If he keeps putting up the stats he has been, he'll win and it won't even be close. The reason the people on those teams have a better shot is 1) publicity, which Denard obviously has plenty of and 2) the players around them putting them in a position to get gaudy stats. If our o-line and receivers play like they have been against B10 level competition, Denard will have a chance to keep his insane pace up.
The chances of Denard winning the Heisman are slim...
Exactly. The media are the ones who vote on him. So, if he stays in the spotlight throughout the season as their darling, they are going to vote for him.
"so your saying THERE'S A CHANCE', (i forget does Harry say cool or awesome after that?)
Go DRob and Go Blue! Even if there is no heisman this year things will be exciting!
I agree that Denard will have no problem being considered for the Heisman with the amount of attention he is getting from the national media currently. If Michigan goes 8-4 and he has a crazy good season, he will be right in contention. If we go 9-3 even better.
Usually they give it to someone on a BCS bowl caliber team, but there are exceptions. If Denard continued to put up the kind of numbers he has right now there is no way anyone could deny him the heisman. Even if Michigan went 6-6, the kid can flat out play.
This would also bring up the "What Heisman candidate could be removed from that team, and how drastic would that change be?" argument. If Michigan goes 6-6 full Denard going full bore, I'd imagine it'd be much much worse without him.
80-90% of the offense and do the things that he do and will be obviouslt the best all around player in the country. We go 9-3 or 8-4 and he outs up great numbers, It would be hard not to vote for him. By OSU there should be enough balance on offense so that opposing D's cannot only focus on DR.
If I had to pick one, I rather win 8-9 games and beat OSU than Denard get the Heisman. But then again, if Denard did win the Heisman, then the season must have turned out pretty damn well.
If I was given the choice I would also rather win 8-9 games this year, it would be a great season and keep RichRod around for sure. That being said, if we win 8-9 games it will probably be because Robinson is putting up sick numbers, thus giving him a shot at winning the heisman.
If you asked Mr. Robinson, he would also rather win 8-9 games and beat OSU. Here's to the two not being mutually exclusive!
Not only can he play, he is a class act. He is all about the team the team the team. +1 to you sir.
+1 as well. Also, I would like to thank everyone for not saying "8-9 wins? More like 13!"
You seem intelligent. I'm imagining all the awesome trolling you could have done if you were better at lurking. You could have really wreaked some havoc around here! Anyway, it's as easy as creating another username and trying again.
Haha, oh. You're talking about that. At what point on there did I put a gun to your head and force you to read anything I wrote?
If that's what you want to do.
Yes. Yes I am.
Yes. Yes we are.
Yes. Yes it will.
I missed something here. Damn it.
It's like your buddy in the room next door, yelling out the window at some a-hole.
If someone still had that original window open and screen cap'd it and were kind enough to share. I haven't seen a good trolling here in a while.
I rarely even notice who's posting what, much less their signature or links in their signature. That's the first time I noticed he had a blog.
Interesting that you'd take time to read his blog and then post about not caring about his dog or whatever. Why'd you click then? (no apologies to Wierenga for the contractions. she and I were decidedly not buddies).
It wasn't you that put the gun to his head it was sparty, poor guy can't read.
One of the great thing about this site to me is, people generally ignore the trolls, therefor depriving them the attention they crave that is lacking in their actualy personal life. The troll just gets ignored, negged to death and we move on. I love me some MgoBlog.
Anybody else PSYCHED for imspartacus3?
I hope you stick around. You are entertaining.
Actually he is kind of lurking. His name...Iamspartacus. Spartacus was a Roman, not a Spartan so therefore he's in disguise. Now if his name were IamLeonidas then it would be appropriate....
I like reading these threads after posts have been removed and it looks like posters are responding to themselves.
research tool, and sadly, you're using it for childish games like so many people. So no, you don't "know how to use the Internet." Al Gore would be ashamed.
You wouldn't even know WTF a "real team" looks like, Greek Boy.
Other things that would make you sound intelligent:
- A brain.
- Explaining why, instead of trying to further yourself in whatever it may be you have dedicated your life to (even if it is just competitive couch burning), you spend time on an opposing fanbase's website with poor attempts at trolling.
Ended sentence with dude? Check.
Began sentence with and? Check.
Failed to capitalize beginning of sentence? Check.
Trolled an ass load? Check.
Criticized someone else's intelligence? Irony.
My sense of superiority stems from the fact that you're spending your time posting worthless comments that nobody really gives a shit about. It's just annoying to have to sort through this thread with your dumbfuck comments clogging it up.
derp maybe when Sparty can get a play off in regulationz then they will be a legit team. derp.
Get a life, you poor, pathetic soul.
YOU'RE RIGHT CAPTAIN KIRK SHOULD TAKE IT HOME BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO TIE HIS SHOES
Let's confuse causation with correlation. Yes, most of the time the best player is on a very good team, but sometimes the best player is just on a pretty good team. I agree with you that if we lose 5 games, some of that will probably come down on Denard. Unless, those losses are because we lose 45-39 and Denard still puts up crazy stats.
If we go 8-4 or better, our record will not hinder him from winning the Heisman.
I will be looking forward to the next 2 years where he is a frontrunner in the race and even better than he is now. Denard is going to get a Heisman trophy.
I was thinking this too, which makes me even more distressed that Gardner didn't get red-shirted. I have full faith in the coaching staff, but damn, it's going to suck having to choose between Gardner and Robinson the next couple years.
its not choosing between sheridan and threet.
But who is to say that still doesn't end up happening somehow?? Devin comes with the same type of Heisman potential TP was coming in with. It would be nice to get more than a year of him as a starter. I really don't think, given the way Denard has played that he will lose his position as starter unless an injury occurs. I just hope it all works out in our favor in the end.
Denard will probably be in the same boat as Patrick Peterson of LSU, their teams aren't complete enough to allow for them to win it. Charles Woodson had alot of help to showcase his amazing abilities. If LSU can't win big games then Peterson wont be able to get attention.
If the Heisman voters haven't noticed Denard's numbers and highlight reel, they're literally living underneath a large rock or they're dead. LSU doesn't get the national attention Michigan does when they're not playing at a very high level.
I like my head better in the clouds, then up Dantonios ass where yours seems to be.
Rather than the overall record, Denard's Heisman chances will mainly depend upon how he does in the last game (OSU) and the second last game (Wiscy). If he continues to maintain his stats until the last two games and gives great performance on the national stage for the last two games - then the Heisman is his - Michigan's record then will only be the secondary consideration.
If he breaks open OSU game with a couple of highlight reel worthy plays - then I think that will take him across the finish like (think how Woodson and Howard sealed their Heisman in the OSU game).
Denard put up over 500 yards during a nationally televised game. That put him in the driver's seat for the finale, especially if the OH/MI game is also nationally televised.
If OSU wins and Pryor puts up decent numbers, then he'll probably get it, not because he's deserves it, but because that's the way it seems to go. If Denard puts on a show but doesn't get the Heisman due to a loss, the discussion will be how he was robbed.
In either case, Denard gets the win in the fans' minds.
if arkansas beats florida i'd venture a guess that Mallett will be the front runner.
If Arkansas beats Florida, I'll shrug. Florida is not a good team this year.
Now, if Mallett has a big game in leading Arkansas to an upset over Alabama, he'll probably move ahead of Denard, barring a 500-600 yard day by Shoelace himself.
You could have made a similar argument in September 1997 saying that no defensive player ever won. Of course there are exceptions, and if he keeps this up, he'll be right in the mix.
and AP #1 at the time of the award ceremony. The OP's point is valid: in recent history, the award goes to the best player on (arguably) the best team.
Holy hell man, the chances of ANYONE winning the Heisman are slim to none.
This is a good example of a poster appearing to be drawing a line in the sand and making a claim WITHOUT actually doing so.
"Slim to none" - if he gets it, you can be all "well whaddaya know about that, good for him." If he doesn't get it, you can be all "see I told you so."
Man up already and say something meaningful.
This only makes sense if your idea of intelligent commentary is a "line in the sand" proclamation.
Team concept for trophies?? I know, I know you want Michigan to win and pick up the hardware as well, right, I get it. But both Howard and Woodson were considerably understated especially during this time of the year in their respected seasons. We are Michigan, NOT University of Houston. All individual awards are preceded by winning unless you cracking up gaudy numbers against the likes of UTEP. Please take six tablets of Tecmo Bowl and call me in on Sunday.
If my memory is right, Desmond started the year with 4 TD's at Boston College (inlcuding a kickoff return). He then followed it up with the ND 4th and 1 game (where he also scored on a reverse). That year's race was over quickly.....
Team concept for trophies?? I know, I know you want Michigan to win and pick up the hardware as well, right, I get it. But both Howard and Woodson were considerably understated especially during this time of the year in their respected seasons. We are Michigan, NOT University of Houston. All individual awards are preceded by winning unless you cracking up gaudy numbers against the likes of UTEP. Please take six tablets of Tecmo Bowl and call me in on Sunday
EDIT: Im not sure why I posted twice?.
But... But... But...
We'll win 8 or 9 games.
I think the reason why the "best" or "most valuable" player rarely wins the Heisman is because the player most deserving come from programs not considered to be among the elite college football programs. Generally, you see the traditional powers (USC, Florida, Texas, etc.) in a BCS bowl at the end of the year. Despite the last few years, we are still considered to be a part of this group.
The reason Toby Gerhart didn't win it last year was because nobody heard of him until midway through the season, and barely anyone follows Stanford football closely. The difference between him and Denard is that Denard is already on the map and that everybody will be following him from now on. If he puts up similar stats to what he already has for the rest of the season, there will be no denying him the Heisman.
There are two ways to win the Heisman:
1) Be the QB or RB on a team in the BCS title game (most impressive of the four gets the statue)
2) Put up utterly fucking ridiculous stats (the Tebow method).
Denard's stats are, after facing some crappy defenses, utterly fucking ridiculous. If he averages something like 90/200 rushing/passing through the Big Ten schedule I think he's got a shot.
Agreed, whole-heartedly, but our yards have to come from somewhere. If that is the case we might have two other 100 yard rushers each game. Then, the stories will be all about how the defenses are watching him which opens up everything for our receivers and RBs.
I missed that in the UMass game...when was that taken - post his TD run (or was it some other game?)
DRob definitely owes the OL (not like he hasn't been crediting the team enough) but this pic is iconic.
I'm pretty sure it was during warmups.
I'd rather have a Rose Bowl or a National Championship.
The team, the team, the team.
From what he has said I get the feeling he feels the same way. But if we end up in either of those games it will be in large part due to the numbers he puts up and the limited mistakes. I think they go hand in hand. If he wins the heisman we will have won 10-12 games.
What was up with that 1-in-a-million talk?!?
If he stays healthy and maintains UMass production, we'll be a BCS team this year. I don't see him maintaining that production (which led to 42 points) but if did, I doubt many teams beat us this year, regardless of our defense.
finished 2nd with 28 points behind Mark Ingram. He did this despite the lack of publicity, media hype and his team being an above average team last season.
If Denard can keep up the torrid pace that he set in the first three games thus far, I don't see any reason why the Heisman hype would die down. He's basically on pace to throw 3,000 yards and run for over 1,000 yards which is quite ridiculous. Throw in with a 70% completion percentage and high number of TDs whether if it's passing or running plus low number of INTs. I don't see how Denard is going to lose it unless he's hurt, or he regressed big time.
I seem to recall Woody Danzler getting a lot of Heisman mention due to similar stas with Clemson. Although he never won it, i think that's because Clemson never went better than 6-6 when he was there (not counting 1997 when he was redshirting). if you can stay in the conversation, you always have a chance.
Vegas disagrees with you.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the fact that Tebow won the trophy as a sophomore on an 8-4 Florida team. It's not unprecedented. If the media takes notice, and the voters being to follow him weekly, he has a good shot.
True, but Florida won the NC the previous season and Tebow was anointed the future star of that team from the moment he arrived on campus. Robinson didn't have nearly as much hype when he got here and we haven't even played in a bowl the previous two seasons.
But it's true that because the Michigan name still carries some weight, he has a better chance than if he were putting up crazy numbers playing for a less prestigious program that was coming off a couple of bad seasons.
If Denard continues to play the way he's been, do not rule out the possibility of us going to a very good bowl.
May I remind Mgoposters of the Denard interview after the Notre Dame game.
"I just decided it was time to put it away." (Paraphrase.)
At this point, no one has shown themselves to be able to prevent this. I know that sounds ridiculous. But whether it's RR's play calling or Denards ownage, we have gotten points when we needed them. The Defense will bite us in the ass a couple times. That said, if those timely points keep coming, a very solid bowl is a distinct possibility.
This statement is true. That is obviously why Pryor is at the top of a lot of lists. Put Pryor on a team like Baylor or Kansas and his stats would be atrocious. However since he's at TUOS his performances of 12-27 get un-noticed because the team is far better then Pryor is as an individual. Tebow in 07' put up absolutely disgusting numbers to where they had no choice but to give it to him. Denard is on that same pace, and if he continues to do so as long as we don't finish with more then 4 losses I really like his chances. If Pryor wins the heisman it would be the greatest injustice perhaps of all time.
Denard will get nominated for the heisman this year but won't win it because we went 7-5. Next year however we will finish top ten and Denard will win the heisman in a land slide and then we will win a BCS bowl game.
however, I think as long as we stay in the rankings, he will always be in the conversation. Not to mention, even though I agree with you that the Heisman is awarded to a great player on a great team, anyone will have a hard time over looking what he will have done if we win 9 or 10 games. GO BLUE!!