That's how folks roll in the MGoBubble. RR gets excuses. Assistants hired by RR get fired.
I think you will get your wish.
That's how folks roll in the MGoBubble. RR gets excuses. Assistants hired by RR get fired.
There is no "disparity" in thought regarding RR and GERG. RR's job is to get his own people in and win games. GERG's job is to coach the players RR gets him and stop someone once in awhile. Besides, RR's passion is offense, and his offense has done quite well. They are number six in total offense in the country, and Denard is number three individually.
Most people who want GERG gone think that the philosophical differences regarding the 3-3-5 between him and RR is a detriment to the offense. When the DC doesn't agree with the HC, it is the DC who usually departs.
I have mixed emotions on GERG. I want to see what he can do without having to have seven freshmen in his two-deep, but I don't know if RR, assuming he stays, can take the risk of the defense not becoming at least average under him. If RR does make it back, this will be his determining year. He won't have any of his own fifth-year players, but he will have plenty of fourth-year players who were pressed into action early.
Two big rivals, MSU and OSU, are losing a lot of people next year. Michigan's schedule really looks like they have a chance to start 10-0 going into the Nebraska game if things go right. This is assuming, of course, that the players aren't having to learn how to run the pro set.
All the defense really has to do next year is be average for Michigan to have a great chance to make it to the BTC game next year, where maybe a little revenge on Wiscy for this year would be appropriate.
Consequently, it is more essential that RR comes back than it is that GERG comes back. That is no "disparity of thought;" it is just logic.
Although I would add that I think it's a waste of everyone's time to keep Gerg around if RR is insisting on him running the 3-3-5. Michigan loses games because he isn't a 3-3-5 specialist, Gerg's resume takes a hit, and RR probably loses his job.
Either let Gerg run his scheme or let him go someplace he can (try to) succeed. Personally, I don't think he's a very good coach, but then again, who the hell am I?
The 3-3-5 isn't brain surgery, it doesn't take more time than an off season of tinkering to get a hold of it for your self, you still have to play football in the end. This team is horrific on defense because we don't have any players to field, none of them make it here. Which brings us back to Rich Rodriguez.
The idea, that you ignore, is that a coach should get 4 years and get to coach upperclassmen. Which is liberally applied to Rich Rod, but ignored with GERG. It's Rich Rod job, no matter his passion, to be head coach, not offensive coordinator. That winning games thing you mention. And his passion or his team weren't doing so hot in his second year with underclassmen, which is where GERG is at right now. The difference is the same people who want Rich kept for those reasons don't think they apply to Robinson. And when you're on your second defensive coordinator in 3 years not on the same page as the head coach, that's a flaw in head coaching, not on the assistants.
I won't get into how likely 10-0 is, but it certainly can be said the head coach is more important to achieving success than any assistant. But while logical, keeping a head coach because you believe it's the road to more wins is a completely different argument than "a coach deserves 4 years". One is based on blatant self-interest; the other is based on "fairness". And there's really no logically consistency between the two. Either you believe the best action to take is to be fair and give Rich (and thus GERG too) 4 years, OR you think you should do whatever's best to win - can Robinson, keep Rich, get rid of Rich, or even keep GERG if you think that's best. But not both.
The use of "MgoBubble" is already tiresome and kind of stupid...and you have been using it for less than a day.
I've noticed that Dahblue has been referencing "MGoBubble" for nearly 3 weeks. Starting here:
I completely agree with you though; it's a very ignorant label on the readers of MGoBlog. What makes the label so ironic is that, by completely disregarding any rationale that has been pointed out on the pro-RR side of the Michigan fanbase, he creates his own "MGoBubble" in the process.
Not so fast, my friend. While I appreciate your good eye with regard to the MGoBubble (a term I coined some time back and was encouraged to post about further), there is no reason to disregard any pro-RR rationale. Indeed, he has done well at other schools. He does have a young team. He is a Michigan Man. He cares deeply for his players.
The difference for those in the MGoBubble is that they cannot accept the notion that RR might not be the guy for Michigan. There are arguments for both sides, but those in the Bubble refuse to even acknowledge that a reasonable person might want RR fired.
Not sure who you are referring to in this bubble. I support RR, but if he was let go and JH or BH or someone else replaced him. I would be fine. Not a big fan of if we don't get JH, we keep RR. You fire RR if he hasn't done the job. You don't keep him if you think he has failed.
Only problem I have, is that I wish we were done and we can move forward with RR or not.
Excellent straw man!!
Head coaches are responsible for more than DCs are. The defense is FAR below average. The football team is NOT far below average.
Therefore Gerg is doing a much worse job than RR.
i think this game is huge for public perception. a win would silence some and calm many. a loss will bring the anti-RR noise to a fever-pitch I think. even though it's against the #20 team. ESPECIALLY, if we do another "go down by 20 in the first half, fight back to make it look respectable, lose" type game
I'm just hoping RR stays one more year regardless, I like this offense, and with an improved defense, I like where things are heading...my only concern would be size and toughness against Big Ten foes, but maybe another year under Barwis in the weight room will help...
You see no disparity whatsoever? None? Good lord.
Short of coming out and destroying them like 50-0, this game won't change my opinion at all.
I'm not sure that will happen at this point, regardless of the bowl game, but I believe a coach should be given four years.
That being said, if we come out completely flat and get rolled, it will be very deflating. The PSU game was a breaking point for many this year, myself nearly included. I want RR back. I think he will turn the corner, but I can understand the reasoning of those who feel otherwise.
No matter what happens, I'm just excited to see our boys in a bowl game again. They earned it, and I will be cheering very loudly from my couch.
I just don't understand why Penn State changed the opinions of people. It was a night game at Penn State. Very hostile environment, especially for the young team that we have. Penn State also played the QB who gave them the best chance to win. Robert Bolden will end up being a very good quarterback but he was replaced by a QB who is more productive and makes less mistakes. People who are rational about Michigan's lack of experience, especially on defense, should not be surprised that we lost to Penn State.
I believe RR is back regardless of the Gator Bowl outcome. His losses this season have been to really good, experienced football teams. Michigan is not an experienced football team at this point. Next year will be a very successful year after RR is brought back to coach. Patience Michigan fans. I hope some of the Michigan faithful make a New Years resolution to cultivate their patience, it really is a virtue.
Just my opinion, not sure of others, but my support of RR definitely was shaken by PSU. I understand that it's tough to play there, but I thought we were a better team. I thought after 2 weeks off, we would see some new plays and renewed intensity. Instead they came out flat on offense and the defense couldn't stop anything. Same old mistakes from the previous losses were repeated. I know the defense is young and everything, but the bye week seemed like it hurt us rather than help us.
Also, after the loss, I was worried about making a bowl and having a winning record. ILL beat PSU soundly and I was worried that we couldn't beat them the next week. Before the loss, I couldn't understand why people were not willing to give RR a chance, after the loss, I could see why. In short, just looked like a team that either wasn't coached well and needed a change. Again, just my opinion.
....And what should have been an easy one at that, against a team without an identity, starting a walk-on sophmore quarterback, under achieving (up to that point) running back. It was the perfect set-up for a signature win for the RRod program at U-M at night on National Television in front of a hostile crowd and instead he laid a giant egg and showed that this team was a pretender against the top tier of the B10, something that was borne out against Wisky and the Buckeyes. Way back in '97 a Michigan team established it's identity against a really good PSU team in the same setting. RRod couldn't get it done against a PSU team that really isn't that good. The table was set RRod failed to deliver. He needs to go....
+ winning bowl game in florida where are pipeline is only makes it stronger which makes me want to see what that will do for this and next years recruiting class.
- I've only been alive for 19 years but cheering hard for the blue for 16 and these last 3 have absolutely tore my heart out and I live in Ohio on top of it so immediate success would be much nice.
- hell we're michigan, what happened to 5 stars just falling into our laps and 8/9 win seasons being down years?
- was watching the 1986 nebraska game and I must say JH looks good in Maize and Blue and I wouldn't mind seeing pride stickers again but thats just me. (wish i was alive for that game)
So overall I'm still in between because I have a sick obsession with recruiting and a win in Florida might be fantastic from a recruiting stand point for RR but how much longer must I deal with this pain (of living in Ohio) (near .500 seasons)
No, Bowl games are meaningless outside of the championship game. And do you really want to gauge your season/coach on MissSt?
Personally, the bowl game won't change my stance either way. I have felt that RR, or any head coach for that matter, needs at least 4 years. That gives the players, that were recruited by that coach, the time to become upper classmen. A blowout loss would probally cause me to lose some faith going forward, but it wouldn't change my ultimate opinion.
As far the disconnect that some posters brought up, between RR being given a 4th year and GERG not being given more than 2 years, the logic for that is pretty simple to me. RR has had quite a bit of success in the last ten years, at WVU. Meanwhile GERG has produced only one good defense in 10 years. Don't get wrong the hiring of GERG does fall on RR ultimately, and I still don't understand why it was made. The difference between the two, however, is that there is some evidence based on WVU's success under RR to believe he could be successful here if given more time, while GERG has shown almost nothing the last 10 years to make you think that.
I certainly understand the opinion on the other side of the keep RR or not debate, but I think there is a rational base for the difference of opinion between RR and GERG.
NO more need be said than Rich = Good Coach, GERG = Bad Coach. The disconnect comes in your statement that every coach deserves 4 years with upperclassmen. Either every coach does, and that includes Robinson, or sometimes coaches don't....and that COULD possibly include Rich. It's just not fair to have it both ways.
For those wanting him fired; they'll still think that regardless of the game's outcome.
For those wanting to be retained; they'll still think that regardless of the game's outcome.
The only people that may be affected are those that are undecided or apathetic about it all. They could start to lean one way or the other after this. But not all that far.
Our offense is on path to do some serious damage in the future thanks to RR. Our defensive secondary isn't what it needs to be. Although they are you young I'd like to see them get burned playing aggressive man coverage than guarding space and making a move on the receiver 20 yards after the catch. It's like they play 60 min. of prevent D. GR just claps and says it's OK. No it's not. Someone needs to teach aggressiveness and awareness. His philosophy sucks. Someone teach the secondary to be playmakers...PLEASE
that's not something you can simply teach.