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Champeen's thoughts on Zak Irvin's film.

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Champeen's thoughts on Zak Irvin's film.

is special.

I have been watching every one of Walton and Irvin clips since their junior seasons.  IMO, Walton was clearly the better player and the 'bigger' get during their junior years.  It even became more apparent how important he was when Burke was next to gone to the NBA.

However, watching Irvin's senior year highlights so far - wow.  I have always followed basketball closely, specifically Michigan recruiting.  I can safely say Irvin's high school film is the best i have seen since..... Webber (although in different ways, and only including Michigan commits).

Irvin is the complete package.  He can shoot.  He can dribble.  He can penetrate/drive (at an elite level i may add).  He is long.  He is so absolutely athletic. 

Those close to Zak had stated the reason why no one had seen this years Irvin last year was because Gary Harris was there.  I did not beliive it.  Well, he either blew up in one year, or the reason was true.

Walton is a very, very good player.  Potential McDonald all american.  But wathcing Irvin - he is special.  He is going to absolutely KILL it in JB's system.  Kill it.

That is all- happy holidays everyone  :)

Mod edit: Title changed to better reflect the contents of the OP. Please remember to keep thread titles as concise and informative as possible. JGB.

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:35 PM | Thread title (Score:5 Normal)
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Not special.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 PM | Yet (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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I have to read all this bs about a bad title!! Whatever, I just went through this whole thread trying to find something informative about Zak Irvin! Ya, that didn't happen thanks to all the title police.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | Shouldn't the informative stuff (Score:4 Normal)
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Been in the original post?

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:37 PM | Matthew Perry (Score:2 Normal)
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Matthew Perry

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:38 PM | Champeen is special... (Score:5 Normal)
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But not in the way that you might think

/MGoOobes

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:40 PM | This thread title is pretty (Score:4 Normal)
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This thread title is pretty much the example of what not to do when naming a thread.

Whammy!

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:47 PM | No, I think we all decided (Score:5 Normal)
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No, I think we all decided that the worst title of all time would be "Sports" or something like that.  Though pretty darn horrible, this one isn't the worst.

 

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:43 PM | . (Score:5 Normal)
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Someone has to post the obligatory Justin Feagin thread title example. I'm too lazy.

"I have three kids and no money. Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:43 PM | Zak Irvin.....please expand title! (Score:0 Normal)
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Thread title FAIL!

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:45 PM | For Future Reference (Score:5 Normal)
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What should I title my threads?

Please make your thread titles as informative as possible: "Justin Feagin" is bad. "Justin Feagin leaving the team?" is good.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/mgoboard-faq

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | I've noticed that you're one (Score:4 Normal)
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I've noticed that you're one of the most helpful people on this board.  Is it the intermittent Bolivian vacations that keep you from being a mod?

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 PM | I could never be a mod (Score:5 Normal)
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I would send Section 1 to Bolivia every single day until relieved of my duties.  

I did some of the live blogs, but I essentially resigned myself to deleting all of the FIRE BORGES!!!!11!!one!! comments.

Plus, I'm way too big of a jackass to take on actual responsiblity.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:40 PM | Ha, sounds like why I'd never be asked to. (Score:2 Normal)
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I'd be too vengeful god fire and brimstone leaving bodies in my wake that would make Keyser Soze proud. They seem to go for a more rational and understanding style around here. Go figure.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:45 PM | To everyone, get off your (Score:-1 Trolling)
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To everyone, get off your high horses and quick pissing on everyone with a bad title.  At least is wasnt Zak Irvin.......... is decommited or dead for that matter.  Neg away.

Those Who Stay Will Be Champions

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:54 PM | tactically speaking, (Score:5 Normal)
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if you're going to piss on people, a high horse is probably the best place to be.  Or a tall horse, anyway, not the Western Michigan "high horse" mascot.

To wit:

 

Jeebus, that is one seriously high horse.

"You know, for a bartender/bookie, you're pretty judgmental."

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:13 PM | No doubt. As much as I love this board... (Score:2 Flamebait)
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As much as I love this board (and I do) and as much time as I spend on it everyday (a lot), I get so tired of seeing this.  Every post on this thread is not regarding the content and why we should be excited about this kid, it's some asshole venting about how this post is not good enough for them.  It's amazing how many narcissistic douchbags can congregate in one place.  If you're not moving the conversation forward or at least making a witty comment, why take the time to post at all?  

Also, Merry Christmas Bitches!  

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | I can understand your (Score:5 Normal)
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I can understand your frustration, but the fact remains:  If your going to start a thread, use an informative title.  Otherwise, people that wouldn't normally click on this thread have to do so to figure out what its about and then get pissed that they could have skipped it if they weren't interested.  Its all about being considerate of others and not being lazy.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:29 PM | While I can empathize with your point of view... (Score:2 Normal)
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especially knowing that you are a part of this board in your own right and have dealt with this issue many times (I would imagine), my point is this:

How many assholes does it take to tell someone they made a mistake?  Surely by the 3rd poster telling him his title was crap, the poor guy understood that next Christmas, he'll do things differently.  He knows he forgot the TPS Report...!

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | The OP could have always (Score:5 Normal)
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The OP could have always changed the thread title.  Problem solved.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | This guy (Score:0 Trolling)
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He gets it.  That's all I wanted to say.  It takes one MOD to say hey, fix the title.  Otherwise thanks for the opinion about michigan players on a michigan blog and thats all that's needed. 

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:57 PM | I get it (Score:4 Normal)
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I get it, too. It's always the same:



- guy names thread poorly

- people yell at him

- someone always says 'what is your problem dudes it's just a title don't click it or whatever'

- big argument



Seems like not naming the thread with a dumbass title would prevent all of this.



That said, interesting post. How about some links to the videos the OP has been watching or something?

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 PM | Apparently it takes at least one more. (Score:5 Normal)
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Because he still hasn't changed it yet.

There's also a question of whether "I'm some Internet dude and watching him on YouTube makes me think he's awesome" is thread worthy or not. I mean...why? What about him? Your basketball background? What makes him better than everyone since Webber? How about making it a point of discussion....or a breakdown?

The bad thread title distracted from all that. But if he had just changed his title after the first one it would have stopped. Even "Zak Irvin is special"....though really what the thread is saying "I think Zak Irvin is special"...it's just thin on the "why."

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 24th, 2012 at 6:44 PM | "Apparently it takes one more." .... (Score:1 Normal)
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Indeed it did.  I laughed out loud at that line.

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:50 PM | All of this, is why I drink around my family... (Score:3 Normal)
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All of this is why I drink around my family during the holidays.

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:50 PM | Justin Feagin is bad. (Score:4 Normal)
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I'm just sayin'.

(hope the kid gets his life in order, though)

In other news, that's excellent re: Irvin.  The pipeline looks bright indeed.

"You know, for a bartender/bookie, you're pretty judgmental."

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:48 PM | Please fix title. -MGoBlog   (Score:5 Normal)
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Please fix title.

-MGoBlog

 

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:57 PM | Let me get this straight (Score:1 Underrated)
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It's not okay to post a vague title and have people risk wasting a precious 30 seconds clicking on the thread and deciding whether or not it's relevant to their interests. But it is okay to shit up a perfectly good discussion about a recuit bitching about the title? It's not like OP was purposefully vague to get clicks. It's a pretty innocent mistake. Meanwhile, the thread is unreadable.

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | Agreed. A mod should be (Score:2)
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Agreed. A mod should be cleaning this up. I've read to this point and haven't read a single meaningful word about Irvin.

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December 24th, 2012 at 3:24 PM | That's the point of the user moderation system. (Score:3 Normal)
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I see deleting comments as a Pandora's Box situation: we're all better off having everyone on the thread make decisions on the validity of a comment (and keeping the comment there to see) than having me or profit deleting a bunch of stuff posted within the rules. There's just not a good place to start or end with that.

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:50 PM | Why do I immediately think (Score:5 Normal)
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Why do I immediately think the dude either died or got arrested when I see a name with no other explanation on a thread?  Why do I never think "hey...this will probably be something nice about a player I know".  Nope - always either dead or in jail in my mind.

Glad this was just a shitty thread title and nothing worse.

 

 

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:03 PM | I didn't even consider the (Score:4 Normal)
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I didn't even consider the jail possibility.  I just assumed he had died.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:11 PM | I was thinking maybe he (Score:2)
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I was thinking maybe he decommited...then remembered he already signed.

As for Irvin's play, yes, he looks really impressive.  I would also rate him as our top incoming recuit.  I'm guessing GR3 stays for his sophomore year (projected in the 2nd round), but if he doesn't, Irvin will fill that gap very nicely. 

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December 24th, 2012 at 12:53 PM | Zak Morris (Score:3 Normal)
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December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 PM | Shane Morris (Score:2)
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Shane Morris

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December 25th, 2012 at 3:29 PM | Jaime Morris (Score:1)
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December 24th, 2012 at 12:58 PM | Zak Irwin (Score:1 Normal)
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is enjoying Christmas with his family.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | Your Title SUCKS (Score:1 Normal)
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I only clicked on this thread because I thought Irvin wasn't qualified or was injured or did something amazing. You trolled for my view I hope your thread reaches -50 in downvotes.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:15 PM | Jesus you guys... (Score:3 Normal)
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It was a thread title that was too vague, otherwise the content was fine.  Just help the guy out by informing him that his thread titles need to be more specific and move on. 

...I can puncho yo buns...

 

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:19 PM | That is not how things work (Score:4 Normal)
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That is not how things work around here.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:26 PM | I'm not one who cares too (Score:4 Normal)
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I'm not one who cares too much about thread titles, but as far as actual content goes, this is just snowflakes. Not really informative or worthy of a thread. If he had posted all of Irvin's senior highlights, then maybe. 

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | It's still Festivus right? (Score:3 Normal)
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It's still Festivus right? Uninformative thread titles aaaargh.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:44 PM | Mgoboard problems. (Score:2 Normal)
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Mgoboard problems.

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.

- Vince Lombardi

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:46 PM | The title is fine (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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its the holidays.quit bitching about titles and have a good christmas. Good lord some of you on here have to bitch about something.

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:55 PM | Quit bitching about people (Score:4 Normal)
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Quit bitching about people bitching about titles. /bitching.

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December 24th, 2012 at 1:59 PM | Idiots (Score:0 Trolling)
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Sorry Champeen, we got Title Nazi's in here. Though, next time at least put "Zak Irvin is special"...that would probably be a tad bit better. What I don't get it is why can't one person just correct him, why do we have to have 20 other followers correct him, as if the first person wasn't enough already for Champeen to understand what he did wrong. Regardless, you seem new to posting on here, since you only have 121 points, therefore I wouldn't get on you!

I have been keeping track of the recruits, Donnal, Irvin, and Walton. Walton seems to be blowing up, but Irvin is keeping up with him. I think he will fill Tim Hardaway's role really nicely, if timmy were to leave this year. I honestly feel Irvin is playing better than Gary Harris did, when Harris was a senior. Gary Harris is averaging about 12 points a game at MSU. If Irvin could do that next year, I would be happy. I'm excited for the future of our basketball team!

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:10 PM | Where (Score:3 Normal)
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Where are these Senior highlights.

THIS IS MICHIGAN

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | UM Hoops (Score:1)
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UM Hoops would be a good place to start. 

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:22 PM | Both Walton and Irvin should (Score:1)
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Both Walton and Irvin should be top 25 prospects by the time they arrive at Michigan.  Whether they actually get rated that way or not remains to be seen.  As Brian points out, everyone could see that Stauskas was better than his rankings indicated, while the hobbit from NC State was a McDonalds All American.  

Walton badly outplayed Kasey Hill (top 10 player and #1 or #2 PG to most sites) over the summer.  He has only improved every time I have seen him.  His skill set fits perfectly with the roster that we will have next year as he is a distributor first and he will have so many weapons at his disposal.  

I remember back to Irvin's recruitment there was some discussion if we should take Irvin, VJ Beachem or some others.  As it seems is always the case (was with Walton as well), the guy who Beilein selects ends up skyrocketing.  

I love Donnal's potential but I see him redshirting next year with Morgan, McGary, Robinson III, Horford and Beilfeldt all fighting for minutes at the 4/5.  

Next year will be an even bigger fight for minutes, especially if THJ returns.  How do you divide up 80 minutes between THJ, Stauskas, Levert and Irvin?  

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 PM | You really think Hardaway (Score:1 Normal)
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You really think Hardaway will stay? I think it would be a luxury to have THJr, Irvin and LeVert splitting minutes at the 3 (Stauskas is a 2, IMO), but I see THJr bolting to the NBA after the season he is poised to have. 

Re: Donnal, taking a look at the depth at the 4 (I think Horford exclusively plays the 5 next season, if he can stay healthy, btw) I think a redshirt is likely. It's amazing how we have gone from last year (Smotrycz, then an out of position Morgan or out of position Novak) to the depth we have this year, to where we have the luxury of redshirting a 4 next year. Amazing.

One last thing: really enjoyed the post by Champeen, but it's pathetic that 90% of the responses to this post were about its title. This is why those of us who seek intelligent conversation about Michigan sports M-Go-Elsewhere.

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December 24th, 2012 at 2:52 PM | No, I think Hardaway is gone (Score:1)
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No, I think Hardaway is gone after this year.  He would probably be better served staying all 4 years but I think he will leave with Burke.  

Stauskas may eventually be a 2, but this year he is the 3 and THJ the 2.  If THJ returns I think you see...

2 - THJ/LeVert

3 - Stauskas/Irvin

 

If THJ leaves I think you will see Stauskas taking roughly 33 minutes with LeVert/Irvin dividing the other 47 between the two of them.  

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