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CC: Rivals Radio this morning ... 12/8
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I can't stop watching... this is phenomenal.
Master of the wordless post!
Pretty cool find.
But I think not knowing is better.
Leaving doubt keeps the team motivated to win the Gator Bowl.
Maybe DB hasn't been able to close the deal with JH yet? If that's the case then you definitely keep RR until you know you have JH as a replacement.
If JH isn't coming then RR stays.
My guess is that Jim Harbaugh wants to coach the bowl game for whatever reason (money, loyalty, etc.), but he's already agreed to come here.
Stanford has way better weather!
This is, by far, the most logical answer. I'm not sure why there's still so much commotion and speculation.
that it's wrong?
Or JH is waiting to see what NFL jobs shake loose. The NFL season ends one day before the Orange Bowl. He's a prominent name for pretty much every team with a current opening, and SF might make the most sense if they fire Singletary.
Neither answer is any more logical than the other. Additionally, firing Rich Rod and naming an interim to coach through the bowl game would serve the same purpose.
That was my reasoning, untill I heard that Urban Meyer is "retiring". I've heard from multiple people that he has some interest in the Michigan job for the 2012 season, but you never know.
I watched every Michigan game this year too and I think he's staying. Just thought I'd inform everyone about what my opinion is on the subject.
But you're a fan where as those two are impartial. I'd rather take an unbiased opinion.
I too have watched every game this year. Except the second half of the U Conn game cause my best friend's son was getting married. Oh....and the Purdue game I listened to on the radio because I was driving up north to go hunting. And I was pretty damn drunk for both the MSU AND Iowa games (and the first half of Illinois now that I think of it) so while I was there I'm not quite sure I could tell you exactly what happened.
But other than that I'm pretty much an expert too and I say he's here one more year at least.
Missed a half? Your opinions are then disqualified. The only logical reason that DB has not come out in support of RR yet is that he is still shopping his options. Whether or not RR is asked back will depend of whether or not JH can be landed. Nothing more.
Come on Rodfather. How could you go against the family. Remember when the families all lined out against Michael. You know what he did. He took care of some family business. Remember the one that sets up the meeting is the traitor. Maybe DB wants to find out where the leaks are coming from.
I need to watch something else besides mafia movies and sports.
Just joking with you. It's not hard to figure out you where your support lies. One thing I will add there have been alot of speculation from so called people in the know. Maybe they are right, but no one knows. DB hasn't been AD long enough for anyone to figure him out yet. I don't even think he has an inner circle. You just never know.
Or maybe, the best way of getting rid of a guy is to have him set up the meeting.
after 97.1 became the idiot machine it is today
BK was in the RR stay camp, you're right - but he turned completely a few weeks ago based on the M Rivals site guy coming on saying he wasn't sure. The Rivals site guy had no inside info., was based solely on his gut feeling (i.e. delay means RR gone, Harbaugh in)
Conjecture based on conjecture of conjecturing conjectures
But otherwise King is a good listen
my first early afternoon beer
This post made my morning. I'm glad some people still have a sense of humor around here. +1.
Leave the gun.
That's one classy kitty cat.
then, dammit, it must be flat.
So somebody help me out here. Why did we stop calling them "witches!"
Get ready for some stupid pictures of cats, cartoons and the like, but I personally appreciate being informed about what members of the media (we all hate the media, rah, rah, F-them) say about Michigan.
Thanks for the post.
As to the substance, I agree with their reasoning. If DB were inclinded to bring RR back, he wouldn't leave him to twist in the wind amid this speculation for more than a month. I also agree that the timetable is hurting Michigan.
to the CC: RR posts?
didn't need its own post...basically says we would need to say sorry to him and beg him to come here
the other side of the argument ... does JH even want to come here
A Michigan Man who could save the program
WTF!? Why would Michigan apologize to Harbaugh for the uproar he caused with his dumb-ss comments? If he feels hurt by the response, then he needs to get over it - he brought it on himself. That said, I can't imagine Harbaugh is looking for an apology. Just more media speculation and reporting of so-called "facts" that are comletely unsubstantiated.
of course they want to see ufom look silly
mike hart calls him out and so did lloyd (which they should have)
of course it is speculation...what else can be done until after the bowl game?
I'm sorry that you're such a douchebag that you go for 2 up 48-21.
I love the apology that is actually an insult to the other side.
as most people on MLive do also, this is deemed ACCEPTABLE
Are they pronounced zoo-bahs or zoo-baz? I said zoo-baz the other day and was laughed at.
I would have thought not knowing about zubaz would be a good thing.
The indecision has to be wreaking havoc on recruiting. What is DB going to do, announce on Jan 2 that RR is gone, and then what? A whole new staff comes in and has all of a month to stitch together a recruiting class? That won't end well. I just don't get the waiting.
You don't get the waiting because you are smart enough to know that waiting is only hurting Michigan. Either keep Rich or fire him, but not telling anybody only hurts us and does nothing else. He may be a millionaire, but he may also be a God awful AD if he is only disrupting things more than it has to be.
Stanford doesn't play until January 3rd. The means we might have to wait until the 4th. It's going to be very interesting to see the rumors that start flying around that week.
DB has obviously seen enough to make his decision (one way or the other). The waiting is the hardest part.
From Josh Groben to Tom Petty. Nice...
As when RR got to UM I'm sure Chris Singletary/and Fred Jackson would be retained for recruiting sakes if there is a coaching change.
[T]hey both have said they believe RR is done at Michigan...And it is getting harder and harder to not take some of what they say as valid.
No. No, not really. Just because someone has a pulpit and "believes" something, doesn't make it any less speculation and reading of tea leaves. Perhaps we should ask Miss Cleo.
Coach Rodriguez still haz job.
Is sticking to his word. He said AFTER the season is over the coach will be evaluated. Everything else is conjecture and opinions. I don't give a rats ass what anybody but Dave Brandon says, regardless if they are media, blog trolls, or random fans of this team or any other. It will all come out in the wash, I don't like waiting either, but I like speculation even less. Whatever happens, Michigan football will go on.
I agree, and while it sucks, I respect what he is doing. He is basically saying "FU, i'm in charge, TFB" Bo would be proud.
Now if a change is made, then this theory goes right out the window.
or 12 pack? I think both of his small fingers are paralyzed for typing.
Either DB is like Hamlet and he can't make up his mind (can you imagine him as CEO of Domino's asking for a decision from one of his managers and the reply is, "Let me get back to you on that in a month?") or the decision is made and he is stringing RR along - which is pretty low class in my opinion. My level of confidence in DB has dropped dramatically over the last couple of weeks.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - George S. Patton, Jr.
If you know your history, you will recall that Patton was almost court marshalled for his treatment of a wounded soldier at a field hospital. He was relegated to commanding a fictitous "army" group on D-Day but was given another opportunity by Eisenhower to prove himself several weeks after the beachheads were secured. I'm not sure I want Patton making coaching change decisions if a change is being contemplated.
helped keep D-Day from being worse that it really was. I would take a team led by Patton and Rommel any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
"You magnificient son of a bitch, I read your book!"
But I'd take Rommel over Patton in a heartbeat. It is definitely true the fictitious army was effective, but there was no way the Germans were pushing the invaders back to the water (except maybe at Omaha Beach) and Patton was hurt that he was not part of the initial wave.
P.S. Great quote!
IMHO, Rommel was overrated. Coach Rod is Guderian. The father of the spread and the father of Blitzkrieg.
But once he got going forward he rarely turned around
More like Montgomery.
More importantly, who is DB like. Eisenhower. He kept everyone in line. Ike did keep the Germans guessing on D-Day. Hopefully, DB will suprise all the so called pundits.
say Ulysses S. Grant. Determined to win at all costs. Experienced a lot of casualties (board meltdowns, rants and bad press, etc.), but sealed the deal for the Union and brought the country back together.
one was a soldiers soldier
the other was a coach's coach
... I want General Sherman and I want the rest of the BT and NCAA to be the South. Sorry confederacy.
who left me with the impression of being clued in. If that impression is correct, the decision has been made and RR's not coming back.
... I do not think giving the faculty advance notice of his decision is high on Dave Brandon's list.
Holy shit!... everybody knows but RRod...well that just sucks.
I listen to Bill King every morning and as much of Childers as I can tolerate. They are in the dark as much as everyone else. I love Bill King, but he appears to have zero inside info on the Michigan situation. Tom Dienhart and Mike Huguenin frequently come on and add their two cents. The vast majority of what they say is opinion and conjecture.
Dienhart was the Rivals guy who was pushing the story on King's and Childers' radio shows that Brandon was going to fire RR at a press conference on the Monday following the OSU game -- well, until that did not happen. Now he mostly limits himself to blasting Brandon for mishandling the situation. Huguenin was on Childers' show this morning, and when Childers said it was clear that RR was done in A2, Hugenin replied he wasn't so sure and really had no idea what Brandon was doing.
FWIW, some of their other recent "misses" include:
- After JoePa had a bad day at B10 media days, they all agreed this would be his last year and that Al Golden was the likely replacement.
- Bill King repeatedly told callers from Texas that Mack Brown would never dump OC Greg Davis because they were attached at the hip.
- They were clearly surprised when Randy Shannon and Dave Wannstedt were fired, thinking they both would be given another year.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with them offering up their opinions on any of these situations, but they often leave the impression they actually have inside info and know far more than they do.
I did not have to go back three months to dig up anything. I listen to the show regularly.
And you are effectively making my point for me. Yes, Mack and Davis are close. And for that reason, most persons (including Bill King) "guessed" Mack would not replace him. That guess proved to be wrong. Same thing with the JoePa situation. Most educated "guesses" were that JoePa would retire, especially if he reached 400 wins. But Bill King did not hear that from JoePa anymore than any of us did and, surprise, JoePa has a different plan.
You seem awfully offended by anyone second guessing his credibility.
every morning. He likes RR and has been saying all along that if he was given at least 5 years to get his guys in AA it would be a championship team. The problem is that our board, boosters, fans, and supporters all can't wait that long for success. I hope we retain RR and get a whole new staff on D. However, the signs do seem to point to a change for us after the turn of the year. We owe RR 1.5 million less after Jan 1st also, so that could be yet another reason to wait.
The biggest problem I see with a big change is that we would have to start over AGAIN. We now have a team full of (mostly) ninja midgets. BTW don't list all the big guys on the team right now, I know there are plenty of bigger guys on the lines, and S. Hopkins - Our skill spots and defensive back 7-8 are small though. If JH comes in he will only recruit HUGE guys on both sides of the ball. He might just blow up our whole recruiting class and replace them with bigger guys. It could take more time to reshape this team in someone else's image than to just let RR continue.
Maybe, though, this raises valid questions about the wisdom of stocking a team with ninja midgets. It's a little narrow.
Agree to retain RR with a new defensive coaching staff. But disagree that we start totally over with a new staff. We both agree we need to blow up defense and special teams. But there are many coaches (i.e. Harbaugh) who have experience with spread and pro-set offenses and would reasonably adjust their offense - at least initially - to best align with the talent. I'm in favor of keeping RR, but think JH could walk in and post a 9 win season in 2011. On top of that, once we get up on OSU by say 20, he'll go for 2. I would love to see that moment happen.
that RR will get and should get another year. He has improved the offense now he needs to improve the defense. RR will have to find a new DC and Linebackers coach. This team could easily win 9 games next year if the defense improves as we would expect it to do. It would be a mistake to fire RR before his contract is up.
Making my head spin.
I really think the bowl game - with everyone healthy and a few weeks to tweak the defense and special teams - will tell us everything we need to know. If Brandon makes demands he shake up his staff, which he probably should, they'll have the new people on the phone ready to open real negotiations by the time the game is over.
If Michigan wins going away (and/or if secret discussions with JH stall out) we'll keep the coach. If RR doesn't have the ship running tight in all phases, all bets are off.
When are we going to start realizing that no one and I mean NO ONE has the inside scoop here?
Brian has better sources than everyone on this board combined. He knew about UM-Alabama before anyone. This source says that he does not know and neither does anyone else...except our AD.
This means that everyone with a source is full of shit. People are making inferences based on the situation that is visible to all. Anyone can do that.
So...yeah. I don't care what anyone has to say on the matter unless it is our AD, who is metaphorically out on a sailboat for the next month while the program and recruiting suffer.
I at least hope it is this one. Then it would be understandable. Possibly NSFW. Well worth bookmarking however...
let's see .... um ...drunk coeds in the Bahama's on a boat in bikini's .... yeah, think I'll wait on that coaching decision a little longer ...... Hey, where's that suntan oil ???
Go Blue !
Because he is waiting so long RR is fired? lol k...
Well i watched the experts yesterday and they said the longer he waits the more reason RR is staying.. soo take that
They said he can't be dumb enough to not know how badly it would ruin the recruiting this year if RR was fired, and the transition back to a Pro style is gonna set us back for several more years all over again.
Harbaugh isn't a long term answer as a coach, so i don't know why people have hard on's for him.. He is either signing that extension at stanford or will go to the NFL soon.. I couldn't see him being at michigan for very long
The wait-until-after-bowl-season-thing can be equally argued as an indication for RR staying or being fired. And I've been back and forth about it as well. Both sides have convincing reasons.
But they're both wrong.
It would be different if DB said a decision would be made after the OSU game, and we still don't know anything. It would be different if DB hasn't been saying for months that he would wait until after the bowl game. But since people are impatient, they create issues where none lie. And I don't give two shits who conjectures what for whether RR is fired or not, because there is exactly one person's words I care about right now: Dave Brandon's. And I mean his direct words, not what we interpret his excessively vague words to mean. Unless someone has a source that starts off with "DB has indicated...", then frankly I don't care what the "source" thinks.
Bill King has been snarky since the hire. Huge Dantonio fan playing up a picture of discipline when the facts are the exact opposite. Not once has he mentioned oversigning in the sec as a problem by keeping kids on the hook until the last moment when other rosters are full then kicking them to a feeder school in case they need them. Bill contrary to your belief NOT everyone does this. By the way are we the only school to self punish, all others wait for a ruling then appeal.
Bill King has been a big RR fan (well, until the Josh Groban song thing), but he has consistently said he feels RR is a bd fit at Michigan.
I care what DB thinks. The pundits job is to stir the pot and spin things - that's their job. Screw them.
There are a lot of ways to look at this whole thing. i've heard constant references about michigan football being irrelevant but that is anything but the case right now. Trust me...everyone is talking Michigan football. Unfortunately, some good and some not so good. Bill's point that this really hurts recruiting is something I do not agree with. There have been great changes in Michigan football (we get to do ND with the lights on and we get Saban at JJ's house). Do you think recruits don't see what's happening? Granted they want to know who's coaching but for 95+% of these kids the real decision point (LOI) is March 2011. I do think Harbaugh is coming (I do think RR has been screwed from the get go here and he got the short end of the stick) and he'll have time to help this team progress from 2010. Bottom line...we're talking U of M football all over the country but I will be glad when this stuff is finalized...
Treating the HC job of one of the highest profile positions in college sports as part of the "Administration's process of evaluation" is just naive. Sorry. This is hurting recruiting. Our program is talked about all over the media, but not for being the winningest team of all time, not for having a great season, not for picking up another 5* recruit, but for one topic - our "will he won't he" coaching decision.
To me, unless there is some plan to get JH after the bowl season (a real possibility), then DB is completely mishandling the situation. He is allowing our program to become a laughing stock, he is letting RR twist in the wind under intense media scrutiny, he is putting a young team through an admittedly uncomfortable situation and he is hurting recruiting. This isn't "just another administrative evaluation." It is one of the largest decisions in the history of Michigan athletics.
This. This is it.