LSU's defense was ridiculous, talent wise. Not sure the people voting on this one took notice of the crazy turn around our defense had under Mattison.
Chavis wins Broyles Award, beats Mattison
I agree that what Mattison did was miraculous and he should have won it, but I'm guessing the voters put too much stock in the OU game - probably the most-watched Michigan game - and assumed the defense was only mediocre. Plus they like to blow the SEC
In the two games that everybody saw, our defense wasn't very good at all. It is sort of the flip side of the phenomenon where having a great game against Notre Dame makes you a Heisman frontrunner or earns you the award, a'la Carson Palmer.
Eh that just gives Mattison and the defense more fire for the bowl game and next season to come out the best defense in the country. But even though Mattison didn't win the award, it doesn't mean he didn't deserve it. Either way congrats to Coach Mattison being a finalist.
Of course they did. That's why he was a finalist. Should he of won? Yeah. I don't think Greg is going to lose sleep over it though.
A 50 spot increase in a year is worth being a finalist, a near 100 spot increase in a year is worth winning. Unfortunately it was a year in which we might have seen the best (maybe not best, but certainly electrifying) defense ever. But agreed, he won't lose any sleep over it.
Chris Brown is always mad.... ALWAYS!
I don't think I've ever seen a coordinator do more than Mattison did this year. I still can't believe how much Michigan's defense improved. I never could have hoped for it to be as good as it's been.
So what if LSU has such a dominant defense, they have no less than 9 guys on that defense projected to be drafted into the NFl either this year or next year. Mattison took a bunch of dentists, computer scientists, and pace-maker salesmen, and 2 future NFLers and turned them into a Michigan Defense. Fucking SEC bullshit
Have you ever thought maybe they wouldn't be NFL caliber without Chavis?
there was 3 to 2 advantage in recruiting that enabled Chavis to pick his litter of pups to develop into NFL talent.
never made. I FORKING AGREE!!!
It makes perfect sense if you remember one simple rule: the SEC is better than everyone at everything. Naturally, that applies to the coaching staffs as well.
I'm sorry Chavis has atleast 7 NFL picks on his D. Shit even I could coach them and have them ranked top 10 .
Of course YOU could have, but I'm guessing even GERG could have coached them to a top 10 ranking!
Don't mention that name again...I do not wish to hear it. It is in the past and it should always stay there.
I've gone ahead and stricken that name entirely. It never happened.
Gerg would have toy beavered them to death and they would have finished 50th!
BULLSHIT!!! Also, Alabama has a better defense than LSU, if you're going to award it to the best defense.
bama's schedule was soft when it came to high scoring offenses. their only relevant non-conference opponent was penn state, who's offense was one of the worst in the conference. on the flip side, LSU played Oregon on a neutral site, at WVU, and had an extra game against UGA in the SEC Championship. Numbers don't tell the complete story here.
I don't want to be a homer, but:
I get that LSU had the most insane defense in the country. But look at the talent on that team. You could argue that any decent to good DC could take that talent - a starting 11 almost exclusively made up of 4-5* talent, with mostly upper-classmen in the 2 deap and a 3rd string better than many teams' starters - and have similar results. Obviously Chavis is a good DC - not taking anything away - but to me, the measure of a good coordinator is how well a team plays relative to their talent levels.
Now let's look at Mattison. Our defense was one of the worst in the country last year. In every metric. Scoring. Efficiency. Third down stops. Yardage. It doesn't matter how you look at it, our defense was insanely bad. Mattison took these same players - many of whom are 3* underclassmen - and turned them into a top 20 defense. To me, that is the mark of a great coordinator. Look at JT Floyd. He looked like he couldn't cover a jar with a lid last year - this year, even with the drastic scheme change, he was one of the better B10 corners. Our defense improved more than any defense has ever improved (at least within my 15 year recal of cfb.
So, while I guess awarding this to the guy with the lights out best defense in years is the obvious choice, it shows how little those who decide these types of things really drill down to the nitty gritty.
Some of the absolute best players on LSU, notably Honey Badger, were under-recruited out of high school. Yes, he was a 4-star, but everyone else in the BCS conferences regarded him as too much of a risk to recruit. Chavis brought him in and has harnessed his talents to make him the highest impact corner and returner in the country.
Not to challenge your point, but are you giving them credit for taking a chance on Tyrann Mathieu? I guess it was surprising that more teams in the SEC didn't take a chance on him since they didn't have a cap (yes, I know they have a "cap" now), but I won't give them credit for taking a chance when their bad chances have their scholarships pulled.
Which DC has done more with less? The winner is Mattison.
I am a huge Mattison fan, but you realize that at least PART of the reason that LSU has so many guys headed to the NFL is due to coaching, right? Sure they have a talent advantage, but LSU has one of the all-time great CFB defenses. #OFALLTIME
However, LSU has been running that same system for years. Our players were starting over.
The coaching is not the most significant part at all. Those guys are going to be studs in any competent defense.
Yeah, finishing second to Chavis, especially this year, is like finishing second to Usain Bolt in the 100m sprint. There's no shame in it whatsoever. That LSU defense is truly special. I'm glad to see the award to go to someone who is VERY deserving.
That blows. Still, it doesn't discount the incredible turnaround of this defense orchestrated by Greg Mattison, and at least we recognize it even if the nation as a whole did not. I compliment Chavis, but he had a much better situation facing him at the beginning of the year.
Mattison blew everyone's expectations out of the water - I dare say most of us were thinking "average" in Division I total defense. We were in the top 20.
This sucks. Another reason to have less things in CFB determined by votes.
But I would not say ". . . at least we recognize it even if the nation as a whole did not." He got nominated and finished 2nd in the vote. Clearly it's recognized by the nation.
Apologies for the misspeak. I let the injustice of it get the better of me.
It's OK, Greg Mattison - you're our winner.
Fuck GERG, that is all.
Look at where we are, last year we had GERG, we had one of the worst statistical defenses in Michigan history, we barely made a bowl, and we lost to Ohio.
Fast forward to today, we have a BCS bowl-bound team, we have a top 20 defense, the B10 coach of the year, and have beaten Ohio. Relish that our complaint today is that our DC didn't get the Broyles Award, I relish that we have a DC worth the salt and that Michigan is back on the path to greatness. I hope that we will continue our progression and that Coach Hoke will win the B10.
to a previously morbid ohio offense probably didn't help. It doesn't matter, We all know what Mattison did. He'll just have to go and win it outright next year by ranking in the top ten in all defensive categories.
All post-season awards for players and coaches should be awarded to SEC people at the beginning of each season. We can do away with all the rigamarole over voting and analysis and rational thinking and just make it easy on folks.
Mattison probably deserved it, but I guarantee we care a hell of a lot more than he does.
I'd love to see Mattison take LSU's players, and Chavis take Michigan's players, and have them both play Oregon, Ok State, Stanford, Wisconsin, USC, and Bosie State.
Then we'll see who the DC of the year is. Hint: it won't be Chavis.
Yeah, I'm guessing that Mattison has about 750,000 reasons not to be too worried about not winning this award.
So, why is it great defense, when SEC offenses are down, but lousy offense when big ten defenses look good statistically?
Mattison should have one in a landslide based on what he did with this year's D. I guess the Broyles is similar to the Heisman and most other awards. The most deserving doesn't always win as the person(s) from the best team are given preference.
ESPN and the media talking heads have to pump up the SEC as much as possible before the BCS NC game. Trent Richardson is pretty much a lock to win the Heisman after his big game vs shitty Auburn. Thanks, M. Ball for almost breaking Barry Sanders record but 38 TDs is worth shit. How many yards did Richardson put up vs Kent St? I know, I know, the Heisman is not about stats but about the player Herbstreit is blowing.
doesn't win the award, its not an award.
what a joke
but I'm not surprised that the coach of the best defense of the best team in the country wins the award.
Mattison will get this award in due time.
Remember when Tennessee ran him out with the hiring of Lane Kiffin? And then remember how we ran out Scot Shafer? And then he was on the market but wasn't hired? And then we got GERG?
I do. I has a sad.
Everybody keeps wondering why the LSU defense is so deep. The simple answer is oversigning. If your school got 1.3 recruiting classes for every 1 class other schools got -- and your outstanding coaches could spend a year evaluating the talent before they cut 5-6 of them -- you're going to have a pretty deep team in a few years. It's not magic, it's simple statistical probabilities.
And it's not a small edge, it's a huge edge. If you don't think so, try playing five-card stud sometime in which you get five cards each hand and your opponents get seven. Now, you might get strong cards every now and again, and win the hand. But for the most part, they're going to take your money.
That's essentially the rules SEC teams have been allowed to play by for years. Not saying Chavis did not do a great job, just pointing out that LSU exploited the rules to make it happen. Anytime you see the NCAA pass new rules in the middle of a season, as they did this year -- without even taking it to a convention first -- that tells you they think something is a big problem. And when you see the SEC adopt ANY rules, as they finally did with their soft 'cap' on oversigning, you can bet it is only because of heavy pressure from the NCAA.
It is no coincidence that the four schools that have made the most meteoric rise in the SEC -- LSU, Alabama, Arkansas and South Carolina -- are also the league's champion oversigners. It has subverted the competition and created the illusion that the excellence came solely from hard work, but it's really excellence built on a foundation of fraud.
Mattison architected a complete turnaround and made the defense an asset to the team. He worked wonders...Chavis did a great job with insane talent. I would even argue that if we had his talent on defense we would be in the NC game.
This is unacceptable. Congrats Chavis...I hope Alabama can run up the score on them and are highly ranked when we play them opening day 2012
Obviously Mattison could have won it, and certainly deserving of it. However, to say that Chavis is not is ridiculous. Some of you on this board are discrediting him for having the best defense in the country. It's not his fault he has insane talent, he helped recruit them! He deserves credit for bringing that talent in! It's not just talent that wins games, it's coaching to get the most out of the talent. His schemes and packages, gameplanning and adjustments are also top notch.
All in all, both are deserving and I'd have loved to see Mattison win, but you should not discredit a coach just because he was able to bring in talent.
Chavis is the only other coach out there I could respect winning over Mattison. The job he did his first season at Bama was quite good,and only gotten better.
put Mattison and Chavis together in a mano-a-mano battle to the death match. Mattison wins. Case closed.
Let's talk again in three years when Mattison has his team in place. I feel very comfortable that we will have a top three defense nationally and the best in the Big Ten. Even my MSU fans think he got robbed.
Just cause you have a top defense doesn't mean u can coach. Even Hoke says talent makes u look like a great coach. The key here is that most of the talent is from the south and they aren't leaving to go north anymore.
LSU, 2011: Total 2nd, Scoring 2nd
LSU: 2010: Total 12th, Scoring 11th
Michigan 2011: Total 18th, Scoring 7th
Michigan 2010: Total 110, Scoring 107
If LSU isn't doing it on talent, and it's all coaching, then he didn't really coach them up all that much from last year. Michigan? Aye-yi-yi.
It's not that Chavis isn't deserving. It's that they'll NEVER have somone up for any award who's MORE deserving than Mattison was....because no one else is ever going to improve their unit by 100 in the statistical rankings.