UMAmaizinBlue

September 6th, 2010 at 12:35 AM ^

Tumor mongering gets us nowhere, and nobody likes cancer (sorry, I couldn't resist: just trying to laugh myself through all this garbage).

 

^^^BraveWolverine beat me to it! Well done sir!

OSUMC Wolverine

September 6th, 2010 at 12:51 AM ^

I hope the use of tumor was a typo.  This could upset and or offend any number of people who's lives have been touched by cancer.  Maybe a different wording or method should have been utilized to convey your thoughts.  If we would all quit speaking our minds and take up most of our productive lives worrying about the fact that there might be a person out there we might offend when engaging in conversation, no matter how grossly over-sensitive the person may be, the world would be better for it.  /s

Although cancer is certainly a serious issue, this sitting in judgment of everyone believing Im above all those around me just doesnt work for me.  I guess I'll never make it as a member of the PC police.  I may have just committed the most un-PC act one can, I accused Political Correctness of being a parasite preventing society from addressing real issues by choosing rather to sweep them under the rug.

Sorry Im ranting, bad mood and drank too much this evening.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 6th, 2010 at 8:40 AM ^

The first was simply commenting on her being a low-life for spreading rumors that we all hope are false while playing on the stereotypical male beer guzzling armchair quarterback with a side of Tressel bashing.  It may have been too subtle, but it was all in jest.

This one was commenting on people being too sensitive and self-absorbed and thereby suppressing free speech in our society.  I seriously doubt it was PC to speak against slavery in the deep south prior to the Civil War yet I think we all would have admiration for the people that were willing to do it.  The ones who did likely faced public persecution or worse for their beliefs.  I'm just saying the best coarse of action is not always the course of action that passifies.  It bothers me when people lash out against the speech of others for no other reason than to make themselves or some perceived third party 'feel' better.  Being a productive, accepting and open-minded member of society can make one 'feel' good as well.  I find it interesting the responses one can provoke when creating situations tempting others to sit in judgment--I often wonder if the loudest and most judmental reactions are from those who have the most to hide.  Its a thought.

artds

September 6th, 2010 at 9:52 AM ^

thereby suppressing free speech in our society

the legal concept of free speech limits the government's ability to restrict your right to speak freely.

It does not in any way limit the ability of your fellow citizens to express their opinion that your opinion makes you an asshole.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 6th, 2010 at 8:18 PM ^

If you dont think persecution doesnt supress people feeling free to speak their minds you are not from this planet.  Im sure their have been many persecuted persons, Shiites in Irag, Jewish persons in Nazi Germany, etc, that chose not to speak because of the social climate of the time.  Being at the receiving end of society's rath is not a place for most to feel comfortable to express their views.

Also, I am well aware of the Constitutional implications of free speech.  Although I dont practice Con Law, I am well aware of the guarantees our Constitution provides as it is interpreted and reinterpreted over time.  Great little piece of legislative work.  Made vague enough that it can fit the changing ideals of society for over 200 years.  Not to many works except for some religious texts can claim as much without changes over time. 

I reviewed what I wrote and I am certain I never referred to the US Constitution or the federal government legislating control over free speech, but I am impressed at your attempt to read that into it.  I am sorry if I confused you by using 'people' and you mistook that for 'we, the people...'.  That shows creative thinking skills and worked well to make your point, although incorrect, more believable. Kudos

Rico616

September 6th, 2010 at 2:24 AM ^

I agree. The whole Lebron and Izzo time period when a new source published their rumors as news really did it in for me. However I still scour mgoblog and espn daily for the news. I dont know if its legut but I usually dont believe a story until ESPN runs it because a lot of sports blogs and twitter is just chatter. Often it becomes truth, but just as often its bullshit.

I think Tate leaves eventually though, especially if Denard has a good game against ND.

TrueBlue27

September 6th, 2010 at 1:19 AM ^

I hope this is all just a ploy to confuse Notre Dame. Then on Saturday RichRod deploys both Denard and Tate to shred their D. And by the 3rd quarter Devin gets extensive playing time/experience after we are up by 30pts.

One can hope....GO BLUE!!!

Don

September 6th, 2010 at 1:29 AM ^

TF stays than if he leaves. Which would be unfortunate as hell, but I suspect that the idea of playing in this offense, which requires him to carry the ball into traffic so often, is growing less and less attractive by the day. As the least dynamic runner on the 3-deep, Tate knows that he's low man on RR's totem pole, which was made abundantly clear on Saturday. I hope he stays and plays and matures and gets a UM degree, but my hunch is that he'll leave for another program where the QB has a more "traditional" role and more conventional route to the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised if San Diego State would be in the mix.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 6th, 2010 at 1:46 AM ^

Physically he doesnt fit the more traditional role.  Not saying it would be here, but if the NFL is his goal, going somewhere to showcase versatility in spite of his size would be better.  Lets face it, there are a number of sub 6ft qbs with all the tools that  dont even get a look for pro ball because of their stature.  I am in agreement with you that transferring is likely.  He is looking up from #3 and possibly #4 with another mobile QB with DGs size committed for next year.

UMxWolverines

September 6th, 2010 at 2:01 AM ^

Good luck with that. No matter what he would do at SDSU it wouldn't get him to the NFL pretty much guarunteed. Even NCAA passing record holder Timmy Chang didn't get to the NFL I don't think, and he was in the same conference. I don't want to see you go Tate, as a fan of your team and as a fan of you. It would be a huge mistake.

jericho

September 6th, 2010 at 1:52 AM ^

From a purely selfish point of view, I think RR should be trying hard to get Tate to stay.  Without him we are 1 hit away from having a true freshman as our only QB.  That's scary.

Blue since birth

September 6th, 2010 at 2:18 AM ^

I'm done worrying about it.

I hope he stays...

But I doubt RR burnt Devins redshirt on two plays just to teach Tate a lesson. It appears Tate is the third string QB and I trust RR to make that decision (regardless of how scary I may find it from the outside).  I'm not going to freak out over losing what appears to be our 3rd string QB. I don't think having Devin at back-up is some mind game and odds are pretty good Tate won't be playing anyway.

I wish the Tate the best should he go and thank him for the few good memories I have of last season.

Blue since birth

September 6th, 2010 at 3:00 AM ^

I agree.

It would be nice to have that option and depth.

But it seems clear to me that RR gives the edge to Devin. Tate may as close to starting as any 3rd stringer has ever been. But there's still a good chance he'll never see the field again aside from "garbage time". 

I expect Devin will get alot of time against UMASS, BG, and possibly Indiana if we can get a comfortable lead. I see RR trying to get him ready to step in for Denard.

...I just can't get past burning Devins redshirt if there isn't a strong feeling he's the legit #2.

VictorValiant

September 6th, 2010 at 3:01 AM ^

Denard and his performance has been all over the interweb, including the front page of ESPN, even getting the Heisman frontrunner label by Dennis Dodd at CBS.  I hope whatever has been going on in Tate's head since the game is a lapse in checking his ego or an episode of jealousy that passes quickly.  It's gotta be tough not only being demoted to #3 after being a starter, but the media being all over it, and I don't think it matters if you're 19 or 91 or anywhere in between.

If you've been to his family's QBForce website, he knows what it is to be and how to talk like a leader, a team guy, and a QB.  The way that he handled questions at media day, Troy's comments, and the wingless helmet was a positive sign that he is able to handle adversity that EVERY single Michigan QB has and will go through.  The media attention, competition, getting pushed, and pushing others are what has made Michigan QBs into great professionals (whether it be in the NFL or in the "regular" workplace).

I hope he wakes up tomorrow with a clearer mind and continues to fight for playing time at Michigan.  We throw a lot of Michigan clichés around here, but this is truely a case where "those who stay will be champions."  Tate, stay and fight - for the team, for yourself and for what you say you stand for.

GOBLUE4EVR

September 6th, 2010 at 7:34 AM ^

really think that we could go all day (sunday) without hearing something about a possible tate transfer??? if there were actual rumors out there, we would have known something before sports final edition hit the air waves at 11:30pm... i didn't watch the video, but any show that allows rob parker to spew false info about a player who was at church, shouldn't be trusted as a credible source of information...

U Fer M

September 6th, 2010 at 7:26 AM ^

She has a deep voice, I think that's hot. Oh, it sounded to me they were reporting on a rumor, and it won't be for sure until today? Anyway, don't know if Forcier is big enough, literally, to take a back seat after starting all last year. That would take a level o maturity I'm not sure he has...

aviksaroy

September 6th, 2010 at 7:59 AM ^

Just a thought -- if Bo were running things, how much tolerance would he have for Tate's behavior?  Some of us are making excuses for his immaturity on Saturday--"he's just 19"--and I get it--we don't want to drive away a good player who can help us win.  But seriously people, after a huge and critical win against a good UConn team, Tate was sour and pissy.  That tells you all you need to know about whether he puts himself or the team first.

All we need to learn now is: is he a quitter?  Does he think that he can make it to the next level?  Well if he can't be the first- or second-string QB at Michigan, does he seriously think he's making it to the NFL?  My advice to Tate: gut it out, suck it up, and compete for the job.  Not because we Michigan fans need you, but because if all you know how to do is quit when you face adversity, then you'll never be a champion in anything you do.

My 2c.

Brodie

September 6th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^

It seems like these days Bo is just a name people throw out to justify their opinions. "BO WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST NOT PLAYING OSU FOR A CONFERENCE TITLE!" "BO WOULD NEVER WANT THE GAME MOVED!" "BO WOULD HAVE KICKED TATE OFF THE TEAM!" "BO WOULD HAVE GONE WITH THE BEST PASSER AND LET DENARD ROT ON THE BENCH!" Let's not evoke dead coaches none of us knew personally in these debates. The derpiest part is that, more often than not, the person evoking him is 25 and has no memory of Bo as a coach.

Sven_Da_M

September 6th, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^

Glad I missed it last night and got some sleep.

Three quick points.

1. The point about a Tate transfer before classes start meaning he could play next year makes the most sense to me.

2. Maybe he's known he's third on the depth chart for some time.  I can't believe DG is truly ahead of him, but maybe Tate's been out of sorts since the Spring Game.

3. Maybe RichRod didn't publicly name a starter not because he didn't know it was Denard.  Maybe it's because he had a good idea Tate would bolt.  And he didn't want that sideshow and distraction before the UConn game.  Which is exactly what he got 10 minutes after the game.

I can't begin to know what it must be like for Tate.  I would only offer that if he does leave at this point it tells me he didn't really want to play football at Michigan.  He wanted to be a starting QB at a big school, in this case one with some connection to the family.

That's a big difference, perhaps even the Michigan Difference.

If he leaves, best of luck, thanks, bye-bye, etc.

Michichick

September 6th, 2010 at 9:37 AM ^

In order to transfer, Tate would have to get Rodriguez to sign off on it. He's in a contract with Michigan until his eligibility is up, unless Michigan lets him out. Otherwise, he can't go anywhere and play football.

Considering that, even if Tate is considering transferring, does anyone really think that Rodriguez is just going to let Tate go?  He recruited Tate hard and he wants him here.  Tate may have pissed off his teammates and the coaching staff for his antics over the summer, but word has it that he has been all business since he came to fall camp and has earned back the respect of his teammates and his coaches.

Saturday could have been Rod's way of sending a final message to Tate before letting him back onto the game field.  Remember, workouts are voluntary, but so is playing time.

blueblueblue

September 6th, 2010 at 9:52 AM ^

"does anyone really think that Rodriguez is just going to let Tate go? "

Have you paid attention to RR since he got here? If we know one thing, we know RR will not keep a kid here who does not want to be here. He wants 1) what is best for these kids; and 2) for everyone here to want to be here. In no way will RR keep Tate here if he doesn't want to be here. Honestly, this take on our coach, that he will trap a kid here, is borderline offensive, way over the line ignorant. 

And on a side note, whose college wears yellow and blue? 

Blue Bunny Friday

September 6th, 2010 at 10:00 AM ^

Finish up with verse three: "Here's to the college whose colors we wear, here's to the hearts that are true! Here's to the maid of the golden hair, and eyes that are brimming with blue! Garlands of bluebells and maize intertwine, and hearts that are true and voices combine. Hail! Hail to the college whose colors we wear, hurrah for the yellow and blue!"