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Per Chengelis: Darryl Stonum indefinitely suspended
So is the consensus opinion this is something new? I hope it's just Hoke saying 'get your shit together, son, and make yourself right for your past offenses.' I hope this isn't something new.
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We need to have a high standard program. If a player messes up then the penalties need to be strong to help discourage others from future mistakes. Stonum is a valuable member of the team but for the long term it is best that he be punished.
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may be failure to live up to his probation responsibilities. It may be too early to assume it was a second DUI.
Hoke may just want him to get take care of his old mess first.
FWIW @chengelis just tweeted that Hoke will leave a spot for him 2 come back if he "fulfills all of the commitments to the legal system and program"
Just as much as hurting us at receiver this hurts us at the return game. We've had some problems lately in that area and having a returner that is returning is needed.
Common now, we don't even know what he did. The kid is in college, I know I did some stupid shit in college that would have gotten me suspended for a game or two. Give him a break, people make mistakes and he is paying for it as you can see by these tweets. He doesn't need random people he doesn't know making this situation any harder for him.
This is the first big test Hoke will face. How Hoke handles this will be interesting and he'll likely set a benchmark with it.
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guys that i worked with at the stadium is good friends with stonum, and lets just say that he didn't really learn a lot from the first time he got in trouble... there were a few stories of stonum being at a bar and sitting on the bar doing shot after shot after shot...
I could care less how many shots he does, hes in college. He should realize that his full ride scholarship to a prestigiuous university is at stake when he deicdes to DRIVE afterwards.
So you care at least a little bit...?
I meant I could care less about the drinking part, obviously the driving part is concerning.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
Bah, I realize it isn't literally correct, just a stupid phrase that I use. Appreciate the chart for clarity haha.
Always wondered when and why "couldn't" care less was replaced by "could" in the popular vernacular. It is obviously completely senseless but must have seemed cool to someone.
I remember back in grade school wondering about the phrase "couldn't care less". It always seemed to me it implied the speaker was insinuating that they were in fact contemplating caring a lot "more", since they couldn't care "less". Then again I spent a lot of time lying on my back watching clouds.
Apparently how "I couldn't care less" turned into "I could care less" is a nagging, unsolved mystery.
Personally, I'd put my vote behind good ol' fashioned laziness. "I could care less" is one less syllable. Kind of like how here in Austin people call the campus thoroughfare, Guadalupe St., "Guad-a-loop" rather than "Guad-a-lu-pay."
...or old fashioned illiteracy. Two sides of the same coin.
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Irregardless. I hate it.
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Apparently "irregardless" is a lightning rod for hate among English language wonks. The 3rd Ed. of the American Heritage Dictionary has this to say about it:
the label ‘nonstandard’ does not begin to do justice to the status of this word...it has no legitimate antecedents in either standard or nonstandard varieties of English
As with many social blights, it may have originated in Indiana (or at least Indiana is the source of one of the earliest verified uses of it). It has been argued that "irregardless" evolved because of its phonetics. Specifically, the emphasis of "regardless" falls on the middle syllable (i.e., the "-gard-"), as opposed to "irregardless" whose emphasis is on the first syllable (i.e., the "ir-"), making "irregardless" sound more emphatically negative.
It's a good place to start looking for the originator of this offensive word, yes.....
I can see this now, "This blight on the language may have started in Indiana, possibly near Chesterton......"
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he didn't learn anything from getting in trouble the first time, and all i was doing was relaying a story that was told to me...

No radio. Nothing of value.
What worked for the British?! I'm so confused and am left on the edge of my seat!
... it sounds like the kid MAY have some more serious concerns than just having a couple too many drinks before heading home.
Irrespective of football, hopefully he can get the support he needs if it is serious.
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I'm not sure why people are making this out to be more than it is when there is NO proof into what actually he is suspended for... Until we actually no that it is his second offense or just not living up to his responsibilties this kid will be fine. He is one of our best receivers on the team right now. Like it was said he is our elite deep threat. You can throw gallon and Odoms in there but Gallon is a slot receiver and a returner. I trust that Hoke would not have left a spot for him on the team if it was his 2nd DUI in 4 years. Can't we give him the benefit of doubt until we hear what actually happened?
If he was indeed suspended, then I don't know why we owe him the benefit of the doubt. He obviously did something wrong.
Stonum might be the second most productive Kickoff Returner the program has had since the Howard/Alexander consecutive eras ended. Behind Steve Breaston.
If he is gone, who do we have? Gallon, who was actually good at KOR a year ago, save for two big gaffes: The Penn State muff out of bounds at the 2 and a fumble when plastered by Wisco; Odoms, who has periodically been back there in that spot throughout his three years; Dileo, a lot of folks thought kick returns of some sort would be his ticket to an impact on the field in Ann Arbor, does he get this job fulltime?
Anyone else?
I think we'd be excited about Gallon in this role had he not made key mistakes a year ago. But, it was his first year on the field and with the experience something like the Penn State thing doesnt happen this season. None of the three with experience have shown the explosiveness of Stonum in this role, however.
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Gallon actually looked really good returning kicks (unless he fumbled them).
Boubacar Cissoko also did a pretty good job, but I think he's busy.
I would like to see Dileo and Vincent Smith get a shot back there returning kickoffs.
Well, Hoke said "legal," "serious" and "counseling." So one could conclude that Stonum either committed another offense or messed up with his probation. Bad either way, though I guess a second offense would likely be the worst of the two.
Let's just say, for argument's sake, that it's one or the other. What's a fair punishment? I say it has to be more than the ol' one-game suspension against a cupcake team. That's how hypocrites like Dantonio would handle it. Thoughts? --
I'm not overly concerned about how MSU or OSU handle their in-house problems. I'm worried about how Michigan handles theirs. Just my opinion, which could be wrong, but it seems to me Stonum has had multiple chances and has apparently blown many of them. I would think a multiple-game suspension is probably in order, if for no other reason than for Hoke to demonstrate to the rest of the team how transgressions will be handled. I don't want to be unfairly hard on Stonum because I don't know all the details, but from the outside looking in it appears some strong discipline is in order.
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Unfortunately, Angelique works for the News and not the Freep, so there's no point wondering whether or not the story is even true.
Hope Stonum finally gets the wake-up call this time.
It's Hucklebee deep and Davis close and Leach under center...
I believe that a DUI is a misdemeanor, but two in five years is a felony. Could this have something to do with the harshness of the penalty?
It would be best for both us and him. He obviously doesn't have his life straight right now if it involves the legal system a second time, so the best way for him to do that is get away from football. As a fan, I don't care how good he is, he needs to go. Why keep him around if he's going to be such a headache for the team, especially when he's a senior? Let him go and get his life straight, and let an underclassmen step in atry to fill the whole and develop. I don't want someone who's dumb enough to get into two major incidents with the law when he's going to one of the greatest universities, academically and athletically, representing us.
I commend Hoke for how he's handleing this though. If this was his second violation under Hoke, I'd say no questions he's gone. But the first one was under RR, so Hoke is probably doing his due diligence, seeing what the kids is like, and seeing if he can help him better than RR did.
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Could this have anything to do with the roomate of the player smoking weed and sexual harrasment charge?j/w
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Given the amount that we trash State for their "punishments", especially on repeat offenders, I hope Hoke deals with this like the class act man he was brought in to be. This means that if this is a second DUI for Stonum, the punishment may be dismissal from the team. It would be a serious blow to our WR core, but if Stonum repeatedly puts himself before the team and gets in trouble like this, we're better off without him. We'll find somebody to step up and take his place.
On the legal side, I don't care if it's a felony or a misdemeanor, driving under the influence is one crime that there should be no tolerance for. You're choosing your convenience over everybody else's lives, and the punishment for it should be severe.
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How many of us HAVEN'T done it dozens of times? Not to excuse the kid, but let's not get all high and mighty.
It's Hucklebee deep and Davis close and Leach under center...
Coming from a Pastor, none the less.
Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.
-Johnny Danbury (umichedme.blogspot.com)
You frame this as if you think there is nothing wrong with it. I'm sure 90% of us on here drank underage, but if you think driving drunk is ever okay, then you need to seriously reevaluate the way you think.
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We all make mistakes, but drunk driving is no small matter. I have lost far too many friends to driving drunk, and even though it isn't uncommon people drive drunk, I wish that wasn't the case.
Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.
-Johnny Danbury (umichedme.blogspot.com)


Again, I'd say it is debatable whether Stonum's senior status should matter or not. There was a lot of discussion about Blount's year-long suspension because people said it effectively ended his shot at the pros (and he did in fact go undrafted despite his obvious ability to play at the pro level - though he did get picked up as an UFA), which is a much harsher punishment than the year-long suspension was intended to be.
And it's not about the university "owing" him something. It's about taking into account the unintended consequences of the punishment. If the punishment is meant to end his playing career forever, then that's what it is, but I doubt that would be the intent.
It sounds like I'm arguing that Stonum should be let off easy because he's a senior, but I'm mostly playing devil's advocate. I think his lack of follow-through on his probation is pretty damning, that he doesn't seem to really care or take the situation seriously.
Moralizing aside, I love Stonum, and I really hope this gets resolved in a way that includes both him being punished but still seeing the field (for totally selfish "I just want to see him to play" reasons).
I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.