CC: Scott Frost

Submitted by MichiganSports on

He hasn't been at the helm of the Ducks playcalling long but in his first season he set the team record for points scored and the previous high was done in a 14 game season. He knows both sides of the ball and has actually now coached as both a DC and OC. He seems to have the presence of a HC and is becoming a hot name around the country. When it looked as though Pelini was on his way out, most Nebraska fans were all on board for their former QB. So it would be cool to steal him away while we have the chance. 

 

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wlubd

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

I don't really see it. I also think Pelini is on a perennial warm seat amongst Nebraska fans and if in a few years, he goes, we might be in a jam holding on to him.

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alum96

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

Oregon has the one of the 3 best players in the country at QB

Oregon has a very good OL

Oregon has quite a few nice RBs

Their WRs are pretty new

They have been running the same system now for years.

With all that they were one blown call by the ref (those who watched the WSU-Oregon game know which call) from losing to WSU on the same field WSU lost to Rutgers.

As others have said, if you go Oregon you might as well pay their HC to come here.  He makes $1.8M.  Which is what you pay when no one is competing for your head coach's services - instead of $4M.  Helfrich was also the OC for 4 years - a lot longer than Frost and for all we know he is the guy game planning, making adjustments, etc.

If I consider a coordinator I like to see him take over an average to poor side of the ball and make it very good.  Not take over what someone else has built... with one of the top 3 players in the country already waiting at QB with a HC who did the same role as you.  Frost could be great, average, or mediocre - impossible to tell based on what system he went to and what player he has at QB.

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WolvinLA2

October 2nd, 2014 at 8:13 PM ^

I think we would all be happy with Helfrich, but I don't think anyone expects that to happen.  Helfrich was given $1.8mil because he had never been a HC and hadn't had any major programs offering him a HC spot.  Oregon wanted to keep their train rolling so they liked him, but they knew they didn't need to shell out the bucks to keep him in Eugene.  

But the second a big time program offers him money, Oregon will match it.  In fact, saving money on him now allows them to shell out for him if it ever comes to that.  

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CoachBP6

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

I think we need to take a chance on someone.. People want a home run hire but were Bo or Lloyd home run hires?  Not by a long shot.  I really think that Michigan should go all in for a guy that is up and coming with a solid coordinator record but no head coaching experience.  No risk no reward.  If Michigan can't lure in a Harbaugh, a Miles, a Gundy, or a Sumlin, perhaps taking a chance on someone would yield the best results.  Might find the next diamond in the rough.  

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Monocle Smile

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^

Well, Carr wasn't actually hired, and one could consider his tenure the luckiest break Michigan has ever caught.

Bo wasn't a "home run hire," but he had already displayed acumen.

 

No risk no reward
You haven't been a Michigan fan very long, have you? This regime and the last would both like a word with you.

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CoachBP6

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

I don't think Brandon thought he was taking a chance with Hoke.  I honestly think Brandon truly thought Hoke was the best person for the job.  I don't know if any of the reports saying Hoke was the only one offered the job are true or not, but you've gotta believe Hoke nailed the interview.  

I see where you're coming from though.  I would be very happy if we landed a big name coach.  I just think that we should expand out search to include young OC's / DC's with solid resume's at schools within power 5 conferences.

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FatGuyLittleCoat

October 2nd, 2014 at 5:01 PM ^

went 10-3 in his first and only season as head coach at Arkansas St. I think that was enough evidence that the guy could coach up kids, and quickly. Scott Frost hasn't been on the job long and hasn't been a head coach. I'm not saying that Frost doesn't have what it takes, but his resume is way too thin at this point to consider him a legitimate contender. I like Oregon's offense, though!

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Tater

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^

Not only would this work, it would fit in with the Michigan tradition of hiring someone they don't have to pay elite money to.  Rich Rod is the only head coach Michigan had in my 62-yeare lifetime who came to Ann Arbor with experience as a successful head coach in a major conference. 

David Brandon has devalued the Michigan job so badly that it is going to be really difficult to get an elite coach with a track record of success to come to Ann Arbor.  So, they either have to take a chance on another "second five" coach or an assistant who may turn into a great head coach.

They could have had Gus Malzahn last time...

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maizenblue92

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^

Since we are throwing around former Big Ten QBs as options, how about Darrell Bevell? He is currently the Seahawks OC and is becoming a hot name for an NFL job.

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WMU81

October 2nd, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^

The same Scott Frost that was running his mouth about who should be the rightful National Champ after Nebraska beat Tennessee in 97'? Um, no!

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SECcashnassadvantage

October 2nd, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

Fuck no, let a MAC school type HC candidate take over Michigan? Are we losing it? We can easily pull a current head coach. 7 to 10 million or whatever it takes. We are bleeding 2 million a game on lost revenue. Pull your head out of your ass Dave Brandon.

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SFBlue

October 2nd, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^

Hiring whiz kid coordinators has not worked out for other programs, such as Hologorsen at WVU and Muschamp at Florida.  Head coaching experience of some type is going to be a requirement, I believe.

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funkywolve

October 2nd, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^

just like hiring coaches.  Bob Stoops, Jimbo Fisher, Mark Richt, Mike Gundy, Chip Kelly, Les Miles, David Shaw, Beilema all made the jump from no head coaching experience to head coach at a Power 5 conference school and found success.

In almost all cases coaching hires are hit and miss propositions whether you're hiring an experienced head coach or a coordinator.

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Swazi

October 2nd, 2014 at 5:09 PM ^

I have no faith that the Harbros are coming.  And I doubt Sumlin would leave aTm for anything other than an NFL gig at this point.

 

Jim McElwain is probably the best candidate UM could land IF (big IF) Dave Brandon is still athletic director.

 

Be interesting if Jim would keep Nuss as their coordinator, too.  Similar styles, keep the offense consistent, at least.

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MichiganSports

October 2nd, 2014 at 5:33 PM ^

Im not saying he isn't a good OC, he clearly is. My issue is he didn't even get a sniff as a HC untill he was 50 and that was only because he was the OC at Alabama. And when he gets the sniff he has to settle on a MWC school, that speaks volumes to me as to how his peers view him. Also, yes they seem to be somewhat on the up-tick but he already lost a division game this season and i would be surpirsed if they eclipse 8 wins.

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Swazi

October 2nd, 2014 at 6:01 PM ^

And before Chip Kelly joined Oregon's staff the biggest school he coached at was New Hampshire. He was Oregon's OC for only two years before being promoted to head coach.

All some guy named Bo did before Michigan was be the head coach at Miami of Ohio.

Is Jerry Kill not a good coach? He went from Northern and Southern Illinois head coach to Minnesota, at age 50.

Just saying, your argument is pretty flawed.


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Swazi

October 2nd, 2014 at 5:36 PM ^

McElwain has been coaching FBS programs since 2000.  I wouldn't exactly say that's "been around forever".

 

He is currently at Colorado State.  He won 4 games in 2012, 8 games in 2013, and currently 3-1.  He is showing marked improvement for a program that was pretty much dead.

 

He won a bowl game for the first time for CSU since 2008.  He beat Mike Leach and Wazzu.  Not much, but pretty big for Colorado State, like beating Boston College at BC last week.

 

McElwain at CSU:

2012: 4-8

2013: 8-6

2014: 3-1 (ongoing)

 

Colorado State before McElwain:

2011: 3-9

2010: 3-9

2009: 3-9

2008: 7-6

2007: 3-9

2006: 4-8

2005: 6-6

2004: 4-7

2003: 7-6

2002: 10-4

 

You have to go back twelve years before you find a year that was more successful than McElwain was last year at Colorado State.  Unlike Hoke at Ball St. where he won no more than 5 games his first four years there.

And with SDSU, Hoke's DC there, Rocky long, is having just as much success as Hoke did in 2010 there.  He's won 8, 9, 8 games in 2011-2013, winning a share of the MWC (with Boise, and Fresno) in 2012.

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