Chances of Winning Games (Rivals)

Submitted by CWoodIsMyBoiii on

Here are the percentages that rivals is giving us to win each game.

UMass - 100%
Bowling Green - 99%
Ilinois - 80%
Purdue - 70%
Indiana - 65%
UConn - 60%
ND - 50%
MSU - 50%
Penn State - 40%
Wisconsin - 35%
Iowa - 25%
OSU - 10%

I think they're pretty close on most of the games. The two that I think we have a better shot than they are giving us are Indiana and Wisconsin. I know IU played us tough last year but we played awful. I would say that one is closer to 75%. We get UW at home this year and by that time in the season, I think that we will have both sides of the ball sured up. I would give us a 50/50 shot in that one. What do you guys think?

mrduckworthb

July 12th, 2010 at 10:02 PM ^

I would think after last years performance at Iowa we would have about a 50/50 shot at that one as well.

 

Then again, I guess its a 50/50 chance for every game, thats why they're played.

 

Go Blue!

jaggs

July 12th, 2010 at 10:23 PM ^

I guess its a 50/50 chance for every game, thats why they're played.

I'll take M you take Bowling Green and Indiana straight up. Actually, I'll give you 6:5 on both those...

MGoObes

July 12th, 2010 at 10:04 PM ^

we have a better chance against iowa as well. we turn the ball over 6 times at their place and still were a FG away from getting the win. this year's game is at home but there's only a 25% chance of beating them? i disagree with the PSU percentage as well. that night game atmosphere is overblown. the white outs work when PSU is good, i don't think they will be this season. new LBs, new OL, new (awful) QB.

BiSB

July 12th, 2010 at 10:15 PM ^

to slightly less than 7 wins.  Conservative estimates, but probably reasonable.

EDIT: There are some interesting differences from Vegas odds;

  • Vegas has ND favored by 7.  Rivals has it as a pick 'em.
  • Vegas has Purdue as a pick 'em. Rivals has Michigan at 70%
  • Vegas has Penn State at -10.  Rivals gives us a 40% chance of winning that game.
  • Vegas has Iowa at only -3.  Rivals has us at only 25%.

steve sharik

July 13th, 2010 at 8:28 AM ^

...that Vegas lines are decided upon to stimulate betting.  It's not that they think ND is 7 points better than M.  I bet a lot of people around here will put some money down on M getting 7.  Then the line goes to -2, followed by ND people and national $ coming down, etc.

chunkums

July 12th, 2010 at 10:07 PM ^

Iowa is a bit perplexing considering Ameristanzi is getting a new offensive line, and he threw a lot of Stanziballs last year, but I just don't get all the Penn State love.  I suppose their defense might be good, but they are going to struggle scoring points this year.  I guess 40% could be worse though, and they have blown us out two years in a row.

SEAL Fan

July 12th, 2010 at 10:08 PM ^

Looks about right to me.  UCONN scares me.  I just hope that our defense plays inspired like the way they did against OSU last year.  

MGoDC

July 13th, 2010 at 9:44 AM ^

I certainly don't feel that way, but remember this is a mainstream site that has to pick percentages by what they feel will keep readers "confident" in their decision-making.

The reality is that OSU has won the last 6 games, the game is at their place, national perception says TP has "broken out" based on his Rose Bowl game, and Michigan hasnt actually been good yet (we're hoping they will be, but they havent actually done it).

10% seems more than fair as a preseason estimate based on past performance. Once we're at the week before the game and its around an 8-3 Michigan squad vs. a 10-1 OSU squad I bet the number jumps up to around 25%. But thats just my guess.

blueblueblue

July 13th, 2010 at 9:58 AM ^

I disagree. Giving us a 10% chance ignores the mercurial nature of college football. The team that wins on any given Saturday is not necessarily the better team. We have seen that in many games (e.g., The Horror, USC-Stanford '07). I would say that almost any D1 team has a 5-10% chance to beat any other D1 team  - maybe not on multiple days, when random variation is lowered, but on any one day. We deserve a percentage higher than just chance, higher than the vagaries of college football dictate. I would say 20 to 30%. 

shorts

July 12th, 2010 at 10:12 PM ^

So according to Rivals, all things being equal (injuries and whatnot), we have about a 0.02 chance of going undefeated. So you're saying there's a chance!

I agree, though: Some of the games are too skewed. We have a much better than 25% chance of beating Iowa at home IME, but I don't think we have a 70% chance of winning at Purdue (a team we haven't been able to stop the past two years). And 10% against OSU seems a tad low -- if this year's teams played 10 times, I think we'd win more than once. Then again, our recent history doesn't necessarily back that up ...

I do think 35% against Wisconsin is about right. Even though it's at home, I think Wisky is a legitimate top-10 team this year that may very well win the Big Ten.

Buzz Your Girlfriend

July 12th, 2010 at 10:52 PM ^

I'll take this and run with it. Percentages based off of rivals' stats. Determination of losses dependent on most likely for us to lose (lowest percentage)

 

12-0:  .019%

11-1 (lose to OSU): .19%

10-2 (lose to OSU + Iowa): .7%

9-3 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco): 2.1%

8-4 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU): 5.4%

7-5 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU + MSU): 10.8%

6-6 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU + MSU + Notre Dame): 21.6%

 

Judging by this, rivals thinks we have a 40.79% chance of going 6-6 or better and a 59.21% chance of going 5-7 or less.

 

THUS, I think even if they saw these calculations even THEY would change their statistics.

I personally would up OSU from 10% to 20, up MSU and Notre Dame up to 65%, up PSU to 50%, up Iowa to 50%, and lower Wisco to 30% (I think they will be harder than rivals suggests) . I would also move UCONN up to 70% (I think we will be focused as all hell), and Indiana and Purdue to 75%.

 

Let's recalculate.

 

12-0:  .15%

11-1 (lose to OSU): .79%

10-2 (lose to OSU + Wisco): 2.6% (3.6% chance of going 10-2 or better)

9-3 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco): 6.5% (10.1% chance of going 9-3 or better)

8-4 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU): 13.2% (23.3% chance of going 8-4 or better)

7-5 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU + MSU): 20.3% (43.6% chance of going 8-4 or better)

6-6 (lose to OSU + Iowa + Wisco + PSU + MSU + Notre Dame): 31.2% (74.8% chance of going 6-6 or better)

Seems like more accurate numbers to me, these %'s still seem even low if they are ranking Michigan 41.

 

 

BiSB

July 12th, 2010 at 11:20 PM ^

but I don't think you're correct here.  The percentages you list are only for the change in percentage based on the flipping of that specific game.  You can't do it that way. The way you know it isn't true is because Michigan is favored in 6 of the games, and 50/50 in two others.  It doesn't make logical sense that they'd be expected to win less than 6 games.

I could be very wrong, but I think the better way is to simply add the percentages.  For example, If we play the UMass game 100 times, we'd expect an average of 1 win per try, for BG we'd expect .99 wins per try, for ND 0.5 wins per try, etc.  That means that we'd expect:

  • UMass - 1.00 wins
  • Bowling Green - .99 wins
  • Ilinois - 0.8 wins
  • Purdue - 0.7 wins
  • Indiana - 0.6 wins
  • UConn - 0.6 wins
  • ND - 0.5 wins
  • MSU - 0.5 wins
  • Penn State - 0.4  wins
  • Wisconsin - 0.35 wins
  • Iowa - 0.25 wins
  • OSU - 0.1 wins

For an average of 6.84 wins. 

Econ majors, or anyone else who took Econ 405... little help?

Buzz Your Girlfriend

July 12th, 2010 at 11:40 PM ^

Think the right number is 6.79

I've been mulling over this for about 5 minutes and I haven't come to a conclusion about each method being wrong. 

OSU:

Marshall - 1

Miami - .70

Ohio - 1

Eastern Michigan - 1

Illinois - .90

Indiana - .95

Wisconsin - .7

Purdue .9

Minnesota - .95

PSU - .8

Iowa - .8

Michigan - 90% or .9

This gives them a 20.6% chance to go undefeated and 42.3% chance of going 11-1 or better and a 66.4% chance of going 10-2 or better

 

Your system:  10.6 average wins (50th percentile I believe)

Now this makes perfect sense. I don't know why our numbers aren't matching up like these, but I must say, I am using my cell phone calculator.

DeuceInTheDeuce

July 13th, 2010 at 2:34 AM ^

What you are trying to calculate is the likelihood of a series of outcomes based on the percentages given. You correctly calculated the chances of Michigan WINNING 12 games at .019%.  What you aren't factoring in is the impact of a LOSING outcome. The chances M wins all games except OSU is:

(1 * .99 * .8 * .7 * .65 * .6 * .5 * .5 * .4 * .35 * .25 * .9) =  0.17%   

 Not:

(1 * .99 * .8 * .7 * .65 * .6 * .5 * .5 * .4 * .35 * .25) = 0.19%

What you essentially calculated is the chances M goes undefeated in an 11 game season (never playing OSU).

Your numbers seem illogically low because the chances M goes 11-1 is NOT 0.17%. It is the sum of all possible one loss scenarios, which is about 0.36%

Mr. Robot

July 12th, 2010 at 10:12 PM ^

They are, last I recall, replacing a lot of good players and didn't show much promise in spring practice with the new guys. Why they are getting so much attention is completely beyond me.

I don't think they'll necessarily be bad next year, but I definitely don't think they will be sniffing the Big Ten title and we for sure have a better than 40% chance against them, even if it is in Happy Valley (Which lately hasn't done a whole lot for them. Iowa and OSU were both rather nasty losses at home for them last year).

ntl002

July 12th, 2010 at 10:12 PM ^

With the amount of experts predicting UConn as a game to lookout for, I'm almost surprised they gave us a 60% chance. Cant argue with the Purdue and Illinois percentages since they have unfortunately beaten us 2 years in a row now..

sheepman

July 12th, 2010 at 10:21 PM ^

 

though these are close, I would change a few...

 

UMass - 100% -   99% - nothing is a hundred percent.
Bowling Green - 99% - 95% - BG has been known to shock people 
Ilinois - 80% -- higher - 90%
Purdue - 70% -- I agree
Indiana - 65% -- 70% or 75%
UConn - 60% - I agree
ND - 50% --  I think we should be favored here. 55 or 60.
MSU - 50% - this is fair
Penn State - 40% - I think 50/50 here.
Wisconsin - 35% - Less here. 20% They scare me this year. 
Iowa - 25%-- I think 35% - it is homecoming 
OSU - 10% - I think at least 20%

Space Coyote

July 12th, 2010 at 10:27 PM ^

I'm just glad to see teams like UMass at 100% And Bowling Green is a 99%.  2008 really puts things in perspective.

In terms of the percentages as a whole though, I think most should probably be moved a little closer to 50%.  Our high power offense should give a better chance in games we aren't favored in, but our potentially weak D should keep some teams in it and could lead to some upsets.

Jim Harbaugh S…

July 12th, 2010 at 10:38 PM ^

I'd give M a 75% chance of that win.

I also think they are overrating Wisconsin and Penn State.  PSU doesn't have a qb.  Wisconsin has all the looks of a 7-5 maybe 8-4 team, people are just high on them because they won their bowl game.

blue note

July 12th, 2010 at 11:43 PM ^

Well, we beat them last year, but we lost to MSU and Purdue and they didn't. And we return a pretty bad D too, except without our best D lineman, DB, and leading tackler.

They underacheived like crazy last year...A new coach for ND should be a positive, not a negative for them. I'm around 45% for that one, maybe 50% max.

jmblue

July 12th, 2010 at 10:50 PM ^

That's an okay analysis, but I feel like they're too optimistic about the llinois, Purdue, and ND games  (I'd take off 10% for each) and too pessimistic about the MSU, Wisconsin, Iowa and OSU games.  I don't see Iowa walking into Michigan Stadium with a 75% chance of winning.  And while OSU will be a decided favorite against us, a 90% chance of beating us?   Sparty won't be a tossup, either . . . it should be like 60-65% in our favor.

GRIGGS616

July 12th, 2010 at 11:13 PM ^

Man i can't wait for the day when I can look at the schedule during the off-season, and say "yea we should easily be 10-1, even 11-0 going into the OSU game" again. These odds are fare for now though, other then the Iowa game, which should be more like 50/50.

steve sharik

July 12th, 2010 at 11:28 PM ^

  1. The article is written by Mike Spath, so it's his percentages, not Rivals.
  2. I think Wisconsin will be much tougher than Iowa, but at least we get the Badgers at home.  I think Wisconsin might win the league over O-state.

Bodogblog

July 12th, 2010 at 11:44 PM ^

MSU, Iowa, and OSU won't be that hard - I'd say 60%, 45%, and 30% respectively

Iowa was close to losing at least 4 more games last year, and they got a good match up with Georgia Tech in the bowl game (though played well).  Vegas is correct here

Though if they're giving us 7 points against ND, I may take their money there... Too many unknowns for the Irish to lay that line

WolvinLA2

July 13th, 2010 at 12:05 AM ^

I think we have a >50% chance against MSU.  I might give us a 50% chance on a neutral site, but maybe not even.  We have them at home, and we're the team trying to break the streak.  I think we smoke 'em.

Also, Iowa is low.  They'll be a good team, but they couldn't stop us last year even when we handed them the ball.  That game should be a toss-up for us at home.

snowcrash

July 13th, 2010 at 12:09 AM ^

UMass - 100%: I'd say 99%.
Bowling Green - 99%: I agree, last year we made hash out of teams with grossly inferior talent and I don't see that changing.
Ilinois - 80%: sounds about right, Juice is gone.
Purdue - 70%: maybe 60%, that is a road game and they could be dangerous.
Indiana - 65%: I'd say 80%, I don't like their defense at all.
UConn - 60%: I'd say 55%.
ND - 50%: I agree.
MSU - 50%: maybe 55%, only because we are at home.
Penn State - 40%: seems a little high, as a running team they are a better matchup for us but I think we will struggle on the road against that defense. Maybe 30%.
Wisconsin - 35%: seems about right, another running team with what will probably be a good but not great defense.
Iowa - 25%: I agree. Bad matchup, a passing team with a really good defense.
OSU - 10%: I agree. Their defense is loaded, their offense is loaded by OSU standards, and they're at home.

Overall, the numbers look reasonable.

Mlegacy

July 13th, 2010 at 12:10 AM ^

I hate to give percentage chances on winning games

Too many factors that just can't be accounted for

And it hurts to see how low that OSU percentage is

Logan88

July 13th, 2010 at 7:07 AM ^

My percentages would look like this:

  • UMass - 99%  (I never go above 99%)
  • Bowling Green - 95%
  • Illinois - 80%
  • Indiana - 75%
  • Purdue - 65%
  • UConn - 65%
  • MSU - 60%
  • Iowa -50%
  • PSU - 40%
  • Notre Dame - 40%
  • Wisconsin - 30%
  • OSU - 5%

I think UM will go 7-5 or 8-4 in 2010. Probably end up in the Texas Bowl (7-5) or the Gator Bowl (8-4).

 

jim4blue

July 13th, 2010 at 8:52 AM ^

A lot of those percentages look pretty good.  A couple thoughts:

- As the season plays out, the percentages could look very different depending on our team's mental state.  For example, if we beat both UConn and ND, I'd expect the percentages for a game like MSU to go up, as we would gain confidence.  If we lose either or both of the first two, the pressure ramps up on our young team to salvage the season, and I'm not sure we have the mental toughness to rebound from such a start.  In that case, I'd expect the percentages to drop for teams like Indiana and MSU as we struggle to find confidence.

- Not only is there pressure on RR to win this season, but I'd guess that the staff is looking for a "statement game" -- one they can point to in recruiting saying essentially, "look, the program is headed way up".  Two games like that this season are ND and Penn State, both nationally televised road games, and perhaps a game like Iowa at home.  As of now, I'd raise those percentages by at least 10 points each because I think the staff will put in new offensive wrinkles for each of those games, and 2 of the 3 QBs should not be able to take huge advantage of our weaknesses on D (and Stanzi can be very inconsistent, even though he's generally good in the 4Q).

Maize-colored glasses, perhaps, but I think we beat UConn and ND and restore a bit of the swagger to this team.  I don't really want to contemplate anything else.

 

st barth

July 13th, 2010 at 9:19 AM ^

OSU 10% in a big rivalry game just seems foolish to me. Everybody knows that you throw the records out in a game like that.  And you'd think the geniuses at a place called "Rivals" would understand that...but I guess not.