Chad Ford's Latest Draft Projections re: Trey & Tim

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
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Chad Ford's Latest Draft Projections re: Trey & Tim

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100?year=2012&set=3

The numbers > 20 on his draft board are "insider only" so I won't post any content other than their rankings and projections (which also came across my twitter feed and are, in my opinion, public info now). Tim Hardaway Jr. is on Ford's Board as #66. Trey doesn't appear until #71.

I know many people on here don't like the NBA (and take every NBA related thread to remind the rest of us of that fact) but there are 30 NBA teams and 2 rounds of the draft. So according to Ford, if they left neither Trey or Timmy would be drafted. Ford "officially" has Tim as "2nd round pick /undrafted" and Trey as "2nd round pick /undrafted" in his projections, so we've got that going for us, which is nice

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:27 PM | will you please forward that (Score:2 Normal)
robbyt003
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will you please forward that link to Trey

Plus they list his height at 6'1".  

“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler

March 26th, 2012 at 3:28 PM | And Tim as well (Score:1)
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Thanks...

March 26th, 2012 at 3:51 PM | well Tim hasn't said he is (Score:1 Normal)
robbyt003
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well Tim hasn't said he is testing the waters to see where he would be drafted.  So I am ASSuming he is coming back

“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler

March 26th, 2012 at 5:20 PM | "Tim?" (Score:1)
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THJ's dad is a one-man "NBA draft committee."  Also, his family doesn't need the money like those of so many basketball players.  

I am guessing that THS knows exactly where THJ would be drafted and what he needs to work on.  Whenver you see shots of him watching games, it looks like his eyes are loading everything he sees into a computer.  The way the year ended sorta sucked, but at least it should be enough to make THJ not even think of the draft for this year.  

What I would love to see as a "best-case scenario" is both of them coming back, playing so well that the first round is a foregone conclusion, taking Michigan to at least the Final Four, and then leaving with the heartfelt gratitude of the "Michigan family."

 

 

 

March 27th, 2012 at 12:24 AM | Tim Sr. (Score:1 Normal)
freejs
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actually had some significant financial issues a few years back, but the Heat seemed ready to step in and help him out with that, so one hopes he is back on solid footing.

I'm guessing they're doing ok again, but this was the situation when Tim Jr. first came to Michigan.

March 27th, 2012 at 7:19 AM | TH Sr. (Score:2 Normal)
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on Burke; Chris Paul "only quicker." 

"....... like Stockton with better court vision, like Isiah with better range, like me with better handles, and like Jerry West, only way better."

Come on Tim, help us out here.

 

March 26th, 2012 at 3:24 PM | Undrafted (Score:5 Normal)
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That also assumes that every person ranked ahead of them enters the draft, an unlikely scenario. Not that I think either should leave, just a point I think is overlooked.

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:27 PM | Very true (Score:5 Normal)
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That's probably why numbers 66 and 71 get "2nd round pick/undrafted" vs just "undrafted" projections. And (obviously since Trey and Timmy are in it) this list doesn't have only players who have already declared for the draft.

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

March 26th, 2012 at 3:33 PM | But it ultimately doesn't (Score:5 Normal)
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But it ultimately doesn't really matter, since being a 2nd-round pick is pretty lousy anyway.  Unless you have the good fortune to be drafted by the very team you were hoping for (as Morris was last year), you're often better off being an undrafted free agent.  You don't make any more money in the second round than you do as a free agent.

For a guy like Burke, the first round should be the only goal, and #71 is a long way from that. 

March 26th, 2012 at 3:28 PM | Is this new? (Score:4 Normal)
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It sounds similar to what was already out there re: Ford...I'm just curious.

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:31 PM | His rankings got updated (Score:5 Normal)
JeepinBen
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but I don't think Tim or Trey moved. There hasn't been a player specific update for either of them since November 25.

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:36 PM | huh - thanks (Score:5 Normal)
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That makes me not trust that ranking so much.  I wonder if Ford just hasn't gotten around to re-analyzing Burke's prospects. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

March 26th, 2012 at 3:44 PM | Did a little more digging (Score:4 Normal)
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On his top 100 page people had been updated as recently as 3/23, just Trey and Tim hadn't since November.

In an article posted this morning (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7737632/nba-draft-michael-kidd-gilchrist-other-prospects-stay-hot) Ford went over "hot or not" players and neither of our boys was mentioned at all. It could be that Trey and Tim are off his radar for the moment, or entirely.

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:30 PM | Trey is simply not ready (Score:2)
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If Trey were a physical freak or had an outstanding season/tournmanent it would make sense for him to enter the 2012 Draft.  2013 just makes more sense because it gives him time to hone his game, and it is a much weaker draft.  Trey's father said he hopes his son stays in school.  Listen to your father Trey!  GO BLUE!

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:34 PM | Interestingly enough (Score:5 Normal)
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One of Michigan's friends in this process may be Satch Sullinger.  He's been around the game for a long time, doesn't seem wowed by the NBA, and presumably will at least have a conversation with Burke about what he should do.  Below is a quote from Sullinger in a longer piece about Burke over at UMHoops. 

 

“You don’t look at what’s outside,” Satch Sullinger said Saturday, before Jared was to play in the Elite Eight for Ohio State. “We didn’t look at what was outside, we looked at what was inside of our son. At 19 years old being out there with money, we felt like we weren’t ready. His game may (have been) ready. We encouraged him, (but) it still was his choice. We encouraged him (that) he needed to stay. Hopefully, Trey makes the best decision for him.”

http://www.umhoops.com/2012/03/26/what-theyre-saying-trey-burke-and-the-nba/#more-28914

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March 26th, 2012 at 4:27 PM | Hard to not be impressed by (Score:3 Normal)
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Hard to not be impressed by Satch Sullinger.  Sounds like a great coach and parent.

March 26th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | Sullinger was way more NBA (Score:1)
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Sullinger was way more NBA ready last year than Burke is now too.  I think Burke will take his old coach's advice very seriously.  Could be the next Chris Paul if he keeps working the way he has thus far.

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March 26th, 2012 at 8:38 PM | easssssy meow (Score:-1 Flamebait)
March 26th, 2012 at 3:32 PM | I like the NBA, just wanted (Score:5 Normal)
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I like the NBA, just wanted to throw that out there.

Unless someone that Trey trusts is totally filling his head with BS, there is no way Burke is going pro. None.

He is legit, that's for sure.  But he is not NBA-ready, and he should know that.

March 26th, 2012 at 3:43 PM | If history is any judge then (Score:5 Normal)
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If history is any judge then the NBA scout's evaluation won't matter and "experts" (like Chad Ford) won't matter and certainly we won't matter (nor should we).

What WILL matter will be what their respective friends and agents tell them.  And for some odd reason the people with the most to gain financially from the player going pro early all seem to recommend an early departure and a for SURE top 20 draft slot.  Which is sad really because when you get mgrowold like me you learn that when somebody is more interested in their own welfare than yours you need to run like hell from their advice.

Hate to be the cynic but i've just seen this movie TOO many times to not know how it ends.  And sadly it will probably end badly for everyone concerned.....everyone that is except the friends who will now get to spend the players money and the agent who will collect 7% of whatever the pro contract goes for.

 

 

March 26th, 2012 at 3:45 PM | I definitely agree with (Score:2 Normal)
Willhouse
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I definitely agree with everything you said. Manny and D-Mo are prime examples.

BUT...

I think Trey has a solid suppor group around him (sounds like his dad and Big Sully both support him staying in school) and the pundits aren't going bonkers over Trey's game (yet). Hopefully Trey sees that and makes the correct call.

We will find out soon...

March 26th, 2012 at 3:54 PM | ?? (Score:1)
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How would an agent benefit if Trey goes undrafted?

March 26th, 2012 at 4:19 PM | He doesn't lose much if (Score:3 Normal)
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He doesn't lose much if anything if it happens. Certainly not nearly as much as the player could lose.

the crowds on the shore will always yell "Let's Go Blue."

March 26th, 2012 at 4:29 PM | Because there's a world of (Score:4 Normal)
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Because there's a world of difference between undrafted and not playing.  Once a player makes the leap there is NO turning back and Tre, if undrafted, would be forced to play somewhere...anywhere...to earn a living and try to get back into the NBA.  Which means he'd need an agent and that agent would then collect 7%of his contract.

The only way the agent doesnt get paid is if A - the player sucks so royally they cant play in any league for any price (highly unlikely in Trey's case) or B - they stay in school.

Given what you know about agents and Tre's overall game do you see Trey being unable to play anywhere in the world?  I dont and that's why i think he's gonna get a lot of agent-love telling him just how wonderful and special he really is.

Just like Darius, Manny and Trent did before him.

 

 

March 26th, 2012 at 5:11 PM | gonna get a lot of agent-love telling him how wonderful he is (Score:2)
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combined with the lure of a bunch of quick cash, that's why I think he's leaving.


March 26th, 2012 at 3:46 PM | Just a note on the analysis (Score:2)
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Just a note on the analysis on both of them: they haven't been updated since November 25. The analysis for a vast majority of the players ranked 1-50 have been updated in the last month or two. I don't know if that means anything, but is it possible that if Ford updates the analysis on them that they could jump higher?

March 26th, 2012 at 4:02 PM | Of course (Score:4 Normal)
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But it's also possible after they are updated that they drop lower. Just my opinion, but if someone was impressing to the point of jumping up his list, I'd think that ford would get to that person sooner rather than later. Again, my opinion, but them NOT moving/being updated I'd see as a good thing for them staying

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March 26th, 2012 at 3:49 PM | Fantastic (Score:2 Normal)
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