually impact him now and in the future, it's probably best to lay off the hearsay.
"I've never heard anything good about him personally" hardly counts as hearsay. I said nothing specific.
LAME. You said you didn't like him as a person or a player and that you hadn't heard anything good about him. It's implied.
What's implied? Nothing is implied. I DON'T LIKE HIM. The "implication" is that I don't like him and I never heard anything good about him. I flat-out said what I have to say.
I think it's fair when you say you don't like him because he was a bad football player and you never heard anything good about him that you were implying that you heard hearsay about him that was bad regarding his personal character. Most people won't have personal animosity towards someone simply because they struggled on the football field.
You're being an ass, and frankly, you're too intelligent to sit there and pretend like you're notbdoing what all these other posters are speaking of. A kid just blew a tremendous opportunity, and that's an unequivocably bad thing. Perhaps, rather than piling on, you could show some human decency, and, if you have something bad tobaay about someone you don't know, you keep it to yourself.
What am I pretending that I'm not doing?
1. He got in trouble with the police.
2. He got suspended from the team.
3. He got kicked off the team.
4. When he had a half-decent play, he waved his arms like he just won a national championship.
5. When he tackled Michael Floyd, he pushed him back down to the ground.
All of this was public knowledge. It was either reported in the newspapers or it was seen on national TV. That list of five things right there is plenty to base my decision on.
No, you inferred.
I inferred that from an assumption that Magnus wouldn't randomly dislike someone as a person unless he been given reason to. I thought that was reasonable.
I don't have reason to? Do I need to list all the public things he's done?
1. Got in trouble with police on Belle Isle.
2. Shoved Michael Floyd
3. Got kicked off the team.
4. Got suspended from the team.
5. Waved his arms whenever he did something half-decent.
Those are my reasons.
#2 doesn't apply. It is football and people get shoved all the time. That doesn't make him a bad person.
It's not a quality I like to see in Michigan football players.
Personally I don't think 2 and 5 are a big deal and if your reaction to this news is "I didn't like him anyway" 3 is circular. But you can, of course, like or dislike someone for any reason you want. I was just defending my interpretation of what you said.
Obviously Boubacar has screwed up repeatedly (though I don't think minor pushing and shoving or being excited during a football game are things to be overly critical of, but that is just a difference of opinion). He then got a second chance and failed to take advantage of it. He is now being hit with some pretty big consequences and will almost certainly regret these actions for the rest of his life (once he gets some perspective and realizes the opportunity he has given up). When a 20 year old kid screws up his life, you taking that opportunity to remind everyone how much you dislike him (based almost exclusively on the fact that he disappointed you on the football field) is petty and mean-spirited. When you've never met or interacted with the kid, it makes even less sense. I know plenty of people who had to talk with the police in college and missed lots of classes, myself included, and none of them faced the consequences that Boubacar will have to endure (much less having to do it in the public eye).
Any Michigan fan and anyone with a shred of humanity should be pulling for the kid to get his life back in order rather than piling on because he was only good at returning kicks.
now we're saying he's screwed up his life? really? he screwed up his opportunity at UM. i'm sure he'll get a scholly somewhere else. perhaps this is what he needed. a good kick in the shorts to straighten out his attitude. it could turn out to be a good thing in the long run. but it's up to him.
My Michigan fanhood has nothing to do with it. That's the point. If this kid played for Miami or OSU or PSU or Oregon or USC or Texas or Grand Valley State, I wouldn't like his actions.
He hasn't disappointed me on the football field that much, because I said since he was recruited that I didn't think he would be a good cornerback. I never expected much from him, so I'm not that disappointed.
It is not easy to get kicked off of a major college football team. It doesn't take a giant intellectual leap to conclude that this kid was making bad decisions on AND off the field.
Quite a change of opinion. Didn't you recently have a picture of Cissoko in your avatar?
Yes. I had a picture of him returning a kick, which he was really good at.
I changed the avatar immediately after the Notre Dame game this year when he acted like he did.
This is funny to me. The only reason the above post is getting negged is because I've committed the cardinal sin of saying something negative about a Michigan player.
I think it's at least partially your presentation/tone (and you know that), but like you said, you're "not a follower" and say what you think and it doesn't matter, so people can (and will) disagree.
You're getting negged not because you said something negative about a Michigan player, but because you are making a conclusion about the character of a person you have never met before.
Its one thing to say he was a bad football player, which you may have evidence for. Its quite another to say he is a bad person.
But perhaps even more astonishing is that we are all most likely in our mid 20's and up and don't understand that a 20 year old kid is still a kid and will make bad decisions from time to time.
Magnus I hope you never missed a class when you were 20, or you never let an obligation slip. I find your entire tirade against him to be utterly hypocritical and short sighted.
Have you met Michael Jackson? Have you met Charles Manson? Have you met Kellen Winslow? Moreover, have you met Mother Theresa or Barack Obama or Princess Diana? But you've made judgments about their character, yes? Okay.
I'm not saying I never missed a class. I did. And if Boubacar Cissoko got kicked off a major college football team that's in dire need of cornerbacks for missing ONE CLASS, then I'll eat my Mike Hart jersey. Getting "dismissed from the team" implies that there was more than one bad decision.
Yeah. Kids make mistakes. They all do. We all did. That doesn't mean we need to like every one of them.
No I have never met Michael Jackson. He was also found innocent of all wrong doing by a jury of his peers. Charles Manson was found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers by a preponderance of evidence. Havent met Kellen Winslow either.
Barack Obama could be the biggest douche ever behind closed doors and I wouldn't know.
So comparing Cissoko to a convicted murderer is your ploy now? Wow.
I also mentioned Princess Diana and Mother Theresa. But you didn't latch onto that part, did you?
And actually, I'm not comparing him to anyone. I'm comparing the idea of "character." You have made many decisions on people's character without knowing them. You're not above the fray.
All of my reasons for disliking Cissoko were a) reported by the news or b) broadcast on national TV. If you want to attack the truthfulness of the newspapers, that's one thing...but until you do, I'm going to believe that he got detained by police on Belle Isle and that he got kicked off the team. Those are both negative things, in my opinion.
Views can become skewed when all you hear about someone is negative. He got detained by the police, he isnt a good corner, he pushed a guy on national tv, etc. My assertion is that you dont know what he is like as a person. You just "know" what the news and bloggers decide to report on and stress.
I am not in anyway condoning his actions. He made terrible decisions at times. However, developmentally speaking he is still a late adolescent and not an adult with a firm grasp of character or who he is.
Its one thing to call Manson a bad person because he is an adult and killed people. Again Obama and Princess Diana are/were adults who can be more consistent in their behavior because they are at a stage developmentally that allows them to be so.
I think we need to agree that, yes, Cissoko made terrible decisions lately. But since we do not know him personally and have no idea what is going on his life we cannot make an accurate determination of his character yet. Is this reasonable?
It is somewhat reasonable, and I appreciate your ability to conduct yourself rationally, unlike some others.
However, if THAT is reasonable, then isn't it also reasonable to suggest that ANY judgment of an adolescent/young adult - whether it's positive or negative - is premature? For example, let's assume that Cissoko isn't fully developed and, therefore, I shouldn't judge him based on the negative things he's done. Logically, wouldn't that also mean that I can't say that I "like" 20-year-old Joe Schmoe, who builds houses for the homeless and works at a soup kitchen on the weekends?
I believe that any concrete judgment of an adolescent's character is premature due to the fact that they are not in a place developmentally to be consistent in their behavior.
Positive behavior such as working at a soup kitchen and building houses for the homeless need to be recognized and used as positive reinforcement. Bad behavior needs to have consequences like being dismissed from the team.
However, just because a kid is out building houses on the weekend and feeding the poor at a soup kitchen does not mean he will not turn out to be a convicted felon later in life. Conversely, Cissoko could end up being a champion for under privileged youth when he matures. We just dont know. Thats why in my opinion all judgments of character and personal value should be held until that person is an adult and can developmentally be consistent in his or her behavior.
So, we shouldn't judge on what someone might do in the future?
Magnus, we are a kindred spirit! You and I say what we think and don't care what other people say or think about it. So, since that's true, my questions to you are these: You've given your no nonsense opinions, so why are you still here arguing with people about them? Why do you care about the backlash or worry about the points (especially when you have over 4,000(!) - but I'll catch you soon enough!)?
I don't care about the points. I just think the mentality of MGoPosters is humorous sometimes.
Also, I would just like people to see their hypocrisy. If this were some kid from OSU or MSU, we'd all be laughing at him. But since the kid is from Michigan, people get offended that someone would ever *GASP* not like a kid in a winged helmet. I'm trying to offer some perspective, and perhaps my comments will convince someone out there.
You're not getting negged because you don't like someone that played for Michigan. I didn't like Ryan Mallett when he was here. You're getting negged because you are being a dick. I have only negged you a couple uber-dickish times.
I'm saying I didn't like him and I'm giving reasons. But the fact that I voiced my opinion makes people think I'm being a dick about it.
You saying you don't like him is fine and dandy. How you're saying it is why some people are negging you.
There's really no "nice" way of saying you don't like someone. You just kind of...you know...say it. And it helps if you have reasons, which I presented. Everything else has been a response to what other people have said.
ding-ding-ding! We have a winner. No one likes an asshole.
Charles Manson == Boubacar Cissoko? Yeah I can see the comparison.
If you interpret that I'm saying they're equal, then I also said Mother Theresa == Boubacar Cissoko. But you didn't latch onto that part, did you?
As I explained above, the point is this: we all make judgment on character about people we don't know, whether it's good or bad.
Charles Manson == Mother Theresa?
I didn't like Magnus as a poster (except as...uh...um...I can't think of any exceptions), and I haven't heard anything good about him personally.
That's pretty shitty coming from a guy who touts himself as a champion of inner-city youth
Yeah, I'd like to see kids like Boubacar get a second chance; it's cruel to think that, against all odds, he made from West Africa through Detroit all the way to the University of Michigan only to have that stripped away because he couldn't keep his attitude in check during a rough patch. I give the benefit of the doubt on character to kids who have been through the stuff that he has. Even if that means he pushes a kid who's talking trash in his face on the football field--I'm not going to say he's a bad person.
What "stuff" has he been through? This is an honest question. I don't know of anything that he's gone through that would warrant feeling sorry for him.
Come on down Cullen Christian, Rashad Knight, Tony Grimes, and any other CB/DB we can get in our program!!
The road to playing time just became even less bumpy.
I agree that if he was screwing around and his heart wasnt in it he should have left, but damn does this news hurt. I escape from the shitty real world into the serenity that is Michigan football.
I hope he gets his act together and makes something of his life. He is still just a 20 year old kid lets remember that and try not to be too critical of him based on this lapse in judgment.
I know it is doubtful but this could affect Turner's redshirt.
1) Probably not.
2) Now I am robbed of the next two years from saying, "Boobie making plays!"
3) Goddamn it.
4) How hard is it to go to class and put some effort in?
Strange that the kid does enough to get back in the coaches' good graces enough to play on Saturday then is dismissed the following Tuesday.
I wonder if the coaches were waiting for some evaluations from Profs or TAs that hadn't yet come in.
Maybe. I think it's just as likely, given what his coach said, that he missed another class or meeting or workout between the game and today. And, I'd guess that he was on a pretty short, zero-tolerance-type leash.
Why work so hard to get back into the lineup then throw it away two days later? I guess it is too much to expect a rational explanation for throwing it away.
What dirt could the kid possibly have? The problem was he DIDN'T go to practice/work-outs (or class for that matter).
If he signed the paper saying he only worked mandatory for 20 hours a week or whatever the limit is in season then he can run his mouth all the wants. The proof is on the paper.
I wish this would all just go away. I just want to press fast forward til we're relevant again and not stubbing ourselves in the foot at every turn.
Cissoko was stubbing with a "blunt" object. OOH that's stupid!
Wow, so we now have 4 scholarship corners on the roster. Warren, Woolfolk(a converted S), Floyd, and Jones(converted RB, never played CB until this year). How are teams not lining up with 5 wide every down against us?
Well we also have Turner FWIW
True, I forgot about him. But since he's most likely redshirting, it's still basically only 4 guys.
I believe Turner is on scholarship.
Ah cali you beat me to it.
James Rogers has recently switched to corner as well.
Woolfolk was a CB previous to this year. They moved him to S because of the poor depth there. So, he really is a CB and not a converted S.
I only read about guys playing for us.
For good or ill, the dude is going to go from getting arrested at boblo to working at boblo.....
Boblo? Do you mean Belle Isle?
Uh Moe, it was Belle Isle not Boblo you ninny. Boblo has not been open since about when you were still alive.
given such a great opportunity doesn't understand how lucky he is and what a unique position he was in.
A chance to play for the Maize and Blue is a priviledge not a right and a "free" road to earn a degree from Michigan is priceless. It can be so hard to get that across to some of the kids today.
Good luck to him.
im not going to believe it till i see it. i dont know his coach very well, and i assume he has no reason to lie, but until something official comes out (lets be honest, freep isnt exactly known for its groundbreaking journalism) im going to take it with a grain of salt.
Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez released this statement: "Boubacar Cissoko has been dismissed for a violation of team rules."
Damn. If Warren goes pro, either Floyd or Turner will start. And that is probably not a good thing. We need Donovan to stay more than any other player we've had in the last few years.
Here's the News article:
And, Brian has a post on the main page...
Boubacar Cissoko: Big idiot, or biggest idiot?
MGoAndy: big jerk that judges people or biggest jerk that judges people?
david from wyoming: big jerk who judges big jerks who judge people or biggest jerk who judges biggest jerks who judge people?
Not sure how my comment is inappropriate, though. Guy was/is immensely talented, going to school for free, and wearing the winged helmet and threw it away by not going to class and skipping workouts. Balas posted over at Rivals that he seriously screwed up.
To be clear, I wish Boubacar all the best. I had very high hopes for him, and hope he succeeds wherever he ends up.
Wouldn't you feel like an ass if it ever came out that Boubacar was missing class because of a personal issue (ie, death in the family)? Calling someone an idiot when you don't know the full story is judging someone. Remember how people got pissed that McGuffie wanted to leave the program and the line 'he isn't a true MICHIGAN MAN' was tossed around a lot. Yup, turns out he had good reasons for going home.
And I'm a huge jerk, but not for the reason you think.
I'm 97.8% sure that Rodriguez wouldn't kick a kid off the team for missing class due to a death in the family.
We can be cautious in our assumptions, but let's not be ridiculously so.
So assuming Warren goes pro, our starting corners next year are Floyd and Woolfolk? (Or Floyd and Turner if Woolfolk moves back to safety?)
That means pretty much any incoming freshman CB is guranteed a spot on the 2 deep. Hopefully we load up.
Unfortunate this happened.... Cissoko was one of the people I was most excited about in his recruiting class, unfortunate that he had the world at his fingertips and squandered the opportunity.
I think the starters next year will be Warren and Woolfolk. I bet Turner, Floyd and two Freshman will see alot of time. I wouldn't be surprised to see Vlad and Kovaks start at safety with Williams and a Freshman (true or redshirt) getting time also.
That is assuming that Warren doesn't go pro. But, if he does then our depth is looking scary.
I wonder if Magnus would get negged for saying He liked kittens? It's an opinion people!
As for Boo Boo.... Dude you wasted what I could never have. It saddens me.
Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it. I think my dad told me that once, or forty times.
All things being equal, I will miss his name.
Aw now what the hell did I do?
Missed class because of a death in the family? You gotta have something better then that!
I'll bet any money that he goes to Michigan State
Can't say I ever expected to see those names bandied about together.
That's what I'm here for.
I hope that he gets his act together and gets a second chance. The general notion of the guy who went to school in Detroit and gets accepted into the best school in Michigan on scholarship to play football is appealing to me, and I'd hate to see it end this way. I couldn't care less about media coverage and all that other crap; I just want to see him graduate with a Michigan degree, assuming that he improves himself and deserves it.