More from my evil colleague Jack. I apologize for not having killed him yet.
"Cheering For Cheaters" column on OSU-M game
There's this from the fall:
And a small slag in here:
OSU should be glad in a sense that their perfect season is protected by the bowl ban. I suppose I could see them beating ND, but OSU is not one of the best five teams in the country in my estimation. I think they would be smoked by Alabama, for example.
Projections suck, though. Many teams probably would be smoked by Bama, but then many factors go into who wins each game. Bama probably beats A&M 70% of the time but we know what happened there. Until two teams actually play you can never really say for certain who "would" win, because depending on a number of factors, either team "could" win.
'Bama played A&M at home the week after a hard fought road win against LSU. Given 4-5 weeks to prepare and focus, my money is on the Crimson Tide, whoever they meet in their bowl.
The article sickens me. Show a little humbleness and then at the end revert to winning is everything. No matter if its without integrity.
If I grew up watching Bo kick Ohio States ass and then POOF it was all taken away from scandal and threw a dark cloud over the program in terms of moral integrity then I'd hate him. Because I'd never EVER have a conversation about anything we did ever again without CHEATER getting brought up.
The fact that they homered that slimy bastard a year after he was caught and disgraced the program is insane. It fits them well. No matter what anyone says.
If Michigan ever reaches the mountain top again and wins a national title in the future I will take great pride that they did it the right way.
Who else can say that??
I agree, EZMIKEP, and that is exactly why I take Chris Webber to task every time he is mentioned here. Even when things suck at Michigan, we have always been able to say that we cheer for a team that does things right: at least until Webber arrived.
But I would still like to see paying players made legal so Michigan can compete on an even playing field with teams that chronically cheat and refuse to stop, even while on probation.
Honest question: Do you believe that the NCAA changing the rules to provide a monetary stipend for college athletes would prevent rogue teams from providing additional benefits on top of the allowed stipend to their players? I don't.
Nothing would really change except that the players would now get their legally sanctioned pay plus their improper benefits and the teams that are willing to provide those extra benefits would still enjoy a recruiting advantage over the teams that do not.
I need another post. FUCK THEM.
An Ohio State fan is disgusted with Tressel, then sees him being honored, still can't help but like the guy.
This post is being used as an excuse for us to check out this guy's web site.
I guess I wouldn't mind so much if the article didn't feel like amateur hour.
We have like 150 employees.
Haha, you troll. Columbus sucks. Each and every day I survive it, only to get nutchecked harder and harder. And as the painful days wear on, I thank you for nothing; from your article to shitty excuse for a city.
I can't wait until Ohio gets caught again. The NCAA will no longer be able to turn a blind eye to anymore rules infractions. I would be very concerned if I was a Ohio fan with Urban Meyers as coach.
....it might be a while.
This story started out o.k and then went to shit REAL fast. F* you Gene Smith, F* you Jim Tressel, and most importantly, F* the whole state of Ohio and their truly shitty ass fan base. May that dark cloud loom over your shit hole of a university!! Cheaters!!!
Wait wait I'm confused. What does F* mean?
called 'F-star'. It's given out to any OSU student athlete that will give their teacher sports equipment/memorabilia, and transitions an otherwise GPA-counted failing grade into a pass on a pass-fail scale.
Ohio State fans and the Joe Paterno followers at Penn State are in a league of their own. Never have I seen people not "get it" and celebrate the people who knew full well what they were doing (or weren't doing) was wrong.
Let's not compare the two. There's wrong, and then there's rape children for a decade wrong. That's all I'll say on that.
With all due respect, I wish you'd never say anything else on this blog ever again. It would be a better place.
I said with all do respect, so you can't take offense to my comment.
You are right that he can't be mad. It's in the Geneva Convention
I appreciate your insights.
There is exploitation of kids for your own self gratification/aggrandizement/personal benefit and then there is child rape. I kind of hate both of them, but definitely hate the folks covering up the child rapist more. That said, having the stones to walk out on the field along with the same kids you stole the opportunity to play for a national championship from....brass man...classless brass. He should have personally apologized to each of those seniors and he had no business being on that field or near that stadium. Maybe in ten years, ala the Fab 5, but not the year after and not in front of kids that don't realize how bad he screwed them. Shamefully unethical behavior and obvious that instead of repairing a flawed culture around that program history will eventually repeat itself there. At least, PSU took down the statute of Joe Pa.
I think you missed my point. I'm not comparing the wrong doings of Joe Paterno and Jim Tressel. I'm saying that large groups of people in both fan bases believe(d) that Tressel and Paterno did no wrong.
They both did wrong. But the spectrum is so wide that it's like comparing a loiter to a murderer.
He is speaking to the reactions and viewpoints of the respective fan bases.
does a U-turn and expects the reader to respect him. Guess his brain works a little bit different from mine. Tressel on the shoulders of his old team in front of 100,000 adoring fans that just got f'd over by him was one of the most numbingly distasteful moments of mass stupid in any sector of American life that I can remember. When people begin to glory in immorality we've got problems.
And blaming Gene Smith INSTEAD of Tressel? Really? There's a reason you have to be smarter to get into UM.
I understand the Michigan perspective, I really do. But implying the entire 10 year Tressel reign was dirty because of his final year is silliness. It's possible it was dirty, but, and hear me out, it's possible it wasn't too. The NCAA conducted investigations multiple times since 2002 over smoke, and as far as they're concerned, the only thing Ohio State did in that timeframe that was punishable toward the entire institution (not just one player acting out) was Tressel (who was fired) lying about his players eligibility for only the 2010 season. That's it. I know Michigan fans feel better assuming we cheated the entire time and 9-1 is just a fake number but really, ask yourselves, if the NCAA found X happened after an investigation at Oklahoma, would all of you assume Y happened just because? Or do you only think that because we are Ohio State? That doesn't mean Tressel wasn't a cheater for 2010--he was, but it also doesn't mean he cheated from 2001-2009, because the NCAA found no evidence to that point.
and the lying on top of it. People don't become wildly curious about how virtuous you were the rest of your life when you make clear you are a bum. No one gives a crap whether he was OTHERWISE clean or not, especially when he made a big shuck out of his godly virtue. Too many of that kind of lizard around to begin with.
And I don't disagree with that. He's forever a cheater because of one instance. I agree with this comment, but that doesn't mean he cheated before that instant. Is it probable? Sure, where there's a particular behavior, there's probably similar history foreshadowing it, but that's all conjecture.
I know it's fashionable to make that point, but consider a case where a spouse has been caught cheating and insists, "I have never done something like this before, I swear!" If you're the philanderer's wife or husband, do you believe the line? You might, but what if other people stepped forward and said that they, too, had been with your spouse? What if you had found suspicious credit card receipts, emails, texts, phone calls, etc. Would you still believe it? You might not have DNA evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt, but the circumstantial evidence would still make a pretty strong case.
Tressel didn't cover either of those up and both players were punished. You're proving my point...
Sort of this. It's more a knock on the fan base, since the majority of Ohio fans still defend Tressel's involvement in anything...vehemently. Frankly, I'm one to believe that Tressel allowed more wrongdoings behind closed doors more than the contrary, due to his direct lack of accountability and overall surreptitiousness. The fanbase reveres this kind of character, though; referencing the 9-1 record against Michigan as Tressel's primary, notable accolade.
Not seeing the significant ways Ohio could've gained an competitive advantage throughout all those years (even committing "mishaps") is naive/obtuse. It's certainly making the "means" justifiable, and it's bullshit.
Same thing for "THE" OSU, it's not. Because of your undeserving self-sense of entitlement or "achievement", you are considered to be "Ohio". That is all.
It's just the University's name, man. I suppose someone could make the argument that Michigan felt all sorts of entitlement and vanity when they put wings on their helmets, because they were better than just "plain" leather. I mean, I wouldn't say that, because it's insane, but it's all perspective. Calling it "The" is harmless.
Not saying you, in particular, but make sure the majority of OSU fans don't feel the need to inform me every time I say, "OSU" or "Ohio State University", to add "THE". Just like that, too. "THE". And I wouldn't have brought up the helmets, either. Completely different discussion and not too supportable in this case (fans).
The refers to university, so any university of a state (eg. The University of Rhode Island) needs the article. "University of Rhode Island admits 4,000 students every year." The, when placed in front of a university that also includes State in its title is at best cumbersome. "Rhode Island State University admits 4,000 students every year." Or, "The Rhode Island State University admits 4,000 students every year." The first sentence is better in all regards, and the second is both cumbersome and probably incorrect because the definite article implies that Rhode Island State is the only state university in Rhode Island since the article is seperated from what it would normally designate.
Or, your university was named by a Slavic immigrant with imperfect English skills, as that's a common mistake of Slavic language speakers in English because the major Slavic languages don't use articles. Russians will slap articles randomly and to great comedic effect.
good record against the old arch-rival. Sigh.
Looks like I was right in my previous comment. It would definitely be better if you weren't making comments. With all due respect of course.
He offerred an opposing viewpoint on the matter we probably wouldn't otherwise see. I don't see a single problem with either one of his posts, they aren't offensive or meant to stir up issues.
I might be alone here, but I enjoy hearing what fans of other teams have to say. Even the Buckeyes.
what if he is sypying on our board and sharing our info with Bucknuts and the football team.
The NCAA investigated those claims and found nothing to support what he was saying. Should we start sanctioning programs based solely on accusations by disgruntled former players now?
Your two best coaches ever both turned out to be unceremoniously fired for doing despicable things meant to serve only themselves and their team, without any sense of good sportsmanship. Yet here you are diverting on other issues and defending your rancid athletic department.
I remember OJ Simpson doing some great things at USC. How would you and the rest of the nation feel if USC brougth him back and gave him standing ovations for his past contributions to USC?
That is a more extreme example of precisely how pathetic it was to watch you and yours honor a man who intentionally committed serious violations to give Ohio a sporting edge. It wasn't a "mistake" as Smith and Tressel and everyone claims it was. It was premeditated, and done intentionally. The man was dishonorable, lacked character, and ignored the fairness due all other coaches and teams he played against. None of that mattered to him. Yet there he was, being raised on shoulders for wild admiration. Disgusting. The picture perfect example as to what separates a MIchigan Man from that cesspool down South.
I assure you, if LLoyd Carr had cheated as Tressel did, there isn't even the chance he'd ever receive such a reception from UM fans, who would remain embarrassed of him forever, no matter what he ever did for us on the field.
Enjoy your 12-0 season having played no one, including a dysfunctional Michigan team bare of much talent across both sides of the ball, no offensive line and running backs. Good luck in your bowl game. Oops.