Per some twitter reports, Chip Kelly will be the next coach at Tampa Bay. I find this absurd. It makes me wonder if some serious sanctions are coming the Ducks way.
That would crack me up. But I think he's trying to hit the road before any NCAA sanctions head their way
yeah it'd quack me up too. ahahahaha!! :D
Lol, I read it as quack as well. Very surprising news. I am actually disappointed to here this because that makes USC's season that much easier and they are going to be stacked.
This sounds like the Pete Carroll exit maneuver. One step ahead of the NCAA po-lice. Kelly is probably thinking that it's too bad the Seahawks job wasn't available.
Sounds like he simply wants to go to the NFL. He had an interview with the dolphins before they made their hire. Players found out about the buccaneers deal today around three. Consesus among duck players is that it will be done soon. Hold on to those hats in Eugene...they could have quite a few players decommitt or leave.
If true, that would suck for Pharaoah Brown.
His offense is the only reason he's successful.
Yeah I'm sure he would start by drafting Darren Thomas and LaMichael James. And I'm sure they would be equally effective.
Why would sanctions coming to Oregon affect the sanity of the Bucs' GM?
that damaged the sanity of the Bucs' GM.
I am not the grammar police...but this is egregious.
Dibs on the first Pharaoh Brown and Jake Fisher posts.
Better act quick. Seriously, though, I would love to have Pharaoh back in this class. Great player at a position of need to bring us to (likely) 28. Not sure we would take him and Grant, though.
I don't want Pharaoh back. He turned his back on Michigan. We don't need those types of players here.
Don't forget about Dwayne Stanford
That was my exact thought. I dont know how you could run that type of offense against an NFL defense that has exceptional speed at every position.
If Kelly utlimately winds up in the NFL, I expect (a) Oregon to be smacked with major sanctions, and (b) for him to fail pretty badly in the NFL. His system makes sense in college because most teams are poor at tackling in space and have a hard time preparing for that offense. But in the pros, teams can tackle guys in space at a much higher clip and you are not going to survive with a 1 or 2-read passing scheme.
Obligatory Denver Broncos/Tim Tebow response
Not all spreads are alike. Different system.
the Broncos didn't have a system, they had a couple plays.
They also had Tim Tebow, their savior.
He QB'd a team into the play-offs and won a play-off game, not bad.
tackling well in space at a higher clip. I've seen tons of missed tackles in NFL. You have to realize that the NFL offensive players are better athletes than college players so it's a wash.
I wouldn't say it's a wash. There are a lot more high-scoring games in college than in the pros, which suggests a greater imbalance between offense and defense at that level.
While it doesn't explain it all, and I agree there is an imbalance in the improvement, you have to take into account the time rules and how they affect the scores. The clock doesn't stop for first downs in the NFL which runs a lot of extra clock off, especially on long plays. There is also a lot more hurry up in college that adds to the scoring.
His system makes sense because his numbers work. QB running threat means either play down one in the box or one on one on the outside. After that he makes everything looks the same which makes it hard for a defense to read. Any NFL offense needs talent to make it go. His isn't asking anything new outside of the QB...and all of a sudden there's a glut of athletic former/current QBs thanks to guys like Chip Kelly.
The QB isn't nearly the running threat in Kelly's offense that people make it out to be. Darron Thomas carried the ball 56 times for 206 yards last season. It's basically a passing spread.
5th in rushing yards per game.
68th in passing yards per game.
The touchdown numbers are closer (42 rushing, 39 passing) but that's not a passing spread dawg.
A "passing spread" team doesn't necessarily throw more than it rushes. It just means that the QB is primarily a thrower. People have been talking about Kelly's offense like it's just like RR's, when the role of the QB is dramatically different.
It's not a passing spread in any sense that I usually see that term used. KIiff Kingsbury didn't threaten the DE w/ his legs in order to get numbers at the point of attack.
what are the chances that look for a running / throwing QB like DRob, in 2013 to run that kind of spread offense...???
Could it be Pete Carroll v2.0?
Time to make it a verb! Oh, wait. It already is.
Wow, I would love to see how a true spread would work in the NFL. Bad for college football though, his offense is a ton of fun to watch.
would make a great OC, maybe not head coach, is Mike Leach. That is basically what the best offenses in the NFL have become, spreads like Mike Leach ran at Texas Tech. Picture Aaron Rodgers in a Mike Leach offense...
I'll be curious to see who ends up in Eugene as the new Head Coach. Any ideas?
again, the Google works. It's not broken or anything
How about Yahoo?
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That you were being insulted?
I forgot all about that site until you just mentioned it. Holy crap.
I don't know about that, especially when WVU went through the trouble of naming him the head coach.
I live in Oregon and listen to the local sports talk radio shows whenever I can. There is never ever any talk of Oregon sanctions and it is not as if the talk show jocks get along with coach Kelly - they think he is kind of an ass- so I do not believe there to be any cover up on their part. All we ever hear is how wonderful life is if you are a Duck or duck fan.
Chip Kelly is obviously successful and he is single with zero life outside of football. That kind of work-aholic is exactly what you have to be anymore. If it is true that he goes to the NFL then the whole state of Oregon might be on suicide watch.....
Or it could be Oregon sports talk jocks are stupid, like they are every where else.
The NCAA is obviously investigating Willie Lyles and company. They've already sent Oregon a Letter of Inquiry. There are many recruiting insiders that would be shocked if it didn't lead to a NOA. Combine this with the odd decision of Darren Thomas, there seems to be plenty of smoke.
One who have to wonder if Darron Thomas leaving for the NFL has anything to do with this. Your star QB and coach (supposedly) both unexpectedly leave for the NFL? Something is going down in Eugene.
Darron Thomas left because his back up was very immpresive an would challenge him for PT next year.
I don't buy that story. That's like if Denard went pro because of rumors Gardner had done well in practice (if Denard was slightly less explosive and had won about 6 more games over the past 2 years).
Especially when you consider Thomas's poor prospects as a NFL quarterback.
Should have waited. He would have been perfect at Oregon.
I'd be curious to see if he could adapt and run a pro style offense. Or does he only know his version of the spread? Would he seriously try to use that offense in the NFL?
If this turns out to be true, it'll be interesting to watch.
Well, now he can spend more time with LeGarrette
If a pro team is willing to throw money at him why not leave? He's a hot name and his entire backfield is moving on. Take the $ and see what happens. He can always go back to coaching college. Better to leave too early than stay during a rebuilding phase that may or may not be successful.
I bet the coach at Arizona welcomes this news since they would also be recruiting the same type of athlete out west.
I really don't think that logic would pan out in the long run. First and foremost, I understand he's got some rebuilding to do with Oregon; however, he's got a good thing going there. The fan base has his back as does the university. Secondly, I think it's a safe bet to say he'd flounder at best in the NFL which wouldn't look too good on his resume. Finally, if he's merely leaving for the money then any attempt he'd make at coming back to college (assuming he gets fired after a few years in the NFL) would be highly scrutinized in that universities would be worried he's simply in it for the money.
1) I'm certain Kelly doesn't share your view that he'll "flounder at best" in the NFL.
2) Name the last very successful college coach who had trouble getting a high-profile college job after trying the NFL?
1) I'm not terribly concerned with what Kelly has to say.
2) If he does get fired and head back to college football, I doubt he'll be able to recreate what he's done at Oregon.
2. Yeah cause Saban has really struggled since his return to college.
In this instance I'm talking about what would happen if Kelly performed terribly and got fired. Saban wasn't fired; he spent two medicore years with the Dolphins and went back to college football.
Two completely different situations.
Ohio is helped with Meyer becoming the best spread coach left (and the spread getting implemented in the NFL).
If we're talking strictly about offense, then Arizona has the best Spread coach. I can't for the life of me remember his name though.
Edit: This is clearly a trolling post.
and staying just a little bit ahead of the sheriff.
I always have to think "which Kelly" for a second or so.
As a Bucs fan, I'd actually be pretty upset if this happened. But then again, the Glazers are in the business of pissing the Tampa community off, so its really nothing new. But to me, it doesn't make sense. I mean Kelly's a good coach, with 2 Rose Bowls and a BCS title appearance, but:
1) He's a spread coach. How does this translate to the NFL, where the spread is more or less nonexistent?
2) This is more just a personal issue, but when I think of the Bucs, I think defense. I think of names like John Lynch, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Hardy Nickerson, Ronde Barber, and the list goes on and on. These guys were the foundation of one of the NFL's top defenses year in and year out. I know Kelly's offenses are explosive, but defense is what wins Super Bowls, as evidenced by our only Super Bowl win in 2002. We had an anemic offense at best, but the #1 defense in the NFL across the board.
I hope, for the sake of my team, that Kelly turns out to be the right guy, but he'd better invest a lot of time in our defense. We didn't spend the last 2 drafts using our top picks on D-lineman for nothing.
Wow if this is true, Darren Thomas will look like a genius
if i were a bucaneers fan i would be pretty excited about the possibility of chip kelly being their head coach... i mean what do they have to lose? they lost their last 10 games last year they were terrible. why not take a risk?
Normally I'd agree but Kelly uses a system the NFL does not, and for good reason. NFL LBs and DBs are strong and fast enough to tackle in open space. And personally, I'd rather not "take a risk" on a coach. I mean sure, you technically take a risk on whatever coach you hire, but to me, this guy being a success for my team (yes, I'm a Bucs fan) is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. The spread does not translate to the NFL, otherwise teams would use it. Personally I want a strongly defensive-minded coach leading my team.
The Bucs have always been about defense, and that's the way I hope it stays. Still, if they hire Kelly, I will support him until he gives me a reason to think otherwise.
In some cases, jumping from college to the NFL works...but I don't see that working in Chip's case. He may be making a big mistake here.
Before Tony Dungy got to Tampa, one could always rest assured that there was one team in the NFL that was run as badly as the Lions were. For years, Detroit and Tampa Bay were the two worst-run franchises in the NFL. Tampa Bay had apparently righted its ship, but then the Glazer family bought Manchester United. Ever since, they have spent as little money as they can, and dumped the TV profits into their true passion, soccer.
Now, the Lions are showing signs of becoming the model franchise of how to rebuild from scratch, and Tampa Bay is back at the bottom again. They are either stalling to get an assistant from one of the final four playoff teams, or they are taking the phrase "fuck up" to an unprecedented level. This "coaching search" makes Bill Martin and Dave Brandon look like Albert Einstein and Werner Von Braun.
Either way, if you were to poll people in the Tampa Bay area, the only people who would say the Glazers are doing a good job would be their relatives.
This hire, if it happens, might even make their relatives turn on them.
You're really not far off. As a Tampa native, I can tell you personally that much of the city dislikes, even despises the Glazers. They've clearly shown that ManU is their top priority, and a lot of their actions with the team over the last few years have alienated them from the fanbase, such as having loads of $ in FA and not spending it. We used to sell out every game, now we're lucky if the stadium is more than half full, or not overrun with opposing fans.
Many people in Tampa are looking forward to the day where the Glazers no longer own the team. We want owners who view the Bucs as their sole priority.
Kelly could be coach for life at Oregon; NFL coaches are hired to be fired.
Unless your last name is Harbough.
Warren Sapp and Arrelious Benn have both tweeted that he's coming there.
Edit: Benn backed off his statement, said he jumped the gun.
Has already come down from Adam Schefter and the Tampa Bay Times. And that he met with them last week. Schefter's tweet was something like "as reported in Portland, Kelly did meet with the Bucs last week" which makes it sound like he knew about this and was sitting on it.
And Oregon boards have a quote from someone in the UO athletic department that they had no clue he was meeting with NFL folks.
So it's clear he met with the Bucs, and if he pissed off the AD, then even though no deal is done yet, Kelly's probably going to do whatever he needs to do to get a deal done with the Bucs.
Duck message boards are in full HOLY SHIT mode and already assuming a godfather offer to Chris Petersen.
Chip Kelly is currently a trending topic on twitter, it must be true. lol. But in all seriousness, it could be a rumor, but the twitterverse is pretty active and saying a deal could be done within 24-48 hours. Most of these guys are credible sources. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I think he could be successful as an NFL HC as long as he doesn't try to do too much. I wish they didn't already have Josh Freeman in the fold there so they could draft RGIII. I'm drooling over that thought and I don't give a shit about Tampa.
Schefter just tweeted that Kelly interviewed last week, so this could actually have some legs to it. Bad move on Kelly's part of this does come to pass.
If he tries to run any semblance of his current system he will fail horribly. NFL defenses are too sound to get the results he did at Oregon.
I'm a Bucs fan and have been closely watching their situation. They have interviewed 8 people and none of them being Kelly.
Of course right after I post this ESPN reports that Kelly is in talks with the Bucs. I am not pleased!
Wonder who would replace Kelly if this rumor were to become factual. Lot of hearsay Oregon could hire Petersen. That'd be ridiculous to watch
what does an eyeball and Sparty's dirtball DE have to do with an eagle? crazy
Welp it looks like Denard might get drafted at QB after all.
Darin Thomas is going pro this year
If (when) Denard has a stellar season next year and shows he can be a capable passer at the next level, what are the chances that a Kelly led Bucs team drafts him as their dual threat QB. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. That could be his best bet if he wants to play QB rather than receiver in the pros.
Probably be cool for Denard to play pro ball back in Florida too
If Kelly is moving to Tampa Bay for the money, Nike, errrr Oregon, will match whatever the Bucs are offering him to stay with the Ducks.
Kelly is intrigued by the challenge of coaching at the highest level and not having to deal with parents and the NCAA oversights that are inherent to coaching in college, the source told Schad
Saw this on the ESPN article. Kelly probably doesn't want details like this floating around.
This little morsel of information is so delicious.
Time for RR to take over the Pac 12! Though i have a good amount of money on arizona finishing with a losing record this year.
Speaking of RR, I just finished Three and Out. Better go make a thread about it!
love all those pointless threads
I'm getting really sick of all my posts being marked as flamebait. Especially this one.
Bet RR is kicking himself right now, having missed out on the Oregon job.
Wow, that would be some big change. He would have Josh Freeman, a mobile quarterback that can make most throws. A few scheme changes, and bringing something most people haven't seen to the NFL could work.
Josh Freeman is about as mobile as my dead grandmother...
do you think he is mobile just because he is black? he's a pocket guy. nothing close to what Kelly is used to.
I think you mean he's athletic. As opposed to gritty or heady.
Kelly cancelled recruiting visits in Sacramento, CA this evening. Change may be coming soon in Eugene.
Chip Kelly's offensive sytem, schematically wise, is simple and does not have a ton of plays. The offense work is due to the pace they set with the super uptempo no huddle offense.
Man I bet Pharaoh Brown is in full-on panic mode right now, scrambling to find Coach Hoke's cell number.
It will be the football equivalent to Paul Westhead: LMU-Denver Nuggets-oblivion
Good luck ducking those sanctions Chip
I can't believe Kelly would leave Eugene and Phil Knight's unlimited bankroll for the headaches of the NFL. He won't last out whatever contract he gets with the Bucs.
This is a terrible time for them to lose their coach, too. There's no way they find someone before NSD.
Losing your two most explosive players probably doesn't help either a la Urban Meyer. Stock is high so cash it in...and yeah, he's gotta be running from something.
Woke up to this just now, broke around 3 AM.
Chip Kelly's stock is rising...the laughing stock that is. Never under any circumstances trust anyone who wears a visor!!! Its for Spurrier and 50+ year old, female golfers, in the movie Caddy Shack only!
and there are transfers and decommits, i wonder how RR will do in channeling that talent to the wildcats.
and if he stays...ignore post.
He's staying. I can't start a new thread and it probably doesn't need one.
Who can Michigan pick up? Maybe Pharoah Brown and Dwayne Stanford. Evan Baylis is a name I vaguely remember at a position of need-ish (unless Brown flips back--would Michigan take 3 tight ends?). Byron Marshall is in the Hoke recruiting footprint, and at a position where we're recruiting, but he's not the type of back that Michigan would want (Scout lists weaknesses as 'power' and 'toughness.'). I think RR might benefit from this, actually.
I'm pretty surprised with how not outstanding Oregon's class is. I thought they'd be able recruit better than what I'm seeing here.
EDIT: Oh well.
He is staying at Oregon so USC hasn't won the 2012 Pac-12 championship....yet.