i'm not going to get worked up yet, but the Big Lead has broken some stories correctly in the past. I also have more faith in Adam Schefter's reporting, and he is still reporting Harbaugh to Michigan
CC: Rumor: Harbaugh-to-Michigan falls apart over weekend
Adam Shefter just said on Sportscenter that Harbaugh is going NFL. Insert explicitive here____!!!!
Schefter just said on ESPN that coaching college football is not in his future.
Sportscenter than you. I just watched Schefter say pretty much what he has said all along. He said that Harbaugh is unlikely to stay at Stanford and that a decision will probably be made by Wednesday of this week. He said that all along he felt that if an NFL team can make a compelling enough argument for Harbaugh to leave college football than he will move to the NFL. The question is can
He said less than an hour later the complete opposite, that he expects Harbaugh to go to the NFL. He's tweeting this now too.
I personally think that Harbaugh will chose the NFL. If the NFL truly wants him than they will likely make him an offer he cannot refuse.
Not to fuel the speculative fire, but I just saw Schefter on sportscenter (11am) say what JewofM said. He hinted that JH has been an M lean, and that it would be up to an NFL team to convince him otherwise. He even went so far as to say that it is obviously in JH's best interest to keep all options publicly open to play the sides against each other for a contract.
I don't want to hang on every word from Adam Schefter, but what did he say that was any different from what he has always said?
This is exactly what I heard, this is exactly what I read, and this is exactly what Angelique wrote about what Schefter and Herbie were saying on the issue.
I guess people have selective hearing and only hear what they want to hear.
Go, Jim, Go! Follow your destiny to the NFL!
Any article that speculates that a possible reason for not wanting to come to Michigan is that he would be paid a lot of money in a depressed state is automatically dismissed.
Indeed. As the guy said "... while living in one of the most distressed states in the country..."
Is he familiar with California's recent history of bond ratings?
Stanford and the NFL are not public institutions. I am guessing that is what the writer was trying to compare.
Agreed, that was absolute dumbassery.
It's true that U-M takes heat for being a wealthy institution with highly-paid administrators, but that's been true for years and it doesn't matter how healthy the rest of the state is financially.
Does the author honestly think that Harbaugh isn't already in that position, being in Palo Alto while CA's budget is in shambles? And if he's losing sleep over that, how ever would he live with himself getting NFL-level money in CA, or anywhere else?
Boggles the mind, sounds like a pet theory he came up with and threw it out there without passing it by the logic center of his brain.
Brian might need to be sedated for several months.
I know I will need to be for damn sure.
He seems like a decent coach, but I don't think he is ready for this stage yet. I could be wrong, but I have my doubts.
Not at all!
In the unlikely event that Brady Hoke ends up in Ann Arbor, Rich Godriguez might also need to be sedated for several months.
I also may have to fight to secure an alteration to my username, and it's not going to be Brady-God-Hoke-anything.
If JH falls through, would you rather have Miles or Hoke???
Serious question. What has RR done in his three years here to merit another year? Certainly his on the field record has been horrific. His B10 record is worse. His record against our 2 main rivals - 0-6. He got blown out by a good but not great team in the Gator Bowl. Our defense is a laughing stock. Our special teams may be worse than our defense. Our offense - #6 in the history of the world - was pretty stoppable against every good defense that we faced. We had NCAA violations for the first time EVER. Recruiting has not been great, at all. There has been a ton of attirtion. Why, exectly, do you want RR back? What has he shown you that I am not seeing?
If no JH, bring on Hoke. I don't want the Hat.
What has Hoke done to prove he's ready? His resume is way weaker than RR's was when he came from WVU.
Hoke's resume is short. He does not have enough HC experience for Michigan.
Also, are you one of those RR detractors who said "Well, he sucks against our rivals" and then when he goes up 2-1 against Notre Dame, change your statement to "Well, he sucks against our main rivals."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MSU a lesser rivalry (to Michigan) than Notre Dame is? Of course not, because it weakens your argument... so, moving along.
I'm not saying RR should stay, I'm saying I would rather have RR than Hoke.
and Dick Bumpas is the next best scenario in my mind.
You all don't think he'd go off the board and chase the guy from TCU do you?
I just hope Brandon has been pursuing Plan B and C and that we're not where we were in 2007. I guess this delay and keeping RR on hold gives us that insurance policy.
FWIW, gun to my head I'd take Miles. He always has good defenses, can recruit the South, and I believe he could better utilize Denard and Devin better. He recruited Russell Shepard in the past. He was supposed to be a really good QB but I'm not sure what happened to him. He's shown he can adapt. Then again, he's also certifiably nuts.
But Miles' recent oversigning issues have left me cold.
True. I imagine the adminstration would put their foot down on this practice though. It's an unsavory practice to be sure, but to the best of my knowledge it's not breaking rules. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me. Hey, won with Saban's players, why can't he do it with RR's?
On pure coaching and past performance and adaptability to our personnel, I probably don't disagree to you.
That said, whatever was inhibiting the hire in 2007 is still likely there.
In the unlikely event that someone links The Big Lead on this board, Brian might need to be sedated for several months.
Brian, can we start a thread on medications?
Certainly the program will be sedated.
That would be a good time for me to use that $50 gift certificate for The Alcor Foundation.
...I humbly suggest Brandon announce he's keeping RR, and FAST. We'll end up scrambling to find a coach, which -- I dunno -- sounds vaguely familiar.
I don't care if we need to go through another protracted coaching search. RR has shown one thing consistently over his tenure-he won't succeed at Michigan.
The only thing RR has consistently shown is that he can struggle when given little talent and youth. And that he can be extremely good when given talent.
So... like pretty much any other coach anywhere.
When, exactly, during his Michigan tenure has RR shown that he can be extremely good? Yes, the offense piles up yards - against crap competition, but even his extremely good, exciting, wacko-ninja, #6 in the world offense crumbles against every decent defense. When has RR shown that he can be extremely good at M?
Nobody's arguing that RR has been extremely good at Michigan. The argument is that he has been good everywhere else and should be given upperclassmen here to replicate that.
Maybe the argument holds water and maybe not, but there's not a single Michigan fan claiming his tenure has been extremely good here.
Some clarification is in order here: RR has been a head coach at exactly two I-A programs, West Virginia and Michigan. At one he was successful; at the other he hasn't been. And at WVU, he didn't actually win big until after Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left the conference, leaving it in its current weakened state. The idea that this track record clearly presages great success at Michigan is a stretch.
To further your point.....bowl games are a good litmus test for how your program stacks up against teams from around the country.
RR's track record in bowl games:
02-lost 48 - 22 to Virginia in Continental Tire Bowl
03-lost 41-7 to Maryland in Gator Bowl
04-lost 30-18 to Florida State in Gator Bowl
05-won 38-35 over Georgia in Sugar Bowl
06-won 38-35 over Georgia Tech in Gator Bowl
07-technically not his bowl victory but, 48-28 win over Oklahoma in Fiesta Bowl
10-lost 52-14 to Mississippi St. in Gator Bowl.
Note: Up until I did this research just now, I didn't realize how shitty his bowl record was.
Personally I would go back and say that his experience as an offensive coordinator, combined with the success he had in the (yes, depleted) Big East would say that he was much more likely to be successful than not.
The #1 offense in the Big 10 and #6 in the country, even if we did struggle mightly against some teams, is extremely good in my ever so humble opinion.
If you feel it isn't, well that's your choice. I personally think that view is slanted and not really looking at things logically or fairly... but it's still your choice.
1. You're cherry-picking the data. We're only ranked that highly in terms of yards gained, not points scored. Yards do not win games. In terms of points we're ranked #26, which I'd call merely good, not exceptional. And our ppg steadily dropped as the year went on, and we faced better teams.
2. Rich Rodriguez is not the offensive coordinator. He's responsible for all three phases of the game, plus recruiting. It isn't looking good on most of those fronts.
1.) True, and you do make a good point. But looking at any one stat you can say "well they are really good here, but just above average over here." And I would also agree the PPG is a big deal and a major stat. And I also haven't, nor will I, disagree that our offense had issues wihen facing good defenses either.
BUT, going from where we were a few years ago to now is an obvious dramatic improvement. He has some talent on that side of the ball and experience as well and very good things have happened already. I don't think it's a stretch at all to make the statement I did.
2.) And that has anything what so ever to do with the point I made how? I'm not saying anything about if RR should still be the coach, or that he's done good things on the defensive side of the ball, or that he is ripping things up in recurting. So... not really following why you'd point this one out.
I don't know about this. It is all speculation, IMO, as it has been for weeks now. We will see in the next couple days I'm sure.
All lies! They don't really seem like the kind of source that would have inside information.
is working on a hasty and lengthy rebuttal as we speak
....and drafting a letter to The Big Lead's ombudsman.
Who is Plan B/C/D?
Realistically we need at least 3 coaches we have a good shot with
who have unleashed vitriol and already given the post-mortem on RR bc "omgz of cours we cant keep RR, here we go Harbaw!" ... what happens when JH doesn't come to Ann Arbor?
one of the main things i don't get about people feeling the need to jump ship as quickly as possible, or at least as speedy as their amped up anger takes them.
People seem to be under the impression that if Michigan comes calling, Harbaugh jumps on the next plane. So while the "OMG FIRE RR NOW" crowd has a wind at its back right now, it is important to remember that firing him is the easy part, and it only makes sense if another "acceptable" coach takes the job.
RR returning for another year is not the nightmare scenario. The nightmare scenario is firing RR, Harbaugh goes to the 49ers, and Brady Hoke battles Ron English, John L. Smith, and Lou Brown for the Michigan coaching job.
People want their pound of flesh right now, and I understand that. But I'm reminded of the story of the Zen Master and the little boy:
Seriously I don't understand this. After watching the last 3 games, do you honestly think hoke would fare any worse on this team? He has coached with less talent than Michigan and yielded somewhat better results. Look, I don't want the dude either, but I don't think I could defend hanging on to rich rod another year, it would split the fan base like matt millens last year in Detroit
only two wins against teams with winning records were against the academies, Air Force and Navy. The other seven wins came against teams a combined 46 games below break even. He hasn't proven he can be a winning coach consistently in significantly weaker conferences and hasn't proven he can recruit major talent.
But all I'm saying is that not getting JH will not be the end of the world. We could try a promising coordinator, or a successfully FCS coach. Just cuz a guy ha a proven track record doesn't mean he'll be successful (ie. Rich rod)
...or, for that matter, a bad guy (though I don't know if 8-4 in the MWC is better than 7-5 in the Big Ten). But I think the argument for Harbaugh is that even if they will be worse in 2011 than they would be under Rodriguez (because of the transition), the team will be better 3, 4, or 5 years from now. I can't see this team being better in 2011 under Hoke than Rodriguez, nor can I see it being better in 2016. Why would you make the change if it doesn't promise better results at some point?
You hit on my point, though. People worry more about how bad Rodriguez HAS been, rather than what is best for the team going forward. Do I want to hit RR with a rolled-up newspaper? Sure. But I don't think firing him is a good idea unless we have a suitable replacement.
(FWIW, I don't think Harbaugh is the only person who could coach the team next year. His is just the only name that has been circulated who I would consider a realistic replacement. If Patterson wants to come coach Michigan, I'm cool with that)
There's also a guy named Rich Rodriguez that could coach the team next year.
Snarky McSnarkerson aside: he's not yet been fired. And I would much, much, much rather have RR here than Brady Hoke.
I meant the only OTHER person.
People in such situations always say that it can't get worse. It can. If Brandon can get someone better, then he should make the move; but I don't think firing RR for the sake of firing RR is a good idea.
I'm not supportive of Patterson. That guy wants to put concussed kids back into the game 10 minutes after they've been unconscious.
...and Jim Harbaugh once tried to drive after getting slizzered.
Point: we all make our mistakes. Patterson claimed that he was just trying to gather information about the athlete, not override the doctors.
between making a personal mistake and wanting to send a concussed kid out on the field when the doctor refuses to clear him?
OF COURSE Patterson claimed he wasn't trying to override the doctors! That doesn't mean that he's telling the truth. The doctor obviously felt that Patterson was trying to override him, or he wouldn't have said so to the media. The fact that TCU's AD even got involved is indicative that there was something serious going on here. I don't know, you could be right, but the whole story seems very fishy to me.
In any case, I would contrast Patterson's behavior (ill-informed or not) to RR's handling of DR's potential concussion in the Illinois game... and DR wasn't knocked unconscious.
Maybe we won't lost to Toledo anymore this way?
for making my point.
Some people want to fire RR in 2010 for a loss in 2008. I don't know what to tell those people; in 2011, he will STILL have lost to Toledo in 2008. And I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference.
Also, your 8th grade English teacher called. She read your last post, and became Sad English Teacher Panda.
I know Blue in South Bend, and he normally doesn't criticize people unless it's 100% in good fun. Seeing the snarky comment at the end lets me know he's pissed, for realz
I've taken a turn toward the dark side, and have released my inner ANGAR.
However, my EPIC fantasy football title has soothed my soul somewhat. A Boy Named Suh, FTW!!!
What happens? We follow the team like always of course. Last time I checked someone having a contraray opinion or a prediction that turns out to be incorrect doesn't impose a lifetime banishment from being a fan of a team.
If that were the case, all the people on here predicting we'd steam roll Michigan State in October would be expatriated. It was hilarious how magically within a few hours after, those very same people were trying to tell the world how great a team MSU was and how they were clearly the better team going into the game. Despite us being favored.
One of the main things I never got was the need to make sorry excuses and fire off "wait until next years" every time we got clobbered this fall. But, all of the blather we are talking about here is the birthright of being a fan. As is the guy who just can't resist rubbing it in when circumstances he has no control over lean to his side of loyalty.
my point is that people who come on here absolutely blasting - not unhappy or disgruntled but BLASTING - RR for not working, etc., have just thrown every shell of ammunition at the current coach expecting a change. so then RR comes back - where the hell is there potential for discourse between people like yourself and those who either a) would be ok with JH coming but still appreciate RR or b) want to keep RR? i really don't know what catharsis is available that has to be achieved solely through nuking the man on this board. be unhappy, hope for a change but the outright OMG HE'S F'ING SATAN EFF THIS reactions and statements constantly coming out are ridiculous. they're damn near trolling - we get it (poster's name here), you don't like RR. we gathered as much from your 57 other posts.
I've been staying away from here worried about all of the negativity. Thanks god many folks can think rationally. It's not RR vs perfection, it's RR vs "what you can get", and "what you can get" may or may not be good! I'm pissed too but I'm not thrilled about plan B or C and would support RR if he is the best option available.
This is mostly the gut, knee-jerk reaction that follows getting shitcanned in a bowl game. the same thing happened after OSU, but it died down to a dull roar by the bowl game.
We're certainly candidates for the Scott Tenorman of the Week if Brian does a bowl version of TWIS.
I was reading AnnArbor.com comments (dumb, I know) and they are running 99-1 "OMG RR'S EFFING SATAN KILL HIM NOW!" vs. "Well, maybe he's not Satan, calm down."
All the arguments (and "arguments") against Rodriguez are the exact same ones that have been deployed since he first set foot in Ann Arbor. I accept some people never liked him being hired and personally dislike him for whatever visceral reason (anti-Southern bigotry?); in fact, it's because I accept and understand this that I don't need to read any more shit from these people -- they have become broken records. No, they have become broken records being used to beat a dead horse while crying over spilled milk.
A little part of my soul died watching the Gator Bowl debacle, same as everyone else here. But as someone said, the choice right now isn't Rodriguez vs. Coach Deus Ex Machina, it's current coach vs. who else is out there whose positives would outweigh the negatives of another coaching transition?
OK, I am going to try to state my point as part of the rational faction of Michigan fans who are no longer in the Rodriguez camp.
We have all rehashed what has occurred on the field for the last 3 years and it has not been pretty. We all know the reasons for and against keeping RR. But at this point can he really stay and be successful. If Dave Brandon decides to keep him we are going to have another 365 days of speculation, rumor and the constant questioning of what RR needs to do to return in 2012. This is doing more damage to the long-term health of the program than the results on the field. Plus as evidenced by the Gator Bowl, it is harming the on-field performance.
I think we have reached the point where we are beyond repair with the coaching situation. Before Saturday I would have rather had Rodriguez over any coach not named Harbaugh. At this point, it is probably best to part ways and find the best possible replacement.
"If Dave Brandon decides to keep him we are going to have another 365 days of speculation, rumor and the constant questioning of what RR needs to do to return in 2012."
Your reason for canning him either way: He can't be successful b/c we won't stop moaning about him, so let's keep moaning about him...
how about we could rally around RR and make it less of an impossible situation?
At this point, the fan base can rally around RR as much as we want and it won't make a lick of difference in the perception. Every press conference will have a job security question. Every media outlet will have constant stories on RR's tenuous job security. Every recruit will hear the questions of whether or not RR will be the coach at the end of the year.
Either you make a change or give RR a contract extention. You can't build a house on an unstable foundation. Right now the foundation is very unstable with fan support being a small part of it.
An extension would be meaningless. No one will be fooled into thinking that a coach with a 15-22 record is safe. Quite simply, there is nothing that can be done over the next nine months to stabilize RR here if he's retained. (And really, it's more than nine months, because a hot September won't sway anyone, either.) Most of the fanbase has given up on RR. This site is about the most pro-RR anywhere, and it's not even very supportive at this point. The situation has become toxic.
That's the fundamental thing DB has to consider, especially with reference to influential athletic department donors and those who buy suites and large blocks of season tickets. The attendance has been remarkably resilient the last three seasons, but that will not last into the fourth year if it proves disappointing again. Just from a marketing and PR perspective (something Brandon's intimately familiar with), selling a 2011 season with RR still at the helm would be a challenge. I think it would have been regardless of what happened in the bowl game, but after that debacle it would be like trying to persuade the French that British quisine is top-notch.
Do you honestly think there will be more questions than there were this year? I guess I just felt there was a ton of speculation all year and the added won't be that much.
What this whole thing comes down to is this:
Can you bring in someone who gives you a better shot in the long term? If you cannot, then you keep RR, hope fore moderate success next year and you either will continue with him or make another run at the best guy out there. I don't think Brady Hoke is a better long term option. In fact, I think very few guys give me a lot more hope tha RR and a good DC.
I also have a question. If you knew that RR could bring in a Casteel or Teryl Austin, would you keep him or hire Hoke? In my mind, it isn't even close. I keep RR. I honestly believe that if RR could bring in a Casteel, Shannon or Austin, a lot of people, in time, would go back to being causiously optomistic. I know I would.
It can get worse. It's now conventional wisdom in the college football world that Michigan needs to fire RR. If Brandon retains him, every press conference is going to be ugly. The wolves will be out in full force.
And if I were a top DC, I'd steer clear of this mess. This isn't just a coach on a flaming hotseat, it's a coach with a reputation for being inflexible about schemes and blindly loyal to his position coaches. People know what happened to Shafer. If the best we could do two years ago was GERG, I don't know what we could get now.
I am still PISSED OFF about our defense and silly teams.
I am not a RR hater though, or a "change for the sake of change" guy. If JH comes to Michigan, I will be happy. If not, I agree 100% that we don't just hire someone else unless he's a better candidate than RR. I'd rather try for the stud DC and move on to fix the turnovers on offense and ST. If we DO hire a stud DC, he runs HIS OWN system, period.
Oh, and Jeremy Gallon can carry a football with him everywhere from now until September.
Let me lead with this: I don't want Harbaugh as the next Michigan coach. I think he will be too pig headed to use an offense that suits Denard, I think we'll be set back on offense when our defense isn't ready to carry the load, and I wonder if he is just lucky, no pun intended, to have perhaps the best pro prospect at quarterback since Manning (the good one).
That being said, it's a huge disaster to not have Harbaugh as coach come next fall. It was stupid to leave RR twisting in the wind for the last couple months. By "postponing" any decision, Brandon let everyone assume that Harbaugh would be the next coach leaving a huge PR disaster if it's anyone else, including RR. If Brandon felt a change needed to be made, it should have been done immediately following the regular season. If that closed out Harbaugh who wanted to test the NFL waters, so be it, at least we would have had the time to do a true coaching search.
Whatever happens, to me, the shine is officially off Brandon. He has work to do to show he is competent at anything other than holding a press conference.
That's your average CC thread.
(Obviously I'm a gawker. Bad habit, I know.)
Let's endure it and keep looking forward
I think this is pure speculation. Everyone is predicting Harbaugh to Michigan. In the small chance he backs out, The Big Lead will try to take credit for breaking the story. If Harbaugh picks Michigan, no one will really hold their feet to the fire. I mean they did write "This is liable to change again later in the week."
God Bless Rich Rod! God Bless the University of Michigan!!!
Last week, we would have guessed 97% Michigan, 1% SF, 1% Stanford, 1% Other. Today, we’ve re-adjusted that to 50% SF, 20% Stanford, 15% Other, 15% Michigan. This is liable to change again later in the week.
There really isn't any evidence of these percentage changes. Why does Michigian go from 97% to 15%? The assumption is that JH doesn't want to leave the Bay area. What about the Denver job? It isn't even discussed.
It was so a 98.523% chance of happening.
Any source on this? Seems like purely speculation as Leaders and Best just noted. I can't imagine Harbaugh's wife suddenly wanting to stay on the West Coast just over the weekend. It's not like this surprised them. I trust that Brandon already closed Harbaugh on this a long time ago in case the opportunity did arise at Michigan.
Always. Be. Closing.
you are shit. Hit the bricks, pal.
Is a little something extra in the bonus pool this month. A new Cadillac and a set of steak knives.
they reply to a comment saying,
TheBigLead Says: January 3rd, 2011 at 8:22 AM [Gravatar image] but I do not believe that is dead. I don’t believe that he is making final decisions a couple days before the Standford bowl game. This will be revisited after their season is done. you could be 100% on this. people change their minds all the time. i think Harbaugh at UM would be great
Did the dude really just spell it "Standford"?
you gotta Standford something
We've been dong punched like this before.
I'll take my chances with him cira 1980.
1938 not so much.
Joe Lewis can still kick my ass and he has passed.
For all those who think a deal with Harbaugh could already be done, I am not sure exactly what this might entail. When asked on Saturday Dave Brandon said "he probably won't have a comment about the decision until later in the next week."
That doesn't exactly lend to already having someone lined up if we are looking 10-14 days for an announcement.
that JH is being as tight-lipped as possible on the situation so as not to leave his team with the feeling that they are losing ther coach. Whether he comes to Michigan or jumps to the NFL, he isn't saying a word until his game is over. Let the rumors fly, they're all BS.
The consensus is that "the next week" meant this week.
comes out and announces that RR is back for another year ? We've already lost our B1G recruit and IMO this team has not progressed from 2009 to 2010 (what was our signature win ?) and we just got humiliated on Saturday.
I'm not sure DB can even bring RR back if JH isn't coming ... and that leaves us where ???
Go Blue !
After the 3 straight utter humiliations to end the season - the latest coming after the team had a chance to get healthy, and with RR's vaunted offense getting completely shut down after the first 2 drives - I don't see how DB can credibly bring RR back.
The overwhelming majority of fans that I have spoken to want him gone. DB waited on making his decision to see the full body of work. If the body of work before the bowl game were not enough to convince DB to retain RR (which, if it were, he should have said so), the bowl game certainly did nothing to help RR.
If DB does end up keeping RR, after the protracted and unnecessary "evaluation period" - a period which created a media circus around our once proud program - then he put the program through a month of shit for no reason whatsoever.
To me, RR needs to go. Not because he can't coach, not because he is a bad guy and not because he is not a Michigan Man. He needs to go because, as Bruce Feldman said yesterday, the situation has become toxic to Michigan football. You can't succeed with a coach who is constantly on the hot seat. DB needs to call an end to this sorry era in M football and bring in someone else to restore respectability.
Is Starting to look like it's special teams
Assuming that such a thing even exists, for which we have no evidence one way or another.
which? the cc committee or special teams?
happening. I'll react when an announcement is made in AA. Having said that, if JH doesn't come here the shit storm will continue no matter who is chosen because this fanbase seems to not be accepting of anyone other than someone from "the family". Those options are few and far between. If DB puts all his eggs in one basket and that basket breaks then DB will be in the exact situation that Bill Martin was in.
I've heard the exact opposite from an NFL sourse, FWIW.
I've heard that Harbaugh will leverage NFL offers into a better offer here and that we can expect Harbaugh to UM announced by the end of the week.
So, yeah, YAY for rumor mongering.
Agent-driven rumors can lead to more pay.
I've heard that Harbaugh will leverage NFL offers into a better offer here and that we can expect Harbaugh to UM announced by the end of the week.
So you've heard a complete guess from "an NFL source" who really doesn't know anything more than anybody else. Third-hand rumors really aren't much more valuable than fourth-hand rumors.
Which was much of my point. I'm not putting my head on the line over this or anything. But I figured the MGoCommunity would love to hear. It is a reputable source, but yeah, like the tag says: Rumor-mongering is what the internets are for.
The great 2008 holoscan MgoBlog coaching search has thought me anything is patience and how to handle rumors...that's why I hit the refresh button every 3 seconds. Yep, I'm going to freak out till this is over, I've learned nothing.
NFL now thinks Harbaugh is going to NFL
"sources" around the NFL feel he is leaning that way
1. The Big Lead had already been speculating on who breaks the Jim Harbaugh to Michigan story a couple days, and it did not seem like they had any solid info at the time. They were "hearing" the decision had been done for weeks and were already speculating about his wife getting cold feet due to weather with no source.
2. The Big Lead also called out Adam Schefter for being wrong about rumors about the ND coaching search. This one has me a little worried, but Schefter is not backing off the Harbaugh-to-Michigan report.
is reportedly going sailing to "clear his mind," unnamed sources tell me.
now i am freaking out man.
has some pretty damn good sources in the sporting world, so I take whatever Jason McIntyre has to say seriously. If he is hearing rumors that Harbaugh is waffling, it has some weight with me.
That being said, I refuse to believe Brandon has committed the same mistake as Bill Martin. DB strikes me as a cool customer with way too much savvy to be caught with his pants down. If the Harbaugh deal does not somehow come to fruition, you can be sure he has a solid backup plan already formulated. I have a lot of (blind) faith in DB and his decision making skills.
Their original post on Harbaugh looked more like a writer speculating on where Harbaugh would go based on inference from Harbaugh's history and how events were playing out. He never specifically cited a source concretely and more looks like he is trying to reason out where Harbaugh would go.
Even Rob Parker has sources, but he also had his "close and warm personal friends" which were often just crazy voices he heard in his head.
Based on the Big Lead's writing on this story, I am not buying yet.
Jason McIntyre also has a history of throwing shit at the wall and defending such actions when challenged.
Not to say that JH is a done deal. How the hell would I know?
I've turned down more than one better job because my wife didn't want to move. Invthis case, he can still get a better job *and* better weather.
but you're a sorry person if you turned down your childhood dream job for anyone (unless your wife makes big bucks).
No one has answered so far. Please show me a single quote from Jim Harbaugh that head football coach at the University of Michigan is his dream job.
Thank you. People keep saying "Michigan is Jim Harbaugh's dream job" but there isn't a single statement to that effect that anybody can unearth from the most exhaustive media search possible of Harbaugh's public utterances. When pressed for evidence, all they can fall back on is "well my dad knows the guy who cleans Harbaugh's pool and that's what he heard" or "well, everybody knows that's what Harbaugh thinks."
You can point to statements made by Harbaugh at the time he was hired by Stanford that imply that job was something he wanted for a long time.
None of this means it's impossible that Harbaugh regards UM as a dream job, but he has never once said as much in public. All people are doing is assuming and/or hoping.
If his wife is from California, and that's where her family lives, then unless she has a sour relationship with Ma and Pa, she will put Jimbo through hell if they move. THAT you can "book". Unless he married the child of a former, career military vet. In which case, he could get away with it.
Ooh nice. First my alarm doesn't go off this morning (yea iPhone glitch) and now this. Guess it's gonna be a good week sigh....
I'M GOING TO PLANT A BASELESS CLAIM ON MY WEB SITE TO GET ALL OF YOU TO NOTICE ME!! AND THEN i'M GOING TO TALK TO MY SPONSORS ABOUT INCREASING REVENUE SHARING IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THESE CLICK-THROUGHS!!!
WELCOME TO 2011, WHEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S THE TRUTH AS LONG AS IT MAKES MY WEB SITE MONEY!!!
Re: Reporting a rumor without discussing the source could very well mean it began in this guy's eggs this morning. Granted, yes, I certainly don't WANT him to be true and I'm sure that's affecting my opinion, but until we hear some serious intel on where the rumor came from, I refuse to take it seriously.
server appears to be overloaded. At least someone is cashing in...
is this guy getting his breakfast supplies?
I think Harbaugh would be a great hire for UM, but if in fact he does want to go to the NFL, then I think we should retain RR. As frustrated and heatbreaking these last few years have been for me, much like many other fans, I don't want a coaching carousel. RR has proven he can win on the BCS level in past, but for some reason that I do not know, has not even come close to repeating that here. But if JH is not coming, I for one, would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (with a new DC/scheme) considering the like19 returning starters and no more freshman starting.
Either way, right now I just feel lost
You all can keep yappin, I won't believe it until Herbie reports it.
Trust me, my sister is dating Harbaugh and she says.... Dammit this was somewhat funny with Zettel but not here.
Les Miles to Denver.
I would rather fire people on the defensive staff (Greg Robinson, maybe Tony Gibson) than hire Brady Hoke.
I find it funny that I know little to nothing about Hoke, ever followed him or his teams, and yet can't stand the thought of him as coach solely based on my love for this board.
By the way, I think it's funny that we all believed Adam Schefter yesterday or two days ago that Harbaugh would come to Michigan...
...and now we all believe Schefter when he says that Harbaugh won't come to Michigan.
Isn't this why John Kerry wasn't elected? Because he flip-flopped? Let's not go crazy with emotional swings here. We'll find out the answer to our question in a few days.
The difference being, Schefter never actually said Harbaugh was going to Michigan -- he was just referencing general scuttlebut in the NFL, as an aside. It got elevated because Section 1 went off about Schefter not naming his sources, and others responded that even rumors mentioned by Schefter are worth posting because of his general credibility.
It seems that now he's making a firmer statement. Which sucks.
This isn't Bush v. Kerry. This is Bush v. Gore.
~ BREAKING NEWS: Gore wins Florida
~ NO, WAIT: BUSH wins Florida
~ LATEST BUZZ: William Howard Taft wins Florida
~ ACCORDING TO SOURCES: Bush wins Florida, but only if he hires a new defensive coordinator
~IT'S OFFICIAL: Gore defeated, but Bush withdraws name from consideration. Brady Hoke wins Florida.
Dee Hart's recruitment reminds me a lot of Bush v. Gore as well.
Brady Hoke ='s Charlie Weis
Sportscenter is about to talk Harbaugh again in few minutes
much appreciated, has he already gone on?
After commercial. It's Herbie.
....I missed it, no tv's close to my proximity. Could you please recap? Thanks in advance.
I don't think they have any plans to talk with Harbaugh. Schefter update on JH coming at top of the hour
You're sitting in your ass at home today too, eh? Ain't it grand
First, let's not kid ourselves about RR. I have been a big RR supporter, but it is over for him at UM. He cannot stay, given the shambles our football team is in after his third year.
Second, if DB had all his hopes pinned on JH, with no backup plan, then he is not the executive we have thought he is. This is the big decision of his tenure here and, like RR preparing for the bowl, DB has had over a month to prepare for it. If he is now at a loss for what to do, then we really are in big trouble. But I find this unlikely: surely any scenario that might occur to our minds has been fully explored and prioritized by DB.
So we just have to wait. Uggh.
and since DB doesn't have to read all these CC threads, he has MUCH more time to focus on the task at hand.
Actually NONE of us HAVE to read these threads, but it's like the proverbial car crash...can't look away.
In his post game presser, Denard responded "No response" when asked if he would return if RR was fired. Can someone please make me feel better about that comment, please.
Sorry to post an OT question, but it is just burning me up and there are no other recent threads on point.
I have no inside info here, BUT...
- After the year he had, Denard would have his choice of programs.
- He is obviously a spread guy, and Harbaugh is obviously not.
- He has a redshirt year to burn if he transfers, so it wouldn't cost him any playing time.
Logic dictates that Denard would leave. The only reason he would stay is because he loves Michigan that much... but after seeing the fanbase take a dump on his coach (warranted or not), I imagine that good will is fading quickly.
The power of team unity. I doubt he would leave his teammates in the lurch like that.
And he's a genuine kid who likes doing the right thing. I just don't know if that is enough.
This has already been discussed, but he did run a spread offense while at USD. Josh Johnson did get drafted by Tampa Bay, when Gruden was there. Of course, John Gruden never was satisfied with only have 3 QB on his roster.
I said it in another post, but even commenting on that question would be extremely disrespectful to his head coach who is still under contract. Denard has more than proven himself to be an extremely humble and respectful kid. Take it FWIW
feel better? maybe a little?
Sounds to me like Harbaugh's agent is taking some of the negotiations to the press. The bit about the large contract/distressed state is weird, though, from that angle. Either the reporter ad libbed that to say 'don't play me' back to JH's agent, or JH is negotiating for something significant of non-monetary value (like long duration or favorable buyout terms).
we're hiring fucking Les Miles
Maybe he finally got through to the AD!
I wouldn't mind that though. Isn't he on a very short leash at LSU? He's also stated that coaching here would be his dream job. It would also satisfy the "Michigan Man" old school fans.
The roller coaster is reaching the top of the hill...
I just went outside and yelled NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Les Miles!
You just ruined my day.
Google "les miles" and #2 in the instant results is your answer.
/s. Wait, not /s.
Fuck Les Miles.
... why move across the country when you have a newborn? He won't even have to get a new telephone number!
If this program review was really just no more than "Help us JH!" then we were really worse off than anyone thought.
If JH wants the NFL this bad, he would probably have been a short-timer in AA. Yeah that would have been OK, but better get someone now who views Michigan as a destination, not a waypoint.
And, face it people, the over-under on RichRod's tenure is about 4 days at this point.
DB had to have a list, albeit a short one. "JH" written 5 times on a Post-It ain't a list.
No "inside sources" but his gut tells him harbaugh wouldn't pass up chance to coach Michigan.
No one tells that guy anything anymore.
I need a source I can depend on.
My guess that, before the bowl game, Brandon's plan was to hire Harbaugh if he would take the job, and if not retain Rodriguez (making all the right statements about the team showing consistent improvement, etc).
Problem is, then Saturday happened. Retaining Rodriguez certainly seems like a less feasible option than it did four days ago.
I'm sick to my stomach right now.
1. I hope he made his decision after Ohio State and the deal is done with Harbaugh once the game is over tonight.
2. If the deal isn't done with Harbaugh, and he intendeds keep Rich Rod, why in the hell didn't he announce Rich would be back before the game Saturday.
3. Brandon is Martin and we are screwed again.
4. I just throw up thinking about Haloscan and the tracking of flights out of Willow Run starting tomorrow if Harbaugh goes to the NFL.
Well if Harbaugh doesnt come here I think we should go after Mike Leach. He would be a good hire.
Mike Leach would be a HORRIBLE hire at Michigan.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
Mangino would be a "big" hire.
The Pirate Flag will NOT fly over the Big House; we don't want HC's with ongoing litigation, either.
I really hope you're joking. If not, god help you.
Two seconds of Mike Leach as head coach and people would be clamoring for RR's return.
FWIW I was joking. And people thought RR did not fit in at Michigan.
I had already arranged for your stay at the Funny Farm. Well, I bet I can call them back and cancel.
Mike Leach has proven he's a very good coach. Just wait a few years and see how Tubberville does in Lubbock, TX. It won't be pretty. Man's an offensive genius.
However, this whole "fit" nonsense is BS. However DB hires, as fans, alumni, etc, we need to get behind that hire. If the M community shows support, the idiots over at that paper not to be named won't get much traction on any negative stories they try to write, because people will tell them to go shove it.
They got traction on the violations against RichRod because the base was divided from the beginning. Why Les Miles was viewed as the end all, be all, I'll never know. Yeah, he was "good", but he had tons of baggage. Anyhow, a divided base gave some former M players a cover to transfer (Boren), the media to write what they wanted, and enough initial support to turn a few extra hours of practice into Michigan's first major violation in football.
All of that has an effect on players, staff and the head coach. If RichRod isn't fighting to prove he's a Michigan Man (again, look at what that actually means - and btw - Lloyd Carr - not a Michigan man, nor is Brady Hoke), then maybe things are different in terms of execution, recruiting, and even making staff decisions.
I'm just frustrated with this whole fit nonsense. Here is what I want out of the next head coach:
1) Does he graduate players and represent the ideals of the University well (academic and athletic excellence)
2) Does he win games
That's pretty much it. Leach graduated players more than any other Big 12 school.
Mike Leach won a ton of games.
Now, if only he'd forget he's a lawyer and can win his case against TTU, drop the case and he'll find himself hired.
This isnt even a good joke.
Sorry to disappoint you. haha
Here's hoping Harbs is just trying to smash any upheaval in his lockerroom prior to his bowl game tonight. You can damn well guarantee yourself that ESPN's pre-game show will have plenty to say about the subject tonight.
WWL as of 0950.
0755est on Mike and Mike.
Adam Schefter bullet.
-JH can make more money at S.F./DEN and they both want him BUT he could be at UM along time.
0920est on Mike and Mike
Chris Mortensen bullet.
-John Elway is onboard and is making a run at JH.;
0940est on SportCenter
Kirk Herbstreit (His "Black Cat" gut feeling) bullets.
-More than life than money and will go to UM for Pride/Bo/Tradition.
-RR stays get new DC (no shit)
-RR may want to be fired to get a fresh start.
0948est on SportCenter
Adam Schefter bullets
-talked about Dallas and Jason Garrett n/m of UM/JH
I didn't see the part that everyone was talking about A.S. saying JH to NFL but there you go from the APE they said they will have more at the top of the hour.
1000est Adam Schefter on S.C. bullets.
-It will be up to the NFL to lure him away from UM(S.F.) with a perfect storm opertunity.
-Decision should be made by middle/end of this week.
So same as yesterday.
UPDATE the duce:
1030est 1st and 10 on ESPN
Pat Forte bullets.
- RR is done
- JH job for the taking
- think DB is honoring JH wishes to coach Orange Bowl
- if not JH, thinks Les Miles (stop thinking Pat), Brady Hoke
1038est 1st and 10 on ESPN
Amani Toomer and Skip (poo flinging monkey) Bayless bullets.
-RR should go.
-JH job for the taking.
-UM needs to be physical w/ good D.
-Like the hire of RR at first but thought it was too radical of a change from Old School UM.
-RR doesn't get it, started with #1 jersey Drama
-He opened his mouth and I threw the remote at the TV.
Thanks for the breakdown. I do enjoy your last part about Bayless, classic.
Now he can't edit it with future updates from the WWL.
Craig James bullets.
-At the beginning of the game thought they would fire GERG the White. After the game RR is gone.
John Saunder bullets.
-Getting a lot to Tweets/Twits(?) from UM Alums who want RR gone.
Nothing new just wanted to be a smart ass.
LEGIT Question. Is Nebraska officially in the B1G? those bastards got ran in there Bowl game too, welcome to the suck Big Red.
Adam Schefter bullets.
Reporting the same as above but emphasizes SF is going to break the bank (my words), so same as above.
Chris Mortensen bullets
- the reason for the delay is the Orange Bowl. Well know by Wednesday/Thursday.
I'm done unless there is Truly something new. But I do want to know about Nebraska.
then maybe we'll finally get a chance to see who all the "big name" coaches that have "supposedly" expressed interest in coaching Michigan are.....
According to Doug Karsch, we'd be SHOCKED at the names.
He referenced Bob Stoops as an example of just how big, but stressed that it WAS NOT actually Stoops.
Would a name like John Gruden fit here? He was rumored to have talked with Miami, so maybe he is interested in the college game.
Also would he be accepted by the fanbase? I am a personal fan of his but know he is a polorizing type of a coach.
I just assumed he was talking about a "big name" college coach or two (because of the Stoops reference). I hadn't really thought about the NFL angle.
Either way, I have no clue who he was referring to, but would LOVE to know.
Regarding money, couldn't we guarantee JH the same $$ figure over a longer contract?
NFL pays $4M/year for 5 years
UM pays $3M/year for 7 years
Why not offer ten or twelve years? As I mentioned unthread, I think negotiations are about various Non-monetary elements of the contract at this point.
Yes, Harbaugh or any other coach is going to make less money in college. That said, for Harbaugh or others it comes down to whether or not you want to be a somewhat anonymous coach in the NFL or an icon in college. They don't name buildings or stadiums after you in the NFL.
As many people know JoePa as know Lombardi. A legend is a legend no matter where you go.
says not going back to Stanford
"Real feeling" around the league he wants to be in NFL. Has to be right situation in NFL. Up to an NFL team to make him an offer large enough to pull him away
Sounds much more JH-to-M this time around
Mangini out in Cleveland
screwed that up. His NFL sources say there's a feeling he may go to NFL. But then immediately said Michigan has been in it all along, and that he (Schefter) has said all along that it was likely M, and it would be up to an NFL team to make an offer to pull him away from M
Doug Karsch just said he has two sources that said one word regarding this report........NOTHING. Thats what they make of the report.
I hope to hibernate until September, wake up on the third as the team takes the field against WMU.
Rosenberg just wrote a column on why Harbaugh is right for Michigan. Then he promptly tweeted that "the deal fell apart" rumors are not true and that Harbaugh will pick UM or SF. Looks like Rosie is trying to convince us that his column is not a moot point.
I wasn't around mgoblog for the last coaching search, but this is some crazy shit. I literally feel like I have to refresh here every 10 minutes or I could miss something earth shattering. Which is, of course, ridiculous, but I can't help myself.
just wait til they break out the flight tracker
Flight tracker? Did someone say flight tracker? I haven't refreshed in 5 minutes and I missed the first flight tracker? Oh... Not yet, but I'm sure it is coming. I remember those days we all became infatuated with all things FAA.
the big lead isn't the kind of place to have well connected sources at michigan. if this is true, i think the traditional michigan sources will have the same story shortly.
We could have hired Harbaugh (or someone else) 3 years ago. This hire (RR) not only hasn't worked out, but has left us screaming at our misfortune because one guy (Harbaugh) may turn us down.
But, I'm thinking that we are still Michigan. Would an NFLer be interested? Meyer? Pelini? John Harbaugh? I really don't think we have to hire Brady Hoke.
But, we'll soon see.
...this coaching carousel is less crazy than last time...LOL.
All the rumors are meaningless. If you were JH agent, wouldn't you put rumors about everything out there? I would put out stuff that he was signing his extension at stanford; look at the niners, broncos, panthers; and Michigan. And then, Harbaugh would have his choice of a cushy gig, right?
So, best case for all of us is to go into hibernation until later in the week, wake up, and see if Brandon has saved us or made us all reach for our nooses.
This one little rumor on a website started a shit ton of buzz on the subject and traffic to any websites that mention it. Mission accomplished, thebiglead.
Oh sure, you belittle it. But they had Percentages! Actual, real, live, made-up percentages. And, it was on the Internet. How you gonna say it ain't true?
I don't see JH passing up HC job with the 49ers. Though, it is really tough for a college coach with no NFL experience to make it. All the best for him. Hopefully, DB has a great 2nd choice on his list.
The Niners are a mess. Unless all he cared about was getting into the NFL, I'd pass on that job, especially for your first crack. Yuck.
We are a mess right now. Something needs to be done to right the ship.
I think Michigan is closer to being back than SF.
Uh, last I checked we are a mess too .... unfortunately .... which is why all the "big names" may stay away.
The good news is, Notre Dame went all spread, so if we do get a viable pro style coach in here, it may be easier to recruit the guys (particularly WRs, DBs, and DTs) who want to play in the league. (i.e., I believe the spread has been bad for recruiting at some positions ...)
I'm a bit suspicious of this, since no one leaked this informal agreement when it was supposedly reached. It seems like reaching an informal agreement would be much more likely to leak than the collapse of an informal agreement.
Which means you only have one side to the story. You don't know what that other horse is doing.
I spoke with Prescott Burgess yesterday, and he believes that it'll be Brady Hoke.
I'm so detached now. If harbaugh goes to the pro's he'll be bounced out in three or four years like spurrier, saban, petrino, et al, and then we'll get another crack at him /mild sarcasm.
for what a published contract lacks. Also, there are some deep pockets around the program that can ore than make up the difference. That's legal, right?
Fondly remembering the last coaching search. We were all so innocent then.
...and see what he thinks. God Almighty.
in the NFL is Belichick. He was a disaster in Cleveland and then hooked up with Brady and is now a god in the NFL. Guys like that are few and far between.
Remember, Parcells never won a SB without Belichick, but Belichick has won SBs without Parcells.
Bill Walsh is the last guy I can remember that is talked about like BB is now.
JH can always go there. If he's going to bring UM back from the dark side of ANGAR, now is the time.
Not a single coach on that list is more famous than Hayes, Schembechler, Bryant, Rockne, etc. I think the point he was trying to make was about how there are more iconic college coaches than NFL coaches, not just recently but throughout history.
If you are interested, CNBC will be talking Harbaugh in the next few minutes.
and Stanford fighting to retain him, I am sure Harbaugh (or his agent) is playing hard ball. When going after the hot commodity, you have to expect the heat ...
DB is looking not only at Harbaugh, but also Urban Meyer. Meyer could bring Loeffler (who obvously wants to come back) Heater, and Teryl Austin with him. This is a real possiblity and one that would fit with the quarterback and talent already on the offensive side of the ball.
Why would Meyer come? UF is much closer to a NC than us. Maybe if he had actually retired last year he'd be looking to come back.
Maybe Denard can be his recruiter. He loves recruiting.
Maybe he saw how Lloyd was carted off the field like a Demigod after we put them in their place for the disparaging comments he made about our team the year before. Enshrinement in Schembechler Hall has to trump anything the Gators have. Heck, for all we know, he may have "retired" because we almost pulled the trigger on Rod last year. The point is a lot of people have a lot of different reasons for doing the things they do. Dave Brandon seems more willing to back up the money truck than Dollar Bill was. This reason likely benefits our cause considerably.
that Urban Meyer had outs in his contract for M and ND. So there is clearly the chance that he would want to come. He surrounded himself with assistant who have M connections the last few years. Chuck Heater. Teryl Austin. Scott Loeffler. He "retired" about the time that Brandon would have been feeling out potential candidates. He has stated "he will be back" to coach again.
the possibility that Harbaugh wouldn't come--for any number of reasons--has certainly loomed in many of our questions here on this board. Brandon better freaking well have a backup plan and, for me, Brady Hoke AIN'T IT.
This is my reasonable assumption about the situation.
According to a report yeasterday, the Niners have contacted Harbaugh. Because Michigan has not fired Rodriguez, Harbaugh probably expressed interest in the Niners. Why would he tell them he is not interested unless he has an offer from Michigan already? I think he is just leaving his options open, and therefore, expressed interest in the Niners job, leading to this report.
If it's not Harbaugh, Rodriguez comes back.
Dave Brandon has to already know what Harbaugh's answer would be.
Because you and I may be among the few readers of MGoBlog who've been tortured by having to follow both Syracuse and Michigan football as they were being destroyed by Greg Robinson, regardless of what decision is made concerning Michigan's Head Coach in 2011, do you think that Dave Brandon at least wil give Michigan fans and the kittens of the world a belated Christmas present by firing Greg Robinson tomorrow at the latest?
Jason McIntyre is a clueless hack.
can we make sure to hire someone who doesn't disrespect his wife? bc that is the only thing that could make this worse: doing it again two weeks later.
is $$. Those 108k+ seats in the stadium need to be sold and filled every week. The high priced alumni/donors that buy those suites on a season by season basis won't be forking over $85k to continue this mess. I had dinner with an 81 yr old guy a few weeks ago that was in one of those suites for thew Wisconsin game and members of three different suites all walked out after the third quarter and said they won't be re-upping their contracts on the suites if "that guy stays".
In the end it's all about money and the stadium and the athletic dept has to get paid for and all the extensions in the world won't sell the old alumni on RR, especially after the meltdown on Saturday. DB is a business man and his business is the athletic dept. If that stadium does sell out or if there are alot of empty seats on Saturday's, it's on him.
edit: apparently I can't type on a laptop on Mondays. Errors repaired.
New Schefter discussion on Sports Center said that Harbaugh is supposedly bitter that Lloyd Carr passed over him in 2002 when he wanted to become the quarterbacks coach.
This is why poeple think that he might choose the NFL over Michigan - because he no longer has a love affair with Michigan. At the time he was passed over he said that he "would never forget it."
I figured I'd repost for those without Rivals.com subscription. Sorry to take up space.
AztecSportsReport.com Senior Writer
Talk about it in The Mesa
San Diego State fans can relax. The only game Aztecs head coach Brady Hoke will coach at Michigan next year is Sept. 24 when SDSU visits the Big House.
And the Michigan coach that Hoke will face is Jim Harbaugh. Michigan sources say this will all play out shortly. ESPN's Adam Schefter also has been reporting Harbaugh is passing on NFL opportunities to coach at Michigan, where he played under the legendary Bo Schembechler.
For this scenario not to play out, it will take an unlikely drastic change of heart on Harbaugh's part. I would expect Brandon to have Harbaugh excommunicated as a Michigan alum if he backs out at this late date.
Michigan athletic director David Brandon, who also played for Schembechler, has been operating under the premise that he would evaluate third-year head coach Rich Rodriguez after the Gator Bowl. In reality, Rodriguez, who was hired before Brandon took over last year, has been a dead coach walking for weeks.
Brandon has been waiting for Harbaugh and Stanford to play the Orange Bowl game Monday night against Virginia Tech. This strategy conviently allowed Brandon to avoid firing Rodriguez after the Ohio State loss over a month ago.
Making a move anytime in the last month would have put Harbaugh in the position of leaving Stanford before the Orange Bowl and forcing Brandon to answer questions about what's taking him so long to name a new coach.
Rodriguez's buyout, of course, also was a factor. After Jan. 1, Michigan's buyout of Rodriguez went down from $4 million to $2.5 million.
But Brandon is too smart to not have a head coach lined up and risk putting himself in position of looking for a new head coach in January. Brandon isn't a fool. He was the steely-eyed CEO that turned around Domino's Pizza before he took over as CEO of Michigan's athletic department last year.
He in no way fits the stereotype of an ex-jock blundering his way through a a major decision.
Michigan sources say Brandon learned from Harbaugh through backchannels weeks ago that Harbaugh wanted the Michigan job. At about the same time, Hoke agreed to sign a contract extension with San Diego State.
Coincidence? It's not likely.
Hoke's mentor at Michigan was former head coach Lloyd Carr. Brandon and Carr are close. Brandon and his wife and Carr and his wife were the heads of a $754 fundraising project for the U-M C.S. Mott Children's Hospital.
You connect the dots.
Normally, of course, I wouldn't spend so much time on a Michigan story. Except this Michigan story has ramifications for San Diego State's future.
Hoke will likely end up Michigan's coach -- maybe as early as two or three years from now if Harbaugh decides then is the right time to leave for the NFL.
When that time comes, Hoke has Carr in his corner. He also has Brandon's respect. Brandon's term on Michigan's Board of Regents started in 1998 and overlapped with Hoke's time as a Michigan assistant.
Brandon and Harbaugh are Michigan Men, to paraphrase Schembechler, and Brandon considers Hoke a Michigan Man, too.
Hoke was an assistant for eight years under Carr, but that doesn't tell the full story. He was Carr's associate head coach in 2002, the season before he left in 2003 as Ball State's head coach.
For these reasons, Brandon considered Hoke his compromise choice if he met too much resistance from Michigan boosters over hiring Harbaugh, who comes with some baggage. Harbaugh, even on his good days, can be abrasive.
In 2007, he told the San Jose Mercury, "Michigan is a good school, and I got a good education there, but the athletic department has ways to get borderline guys in, and, when they're in, the steer them to courses in sports communications."
That didn' go over well in Michigan.
But Harbaugh is Brandon's first choice because he needs to make a splash with his new head coach. Harbaugh creates that splash with name recognition that will sell suites at newly expanded Michigan Stadium in a state suffering through an economic recession.
Hoke has proven himself to be a football coach that can turn around programs with less resources than he'll have in Ann Arbor. He even has the nationally televised endorsement of ESPN's Craig James during the broadcast of San Diego State's win over Navy.
But name recognition weighs more heavily in this case. In additon to the suites to fill, Michigan Stadium has been expanded to 113,000 seats. It may sound sacriligious to think Michigan can't sellout games, but it should be noted Michigan didn't sell out its ticket allotment to the Gator Bowl.
That ticket slump could be blamed on a third straight disappointing season under Rodriguez and the Gator Bowl lacking prestige, but Michigan fans usually don't pass up on a trip to Florida in the winter unless something is amiss with the program.
The only surprise about this scenario playing out is Harbaugh has decided to pass on NFL opportunities. It's long been known Harbaugh aspires to be an NFL head coach. When he coached at the University of San Diego from 2004 to 2006, even his players talked about how Harbaugh's goal was to become an NFL head coach.
But Harbaugh apparently is waiting for the right situation. He must not see this as the right time. NFL owners and players are expected to engage in a labor struggle that could result in an owners lockout or a players strike.
If Harbaugh wanted to be an NFL head coach next year, he could seek the Carolina job and tell the Panthers he's bringing Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck with him since the Panthers hold the No. 1 overall draft pick.
If he wanted to stay in the Bay Area, he could seek the San Francisco 49ers job.
Both of those jobs have been expected to be open for weeks. If Harbaugh had his eyes set on those positions, a rumor would have leaked out by now -- similar to the way rumors have leaked out about Brandon already having Harbaugh lined up.
Another example that Harbaugh is waiting for the right NFL job -- not just any NFL job -- was his decision to leave the Oakland Raiders as their quarterbacks coach in 2002 and 2003 to become the head coach of the USD's non-scholarship program in 2004.
I sat down with Harbaugh for an interivew before the 2004 season, and he told me Raiders owner Al Davis said he wanted him to stay so he could groom him to be his future head coach.
But Harbaugh told Davis he wanted to get experience as a head coach and he was following a similar path that Davis took as a college assistant coach at USC before moving on to pro football with the Chargers.
"He told me, 'Yeah, but I coached at USC, not USD,' Harbaugh said with a laugh.
If Harbaugh had stayed on the Raiders' staff, you think Davis would have hired Lane Kiffin (2007) or Tom Cable (2008) over Harbaugh? Harbaugh's smart enough to know he was next in line at Oakland, so it must not be a job he wanted.
By the time Harbaugh feels comfortable moving from Michigan to the NFL, Hoke will have the profile that will satisfy Michigan fans and make him an easy hire for Brandon. He will have won a lot of games at San Diego State by then.
Minnesota flirting with Hoke has already helped raised his profile. I told Minnesota reporters that called me for information that I didn't believe the rumors and Hoke wouldn't leave San Diego State after two years for Minnesota. Probably the only place he would leave SDSU for after only two years is Michigan.
If Hoke does eventually end up at Michigan, when SDSU searches for his replacement the Aztecs will no longer be considered a sleeping giant that needs the right man to turn things around.
By then, San Diego State will be a job that attracts a stronger cast of candidates than it ever has in the past.
And if Hoke leaves it will be the first time someone on the SDSU staff will be considered a candidate to succeed the departed head coach.