I heard Van Bergen was released, any chance we pick him up? PLEASE??
Changes in the Lineup Next Week?
Countess probably won't be playing.
Any word from Ft. Schembechler on the extent of his injury?
I would like to see more of James Ross. He had the penalty on Special Teams but I like his instincts. He reminds me of Obi or Jon Beason.
...cause I know you're not talking about Obi Ezeh.
During his RS freshman and sophomore seasons, he was pretty damn good
The talent elsewhere on that defense made him appear that way...
Can we please stop the Obi Ezeh bashing? By all accounts he was a really good kid, he stuck with us until the end of his eligibility (despite heavy criticism and loads of other guys leaving), and he hasn't even been on the roster for two years.
No one is doubting the man's character...an A+ guy and a WONDERFUL representative of Michigan and Michigan Football.
But just because he's a good person and represented Michigan well doesn't mean he was good on the field or we want our current LBs to asipre to play like him.
I think he gets the John Navarre treatment from Michigan fans. He was a low-rated, lightly recruited kid (chose Michigan over Indiana, EMU, and WMU) who switched positions after high school and never was supposed to play nearly as much as he did. He dealt with tons of very harsh criticism - much of it from this site - but always dealt with it gracefully. He never got into trouble (as I recall), spent five years here, and made our LB corps better than it would have been without him.
Even if some of the criticism about his play is fair, it just doesn't seem tasteful to tear up one of our own like that, especially a couple of years after he graduated. One guy saying that Ross reminded him of Ezeh doesn't mean that "we want our current LBs to asipre to play like him" or that we need a half-dozen variations of "Obi Ezeh sucks" comments.
But I still don't want any LB aspiring to be Obi Ezeh or an "meh" to "solid" (depending on your opinion) player. Why wouldn't you want him to be one of the best in school history? That's my problem.
That's like saying, I want Blake Countess to be Grant Mason, Todd Howard or Morgan Trent. Why wouldn't you say I want Blake Countesss to be Charles Woodson, Marlin Jackson, Ty Law or Leon Hall?
If Gerg wasn't the coach.
Please tell me u didn't just reference Ezeh?
I hope you mean Obi Wan Kenobi...
I'm guessing you're like 14....
I don't think this game is really indicative of much of anything due to the sheer physical superiority of Bama.
We're two years away from competing with that beast being Bama
You should change your handle to Dr. Spock as your comment was one of the few rational, logical ones posted in the last 14 hours.
unless you're talking about rational, logical comments related to child-rearing, which whatever... who knows after last night's mess of a game.
Norlfeet went HAM
He's every bit as fast as advertised. He'll make Air Force and UMass look very, very bad in the coming weeks, and do real damage even against the real meat of the schedule.
Helps field position alot and hopefully he can make a sproles impact on the offense
Let's hope we only see Norfleet returning kicks in a very limited manner (i.e. like opening kickoff and that's it).
Everyone on defense looked awful. The other team scored 34 points and controlled the entire game.
but it was evident after the first series we were grossly overmatched... so get over it and be a little more rational next time - we are two years away from Hoke's recruits allowing us to compete in a game like this, plain and simple.
Linebackers are soooo dependent on the DL. Our DL was getting pushed off the ball, and not so much as getting an arm off of the block, so that horse RB had 5 yards of momentum when he was reaching our second level. Had our DL not been so overmatched, it would have been our LBs playing fast and downhill as opposed to their RB.
You wrong, our dl was doing their jobs by penetrating their gaps, it was our linebackers hitting the wrong gaps falling for the counters and playaction passes
I've tried this discussion before.
People get unhappy.
I don't know why people get mad at Magnus. His opinions are valid and provide pause for those of us that get too high on the team. Taking the opposite stance isn't a crime; acting like a douche-nozzle while doing so is what trips up some people.
This is one of the nicest backhanded compliments I've ever received.
that you were the douche-nozzle. I was implying that others get negged for expressing their opinion if THEY are being douchey. Pardon the confusion, I was in the midst of a 13 hour drive from Dallas to Nashville.
I think he deserves some time, he played pretty well and that was against the defending national champions.
I'm sure we'll see more Pipkins, Bolden, and Ross on defense. All three showed promise last night.
I'm not convinced Demens should be replaced. He got man handled but it was you know 'bama
So lets panic and replace our two year starter with a freshman! WOOOO I love Sunday morning coaching!
crack blocks are easy regardless of position, size, etc. you have the benefit of surprise.
You are completely wrong if you are talking about the play where he is coming across the field to make a tackle and a reciever comes back and takes his head off. I hate to say it but anyone could take a linebacker out when he is running at full speed and has an angle and the element of never being seen till its too late. Demens should not lose his job over that play
...we just need to play better.
You can't go off of one game no matter what game it is. If we played Concordia Community College and Russell Bellomy threw for 500 yards and 8 TDs it doesn't mean he should start the next game over Denard.
We need a bigger sample size, we need a wider range of opponents.
Let's wait until the non-conference schedule is over before we make any significant changes.
I'm sure practice this week will determine if anyone will be moved into a starter's role. I think we'll have to replace Countess for sure, not sure about Lewan and Moore, but more than likely we'll see a lot of the other TE's. It would be nice to get Ramon Taylor more reps at CB and Gardner more reps at WR at this point.
the LB and DL issues that aren't injuries will be determined by who practices better this week. I would expect 1 or 2 switches for AF.
This. We lost to Bama. What does this mean? We're not a national contender, and not much more.
These are the guys the coaches feel are the best players we have, and one game against Alabama will not change that much, if at all. I'm down with us rotating at these positions as guys figure things out, but I bet against other competition Demens and Morgan will look good.
I also thought QW played well last night, so he hold hold not get pulled.
somebody needs a nap
Was Demens hurt? I was surprised to see Ross playing MIKE, (if that is indeed what he was playing), also surprised to see Ross get snaps over Bolden.
I too think it won't be long before Pipkins is in ahead of Washington, though I'm not sure it means Pipkins will be starting, especially against Air Force and UMass
If Countess is out for an extended period; possible Terry Richardson could start at some point, much like Countess last season. I was surprised to see Richardson out there against Alabama. I think it's a pretty clear sign they like him alot
Morgan moved to MIKE instead of Bolden coming in...
FWIW, WILL and MIKE are very similar in this defense. Just like SLB and WDE...also SDE/DT.
Most important line up change: AF in for BAMA
You win the Internets today IMO.
It was a good challenge and benchmark. Given what we've seen from these guys we know they're fighters and will continue to play hard.
One game does not a season make.
but I don't think his, mad-but-momentum losing jump cuts would have been at all effective. There would have been another Alabama defender there to tackle him.
Denard's and Fitz's effectiveness is proportional to the square of the space they operate in. When there is none, they aren't that effective.
Yeah regardless of what was going on during the game, I knew when Norfleet touched the ball he was trying very hard to bust it open. That guy is fearless! DG has a bright future as a receiver. I was impressed with what he did last night in his first game as a receiver against that D. Other than that I took no positives from our performance.
DG is clearly raw, but he was also targeted a ton, and usually for good reason. With a little more experience he'll be a threat.
Uh ok let's see. He's 6-4 ish probably 210 lbs. and a freak of an athlete. It was his first time playing wr in a live game. And don't act like he was playing against some powder puffs. That D. Millner is pretty damn good and a likely AA. Was he perfect with route running or body positioning? No, but who really expected that? There were also times where Denard just couldn't hit him. If you somehow can't see the upside now, just keep watching.
Yea and that's my point. He's not complete yet by far but by the time we get into the B10 schedule I think we'll see him turn into that guy. We also have to look at chemistry and timing as that didn't look to good between Denard & receivers.I understand what your saying about Gallon and love how he goes to get the ball at 5'8'' , but he is only 5'8''. Hopefully Roundtree will come to life soon. If not its time to see what the young guys have.
as a bright spot. He looked more like his old self last night with no horrible punts thrown in.
of work to do as a WR. Ran really poor routes. But yes he could be a beast in time.
They should pull denard after the first quarter (assuming a decent lead) so he can heal. He is going to be sore for a while, and it seems that bellomy is next in the hole. He needs the experience. There is no telling how much garbage time he will get this season with our schedule.
Remember remember the first of september.
norfleet was such a beast, i would love to see him in a sproles role. He needs to get in our offense
love your profile pic
what he will do against human competition. I'm all Bart Scott about this kid.
No one looked particularly good, but I was keying on Morgan most of the second half, and he was getting blown out pretty much every single play.
I'll be interested in seeing how well we run next week and whether a change at guard is due.
Masochists can watch the replay on ESPNU right now.
I hate to say it already but demens and Morgan have gotten worse. Demens is just too slow and horrible at blitzing. Morgan isn't talented enough vs good teams going back too last year. Put somebody in for Floyd I've never seen anybody so scared too tackle. Watch the tape he hides behind blockers so he doesn't get trucked. Build for the future and they better off for this year anyway.
yea who would we replace floyd with? Avery? he got burned so many times! Floyd is solid and here to stay
I thought Mealer played a solid game at center. Gardner is going to be a beast at WR... Round tree still has not shown much for the last year 1/2.
Than fitz. It's ONE GAME. Against bama. Means nothing for the rest of the season as to how our players perform against non-NFL teams. I would roll with the same unit and not overreact to one game.
I agree, but the talent is lacking at certain positions, and I maintain that once freshmen like Ross get acclimated to the speed of the college game we'll see a change or two. Not wholesale changes, but changes nonetheless.
it is for ending sentences with dangling prepositions.
Relax, people. It wasn't so much that our players played especially poorly. They were just facing a vastly more talented, strong, and experienced team. Nobody on the rest of our schedule is on Bama's level.
Good news: Desmond Howard is back and playing for Michigan.
Bad news: He's playing quarterback.
This is no joke. Denard Robinson is a great person and a gifted athlete. He is miscast at quarterback.
Agree with you. I can understand the coaches being hesitant on putting him at another position mainly because he is the one person on the team that has proven to be a play maker on any given play. I'd love to see a set where Bellomy comes in at qb Gardner at wr and denard in the back field. Maybe set up a screen pass and get him in the open field where he can work his magic. Last night was the closest thing to a true pro style offense we have ran and it blew up in our face.
If you think Bellomy is going to come in and be instantly better than senior Denard at QB, you're crazy. Compared to how other QB's have performed against Alabama's defense recently, he actually wasn't too bad. Denard will most definitely be our best asset under center, and has a much stronger arm than Bellomy.
In the bowl game vs Bama, Kirk Cousins had a qb rating of 100, Denard's was 104 last night. Cousins had minus 56 yards rushing, Denard had 27 yards and a touchdown.
Granted they didn't play against the exact same team, but I'd have to argue that they were bigger/faster/stronger than anything we have in the B10. We cant give up on Denard.
i think we just leave the lineup alone except for Washington, i say we start Pipkins, other than that it was the first game and we weren't ready for a team like that
Look at the tape I understand we ain't got much but Floyd is another Marcus curry. I understand he's small but he's got better instincts and he ain't scared. Ill admit I'm wrong if he's worse but I tape every game and look for cowards on tackles.
I wish we had more upperclassman but we don't. Rich rod killed us his last 2 classes. Talents coming but I hate losing now. Just beat our rivals and possibly contend for a bog ten title and that's good enough this year.
QB? Denard is a zone read QB only. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but if he isn't running for 100 + yards then Michigan isn't winning very often. Michigan won't beat great teams with Denard as the QB. He hasn't beat a great team yet at Michigan. He was smoked by the tressel lead OSU teams and beating badly by Sparty. Great kid and human, but not much of a QB. I could care less if hes the all time rushing QB. What's his record as a starter? Mediocre!
Nebraska annihilation and an 11-2 season with a bcs bowl victory in the first year under a new coach is mediocre? Please, set the standard higher. Will you be saying the same thing if we lose one more game this year, win the Big Ten title, and make the Rose Bowl?
Anytime we play a good team Denard plays awful.
Although I am not going to sit here an argue with you, I think you're taking a rather short sighted view, or one that is overly critical of Denard. Look at the best "read option" teams in the nation and you'll see something they all have in common: 1) they have excellent OL's; 2) they have a equally dangerous RB; and 3) they have outside play makers.
Did you notice how much better Denard's game got when Fitz emerged as a legit threat that opposing DC's had to account for? I don't think that Fitz would have made too much of difference last night because Bama was bascially giving Denard the give read then collapsing on the give -- they're that good and well coached. But, it couldn't have really been any worse as he might have popped a couple.
Last night while watching Bama's OL grind our DL into dust, I couldn't help but harken back to the days of old when Michigan's OL would do the same thing. Michigan has one elite OLineman, not 5 like Bama. Everything starts up front, on both sides of the ball. I love watching BTN and seeing those old game where Michigan's OL looked like giants and opened gaping holes of A Train, Biakabatuka, Perry, Hart, et. al. We've not had that for a long time. Unfortunately, RR didn't give us a deep stable of top OLinemen to rely upon. They coming, but it's going to take some time. No matter how fast and elusive Denard is, he cannot run effectively when there aren't holes, and they're aren't going to be holes if the OL cannot get into the second level, simple as that.
When Michigan plays a good team, they beat us in the trenches. When you cannot win the trenches, you lose the game typically. It's not Denard.
So what have you seen from Bellomy or Gardner that makes you want to play Denard elsewhere? Even if you think Denard can't play QB, the other issue is that you would need a replacement. If you go with Bellomy, then we are back to a freshman QB that might be more accurate, but definitely doesn't have the playmaking ability with his feet or nearly as strong of an arm. If you go with Gardner, then you lose our biggest outside WR threat. Just face it, Denard is our QB, and gives us our best option to win football games this year.
Denard doesn't have a great career record are things completely out of his control. He should have been redshirted in 2009, but with the QB scholarship situation he was forced into action. In 2010 he finished sixth in Heisman voting, and the offense certainly didn't lose five games. In 2011 he won eleven games, and we're one game into the 2012 season.
Citing Denard as any type of reason Michigan has struggled the past few years is pretty ridiculous, IMO.
Schofield looks absolutely horrible, but who else plays there?
Schofield isn't horrible. He was facing possibly the best 3-4 in college football and they were just worn down. I think it's easy to say that the Michigan LOS was in for a long night. As a player has the size and technique to play well in the big 10 and compete for all conference honors.
Not denying the talent he was facing, but I just watched the whole game again, I know I'm a masochist, and every bad play was due to him
I think he is a playmaker with speed. I know Avery will get the reps with Blake out but I would like to see if Taylor can step up and compete for that position. I saw him try and strip the ball on a tackle last night that makes me think with more chances he could help the D make some turnovers.
At this point we need young guys stepping up and taking on bigger roles the same way blake did last year.
Hopefully not at left tackle or corner back.
I'm sick of every player criticism being Negged followed by a reply of 'well it was bama...'
If Borges isn't 100% committed to zone read then I'd replace Denard. He's essentially worthless as qb if he isn't a running threat.
To be honest, I didn't see too many things during that game that make me want people replaced. I saw some good things out of our team and I saw a lot of guys that just got out-played due to size and experience. What I do want to see is Countess back and healthy, Lewan back and healthy, ect ect...
It'll be the same lineup I bet. Save for Countess. He shouldn't be needed the next couple of games unless his injury isn't significant. Also, Toussant will be the starter at RB.
I'm hoping they rest Countess these next two weeks and have him ready to go for ND..Maybe the same for Lewan as well..
Whoever has the best week of practice should play. Hopefully the lineup changes won't be at LT or CB, and if they are, it's only a short fill in.
To everyone saying so-and-so sucked, bench him: there are some good reasons why you don't schedule your toughest opponent in Week 1. No team is as sharp as it will or could be, except maybe teams like Alabama this far into Saban's tenure. This kind of scheduling for a team like Michigan is almost sure to expose every weakness. Surprisingly, i guess, it did just that.
So maybe the change should be in the guy scheduling games for what appears to be mostly the opportunity to show another special uniform and get on prime time TV.