CC: Newsflash, Rosenberg makes sense. (Stay away CC post bashers)

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

I've been as critical of him as anyone here, but Rosenberg IMO makes sense in today's article.  Basically, his point is that waiting until January doesn't make any sense unless you are planning to fire RR. Otherwise why make him and his assistants twist in the wind? 

"You can make a reasonable argument for keeping Rodriguez. He has coached only three years, his offense is working, his record got better every year, etc. But you cannot make a reasonable argument for dangling him over the edge of a cliff for five weeks, then keeping him. There is a reason nobody else in college sports operates this way. Even if the plan is to keep Rodriguez and make changes to the coaching staff, it makes much more sense to announce now that Rodriguez will be back.

Brandon is a smart man. And when a smart person does a seemingly stupid thing, you have to look at it from every angle to see what you're missing. No matter how I look at this, only one thing makes sense:

Brandon has decided to fire Rodriguez."

He may be dead wrong, as he's been many many times before, but this makes sense to me.

_DG7_goblue

December 10th, 2010 at 12:43 PM ^

I couldn't have said it better jh has that Michigan personality, self confidence and is a meer image of Bo to me. Harbough would instantly be a hero son giving an image of Michigan that would make other programs shit there pants in the near future especially osu when tressel retires in 2013.

KSmooth

December 10th, 2010 at 12:46 PM ^

Look, I'm on the fence about RichRod and open to any halfway intelligent "CC" discussion, but all we have here is Rosenberg repeating a point that's been made and dissected weeks ago.  Yeah, okay, he managed to go through an entire article without slandering anyone.  Yippee.

Maybe one of the mods should create a single sticky "inane CC blather" thread where we can post things like this along with random fan ventilations and half-baked sports-talk radio speculations.  (Except we call it something nicer, like "Ongoing Coach Change Dialogue")

I understand that the media has to pontificate and fans want to vent, so we have a "safe place" for that.  At some point I might even want to chime in myself.  When some real news comes out from a reasonably reliable source then the mods can put that up on the main board for all to see.

joegeo

December 10th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^

If Brandon had hired Rodriguez back right after a nasty loss to OSU, a lot more people would've been upset because they were still fully pissed off about the loss.  The season ended poorly, so it felt worse that in it really was.  As a few weeks go by, people can get a little perspective about the accomplishments in the season as a whole.

However, I agree with the majority that Brandon has Harbaugh #1 and Rodriguez #2 and is delaying to keep his options open.

AMazinBlue

December 10th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

which I think he's going to do, waiting until Jan. 1 save the Univ. $1.5M.  That's a good reason to wait.  Also, if he is planning a change, he most likely cannot announce it until after at least Jan. 3.  An open position without a "lead candidate" will draw more scrutiny than what is currently happening.

mich_engineer

December 10th, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^

The idea that Brandon is waiting in order to save $1.5M is insanity.  As supportive as the majority of posters here are of RR, a large amount of rich donors are equally against him, rightly or wrongly.  Looking at that poll data from yesterday, I get the feeling that if RR were fired today, Brandon could leave donation jars at all the gates for the Big Chill and easily triple that amount.

AMazinBlue

December 10th, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

a result of doing so.  DB is not going to tip his hand to anyone for any reason.  MSC has entrusted him with the responsibility and he will make the decision.  He knows what he needs to know and will do what he needs to do.  Firing the coach now and making it effective Jan. 1 causes a shit storm that is not needed.  If he's looking for a replacement or has found one, he probably is not going to announce anything until the replacement is ready to accept.

The only way waiting until Jan. 2 is stupid or insane is if he plans to keep the coach.  Then waiting makes things tense and unnecesarily rough.

markusr2007

December 10th, 2010 at 1:14 PM ^

by beating Mississippi State, stop making jovial remarks in public about his future employment status with Michigan, and continue recruiting like a maniac. If he's fired, Rodriguez will land a great job as an OC or HC elsewhere. 

Brandon is decisive. I think he's already made up his mind to keep Rodriguez another year. I don't think he's waiting for Harbaugh's season to end, or to save the university money in the deal.  Such savings will be stricken anyway with a new coach and staff.

However, I do think Brandon is smart to wait.  He probably intends to keep Rodriguez, but you can imagine how a poor defensive showing against Miss State, a bowl loss and a 7-6 finish might push Brandon over to the other side of the ledger and activate an offer to Harbaugh.

Then I got to thinking, what if after the Orange Bowl Harbaugh said "no"?  That'd be interesting.

 

swamyblue

December 10th, 2010 at 3:14 PM ^

DB has mentioned all along that the program will receive an evaluation after the season is over. It's fair to presume that this evaluation includes an evaluation on the coach and his staff.  Fair enough!  But all things considered, most of the news and debates have been focused on that very specific point - the evaluation of the coach and not the program as a whole.  Yes, he (RR) runs the program but hear me out.

I'm not making light of the "RR stays or goes debates" but I believe this perception of just focusing on the coaching decision has placed the focus squarely on that sort of 'microcosm' where as DB has to make an evaluation on the program as a whole.

I would guess that many of us would like to know the metrics used to evaluate the athletic programs.  It's a given that W's vs. L's, Fan Sentiment, Revenues, "Branding", Alumni Sentiment, Coach Relations (Is DB comfortable with his subordinates?), ect...are all to be taken into account.  My guess is that DB has a scorecard of type to truly inform him on what he deems necessary to build and run the best college football program in the nation.  The coaching eval. being just one of the metrics  (albeit, a metric of major importance! Perhaps, the most important!) on the scorecard.

Just something to think about!  Have a great weekend to all.  I may drive up to SB to root the soccer team on.

Stay True Folks & Go Blue!

CarrIsMyHomeboy

December 10th, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^

(1) By sticking to the timeline he set in February 2010, DB avoids the consequences of giving into pandering followers apropos his release of information on RR's job status (either because the public begs him to or because the media berates him for not doing so), all of which undermines his leadership and
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<br>(2) DB could--putatively--be waiting in this way because he recognizes that doing so takes a significant amount of focus off of RR and onto himself (as we see with each new day in the electronic and paper media).
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<br>Clearly, some things are much more important than perceived recruiting risks, perceived coaches' uneasiness, and perceived fan impatience (OMGtellUSnowz!). These two things qualify, in my opinion.

mgofan

December 10th, 2010 at 1:54 PM ^

To show that speculation can go both ways, let's speculate that on January 8th, 2011 DB gives RR a 3-year contract extension.  At that time he cites all the reasons he feels the program is going in the right direction

  • I  have watched the program up  close and personal and have been able to guage the head coaching ability of RR much better than most people
  • Players are working hard
  • Players have confidence in their coach
  • Players are studying hard and being good students
  • After a questionable start, the program is exceedingly clean and expected to remain so
  • Team has been making progress, expecially on offense
  • Team will make some changes (insert your own speculation) on defense and we will expect significant improvement next year
  • Program is moving in the right direction
  • We have a good football coach, as his track record has proven

This will leave several impressions

  • Sports columnists are not in charge of Michigan athletics
  • Radio talk show hosts are not in charge of Michigan athletics
  • When DB says that he intends to make a decision after the end of the season, he means it
  • Next time he waits until the end of a season to make a decision of any kind recruits, sports columnists, players and all others will know they are wasting their time speculating on why he waited until the end of the season
  • DB is in charge of Michigan athletics

Have a nice day!

Woodson2

December 10th, 2010 at 2:22 PM ^

Very well said CarrIsMyHomeboy and mgofan. Too bad there aren't as many writers in the mainstream media who see the value in sticking to a timeline. There are numerous reasons why Dave Brandon sticks to his plan. I think most Michigan fans can agree that integrity is an extremely important leadership quality. After the decision is made we will truely know who is in charge of Michigan athletics.

rudy523

December 10th, 2010 at 2:14 PM ^

RR knows he is gone, if DB was going to keep him he would said so and not let our recruiting go to hell. I think DB has talked to JH and knows if he doesn’t get him this year he is gone to the NFL. And I think DB already knows he has him so why not save the money and let JH play his bowl game and then tell his players, why ruin their big game. I think everything is already in place.

This is Michigan

December 10th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

Three coaches since 2000 have been fired after coaching their team in a bowl game:

1. John Cooper at OSU in 2000-2001

2. Paul Pasqualoni at Syracuse 2004-2005

3. Glen Mason at Minnesota 2006-2007

 

Three coaches since 2000 were given a choice to coach their team in the bowl game but were fired before the bowl:

1. Karl Dorrell at UCLA 2007-2008

2. Dirk Koetter at ASU in 2006-2007

3. Larry Coker at Miami in 2006-2007

 

 

 

Eight other coaches, based on performance only, were fired before their team's bowl.

Sopwith

December 10th, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^

though I disagree with the OP's concurring opinion on Rosenberg's article, I have to stay he started what turned out to be, post for post, the best-written thread I think I've ever seen on any sports-related website.  Every post in this thread looks like it was written by, you know, literate people.  When does that ever happen on the interwebs?

goblubigguy

December 10th, 2010 at 3:12 PM ^

Is a worthless twat that has never been right on anything and never will.  And yes that is the correct adjective as certain scents are similar to his d-bag breath.

bronxblue

December 10th, 2010 at 3:24 PM ^

The sad thing is, Rosenberg certainly has a point.  It's not an overly thoughtful point - teams retain and fire guys all the time after bowl games - but the fact that Brandon has been quiet while recruits have openly questioned whether the coach will remain certainly isn't helping the program.  All that said, sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut, and in this case Rosenberg found a sliver of an acorn that he tripped over on the way to the compost heap.

AMazinBlue

December 10th, 2010 at 4:16 PM ^

there a couple of absolutes.

1.  He's going in a different direction and cannot announce it until that coach is done with their bowl game (that coach's call).

2.  He's keeping RR and he SHOULD just announce it, waiting is pointless in that case.

Hence, it seems logical that DB is waiting for two reasons, one the buyout drops Jan. 1 and two the next coach wants it quiet until after bowl game.

Also, the argument that DB evaluates all his coaches, name one he has to evaluate beyond RR and Belien.  Hockey, baseball, softball, soccer are all winners.  He has nothing to evaluate except the top two sports.

CompleteLunacy

December 10th, 2010 at 5:43 PM ^

That there are so many opinions with so many reasonable justifications on polar opposite ends of the "Fire RR"-"Keep RR" spectrum that only one thing must be true

We know absolutely nothing.

Everything else, while seemingly logical, is just conjecture at this point. Only time will tell who's right...but I'm sick of hearing everyone's "unique" perspectives. (I know I know, maybe I should stop clicking the CC links...but honetsly, I can't!)

The other thing I have to say: It's a sad day in the MGoBlog community that someone would dig up a Rosenberg column to offer "perspective" on the CC situation. Is it surprsing what he says? Even if he ends up being correct, his extremely biased viewpoints mean nothing to me, and should mean nothing to everyone on this board.

Using Rosenberg's comments that "RR should be fired, and DB will do so" is about as credible as hearing Matt Millen say "DB should keep RR". One of those human beings will end up being correct. That doesn't mean what they say should have any - ANY - weight on the situation.

_DG7_goblue

December 10th, 2010 at 5:53 PM ^

very true, it's all speculation. come jan  it's going to make for a very interesting month with recruiting and this coaching debacle. question why does it say i have -18 points?

AlbanyBlue

December 10th, 2010 at 6:54 PM ^

Whoever said "RR as insurance policy" has it right. He doesn't want to keep RR; if he did, he'd have thrown his weight behind him. He wants JH, but he's worried about him bolting to the NFL.

RR is the backup girl on the speed dial, just in case.

ceebee

December 10th, 2010 at 6:54 PM ^

DB: Do not try and bend the coaching decision. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.

Media: What truth?

DB: There is no coaching decision.

Media: There is no coaching decision?

DB: Then you'll see, that it is not the coach that changes, it is only yourself.

uminks

December 10th, 2010 at 7:04 PM ^

Unfortunately, RR is a plan C IMO.  I was hoping DB would keep RR for one or two more years. If RR was plan A, DB would have said so after the OSU game.

My guess is JH is plan A, with plan B being DH, GP, BH or even GM.  RR showed during the football bust that he really wants to continue coaching here. I feel sorry for him and I also think he may be looking around for new gigs at UF, may be even back to WVU?

Here's hoping that DB will keep RR through his contract.

GustaveFerbert

December 10th, 2010 at 9:09 PM ^

Is that Rosenberg, Henning, et al. get to keep writing about this stuff.  There is nothing new.. Nothing different from last week, but Rosenberg needs to keep writing about it?

charliebauman

December 11th, 2010 at 1:19 AM ^

Patience is a virtue that very few women have and absolutely no men have. Brandon is the exception to that rule. How I interpret this interval is Brandon doesn't want to fire RR and then have all the speculation of hiring Harbaugh and then not being able to get Harbaugh, such as what happened three years ago with the Les Miles situation. I think the reduced buyout also plays a role in waiting.

Brandon said after the OSU game that he was very disappointed with how the season ended. That's a big clue to me that he doesn't intend to keep RR. He just wants to make sure that the hiring process doesn't blow up in Michigan's face like it did three years ago. I think the biggest question is if Harbaugh doesn't get the job for whatever reason who will? 

NOLA Wolverine

December 11th, 2010 at 4:05 PM ^

I don't see where everyone's blind faith in Dave Brandon comes from other than his strong wording in press conferences. All I've seen from his track record here so far is that he's stubborn and isn't reviewing and rectifying his decisions when the consequences arise. If we lose Dee Hart because Dave Brandon is essentially hinging his decision on the bowl game (Which is completely ridiculous, if you were going to fire him then there is far more than enough results to base it on, and if you want to let him build the program, then a shalacking in the Gator Bowl shouldn't be the last straw), then this offense gets set back for a fourth year in a row. This offense reached it's potential this year, when you don't have a threat at runningback, this past year is as good as it will get. We can't afford to get shelled for the entire first half throughout the Big Ten schedule again, we have to be able to move the ball back against them when the game is close. Dee Hart is that answer, he comes in with more realized potential than any recruit we've had in a long time. And if we lose that while Dave Brandon dangles Rich Rod over the edge of Schembechler Hall, I will lose all respect for Dave Brandon's decision making.

NathanFromMCounty

December 11th, 2010 at 4:21 PM ^

...it's the entire recruiting class.  Michigan is set to have its worst recruiting class (the only remaining top prospect we really have a shot at getting is Wayne Lyons, and that's primarily because he wants to go into engineering in addition to DI football, its considered pretty much a lock that the other prospects are going elsewhere) in the modern era because of David Brandon intrasegence and refusal to accept what modern college football is.

SmithersJoe

December 11th, 2010 at 7:01 PM ^

Quality (or lack thereof) of the journalism aside, it seems to me that "the media" generally reflects the views of it's advertisers' customers...for better or for worse.