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December 24th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
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CC: Rivals mods seem to be expecting some changes

The mods over at Rivals posted an Inside the Fort (super-premium info) article today.  And while I won't quote any exact information because of its premium nature, it seemed to be hinting at some big things going on in Ann Arbor:

- It sounds like an NFL coach plans to be in Ann Arbor next year (they wouldn't say whether it's a head coach or a coordinator)

- It sounds like there might be some academic ineligibility for the bowl game

- From my interpretation, it sounds like they believe Rodriguez will be here next year.

As you might expect, there's a lot of reading between the lines to be done.  So take this for what it's worth.

Have a good holiday, everyone!

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
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Hopefully the next DC

that has NFL experience can make things happen here

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
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Maybe it is Bill Sheridan who

Maybe it is Bill Sheridan who is currently in the inside linebacker coach for the Miami Dolphins.  He obviously has some ties through his current employer and his son.  What if it was a package deal with him and Nick.  Nick would come back to be one of those graduate assistant coaches.  

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
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limited sample size obviously

but I know a lot of Giants fans who thought he was a terrible DC and I totally agree.

the giants defense regressed tremendously under him despite all the talent they had. he took a pressure-based, man-to-man defense under steve spagnuolo with all that pass rush talent they had (umenyiora, tuck, kiwanuka, pierre-paul, cofield) and made them into a dropback zone coverage defense.

the results were disastrous and he was let go after a year. the father-son connection or not, i would be very disappointed if he were hired. i would rather get a proven, or even unproven guy rather than a guy who failed spectacularly in his only try...

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December 25th, 2010 at 12:44 AM
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If this info is true, then RR is returning

Then it is almost certainly a new DC.  There is no way DB would bring in an NFL coach to become M head coach: he is too well aware of the mixed performance of NFL coaches at the college level.

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December 24th, 2010 at 10:01 PM
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Please no

I am a Giants fan and I do not want to see Bill Sheridan on the sideline of any team I am ever rooting for again.

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December 25th, 2010 at 4:43 AM
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I agree...

No offense to the kid, I know he did his best under the circumstances, but Nick gave me all the Sheridan I can take on the UM sideline. One was enough.

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December 25th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
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I have nothing to back this

I have nothing to back this up. but I think he will make a good position coach.  

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December 24th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
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not to

agree or disagree anybody they get in as the DC, or even if Gerg stays the D will be better.  How much better is the real question.

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
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Looking at NFL coaches that

Looking at NFL coaches that might have a michigan tie-in....brings us back to Turgo again. Have to imagine the changes on the staff will be strictly on the D side of the ball.

 

Hopefully it's not a lot of kids who are having academic problems.

All in all the bowl cant get here fast enough and getting all this CC crap behind us will be nice.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
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Hopefully it isn't anyone of

Hopefully it isn't anyone of huge importance to offense or defensive side of the ball..

 

I know shaw struggled this summer..

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:49 PM
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I hope you're right, but I'm

I hope you're right, but I'm thinking at least one starter/contributor is in trouble or else they probably wouldn't bring it up. My guess is that it's a freshman who is still getting acclimated to the football/acamedic workload.

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December 24th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
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Maybe it's dyslexia

Maybe it's dyslexia

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
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I said this in the past, but

I wouldn't be surprised if Reggie Herring from the Cowboys comes in as dc. He was DC at Clemson when RR was OC. Dallas runs a 3-4. Him and RR are good friends still.

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
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3-3-5

I don't think the coach necessarily has to be a Michigan Man but more so a 3-3-5/3-4 guy. Now look into coaches that run those sets and I think u will be on to something.

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
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I'd imagine the friendship

I'd imagine the friendship with RRod probably counts more than the Michigan Man thing in the search unless DB is using his magic to pull someone we might not otherwise get.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
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I hope

its just a new DC! I know that would make alot of us real happy.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
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I'm confused

I'm confused as to why so many posters are quick to villify GERG for the defensive woes and at the same time complain about a) RR's "interference" on the defensive side of the ball (e.g. forcing the 3-3-5) and b) the youth/inexperience in the defensive personnel.

Which is it? Is the defense bad because of GERG or is it bad because of youth/RR's meddling? If it is the latter, then why should GERG get the axe?

The other thing I find confusing is that many posters are advocating ANOTHER change in defensive co-ordinator when many of those same posters have proclaimed that the constant changes in DC's/defenses is a major contributor to the defensive woes.

There just seems to be a lot of inconsistency/logic errors in the complaints re: the defense.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:32 PM
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I really don't think changing

I really don't think changing defensive coordinators is that big of a deal.  It has been blown out of proportion at Michigan over the past few years.  Defenses often improve when a new coordinator comes to town.

I'm certainly annoyed that Rodriguez has meddled in the defense as much as he has, but I don't think it's so much that Greg Robinson is a horrible coach/coordinator...

...it's more that Greg Robinson doesn't fit what Rodriguez wants, so it's pointless to keep Robinson around.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:38 PM
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Evidence

Do we really have evidence he is meddling in the defense?   Other than the supposed overthrow of Schaefer at Purdue what evidence do we have of this?   From everything we see RR handles the offens and Gerg handles the defense and if there is a problem(lots this year) RR talks with Gerg.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
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The fact we run a defense

That the D-coordinator has never run before. Much like we did in the Purdue game.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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Gerg going to the 3-3-5 isn't

Gerg going to the 3-3-5 isn't enough evidence for you? And I would say completely hijacking your coordinators scheme at the end of the season to put in a defense that is almost unique to Rich Rodriguez coached teams was evidence enough that he does a lot more on defense than we think. 

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December 24th, 2010 at 6:16 PM
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Or else

Gibson and Tall want to run the 3-3-5 because it is all they know, and RR goes along with it.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
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What do you think

about position coach changes (Gibson, for example)? Would that be more impactful than a D coordinator change, or do you think the D coordinator change doesn't make as much difference because the position coaches would stay the same? If the D coordinator brought his own staff would he be capable of making a more sweeping difference?

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December 24th, 2010 at 3:37 PM
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I agree with you and it will

I agree with you and it will be kind of sad  to read the "Look what happens when GERG isn't here" posts next year. It won't matter who the DC is next year. The defense is going to get better under any coordinator simply because we probably won't be running a bunch of freshman or at least highly inexperienced players out there not to mention we get our best two cornerbacks back next year.

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December 24th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
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again

not to agree or dis agree on DC coordinator change I just believe that the Def. will improve.  If these kids work out as hard as DRob and Twolf worked in the off season.  The D will be okay/

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December 24th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
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This is why GERG should be gone...

The instant this stuffed animal idea was thought of should have been GERG's last as coach.

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December 24th, 2010 at 5:43 PM
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Come on...

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December 24th, 2010 at 11:50 PM
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My opinion is

It's not only the inexperience, but the defense has been alligned incorrectly on many of the big plays that they gave up. It's one thing to have young players, but a good coordinator should at least have them in good positions to make plays. Too many times this year that wasn't the case. Any time you have your linebackers line up 3 yards off the ball you are asking for trouble.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
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thanks for the info

thanks for the info magnus..

 

This makes me think about what RR said in an article several wks ago.  He mentioned how he himself has been taking notes and grading his assistants coaches this past year and will evaluate them at the end of the year similiar to Brandons decision.  Should be interesting to hear if there is truth to this

 

If there is indeed truth to an NFL coach of some kind coming to mich and RR staying, i would obviously expect greg robinson to be gone, because someone has to take the fall if it isn't RR who goes

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
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Scapegoat

I don't see how finding a scapegoat makes the team any better.  Further, who cares if an assistant comes from the NFL.  Wasn't GERG a former NFLer?  And now he's supposed to be the scapegoat?  

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
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He's also a coach who has had

He's also a coach who has had a history of terrible Defenses everywhere he has gone, other than Texas(a team loaded with nfl talent) and the bronco's where he won a superbowl..with again incredibly talented team.. 

Everywhere else he has been his defensive stats have not been very good.  Someone posted them all on here a while back and it was alarming

 

You ask why does he have to be the scape goat?  Hmm.. well maybe you didn't watch our defense this year..  I know we had young talent, injured players and gerg was running a system he has never run before..  But i fail to believe that there isn't a D coordinator out there that couldn't make our guys play with more fire, and more desire..

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December 24th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
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Our defense

Of course I watched our defense!  That's why I think it's unfair to scapegoat GERG (as Shaffer was scapegoated before).  The defense is bad because RR neglected it.  We have unrivaled attrition, losing 32% of defensive commits during the RR-era.  RR insisted on a scheme and then stepped away from that side of the ball.  The defense is a mess for a number of reasons.  Youth and injury and two reasons.  RR is another.

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December 24th, 2010 at 4:52 PM
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What inside information and proof?

What inside information and proof do you have that RR "stepped away " from the defense?

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December 25th, 2010 at 8:27 AM
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RR

I don't know why people are so defensive of criticism of RR (like in this post), yet so willing to throw GERG under the bus.  What proof does anyone have that RR didn't and that its ALL GERG's fault?  I'm pretty sure the head coach is responsible for the team's performance (on both sides of the ball), so even if you want to completely blame GERG, RR still holds some responsibility for hiring him. 

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December 25th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
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his own words

You're talking about the coach who, after realizing that his defense sucked, publicly said that he'd spend "more time" with the defense, "maybe fifteen minutes", right?  The guy who had a total of 9 defensive recruits stick with the program through his first two years?  When the coach admits that he doesn't spend time with the defense, inside info isn't needed.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
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C'mon, Magnus

This is basically playing a game of "just the tip."

Suitception.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
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You know you like it.

You know you like it.

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
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c'mon

TWSS

to easy...

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December 24th, 2010 at 4:36 PM
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Using that's what she said

Using that's what she said when the entire context of what you were replying to was already intended to be sexual kind of defeats the purpose of using it. 

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
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diffrence btwn me and UM is

i don't make change - if it says $20, u give me $20. only have a $50? not my problem.

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December 24th, 2010 at 5:58 PM
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I Almost Hope

That Pryor does well in the NFL so that he has more chances to say/do stupid shit, and that you can stick around and let us know how you feel about things through his eyes. Please never go away. This is my Festivus wish. Now, on to the Feats of Strength!

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
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That's not how the majority

That's not how the majority of Rivals posters interpreted the RR info, but obviously they left a lot of room for interpretation.

I would, however, pay good money to watch the staff of TheWolverine, GoBlueWolverine, and GBMWolverine participate in a cage match to the death. They all seem to royally despise each other.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
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Well, there was a particular

Well, there was a particular line that made me read it that way.  I don't want to get into quoting the actual text, but like I said, it made me think that the ultimate goal is to retain Rodriguez.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
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Yeah

I definitely didn't read it that way especially when combined with other things they have said in the past.  But who knows.  The intentional vagueness is annoying, however.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
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I agree that the intentional

I agree that the intentional vagueness is annoying.  Unfortunately, there's not much else to go on.

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
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IMHO it is because no one

IMHO it is because no one truly knows what is going to happen and everyone is just throwing out their opinions with their own particular biases.  TheWolverine doesn't like RR because they don't have the same level of inside access like they did with Carr.  GBW likes RR because they have more inside info than ever with their carry-over insider. GBMW dislikes anything to do with GBW (and grammar/spelling) because their writers got banned by the Beav.

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December 24th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
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I'm glad I can't read the original

because I'd like to believe your interpretation.  And I like believing in you because you look so much like Brandon Graham.   And you're always smiling.

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December 24th, 2010 at 4:31 PM
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Well, can you at least post

Well, can you at least post that particular line with any necessary context so that we know why you have a different opinion from those on the rivals board?

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December 25th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
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What’s being floated

What’s being floated today is that there’s more than one potential outcome here, but that would mean plenty of work to do following the bowl game (starting with Rodriguez’s evaluation) - and we’re not seeing it based on what we’ve heard from everyone who knows how Brandon operates.

I took this to mean that there would be plenty of work to change regimes, and that behind-the-scenes work does not seem to be happening.  In other words, the groundwork isn't being laid to start things over again with a new coach.  I can maybe see how people would interpret that line otherwise, but that's my take on it.

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December 24th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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Heh

The different staff dynamics (heck, throw in MGoBlog) are very interesting...

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