CFP: Musical Chairs

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It's a slow day on the Board and thought this might be an interesting topic.  So, which Power 5 conference gets stiffed in the College Football Playoffs this year?

 

Personally, I like the fact that there are 4 spots and 5 main conferences + other possible conferences that could sneak in. At least one P5 conference will miss out every year. The Big 12 was odd man out in 2015 and the Pac 12 took the hit this past year.

 

So, which P5 conference loses this year's game of CFP musical chairs?  My bet is that it's the ACC, based on overall weakness of the conference.   Predictions?

Blue In NC

May 13th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^

ACC has Clemson and FSU among others.  Good chance that one of them gets in.  In fact, with Michigan having a tough road schedule and OSU and MSU possibly taking a step back, the B1G could be on the outside looking in.  Pac12 may be questionable also.

Pit2047

May 13th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^

I'd guess the Pac-12 beats itself up again and is left out. FSU and Clemson look like top 7 teams and one of them should make the playoff (and neither plays ND this year). Between Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU, the Big-12 should get a bid and I fully expect the B1G (Us) and SEC (LSU or Bama) champs to be in. I don't think ND can get through their schedule this year with less than 2 losses and screw up the whole system.

drzoidburg

May 13th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^

yeah nd is always the wild card with a lot of drama attached. Nothing would force them to join a conference, or for the playoff to expand, than for nd to be left out with 0-1 loss, or to knock out a 0-1 loss conference winner. Last year it very nearly happened had they beaten stanford

SAMgO

May 13th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^

I think it's the PAC 12 again.

SEC is going to be in, that's just the way it is these days.

It's going to be impossible to win the Big Ten East with more than one loss, and whichever team wins our division should be plenty strong enough to roll over the west division winner. Two spots filled.

The strength (or lack thereof) of the ACC actually plays into the hands of FSU and Clemson. They can skate through their schedule and have their matchup become a de-facto national quarterfinal. Unless Miami or UNC steps up with a big upset, it shouldn't be too hard to get a highly ranked, possibly undefeated ACC champ that will be a playoff lock, regardless of their SOS.

Similar things can be said for the Big 12 as the ACC. Oklahoma, Baylor, and to a lesser extent TCU seem to be the clear cream of the crop in that conference. If TCU falls off and OU and Baylor are able to pretty easily get through their schedules, that winner gets in without even having to play a CCG.

In the PAC, you've got depth, historical wackiness, and a tough championship game. They're also playing late night games that get less exposure, which doesn't help them in the rankings. On top of that, there isn't a team that seems primed to roll through the schedule. Stanford loses Hogan and everyone else has their own issues.

stephenrjking

May 13th, 2016 at 6:26 PM ^

I find your arguments very persuasive. I don't like the idea of a conference missing out two years in a row while the rest make it, but the Pac 12 does not have an obvious dominant team. Meanwhile, the other three non-B1G conferences are all top-heavy and should produce a team with a quality win or two and an acceptable record.

To be honest, the B1G could be worrisome. If Michigan runs the table, of course, we're in--but lose two of our tough road games and all bets are off for the whole conference. OSU could easily lose to Oklahoma early, drop one more game in the conference, and have no shot at the playoff. MSU is likely to regress. Nobody from the west is going to get any respect at all.

It could be Michigan or bust.

...So let's make it Michigan.

M-Dog

May 14th, 2016 at 12:13 PM ^

As long as it is Michigan - and we get in - I don't care what happens.

I will have to admit, it works to our advantage that OSU won the NC and beat the SEC champ while doing it.  It puts the Big Ten toward the top of the CFP musical chair foodchain.

In case people forget, before that the Big Ten was viewed as one of the weakest conferences and would be among the first to be outside looking in.

A 0 or 1 loss Big Ten champ Michigan gets in the playoff.  A 2 loss Michigan Big Ten Champ gets in only of there is chaos everywhere else.

 

MC5-95

May 13th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^

If Michigan State wins the B1G again (they won't), then the B1G gets left out. It's going to take them a while to live down that shellacking Alabama gave them. 

BursleysFinest

May 13th, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

Pac12 I'm confident there will be a Stanford or Oregon that will rise above the rest oft he conference.  Would put my money on either the Big10 (Michigan, OSU, MSU) or the Big12 (TCU, Oklahoma, Baylor) beating each other up and no single team having the resume... hopefully the Big12 and not us.

bronxblue

May 13th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^

I honestly think the Big Ten will this year. OSU will be reloading a bit, MSU won't be as good, and UM could very well lose two games this year. The West won't have another Iowa in then, so that side will at best be a spoiler. The Pac 12 could also suffer if Stanford loses a couple, since nobody else seems super strong.

The Mad Hatter

May 13th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^

Because this is our year of revenge.  We will destroy our rival (and MSU) in their own house and hear the lamentations of their cheerleaders and truck drivers.

If I had to guess on who gets left out I'd say the Big 12.  I think the SEC and Big 10 get in every year unless their champ has 2+ losses.

goblue224

May 13th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^

I don't think the B12 has much say in what happens from a political point of view in the committee room. Tyrone Willingham - P12/ND Bias Steve Wieberg - Missouri Grad/SEC Bias Condoleezza Rice - P12 Bias Dan Radakovich - Clemson AD/ACC Bias Rob Mullens - Oregon AD/P12 Bias Jeff Long - Arkansas AD/SEC Bias Bobby Johnson - Former Vandy HC/SEC Bias Tom Jernstedt - Former Oregon Player/P12 Bias Herb Deromedi - Former CMU HC (Michigan Grad)/B10 Bias Lloyd Carr - Awesome/B10 Bias Jeff Bower - Former S. Miss HC/SEC Bias via Region Barry Alvarez - Former UW HC now AD/B10 Bias Kirby Hocutt (Chair) - Texas Tech AD/B12 Bias

goblue224

May 13th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^

Big 12 is getting left out this year. Last year they benefited by having a defacto play-in situation the way the schedules setup with their top teams playing each other in the last couple weeks of the season. However this year not so much. Im assuming we'll see the same two/three teams in OU, Baylor, and TCU, but they matchup earlier rather than later this time around.

LSAClassOf2000

May 13th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

It seems like the Big 12 has the largest inherent structural disadvantage as a conference, but as someone mentioned, last year they had what amounted to a play-in within the conference and managed to get themselves a spot in the top four. That being said, I'll go with the Big 12 by default for that and for the fact that - like the SEC - they don't usually load their OOC schedule with substance, although there are noted exceptions. 

UMBSnMBA

May 13th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^

Will go a long ways towards determining whether or not the Big 12 gets in.  If the Buckeyes win on the road in Norman, that may be all it takes for the Big 12 to be on the outside looking in. 

1VaBlue1

May 13th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^

Unless the PAC 12 rep would be USC or UCLA, it'll be left out.  Any other team out there will have to go undefeated, and I don't see that happening.  The exception might be a one loss Stanford or Oregon - IF the B1G rep has 2 losses or comes from the West via a CCG upset.

drzoidburg

May 13th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^

they won't have to go undefeated when you look at baylor's schedule...any team other than oklahoma (and texas, but they suck) will be given a 1 loss disadvantage minimum against the other 4 conferences. We saw that plainly 2 years ago and last year up until baylor/tcu lost to make them indisputably out of the running

drzoidburg

May 13th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^

it'll be the texas conference again, unless a conference winner has 3-4 losses like pac-12 last year. The possible exception is oklahoma again, because they face ohio state, so they'll be given some leeway if they can win

having said that, i believe only usc or ucla has the potential to finish 11-1 or 10-2 to get the pac-12 in, and of course, usc faces alabama. I certainly hope one of those 3 will suceed to prevent a baylor type with god awful schedule getting in

Tuebor

May 13th, 2016 at 1:04 PM ^

One loss conference championship game winners are a lock to the CFP.  The only scenario I see a team that meets that criteria getting left out is if the Big 12 has an undefeated champion. 

 

The reason the Pac 12 was left out last season was because their champion, Stanford, had two losses.  The reason the Big 12 was left out in 2014 was because both Baylor and TCU had one loss and the other four conference championship game winners had 0 or 1 loss.

 

 

Blue In NC

May 13th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^

Pac-12 rep mistakenly nominates UCLA, despite a 6-6 record, to represent the conference.  Nomination results in giggles from playoff committee.  Therefore, Pac-12 excluded.

It's science!

Perkis-Size Me

May 13th, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^

I bet the Pac 12 gets left out. No one looks like a world beater in that conference coming into next year, unless either Rosen or McCaffery literally carry their respective teams by themselves.

Both are possible since they're both dynamic players, but I doubt it.



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M-Dog

May 14th, 2016 at 12:25 PM ^

My concern is that politics plays into it and they don't want to leave the Pac 12 / Big 12 / ND out multiple times in only 3 years.  It's stupid, but it could happen.

And if it does, you know it won't be the SEC they leave out.  If it's Michigan as the champion of a Big Ten that is perceived as down, we will make a tempting target to all the people that want to see Harbaugh knocked down a peg.  And you know there are many.

That's why it is not in our interest to root against OSU when they play OU and MSU when they play ND.  It will be hard to avoid our default tendency, but we have to do it. Discipline people.