Chad Ford: Mo Wagner Made Himself a Lot of $$ Today, Moving Him into the 20s in next Mock Draft
Well there is some worry about Mo going back to Germany but games like today could have him going direct to NBA. Ford is moving him into the back third of the 1st round...where DJ already was. I know the media tend to overreact to 1 game here or there but for those of us watching closely - despite the relative slump the past few weeks - we could see Mo's potential. These performances just show everyone else in the national audience. Doing it vs some NBA type athletes from Louisville also will open some eyes.
I am enjoying this run but in the back of my head I see two guys @ 6'10ish which the modern NBA is built around. When DJ broke the press with 2 minutes left and dribbled nearly the whole length of the court it reminded me of something Webber did back in the early 90s. He has some good handles for a big man. Yes he needs to bulk up, "get tougher" for the NBA, yada yada but NBA drafts on potential and you can't develop size.
Ford also said last week Wilson is "50/50" on returning. With that size, outside game, and athleticism a touch above Mo, he was the one I was more worried about but Mo is again a guy built for the NBA with his outside game.
So we might need to strike while the iron is hot here. Insert "but but but they'd develop so much better in the NCAA than NBA" here.
Wagner ranked No. 40 in our Top 100 coming into tourney. Will be in the 20s when we update on Monday. DJ Wilson also helped himself a lot
— Chad Ford (@chadfordinsider) March 19, 2017
UM’s Moritz Wagner made A LOT of $ today. Huge game v Louisville athletes big deal for scouts. Skilled, 6-11, mobile, can shoot it, just 19
— Chad Ford (@chadfordinsider) March 19, 2017
Quit the draft talk!
He's going to be deported anyway.
Nothing to see here.
Makes no sense. He's clearly unpolished and immature. Needs another two years of seasoning.
Wagner hasn't shown the consistency that NBA scouts want. He won't enter the draft because he isn't going to get a first round assessment.
I am much more worried about him getting an "offer he can't refuse" back home.
Coach B wanted him to say something to the folks in Germany and I guess he was too shy or he just didn't want to. He just seems like a kid who is really enjoying himself; I see him in Ann Arbor for at least one more year.
On a different topic, isn't it funny the way Germans speak English like Americans? That must really annoy the Brits.
The transformation has been unbelievable. Seemed unable to do anything productive last year. Looked awkward, clumsy, lost. Now a fringe first-round draft pick?!? Unreal.
He's not leaving. He'll be a lottery pick next year.
He might leave if he's a surefire first rounder. The guys saw what happened with Levert.
But with the right development next season, I think you're right that the lottery is a real possibility. The guy is still all kinds of awkward, but bulk up a bit and keep improving and he'll be an absolute monster next season.
To be fair, they also saw what happened with Trey, Mitch, GR3, and Sauce. All of them are NBA caliber players, but have struggled during their first few years in the league. Caris may be having the best rookie season out of the five mentioned. I know Trey averaged almost 13/gm his first two seasons, but he was incredibly inefficient. He never hit 40% from the field or 35% from three.
Beilien could point to Caris as an example of what staying does for someone in the long run
Mitch's problems are far from just being injury prone and you know that.
Nik stayed TWO years and aparently you do not know that.
Glenn stayed two years, you don't seem to know that either.
Nik definitely was hurt by not being more physically prepared for the NBA.
From what I have heard, GRIII has regrets about leaving - he's gone through a lot of struggles that were inevitable because he wasn't ready.
You lump Burke in, who is the only one *everyone* agrees left at the right time.
So basically, you've got one statement that everyone agrees with and the rest of your post is shit.
March 19th, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^
"I never said Mitch's only issue was being injured, but he failed drug tests while at Michigan. So again, being here longer wasn't going to fix that."
Do you even understand how college works? This is just a crazy sentence that you posted. The worst possible thing for Mitch McGary was to get tossed into the unstructured life of NBA rookiedom. Particularly to get tossed into the wilderness that is being a rookie in the NBA who plays sparingly. Of course, the NCAA pretty much pushed him out the door with their idiocy.*
So yes, another year of college was exactly what Mitch needed. Unless you're a fucking fatalistic nihilist.
As to Nik, I'll never criticize someone for going when they're going to be a lottery pick. I was for Nik going because you just can't pass up that kind of guarantee. And the study I posted shows why you shouldn't pass up that guarantee.
But people like you will never understand the downside of being a non-functional guy on an NBA roster. It can destroy players entirely. Stauskas will never be a star in the league, but he's carved out space for himself - finally - as a rotation player - a part that has some functional utility. His first year in the league was hell. The fans hated him and DeMarcus Cousins was brutal to him, mostly because he's insane, but also because he was pissed off the Kings drafted a non-contributor. It's a great thing he got moved to Philly and he's finally settled in to being a rotation player.
GRIII's experience was not as dramatic but it was lousy enough that he apparently regrets leaving early, despite the cash. The fact is that he wasn't ready to play/contribute to an NBA team. NBA teams are looking for future value, but they're also looking for present value unless the upside is extreme. GRIII was waived multiple times, sent to the NBDL, etc.
Why? Because as I point out in the study I posted below, no one really had any significant investment in him. No one gives a crap about 2nd rounders who aren't immediately ready to play. You don't want to be one of those if you can avoid it.
GRIII finally seems to have a home with the Pacers. Because he's finally a guy with some utility in the pros and not a non-contributing bench player.
* obviously, Michigan is not the ideal place to kick a marijuana habit, but college is definitely a place to grow up, and Mitch definitely needed another year of growing up.
March 19th, 2017 at 11:16 PM ^
March 19th, 2017 at 11:45 PM ^
but go ahead and don't read it.
You continue to gloss over pretty much everything: the maturing Mitch could have done with another year under this staff; the difference between a non-contributor on an NBA team and a rotation player; and the difference between getting waived twice and "everyone struggling."
I'm done with my part in this conversation.
March 20th, 2017 at 12:42 AM ^
Not being a homer, but the 2018 draft is the most loaded draft since the Lebron, Melo, D-Wade draft. 2019 is much weaker.
He would be wise to wait another year , guarantee the lottery, and work himself into the top 10.
This year's draft is the 2017 draft (and yes it's quite loaded). Next year's draft is expected to have less talent.
Wagner can be a top-10 pick an All-Conference or All-American season as a junior. Same applies for DJ Wilson.
Well, this should get Chad Ford some clicks. That's the point, right? Long-term potential of Mo and DJ aside, no one's seriously suggesting that a draft position will swing twenty picks based on a couple of games, right? Right?
THEN WE BETTER WIN THE DAMN THING THIS YEAR THEN NO?!??
DJ is only 5'9" the hair is fooling you Chad.
What is it about the NBA that single game outbursts seem to drastically alter guy's draft stock? The NFL certainly doesn't salivate over single game performances in the same way.
his 41% three point percentage also speaks loudly.............no way he gets out of the 1st round as most of the good teams would take his as a project. Can create his own shot which is huge in NBA. Obviously another year be nice and guarantee him likely top 15 pick.
But you see guys like 6-11 Henry Ellenson last year in 1st round and Mitch Mcgary went 1st round after basically only one real season and neither had near same level of offensive talent as Wagner.
but don't lose sight that he wasn't doing this against like elite talent - Louisville switched everything - much of Mo's success was from exploiting guys not used to defending the post or guys who are certainly not 4's. He's got a lot of nice moves near the rim, but in Louisville he was facing a very specific type of defense. Louisville's #1 priority was to keep UM off the 3 point line (thus switching everything). Turns out we have other weapons that made them pay.
NFL teams do the same thing plenty of times when players are in big game situations against top flight talent.
/whaps Chad Ford with a rolled up newspaper again
It's also worth noting that Wagner's already turned down pro money once to come here in the first place. Had a contract in Berlin if he wanted it.
holy crap. great minds....
Mo Wagner turned down a contract back home to play college ball as a student athlete.
My guess is he's back for one more year. Then, Mo "Dirk Part Two" Wagner.
I would say that's fair enough, and I will add that I would not be averse to Michigan being able to advertise itself as the "second home of the other Dirk Nowitzki". That has a weird ring to it, but a nice ring all the same.
Das ist nicht so gut.
Chad Ford was the biggest guy hyping up Darko. He's a charlatan, NBA execs. Nothing to see here.
Quietly and respectfully asking Mr. Ford to STFU. Good for Mo and DJ to get such high praise with two more years to polish their Lottery pick positions and their UM degrees.
Jabrill*