CC: Vegas odds Harbaugh to UM Was 8-1 Now 2-1
I don't know much about sports betting, but that's a huge jump. What does that tell you people who know about sports betting?
Jim Harbaugh 2015 Coaching odds suspended after a stream of bets on Michigan moved them from 8-1 to 2-1 yesterday afternoon
— Sportsbook.com ® (@Sportsbook_com) December 6, 2014
December 6th, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^
Yes, but it is of my opinion that he would rather stay in San Francisco if given the opportunity and a firing from the 49ers would likely happen at the end of their season.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^
The details of how and when Harbuagh and the 49ers part ways wasn't really my point. I just think Jim would rather stay in San Fransico where his family is and where he has a competitive team rather than uprooting and starting from scratch elsewhere.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:21 PM ^
Though I tend to agree that Jim is the odd man out in San Francisco, they still have an outside shot at the playoffs. Which means Jim is going to put all his focus into making that happen and prove to Jed York, Trent Baalke and the San Francisco fans that he deserves to keep his job. Winning is the thing he has the most control of, so why not at least try to so he doesn't have to uproot his family?
December 6th, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
I just said I agreed with you. You're the troll, troll. He has a year left on his contract and an injury plagued rostor that should get much better next year. Even knowing he and ownership hate each other, it isn't crazy to reason that he doesn't want to leave the place he's called home for the last decade.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:31 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11958347/san-francisco-49ers-make-jim-harbaugh-call-season
"If the 49ers can pull off a 4-0 finish to the regular season and make a run in the postseason that some in the organization are still convinced is possible, Harbaugh could land a contract extension, sources said."
All I said was that Harbaugh may think there is a chance. You guys are thick.
December 6th, 2014 at 5:01 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^
They wer 8-1 and no they are completely off the books.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^
Reminder that Vegas doesn't make predictions, they just set lines that they think will get the most action. This is utterly meaningless. More meaningless than anything that has been posted here with respect to the coaching search.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^
Vegas doesn't pull a game/prop off the books for no reason. Pulling it off the books means it gets no action.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
I'm setting the odds that Vegas doesn't know anything at 1-1.
December 6th, 2014 at 5:49 PM ^
IMO your clueless!
December 6th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^
If the line is moving so much there is certainly a reason for it!
December 6th, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^
Can someone refresh my memory? Back in late 2010 during Michigan's last coaching search, did Jim tell Michigan "no" early on? My recollection is he did, but I and many other Michigan fans were hoping he would change his mind, even while he was being vetted by the 49ers and Dolphins, up until he signed with the 49ers on January 7th. Is my recollection correct? Just want to be clear that his stance is different during this coaching search.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
Yes, you are correct. Rich Rod was fired on January 5, Jim Harbaugh was hired on January 7. So, negotiations between Jim and the 49ers by the time Rich Rod was fired.
December 6th, 2014 at 6:02 PM ^
Yeah, but most people assume that we were negotiating with Jim before we fired RichRod.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
So what they're saying is there is a 50/50 chance he says YES or NO. I kid I kid... but not really.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:01 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 6:15 PM ^
Pwned
December 6th, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
Vegas don't know nothin'. They got a boatload of money taking that 8-1, and they changed the line to balance their exposure.
With the news coming out of SF, that 8-1 didn't fit the evolving situation anymore. Actually, I don't think Vegas made that adjustment soon enough. With JUB calling it a coin toss, that line was, well, out of line.
Jim Harbaugh is very busy trying to win his next four games. He hates losing. That's where his focus is. There's no compelling reason for him to decide right now.
We can all speculate on the prevailing factors that will affect his decision, but the pundits and prognosticators are all guessing.
The obvious outpouring of affection for Jim to come home and be our coach is one positive, relevant factor. I'm sure some old teammates have tried to make a case. Hackett seems to be on the ball. What else can we do now, except well...never underestimate the power of prayer.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
They didn't just change the line. They pulled it off the board.
December 6th, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^
Odds and game lines are actually set by some pretty smart people, and are also monitored by some pretty smart people. When a bet is getting too much action, Vegas tries to limit their exposure by lowering the chance of winning on that bet or the payout for winning on that bet (e.g., by decreasing the odds or improving/increasing the odds for an opposite bet, changing a game line, etc.), which also encourages bettors to bet differently.
This is usually a slow process that involves small nudges in one direction or the other. A drastic shift - and 8-1 to 2-1 to off-the-board is drastic, especially over the course of a day - shows that something has changed or there is some new info (for example, look at the OSU vs Wisc line after JT got hurt).
This isn't quite the same as a game line changing because there is no betting "against" Harbaugh to Michigan (a lot of against bets would push the odds back up into balance with what the bettors are taking). I'd be interested to know what happened to the line on other coaches or the field. If those all proportionally increased AND the money kept coming in on Harbaugh, then you can be almost certain that Harbaugh is coming and that either something changed last night and/or some info leaked.
December 6th, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^
Seriously, that's a chump-change proposition bet for Vegas. Do you think that generates even a tiny fraction of a Mayweather fight, or the Sugar Bowl, or even one Lakers game? Not only don't they know nothin', but they don't give a darn about this action.
Hence, too unpredictable. Then crazy money comes in. Why should they waste their time?
Our best allies aren't in Vegas. They're in the Niners front office. The ego-maniac suits who are chasing JH away from San Francisco for no good reason. Michigan might offer an attractive option to those dumb, spoiled, power-tripping, rich kids own the football mentality.
December 6th, 2014 at 5:21 PM ^
Vegas only reacts to the betting public.
In this case, if the betting public is betting one position so heavily that Vegas takes that bet of the board, it signals that something has happened or some info has leaked causing the heavy betting.
December 6th, 2014 at 5:47 PM ^
Totally agree with your comments!
December 6th, 2014 at 4:44 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 4:50 PM ^
Every indication points to the simple, normal situation that Jim Harbaugh hasn't made up his mind yet. He's in a dogfight to make the playoffs. Whether that's likely or not, a competitor like JH would see that as a possibility, and be doing everything in his power to make that happen.
I'm taking his press conference comments at face value: That he's not overly concerned with the future, but is intensely focused on "Getting it right", winning the remaining games. Does anyone see JH as the sort who would spend a lot of time playing word games, when the obvious demands on his time are to coach his team to victory?
He knows he has plenty of options. There's no compelling reason for him to decide until he finds out how the rest of the season goes. So what I'm saying is: If he hasn't made a decision, how can all these pundits and prognosticators know what his decision is?
Let's all keep letting him know that we Wolverines want him to be our football coach. That's going to factor into his decision to some extent.
December 6th, 2014 at 7:16 PM ^
Oddsmakers think someone may be in the know and bets for Harbaugh kept coming in even as the odds were increased more and more.
December 6th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
I've tired to post this now a few times and something keeps screwing up on my end.I suppose that is because this is my first post here.
Going to make this condensed version and will add more if this goes thru.
I've been here in LV for 6.5 betting on sports for a living. I moved here from a town just outside of Flint, Mi and still remain a huge Michigan fan. Love this site and hoping like all of you they hire Harbaugh to be their next coach.
Wanted to clear few things up though with this story. First off there's no place out in Las Vegas who would allow betting on something like this. In fact there's no betting on all that stuff you see in the newspaper all the time, stuff like academy awards, american idol or who the next coach will be. They are trying right now actually to pass allow here in LV to allow this one day but as of now there's no such thing.
This is coming from an offshore sportsbook that's probably either bovada or sportsbetitng.com. These places love to set lines on stuff like this as the newspapers and media pick up on it and it's great free publicitiy. WIth that said these "markets" are very small meaning at the most I would say $100 is the maxiumum you can wager on this. It may be as high as $300 (which I will check on shortly) but I know way it's not more than that.
This is why you can't put much stock into this story. One or two max bets and they will move lines to try and entice action on other stuff. The bottom line these sportsbook would never let themselves get exposed with too much risk on these fun type wagers for all the obvious reasons most spoke of already in this thread.
Lastly like some spoke about earlier, the betting markets are extremely accurate way too gauge probabilites of something happening. There's been numerous studies done that show examples of this but the problem with that here in this case is that this market is way too small.
Anyways hope I helped clear this up. I want Harbaugh to be Michigan coach probably more than anyone but as far as this story meaning anything at all, it doesn't.
December 6th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
I agree with your description of this situation.
December 6th, 2014 at 9:14 PM ^
How do you make a living betting on sports? Even if you can why would you want to?
December 6th, 2014 at 7:38 PM ^
December 6th, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^
Bovada came out with 2 to 1 from the start. However, the prop has been pulled. I would consider this bullish.
So in closing, this: