I love that "are the celebrations too excessive?" is our concern today.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
I love that "are the celebrations too excessive?" is our concern today.
I didn't see it.
DRob a little, Shaw for sure, and he dragged other players into it.
DRob? Like when he took a knee?
Shaw was dangerously close to an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. It looked as if his teammates had to restrain him, and the referees got in the middle of it too.
Because from what I can see on the replay, the ref was pretty much telling him "back to your bench, son." That kind of celebration really doesn't get flagged very often, if at all.
See also: Tate, last year's ND game; Mike Hart, 2008 Capital One Bowl; everyone, every year, Ohio State v. Michigan.
But the rule changed this year. They are enforcing it pretty strictly.
Having said that, this thread is lame. Enjoy the win people.
I don't think the definition of "excessive" celebration changed this year. IIRC, the rule change was simply the ability of refs to take away a touchdown if the celebration begins before the player reaches the end zone.
They have certainly cracked down in recent years, but the standard remains the same.
I see. I must have misunderstood.
Golden Tate was flagged last year for trying to "shh" the crowd. In my opinion, Shaw's celebration was almost as excessive. Forward to about 3:40...
I don't see how it was excessive. I don't know what he was saying but unless he was doing that in a UCONN player's face, I can't ever seeing him get flagged for that.
I'm pretty sure Jordan Todman "shh"ed the crowd yesterday after his touchdown run and wasn't called for a penalty.
And he got nailed because it was aimed at opposing fans. Shaw was directing his jubilation at his own fans.
was a taunt to the opposing crowd. Shaw was just pumped and at the home crowd.
we have endured, I think celebrating every win is in order.
Yeah, Denard was really pushing the line and showboating when he dropped to a knee in prayer right after scoring a TD.
No doubt, the thugs that Rod recruits...
I agree, such a lack of FAMILY values. This makes me sick.
I can not imagine a player with more humility, then Denard has shown so far.
They're just young guys who haven't been there before.
Under Lloyd Carr things weren't that much different. I remeber Mike Hart did a lot of taunting during the 2008 Capital One bowl vs. Florida.
Edit: And for the record, I didn't really see any showboating. Although I was at the game and didn't watch on tv.
I think that was Arrington. Regardless, I agree... That taunt was dope.
For like five seconds I was looking for excessive celebrations and then I forgot because that game was awesome
Arrington pounding the ball on Manningham's helmet is classic.
Thanks for posting this. I never get sick of watching that game.
After that night, Tim Tebow started wearing Chad Henne pajamas.
I certainly don't see how, for example, Denard giving the ball to the ref and keeling to pray is "excessive." On the whole, Michigan was quite restrained, and most of the celebrating was team-oriented. The worst thing I see happening is that someone will get a penalty down the line, and RR will use it as a "teachable moment."
Considering what has happened in Ann Arbor the last two years, this is a "problem" that is good to have.
you can count me as one who might say, let's not wait for a penalty, for a "teachable moment."
So I don't exactly say to the OP, "You're overreacting." It is just funny, that television gave that appearance, while being in the stadium didn't give me that impression at all. This could be one time that a particular up-close sideline camera caught something that the larger stadium crowd did not see, while they were all high-fiving each other.
I was fired up seeing our players celebrate. I understand your concern, as you could see the ref basically saying, "Get back to your bench or I'm pulling this flag." every time we scored, but compared to UConn? We were jazzed to score - all our players seemed so absolutely, genuinely happy when their teammates scored. We were hungry for this game! Conversely, looking back at the highlights, UConn players seemed to say "Meh" when they scored... I'll take an occasional penalty if it means we're fired up and hungry.
Yes, you are overreacting. They worked hard all summer and when they had success, they expressed some excitement. Wait until they get flagged multiple times, in multiple games to worry about it. Let's Go Blue!
i do remember a ref pushing one of the players to break up a celebration...anyone remember that and/or who it was?
It was Shaw. I thought the ref's reaction was a bit excessive, actually. Koger seemed to pull Shaw out of there, though. It wasn't even close to being out of hand or over the line, in my opinion.
I sort of noticed the same thing when I rewatched the game this morning. I think the general interpretation by the refs is that if you do something alone its a problem, but if you are cheering with your teamates they generally let it go. On at least 2 of the touchdowns, I think we came close to getting a penalty. On one TD you specifically see the UM player face the crowd and get fired up, and while he is doing this the ref is jawing right at him, I would imagine telling him to tone it down, happily his teamates mob him right then so it became a moot point. I am all for celebration and lord knows the kids earned it, but if I was Richrod I would simply tell the players remember to celebrate with your teamates as a group, that way nothing will get called...
Nothing was premeditated. There was a lot of enthusiasm after Shaw's touchdown, but his teammates came over and made sure he stopped celebrating before the refs had to become involved.
probably because I was too busy excessively celebrating with the rest of the crowd.
It really bothers me when the officials get in the face of the players telling them not to celebrate. The player has just scored in front of 113,090 people, they were beating a team that many said they would lose to, its the first game of the year its exciting. Let them play, let them celebrate. The officials need to back off on celebrations as long as its not taunting let the kids have some fun.
They're welcome to celebrate as enthusiastically as they want, with the team. It's just when the celebration is directed at the crowd that you get into trouble. It's a fair enough rule IMO because any scorer ought to be content to celebrate with his team and not by showboating for the crowd.
I thought they were fine all day yesterday, there was one that was pushing the line, I think it was Shaw. Fortunately the ref kind of got in his way and headed him off after 3-4 seconds, nice of him to do that instead of just standing back and having to throw a flag.
You'd think we lost yesterday with all these posts that are showing up since the game ended. Purdue's QB doing a flip into the endzone was excessive. Nothing that the Michigan players did was anywhere near being excessive.
I think people don't know how to react to good news anymore. Michigan has done a full 180, going from expecting to succeed to expecting to fail. Every time I hear someone saying "we are going to light up Notre Dame" I cringe and hope they aren't jinxing it.
It wasn't an emotional game or anything
I don't think they were excessive but officials seem to be much more strict on celebrations this year. It'll be much easier to get flagged.
1:36 - V. Smith scores. Tosses ball to the official, points skyward, chest-bumps teammates.
2:40 - D. Rob scores. takes a knee, hugs teammates.
3:45 - Shaw scores, tosses ball to official, celebrates in general direction of student section.
7:15 - V. Smith scores, tosses ball to the official, gives half-hug to teammates.
No one spiked the ball. No one did a flip or a dive. No one posed. No one made any effort to taunt an opponent. And none of the celebrations lasted more than like 15 seconds.
In summary, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can't we just be freeking HAPPY FOR ONCE? The team played a clean game. They played fast. They dictated play. They didn't turn the ball over. Many good things happened. Few bad things happened.
This reinforces my recollection, but I was high-fiving all three rows around me, so perhaps I wasn't giving the field my full attention as I looked for reasons to find things UNACCEPTABLE.
No, I don't see a problem. (I hadn't seen one, where I was sitting, either.)
Yes, I think it is a bit overwrought to worry about Michigan getting tagged for celebration penalties, from what we see in this broadcast video. I know that refs are cracking down this year; but that doesn't seem to come close to me. (Is there some phrasing to this rule? I'd like to see the language that the refs are now supposed to apply.)
Yes, if the refs start flagging the kinds of celebration on these video highlights, it will be "rediculus."
I think that on the Shaw play, the refs weren't trying to detect an excessive celebration, they were trying to quell what they thought might become excessive. Shaw can tone that down, by about 25%, and be just fine.
You keep running hard, Michael. And having fun, and scoring touchdowns.
ND this weekend? Their new QB runs one in to make the score 20 - 11 and does one of those diving flips "after" he crosses the goal line. 15 yard penalty and ND returns the ensuing kickoff to the Purdue 40. "That Guy" was showboating and they were losing....Our team was just enjoying the moment together.....
I think I hate Purdue more then MSU now. I want us to put at least 50 on them this year. Coach Hope is the anit-Christ.......
Stop the whining. Who are we the Free Press? Stop nit picking at every single negative thing that went on yesterday.
Let the kids play. Let the kids celebrate. I love seeing the emotion after big plays and TD's.
"That was a bit excessive."
This the exact quote my wife uttered after I slid across the kitchen floor during the Robinson touchdown run. My hamstring is still a little tender. It could've been avoided but I'm not allowed to wear shoes in the house!
And the grass around the stadium wasn't as green as it could have been either. We should fire somebody.
I don’t expect a Carr style “You have been here before and will be again, stone face up” because RichRod seems more outgoing. However, they seem to really be pushing the excess celebration rules.
Revisionist history is fun. Charles Woodson, David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Shawn Crable and Mike Hart never talked trash. Never!
And he only recruited high-character guys with great GPAs and a full compliment of Boy Scout merit badges.
When I saw some kids go back for extra bottles of water after they had already received their bottles. What can we do about these kind of things?
Vincent Smith is lucky he wasn't penalized for extending his arm higher than a 45-degree angle to the horizon. Just more of the kind of thuggery you can expect from a Rich Rod recruit.
Did anyone else notice the excessive number of fans in the stadium? The UConn fans were surely upset about this. Can we do anything about that?
I see nothing excessive about Ricky Stanzi's friend's celebration.
I am thinking the celebrations were more of an excitement to take out their frustrations on a team not wearing maize and blue.
Here's an UNACCEPTABLE celebration for you: dex, myself, Ninja, and jamiemac hugging it out after every touchdown. I'm slightly concerned now.
Now I'm going to have nightmares. Thanks a lot.
I dont recall that much hugging. makes me nervous that I drank too much and forgot things. And I'm sure I dont want to remember what i've forgot. I had some weird stiching markings around my kidneys when I got up this morning. I think I may have been skin suited
WLA members sure have some pretty sweet season ticket locations. Of course, like true communists, they are willing to share with their comrades, which is good for proletarians like myself. Spasibo!
This should not be a concern of yours when it was never penalized during the game. Just concentrate on what we have to do to get better offensively, defensively, and on special teams.
BOOOOOO. This thread sucks.
We only celebrated once per touchdown.
College kids enjoying the moments and fun after months of intense work. From what I read about a Rodriguez practice, the games are like a trip to the ice cream shop. The reward.
Nothing stood out with me. I think we have a lot of classy guys who knows how it feels to be on the receiving end of defeat and aren't anxious to inflict a taunt on others.
I would assume that when the replay of #4 on the list of best moments in Big House history was being celebrated by the assembled UM multitudes, the OP sat with his arms folded and lips pursed in disapproval and concern. It's really quite disgraceful what Desmond did that day in the end zone.
Nevermind you're playing a hugely emotional, high energy game that you've prepared for and anticipated for months and months, around which several jets have flown over, massive marching bands play in great pomp and circumstance, lame men walk, and 113,090 people gather to cheer on their team. Nope. Players should just hand over the ball with a straight face, get in a single file line and neatly walk in step, arms at their sides back to their bench. During which, the crowd and cheering fans should not be acknowledged any time, for any reason.
Why don't we just create a list and regulate which kind of actions are acceptable? Then we can check instant replay to dispute things like whether the player lifted his hand in celebration above the level of his shoulder, which would be a 5 yard penalty. Jumping up and down more than 3 times would result in a 15 yarder on kickoff.
F that, and F you.
My solution: Players can celebrate any way they want for 3 seconds. Vulgarity, middle fingers, hip thrusting, whatever.
Wake up and smell the Juan Valdez...
went down. I didn't see that on the TV feed. That is truly unacceptable...but whoever it was got theirs in the end. I'm sure Edsall will address that in his own way...if he saw it.
You're concerned about the celebrations yesterday? One of the greatest moments in our history is Desmond celebrating by doing the Heisman pose in the endzone! Arrogance is part of our tradition, even if people don't like it. I'll take an excessive celebration penalty every time if it means we just put 6 on the board.
If rich thinks it was too much he'll take care of it.
I didn't think our players were overly celebrating, but I definitely thought the referees made it a point to be right there to break up any activity and point players off the field. It's almost like they were Security Guards at a rock concert trying to direct a Mosh pit. I'm not worried about our players, but I'm worried that the referees are a little more concerned with it than they should've been.
Man, I know this is On Topic and everything, but where's Geaux_Blue when you need him.
Come on Happy Shooter. Cant you just enjoy the win, the holiday weekend and work on your Vinny Smith wiggle move, bounce off a safety, sprint into the end zone and point in celebration with the folks in Section 14.
We dont need to be officially concerned about anything. Not today
Come, GB. Vinny was practically pointing at you way up there, cant you take this down for sheer buzz killing attempts?
Then again, it is a holiday, Maybe the whole community hasnt had a chance to negbang yet, so maybe I see the worth in leaving it up after all.
I saw this thread title and thought to myself....wow really? It was just as bad as I imagined.
These type of celebrations wouldn't even be looked at twice by officials in other conferences. Maybe RR should make a pre-emptive plea to the conference head officials office to make the rules equal and fair in all conferences? As a former player myself, I don't agree with taunting and I certainly don't think we should institute a "Big House Leap" (although that would rock - a la Roy Roundtree's spring game leap) but lets not take all the fun out of sports for the athletes.
I am not that familiar with what draws a penalty in the college game all I have to say on that front is that if we do get an excessive celebration penalty we better learn from it and never get a second one.
But from a personal standpoint I love seeing guys express spontaneous happiness at success, there's jumping and hugging and high-fives just among fans. A premeditated ocho-cinco-style celebration bothers me, but I didn't see that yesterday and I generally don't in college.