The players seem to like it and are having fun/dancing on the field when it comes on so I'm good with it for that reason alone.
Changed my mind - I'm all in for the RAWK music
no on all counts.
no to rap, no to shitty rock music.
no to piped in music when we have a band.
no to the loss of our musical tradition.
no to the loss of a college atmosphere.
even more depressing than this photo was the fact that people were actually jingling their keys at the bar.
So you are basing your opinion from the bar? Good to know.
Considering I graduated and left Michigan, then yes.
There was a point late in the game where the camera panned to a guy wearing an M hat. Any guesses what he was doing?
YES! The CMU fan in the Michigan hat doing the effing key play made me laugh and cry all at once.
Just so you know, the college atmosphere includes party music. If you don't believe me go to the corner of Hoover and State before the game.
I'm well aware. I lived at 927.
it's attempting to arm wrestle Tacopants. Add foolish to sullying.
I'm not sure how often you get out to college football games anywhere but Michigan, but college atmosphere these days == piped in music at the stadium.
Unfortunately, I can't find any videos old enough, but this cool tradition at your local university was born from piped in music:
Welcome home would be FANTASTIC. I wasn't too keen on the music either, but I have heard the same thing about when Eminem came on and the student section was definitely into Journey for some reason (I think they only know it from Rock Band). I have since at least opened my mind to it.
Students were into it because of the "Born and raised in South Detroit" part, similar to how they play that part at Red Wings games.
because it's just distant enough to be retro-cool, and there's just enough irony in the synthesizers that everyone can be way into the band without being forced to remember Steve Perry's shitty hair. It's nostalgia without any regret, the provenance of college kids.
That and it was on Laguna Beach, back when half the student body was in their formative years.
I think that song was played at every college party I went to.... but I am constantly baffled that anyone thinks they're any good
This video is all you need to know about Journey's immeasurably vast distance from any rational definition of "cool"
No respect warranted, whatsoever, for anything they've done, ever.
The Eminem song would have been good if they would have started playing it at the right spot. That song has like a 45 second intro and neither time that they played it did it get anywhere near the part where the song actually starts.
Overall though I agree, not as bad as expected and it did also help keep the crowd into it. Seven Nation Army is good for that.
Please no more Seven Nation Army. They play it at the 'shoe down south. 'shudder'
Wasnt' bad and I come from the no rawk music background. I think Michigan needs to find a song or two that are unique, not over played in similar situations in other stadiums and make it its signature. Not sure Eminem is the look we are going for even though i like that he is from Detroit. I do not have the answer but seems like someone in the AD getting paid a lot of money can do the research and find the right song to start a new tradition.
Not the most upbeat song but with the michigan ties Main St. by Bob Seger would seem to fit the bill. I have read he wrote that about MainSt. in Ann Arbor as he grew up there. Plus, it helps the stadium is at 1201 S. Main.
I can think of no worse "POWER UP" song than Main Street. About the street the stadium is on or not.
as a long-time season ticket holder, i was skeptical at first. but i thought "seven nation army" really helped getting the crowd into it in the 4Q. the tight game helped too. i think this could add to an intimidation factor.
I am generally against piped in music at colleges, as it makes the stadium experience more generic (I unofficially counted five schools that used Seven Nation Army, one of my personal favorite songs, this Saturday alone, and I missed all the 3:30pm games b/c I was the stadium). But used judiciously and in at least a somewhat unique way from other schools, it can make the crowd more into it during the interminable TV timeouts and the players seems to like certain songs (e.g., Lose Yourself and Seven Nation Army), so I'll live.
One thing has bothered me: I've seen/heard numerous folks on WTKA/mgoblog, "That was the loudest crowd ever!" and pair that right along with the fact piped in music is now played. I agree the crowd was really loud, but wouldn't you say the fact that it was (in my opinion, and I don't think this a stretch) one of the 2-3 most exciting games at U of M in the last 25+ years had by far the most to do with it? Let's see how jacked everyone gets during the Delaware State game during "Welcome to the Jungles" to see how much of a difference the music makes.
I've pretty much been to every home game for the past 6 years and I think that bar none that was the loudest that I've ever seen in the big house.
Could part of it be:
1. Rawk Music at opportune times (hell yes especially after demoralizing parts of a game)
2. The construction
Regarding WMU, you can't really be saying (besides this Saturday's ND) that was the loudest you've ever heard the Big House?! Even louder than the Manningham game against PSU, the 3 OT game against MSU, etc?
I've been going to games since the early 90's and have been to plenty of games where it was louder than WMU (and plenty where it was quieter). Howeva:
- I believe the construction makes a difference. I don't remember the PA Announcer "bouncing back/echoing" like it does now, and assume crowd noise similarly is now more contained. That makes it generally louder, rock music or no.
- I agree that many people at WMU definitely sang along to Sweet Caroline (shudder) and got more "into it" -- I also remember the first few times the band played "Livin' on a Prayer" a few years ago and people went similarly nuts for that. I noticed when it was played on Sat. by the band, people didn't respond as loudly, so maybe people are now a bit over it? I don't know.
because I heard it at least 3-4 times at Hoover and State before the game and they were into it. My concern is the song selection. Personally, I don't want to hear the same songs every week ie AC/DC, Welcome to the Jungle, Don't stop Believing. Each week needs to be unique otherwise it will get stale real quick.
It will take some creativity for this to really work, and when you're programming a set list for 100,000+, you're not going to go to far outside a comfort zone, no matter how cool/good/appropriate a song is (I mean, as much as I think a song like "Waiting Room" from Fugazi gets you pumped up, album sales show most people disagree, so no way should they play it).
Thus, I worry it will get stale and generic (except for perhaps 1 or 2 songs) real quick, detracting in a small, but real way, from the uniqueness of the U of M experience.
I recall reading that Bill Martin personally pre-screens all of the rawk music, and has thus far only approved ~20 songs. As much as I would love it, I don't see Bill Martin devoting too much time to sifting through RR's i-pod.
Hopefully now that the music has received some positive reaction from the crowd/players, he will be comfortable delegating his song selection duties (I'm sure the DJ from Touchdowns could use some money for warm blankets this fall).
EDIT: I see below that the song selector has been located. Kudos, tell him to read our blog!
Piped in music brought some energy back into the crowd, especially when the momentum was on ND's side and it seemed like ND was outplaying us (this was several occasions throughout the game). Without the piped in music, the crowd wouldn't have been as loud on some of those third downs when we were on defense and didn't seem to have momentum. Without the music, I bet the players wouldn't have been as energized, either.
To the poster way above who said that the piped in music is destroying the college atmosphere: what, exactly, do you consider a college atmosphere? No offense, but this is the 21st century and while I do admit I'd love for Michigan football to remain completely unique, we still are even with piped in music.
We're #1 in wins all-time, #1 in win percentage, most championships, and the list goes on. And the band still plays Temptation on fourth down, The Victors after touchdowns, Iron Man, etc.
Piped in music is a small sacrifice for an enormous gain.
In fact, considering how loud the stadium's been the last two games, it seems almost safe to say we're having a fan renaissance in the sense that the Big House is/could be becoming a much harder place to play than it used to be.
You're attributing the increased crowd noise way too much to the piped in music as opposed to everyone being thrilled to cheer for a winning team and the new construction. Also, whatever increase in crowd noise the music may have been responsible for, there's no guarantee that the effect won't wear off after we've heard "Welcome to the Jungle" for the 10 times. I think the novelty definitely played a role. I don't want to be stuck with piped in music in the future and have it not be making a difference.
I actually agree with you somewhat here, I really do think they should use it in careful moderation and not get carried away. If it's used sparingly enough, it shouldn't become useless.
As to your first point:
Were you there? There absolutely seems to be a correlation between the music and the crowds' intensity, at least with certain songs (there've been a couple flops).
I don't have an answer to your second point. Hopefully the AD will keep it minimal, and not go cheezy with it. It could work.
Edit: This was in response to junglechop, the threading seems to be messed up here.
Yes, I was there and yes I recognize the music did pump up the crowd. I think the crowd was significantly louder than in previous years, though, even when music wasn't played.
who is responsible for putting the music together. After the game while everyone was getting ready to go out he asked all of us that were crashing there for our honest assessments. He also gave us some feedback on what he thought. Some of what I can recall is below:
- I don't know what planet you're living on but the Seven Nation Army clip was awesome. Everyone loved it; everyone was involved and from rewatching the game it sounded great on TV. He is definitely going to keep that in the lineup.
-The Eminem clip just wasn't edited right. Too long of an intro, will be fixed for future use.
-We all told him Sweet Caroline needed to go. We were stern, I think he will oblige.
-We also all agreed that the music needs to be played at a level which provokes the crowd to drown out the music. We all really liked the subtle music clips which only made the crowd louder. We agreed that what you don't want is the music so loud that the crowd cheering is moot.
I'm not a big fan of the piped in music, but if we're gonna have it, I like the idea of the White Stripes. They're a detroit band and aren't annoyingly over the top. They play simple riffs that are easy to sing along to.
That being said, I don't endorse ALL Detroit artists. For instance, PLEASE don't let him EVER play Kid Rock.
That is all.
He's responsible for playing it, or does he have selection power (with or with out guidelines)?
Either way he will be one of the most sought after people in Ann Arbor.
Of course if you ever wanted to make his life miserable post his name, phone and e-mail address here.
he comes up with a list of songs/clips that must be approved by Bill Martin every week. As far as when/which songs are played at a given time, I am not positive so I will definitely ask.
This could the biggest case of "with great power comes great responsibility" since Spiderman. May he choose well and all the pitfalls in his way.
I thought a good example of the music starting it and then the crowd taking over was "Welcome to the Jungle" I heard the first few notes and then the crowd was just going nuts.
that was exactly our sentiment. We liked that the music triggered further noise, yet at the same time didn't overshadow the crowd.
Penn State already abuses/overuses Seven Nation Army. If not this year, then in past years. I think I remember their crowd whooping along with it during the 2006 night game, as well as a basketball upset last year.
Surprisingly, I think I can get on board with the RAWK music. I realize it's hard to do, but it would help to find something that hasn't already been abused by another school/team. Unless, of course, you don't mind being like everyone else (see: AC/DC, Journey, Guns n' Roses).
Let him know that I WANNA ROCK! ROCK!
is made of nightmares and snails, and puppy-dog tails.
It gives me the heebie-jeebies.
That Coheed and Cambria song was AWFUL--precisely the kind of RAWK music I hope we can avoid at all costs.
I'm not a fan of "Detroit City" either.
There are gun shots in Detroit City (the actual city and the song), not sure Bill Martin wants to promote or acknowledge violence.
They played T.I.P. at the spring game.
you *don't* like the use of pinch harmonics in every measure?
Yeah, I was adamantly opposed to piping in music when it was first talked about. But being at the game this Saturday really turned me around on it. The music did a wonderful job of getting the crowd to make noise. Obviously in an ideal world we'd make that much noise without piping in music, but anything that makes us louder is okay by me.
We need music that is loud, heavy, and intimidating. I was thinking along the lines of Iron Maiden or Pantera.
This is why I've got a problem w/ the piped in music. It hasn't been terrible so far but it's a slippery slope. Put the responsibility in the wrong hands and we could be listening to some awful stuff.
Andrew W.K. I think needs to be played. He went to U of M, his dad is (was?) a professor is here and his songs are simple and pumps people up.
Andrew W.K. = horrible.
Andrew WK's dad is a prof in the law school here. WK himself went to high school in Ann Arbor (proud community high alum) but I don't think he attended UM.
please for the love of Jeebus. "Seven Nation Army" is one of the most overused songs at college football games, namely Penn State games. The students sound ridiculous and they do it after every freaking play almost (just like the ND band played the Imperial March about every other play during Saturday's game).
It will be a lot better in 2010 when they have the new sound system in the stadium, and for the time being I am in favor of the RAWK music, they just need to tweak when they play it and what songs. Especially since some parts of the stadium can't ever hear the Michigan band because of the acoustics (moreso when an opposing band is there).
Raw crowd noise will always be more intimidating than the stupid key jingling, so if the RAWK helps the noise, then rawk on...I think at least two of ND's delay of game penalties were due to crowd noise (the others being due to the fact that Jimmy Clausen can't count).
just like how usc played their fight song after every 1 yard gain.
its annoying. leave it in state college.
I emailed Mark Riordan a couple suggestions:
1.Madhouse- Anthrax (especially this one because they called the big house a madhouse on sportscenter)
2. Enter Sandman- Metallica
3. Cowboys from Hell- Pantera
4. Crush Em- Megadeth
5. Kickstart My Heart- Motley Crue
what do you guys think?
By the way, no to coheed and cambria (singer's voice is annoying as hell), and no to rap crap. The only rap I listen to is Eminem and they already play that.
Kickstart My Heart is an awesome pump up song (and I recommended it to the Maize Rage for hoops this year), but it's not a big sing-along song.
That said, I'd love to see it get a shot.
have awful taste in music.
they played guns n roses and ac/dc and you liked it.... all the songs I just mentioned are similar to that!
from songs everyone knows. those aren't my personal listening habits.
is they're never going to find a playlist to satisfy everyone. maybe they'll never find a playlist that satisfies even half the student section, but the crowd responded and so did the football players. it's been significantly louder in there than it ever has been in my 4 years of being there and while you can't say 100% of that is due to the music (i hear the football team is sweet again too), you also can't say the music hasn't boosted the noise in the stadium which we so love to complain about
Playing Welcome to the Jungle is never wrong.
The song must have been the result of a scientific experiment.
That sequence of notes coming from Slash's Les Paul, run through a delay pedal and a Marshall amp was carefully engineered to trigger the body's production of adrenaline.
No one is immune.
Just wait til you hear it 8 times a game.
#1A The Student Section
#1B The Players
Everyone else has to come second. Music that is not mainstream is not going to work. As much as I would love to hear some of my favorite tunes, I know that most Motley Crue tunes won't go over well in the stadium. And the ones that could, would get cut by Bill Martin. "Girls, Girls, Girls" for example. So we are stuck with tunes that in most cases are used at other stadiums.
But we can make it our own. We can lean the play list heavily towards music with Michigan and/or Detroit ties. Eminem, White Stripes, KISS, Kid Rock, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and others.
The players come FIRST! The students aren't busting their asses all week long so they can win a game.
IF the players truly come first, and IF the music selection at Washington Redskins games can be considered representative of other pro teams/stadiums, then you would expect to hear a LOT more hip hop. Soulja Boy, Unk (Walk It Out), and other "hot" hip hop/R&B songs of the day were heard the last time I was at FedEx Field, and the players were bobbing their heads and strutting around during warm-ups.
While this selection/genre may also appeal to the players on your average college team, I suspect a large majority of the fans (I'll reserve further comment on which ones) would not enjoy or endorse this selection. So I must respecfully disagree that the players are the primary concern when the RAWK is selected. In fact, I would take it a step further and assert that very few college-age players (regardless of demographic) grew up with many of the songs that have recently appeared on the playlist (AC/DC Thunderstruck - 1991; GNR Welcome to the Jungle - 1988; Neil Diamond Sweet Caroline - might even predate ME).
You know who pays the bills don't you?
There are plenty of people on that waiting list who could give a shit if they pipe in music. I doubt they're worried about putting off fans.
That wasn't what I was implying. I just take exception to the idea that the student section should come first and the rest of the crowd should be an afterthought. Sure, the student section is the loudest part of the stadium and that contributes to the product on the field, but the support of the alums sustains the program and contributes at least as much to our success. Let's keep everyone happy.
Maybe the Music School could put together a few dramatic tunes that would appeal to both young and old.
The reason why the student section should come first is not a matter of who is paying the bills, but rather an effort to generate as much excitement as possible in the stadium. Trust me, I am one of those long removed from paying tuition and am currently helping to pay the bills. If the music goes over like a fart in church with the student section, it is going to bomb with the rest of the stadium. If the students are into it, then the rest of the stadium will be into it.
I completely agree that the alums contribute greatly the to financial success of the program, but we can also agree that many alums in the stadium have contributed to Michigan Stadium being somewhat quiet over the years as well.
I take exception to your idea that the majority of the people in the stadium on gameday are alumni. It's much closer to 50/50, and I'd be willing to bet most non alums could give a shit about the band.
You're taking exception to an idea that was never articulated.
Sure, the student section is the loudest part of the stadium and that contributes to the product on the field, but the support of the alums sustains the program
That quote is referring to the financial support alums provide that students can't. This comes in buying tickets and donations. The stadium wouldn't be as loud as it is if the students didn't cheer like they do and alumni didn't shell out the money for the renovations.
I don't know how you got "50+ percent of those in attendance are alumni" from that.
Saying "Alums are supporting the program financially" is tantamount to saying "non-alums are not supporting the program financially", which is not true. Non-alums fill a large portion of the seats on Saturdays, they buy the vast majority of Michigan related merchandise and, yes, they even make donations to the University. And I'm willing to bet the majority of them don't care about the "musical tradition" of Michigan football.
Those two aren't equivalent at all. It's not like I argued that alums were a sufficient condition for our the type of product we want, only that they are necessary. Of course the support of non-alums is also necessary, without them we'd be MSU. I never implied that we should only consider what alums want, only that we should consider more than what just the student section wants. I chose alums specifically to make that point because they're an older crowd than the student section and not as into Eminem, but at least equally important, as a group, to the program.
If it's not to too auto-fellating I'll quote myself, "Let's keep everyone happy."
I'm with ya on pretty much everything you've said above here, but... I'm not an M alum. I care about all of the U of M traditions, is it possible for me to care as much as an alum? I have no idea...
But still, you may be right. I could well be in the minority of non alum fans.
I thought I would hate the RAWK Music but it was not too bad. I liked the AC/DC stuff they used. My suggestion would be to use stuff like:
"Bodies" by Drowing Pool
"Chop Suey" by System of a Down... (cue in "when angels deserve to die" just as the game closes with ND...so that the lines "Father, why have you forsaken me" is hitting full volume just as they head to the dressing room as losers)...anything by System of a Down would work for me.
Just about anything by Kid Rock.
"Dragula" by Rob Zombie
(no Metalica...my ex wife like Metalica...I am now avowed to dislike them)
Old Metal like Rockin After Midnight, Two Minutes to Midnight, Iron Man and the like...
...you get the idea
love to hear that song, "I hate everything about you" by three days grace when we play our rivals. I also think the beat in that song "throw it up" by lil jon is intense and would be a pretty sick.
for the WMU game and the band is basically a non-entity in probably half the stadium. If that's the case, then getting the rest of the crowd rowdy requires some kind of speaker set up. The possibility of splitting up the band has already been shot down.
I sat in the oposite corner of the stadium in respect to the band at the ND game and I barely heard them once because it was so loud they were drowned out.
for some changes to the band. Maybe the piped in music will challenge them to compete a little more for attention. I've heard cow bells louder than our band (and it get's me more jazzed up).
Red Hot Chili Peppers cover of "Hail To The Victors" from their Columbus show.
I'll also take this moment to ask if anyone on the board has a copy of that song? I'll even pay dollar for it.
You'd have to do some digging to find it, though.
why not till I collapse? It is a good theme and all.
Or some M.O.P. Ante Up? Goes with all in...
We gotta get shit CRUNK!!! for these kids from the dirty south!
Pharoah Monche "Simon Says"
GET THE %&$@ UP!!!
I am a die hard Michigan fan but live in basketball country USA, Louisville KY. Ever since they built Papa Johns Stadium they have played piped in music and even at the end of last year when "Crapthorp" was at his worst I went to a game for the hell of it (and the tailgaiting plus free tickets!). I have to say that the crowd was just as pumped up when the music came on even when the team was getting smoked.
I love the Michigan band and I believe in honoring tradition but I also believe there is something about music that just puts the crowd/athletes in a certain mindset no matter what is the score is or what team they are playing.
One of the songs they play here just before Kickoff as the players are on the field is " We Ready" by a rapper who's name I believe is Archie. They play the instrumental version and the whole place explodes.