You're right.......Rosenberg has been wrong many, many times before.
CC: Newsflash, Rosenberg makes sense. (Stay away CC post bashers)
Bad article by Rosenberg (big surprise). I think its abundantly clear what's going on and the reality is, the media just doesn't like it.
Clearly Brandon is weighing/talking to other options before he decides to bring back RR. Who those options are and what Brandon thinks is "better" are pure speculation to anyone but him so we can all complain, post, write articles, blah blah blah until we turn purple but it doesn't matter.
We obviously would be foolish to assume he's just going to bring RR back otherwise he would have come out and said as much. At this point, there is something else out there (perhaps James Joseph of Stanford fame) that has piqued Brandon's interest and to date said option has not said no. Clearly in Brandon's mind the current limbo and damage its doing, which, likely is only to recruiting in the limited term of this year, is outweighed by the long term gain. Further, if there was ever a year we could sustain a little recruiting damage, this is likely it considering how few people are graduatiing. Obvjously we need players and upgrades, BUT if you HAD to take a hit, wouldn't you want to do it in a year with all but four starters returning and you get back another former starter from injury?
As to your assertion that its essentially a foregone conclusion that RR is being fired, I say fooey. RR is clearly an insurance policy if whatever this other option Brandon is chasing can't be worked out by January. I know people don't like it said that way, but thats the only logical explanation.
Rosenberg is being douchey. He's just continuing his anti-RR jihad and the point of the article is not logical.
RR is clearly an insurance policy if whatever this other option Brandon is chasing can't be worked out by January. I know people don't like it said that way, but thats the only logical explanation.
I agree that this analysis is the most likely scenario. If Brandon had decided to keep RR he probably would have announced it because (1) it would be better for recruiting than uncertainty, (2) it would show him to be a decisive CEO type (Brandon is clearly possessed of a non-zero vanity), (3) it would keep the assistants focused on the task at hand instead of scrambling for their next jobs, (4) there is more than a non-zero chance RR can be successful, notwithstanding his disappointing (other words also come to mind) showing to date, and (5) it would give him and his talent scouts a full year to find another Tressel in the small schools (something Martin should have begun doing in 2005, despite LC's hope that one of his assistants would succeed him). But DB knows a lot of alumni are very unhappy and he is a little concerned that one more year might do lasting damage to what he so felicitously calls "the brand," so if he can get a definite crowd pleaser like Harbaugh, he leaves it open. Thus, RR's job is hanging by a thread, but the DB won't cut that thread without someone to replace him. DB is Lincoln to RR's McClellan.
Some people think DB is actually using the time to reflect and to think. I am not one of them. He is likely either using the time to find out if he can get the sexy choice in January or he is unwilling not to fire RR if the Gator Bowl is another embarrassment. As for the second, I don't buy that, because if Penn State, Wisconsin and Ohio State weren't embarrassment enough, a debacle at the Gator Bowl won't be either.
If DB hasn't yet decided on a course of action, even this waffling one, he's not the right man for the job.
and I think the ultimatum went to Rich before the Penn State game, thus Rich's horrified looks during the game. I also think Rich climbed back to "insurance Policy" status with his wins over Illinois and Purdue. If those hadn't happened, he'd be fired already.
So Rich either gets a lifeline because Jimmy won't leave his million dollar bathroom, or new restroom facilities will be installed in Schembechler hall in January.
Either way, Go Blue!
Terrible to think that a man's job hinges on whether that football bounced exactly into Hemmingway's arms in 2OT, or bounced one foot in either direction! Just a hypothetical, is this discussion even taking place if Michigan lost that game right there and finished at 6-6?
for why the most likely scenario is that RR is back only as a plan B or a plan C. Brandon knows this team could easily have been 6-6 or 5-7 (or for that matter 4-8) -- there were three games that could have gone either way. [Ironically if the ball had bounced better in 09, the team could have been 8-4 or even 9-3.] To think that the result of a Mississippi State game is going to make a difference is just not logical. When Michigan lost to Nebraska in 05, did it haunt you all offseason. Of course not. Either Brandon has already picked (and hired) the next coach, or he's waiting for his choice to decide. At best, Rodriguez' future is in another coach's hands. And, FWIW, I tend to agree with Rosenberg that waiting to January is doing a disservice to a number of folks. Aside from Rodriguez, who will get millions either way, there are assistant coaches, who work 16 hour days for a lot less than Rodriguez and may be without a job come January. They're forced to stand with Rodriguez, jump ship, or hope there are still job openings in January.
Harbaugh is the hot ticket. He won't sign an extension w/ Stanford, he won't tell Brandon yes or no. Why, because all the potential bidders (can you say Denver Broncos...San Francisco 49'ers??) have not yet placed their offers on the table. So Brandon is forced into a holding pattern. I presume he is spending his enforced waiting time looking at other potential coaching candidates. And so, on January 2 he will have to act. He'll ask Harbaugh for a yes and if he doesn't get it he either chooses another candidate or, if he thinks nobody out there is as good as Rodriguez, he signs Rodriguez to an extension. Why an extension? Because without it we go through all this uncertainty and turbulence again next year. January 2 is the day Brandon has to make a commitment to somebody.
An extension will not quiet discussion of RR's job security, only results on the field will. Even if RR is given a new contract, his performance will be evaluated at the end of next season as well, and if it doesn't meet expectations, I would expect he would be let go at that point. It might buy him wiggle room for next year (security at 8 wins?), but if the season goes poorly, his job will surely be just as much on the line one year from today as it is today.
Singletary has worn out his welcome and the Bay Area would likely cheer his hiring but the 49rs are not a good gig now. They aren't quite Cleveland or Detroit, in that there are several living people who remember when they were good, but all that means is that fans expect more of you as a coach.
Hmmm. DB won't say now that RR is going to be the coach in 2011 but is also contemplating an extension of his current contract, which has three years to run if M wants it to run that long?
the point of the article is that it is wrong to have RR twisting in the wind, and you essentially agree that he is in limbo. Do you think that is fair to RR and the right way for DB to go about things?
While I feel sorry for RIch and his family, and his staff's families, and the team with the limbo, he's not meeting all his metrics [to put it in business terms], and the stakeholders are unhappy with the results. So Rich needs to do what he can in the interim to make sure if he gets the lifeline, he's ready to fix the performance issues, and even if he doesn't, he'll be a viable candidate somewhere else.
Besides, he makes a lot of money, and will get a lot if he's let go. Don't feel sorry for guys with parachutes ...
Really; how much reporting on the signifcant, relevant "metrics" do you see in the newspapers, and hear about on the radio?
They aren't reporting any metrics at all. The metrics get reported at MGoBlog in painstaking detail by our blog-host and his capable helpers. Not at the Free Press. Here at MGoBlog, where the most fanatical and critical supporters are parsing the greatest amount of data, the vast majority supports Rich Rodriguez.
Meanwhile, over at the Free Press, and on the radio, they are obsessing about things like Josh Groban and some biblical references from Coach Rodriguez. (In all of this, I remain slightly uncomfortable about the seeming dissatisfaction on the part of critics related to "bliblical passages" being quoted by Rodriguez. I have the strong feeling that for a lot of Michigan football players and assistant coaches -- the guys who, uh, do all of the hard work in the Michigan football program -- those passages have enormous meaning. And that for sportswriters who spend their Sunday mornings getting coffee and danish in the press reception area at Ford Field, those passages are like a weird foreign language.)
The Free Press hasn't been making a quantitative argument against Rich Rodriguez. They've been making a qualitative, ad hominem, and remarkably falsified argument against Rich Rodriguez.
The only metrics I've seen them use is total W-L and Big 10 W-L. They do not even break them out to show season by season. They aggregate them to paint a less than optimal picture of the program and use it as the only arguement. They totally disregard progress and future potential.
I know this is a controversial opinion, but WINS AND LOSES ARE THE ONLY EFFING THINGS THAT MATTER. This is a sport, bro.
I respectfully disagree. Wins and losses certainly matter, but in my mind, and I know others, they're not as important as fielding a team that represents the University in a positive light without the undercurrent of serious NCAA violations and/or shady recruiting practices. I would not trade places with Auburn at the moment.
Considering the Freep debacle to be a hatchet job (and I do) I think Rich has done an admirable job maintaining a tradition of keeping the program stocked with guys who are good citizens and fun to cheer. I understand that every program has a few bad apples, but you need only look up at East Lansing to see a program that places wins over conduct. I wouldn't want to be a part of that either.
I will not be upset with a coaching change. And I will not be upset if Rich stays on. But to make a blanket statement that W/L records are the only that that matters is a little short-sighted.
Those other items you mentioned are important, but only as a baseline. A coach should be expected to run a clean program with "good citizens," and should immediately be fired if he is not. However, this is just the baseline that he can't fall below - not the final measure of his success. That measure would be W/L record, assuming that he has met all those other requirements - a great guy running a clean program with good kids should be the absolute minimum expectations, and shouldn't even be weighed against performance.
How do you even measure that? Where do you draw lines? One player makes a poor extracurricular decision? Two?
I think the "how the job is done" is on a continuum just as much as the "what is done." I can't believe either is easy to measure. Certainly not as easy as W/L. What you are saying sounds great in a controlled environment, but in the present situation, its so much more complicated.
But, the baseline must be the case in both the "how" and the "what."
I agree we don't want to be like MSU. We'd have to increase the county jail capacity and hold practices in the courtyard.
I don't necessarily do it respectfully. This is a college sport, and it isn't the SEC.
How do you balance that argument against your tagline?
Josh Groban? Isn't everyone obsessed with him?
In college football right and wrong are pretty much defined by wins and losses.
So maybe you could make a moral argument he shouldn't be left twisting in the wind. However, if he had more wins RR could be pulling the reverse on us and flirting with open coaching positions and then yoiu say its not fair to the school.
I think Rosenberg just wants SOMETHING to write about and Brandon is giving them nothing.
whether Harbaugh signs the extension offer. If that happens, RR is back unless Peterson (Boise State) or Paterson (TCU) are available.
There is no way Harbaugh turns the job down, extension or no extension.
I don't think that extension means jack. If it did he would have come out and signed it. If our illustrious leader of athletics is in fact chasing James, it'll be between us and the NFL.
As I've obnoxiously posted before, until I hear it from either James' or Brandon's mouth that James is not an option for us, he's clearly an option.
I don't think it is a sure thing that JH takes the job. If it was, RR would already be gone and some assistant would be manning the helm for the bowl game. Harbaugh may well have his eyes on the pros and it would not make sense for him to take the Michigan job if that is his aspiration. In 3 weeks we will know a lot more. Speculation at this point serves no purpose as we are unlikely to learn anything meaningful in December.
seem so irrelevant these days. I don't disagree; but three years ago, it seemed like the whole world was obsessed with the moral certitude surrounding Rich Rodriguez's WVU buyout clause.
Let's just agree, shall we, that buyout clauses are negotiated, and ultimately resolved in litigation, by teams of lawyers working on behalf of coaches and universities who are nothing more than clients who place the outcomes in the hands of those lawyers.
We'll see what happens with "Harbough." But what we know from past experience was that the local press in Detroit and Morgantown went into a hysterical freakout over Rich Rodriguez's buyout clause, for little apparent reason.
As much as I hate to admit it, Rosenberg's explanation probably is the most likely . There are plausible (albeit, less likely ) alternative explanations:
1. DB really wants to see what this team can do with a few weeks to get healthy and get coached up
2. DB believes it would be untenable to voice support for RR now from a public relations standpoint, but believes that a strong bowl performance might make it possibe.
3. DB wants to see what Harbaugh can do against a (somewhat) worthy opponent. Methinks that if the Oregon game had been later in the season, there would be less chatter.
My question is, if Rosenberg is right, why wouldn't RR ask for his walking papers now so that he can look elsewhere in time to find another gig? Would he be within his rights to do this, or is he basically held hostage by DB?
If Rich asks to be released from his contract, he will forfeit his buyout of $4m (allegedly $2.5m after Jan. 1). He might also have to actually pay money to the school for him being the party who broke the contract. Dave Brandon isn't holding Rich hostage, but the financial reality sure prevents Rich from walking prematurely.
Addressing your other points:
1. Waiting until the team is healthy really only gives a data point relevant to early season games and bowl games. Teams don't stay healthy all year. On top of that, we all know that Rich can win early season games - the question comes if the team can win when its NOT healthy, tired, and worn down. The answer so far has generally been "no," and the bowl game will not address that issue at all - the season is not played with one month in between games to get healthy and coached up.
2. If Brandon is waiting in order to make retention more palatable to fans, he's taking an awful risk in waiting until after the bowl. A debacle is still a possibility. IMO, if Brandon wanted to wait for fans to calm down but still keep RR, he'd announce retention some time between now and Christmas. Too soon, and he still has anger over the recent OSU loss. Too late, and he looks like an idiot for announcing support for a coach, then watching him go out and potentially immediately lose in embarassing fashion.
the terminology "It is obvious" or "The only possible explanation" when it comes to the issue of why Brandon is waiting until after the bowl game. As I have stated before, maybe we should take him at his word when he says that his policy is to wait until after the season is over (for football and every other sport). And maybe the reason for waiting is so he isn't forced into making a decision or an announcement about some coach's status everytime some writer, talk show host, alumni or UM fan starts complaining about said coach. You take the hit now and then when the situation comes up again you can say that I am going to do the same thing I did back in 2010 with RR, I am going to wait until the season is over and then complete my evaluation.
Now it is possible, maybe even likely, that some other reason exist. Maybe one of the scenarios mentioned turns out being correct. My point is, just don't say that it is obvious or that it is the only possible reason.
There is a reason that a coach getting fired after a bowl game is a rare occurrence. It pretty much kills recruiting for a year and damages the program more than an earlier change. I would even think that if JH wants the Michigan job, he would want to make the move now rather than wait. It isn't like Stanford is playing for anything. Waiting makes no sense for RR or JH so I can only assume that Brandon doesn't know what he is doing and that this will end badly. My confidence in DB is fading fast.
I'm not seeing how this helps the program, helps RR, JH or most importantly, the University. If Brandon doesn't have enough data points to draw on and make conclusions regarding RR's performance, we may be in trouble. Unless RR's performance goals have one or two items to check off before being concluded (e.g. Bowl win), I can't see a good reason (strictly from a performance evaluation perspective), to wait. What else is DB going to learn in the next 3-4 weeks?
Now... if DB is waiting to see how the bowl game turns out... doesn't it seem that the damage of waiting is far weightier than the value of knowing whether RR can beat MSU or not?
Coming from an HR guy, this just seems annoying. That said, I am truly hoping that on Jan 2, this all makes sense.
Brandon has consistently said he won't decide until after the season and he won't decide until after the season. If he decides now, then the media, fans, others win and he doesn't. If he waits, then everyone will realize he's in charge, isn't easily influenced, etc.
It may be bad if Brandon decides to fire RichRod to do it this way in the short-term, but in the long-term it also shows coaches that the program is completely stable and helps coaches avoid distractions, at least in season...intense pressure can create a self-fulfilling prophecy and help contribute to losses.
Personally I think it is likely Brandon sends out a tweet and says, "RichRod stays. Great Man. Great Strides. Great Program. Easy Decision." It shows the ridonkulousness of everyone's madness to downplay the decision and sets a good precedent for current and future recruits that this man is doing a good job and keeping him was never in question.
Of course, RichRod may get fired. But I just stress that DB is going to do it his way to show he has control over decisions and no one else has any effect on him. DB may make the decision Jan. 2, but he will even make sure he and Rich review tape first before telling Rich the decision. And it will be absolutely consistent every year.
Being pissy that they're not getting the story they demand
Agree, Mike Rosenberg is just scraping the bottom of the barrel for material.
Dave Brandon has shut down all communication outside of those in his extremely close inner circle and the Freep is further from that circle than we are at MGo. Rosenberg is just pissed that he doesn't have anything to write about because a.) he can't stand RR and therefore doesn't want to write any positive human interest pieces between now and DB's decision, or b.) doesn't know anything about football x's and o's and therefore can't write any meaningful breakdowns of our actual play in which a JV high school player couldn't point out numerous flaws, or c.) he really isn't a good writer and can't come up with fresh stuff.
I'm not a CC post basher, it just doesn't make as much sense as the OP claims. I don't agree with the logic that it is the only plausible scenario for why DB is waiting until the end of the season. It just seems to me the OP was persuaded via emotion because there isn't much substance.
It could because DB is lining up a new head coach, sure. It could be because he is helping RR line up a new DC. It could be that he honestly is sticking to the system of evaluating his managers that has worked for him his entire career, and knowing Michigan is a destination job even if he offers in January to someone besides JH (although I don't think there are any other realistic candidates that cause a reason to get rid of RR and, full disclosure, I want to keep RR). I don't know and neither does Rosenberg; the difference is Rosenberg is grasping at straws.
To be sure, what he has written today is a "column," not an "article." Rosenberg's not reporting anything, other than his opinion. As I briefly read it in a print copy just a while ago, Rosenberg didn't interview anybody. (Who, at Michigan, has talked to any Free Press reporter or columnist lately? Other than standard press conferences? Even in Drew Sharp's recent diatribes, I got the impression that Sharp was just standing around, with his customary dumass expression, listening as Brandon answered questions in the tunnel at Crisler for the Harvard game.)
Rosenberg didn't share one bit of new reportorial information. This was, as he might be the first to admit, just his opinion as a columnist. It was a content-free, information-free, column.
And where, we might ask, does Rosenberg stand on the issue of Rich Rodriguez, as a columnist?
This was Jon Chait's position, going back to September of 2009. That Michael Rosenberg could play the role of investigative journalist under an editor's supervision. Or he could be an opinion-writing columnist, which really is what he is, and was before Stretchgate. He can't play both roles. At least not within commonly understood journalism ethical guidelines. Which the Free Press steamrollered more than a year ago.
The entire mechanism of the Free Press has now been exposed, as an organ that is consumed with defending its own disastrously flawed reporting from a year ago, and by extension, consumed with seeing to it that Rich Rodriguez, whom they despise, is fired, and replaced by Jim Harbaugh, with whom Rosenberg apparently enjoys special access. (Witness the SI article from October.) The same kind of "special access" that Mitch Albom enjoyed with Bo Schembechler, via co-authorship deals, and that Rosenberg himself enjoyed with Lloyd Carr.
To the extent that anyone thinks the Free Press has a "right" to publish whatever the fuck it wants, that of course is true. To the extent that readers of the Free Press think that they are reading ethical journalists who are just covering a topic and not attempting to drive an outcome -- that is a joke.
Thanks Section 1. No matter what happens with the CC situation, I will never forget who fan the flames. And I think we can all agree that DB knows this and whatever his decision, the FREEP would be the last to know.
You can make a reasonable argument for keeping Rodriguez. He has coached only three years, his offense is working, his record got better every year, etc.
Nice of Rosenberg, to have avoided saying, Well, he's doing a pretty good job, yada yada yada.
But what gets me about this, going back to August of 2009, was that the Freep's moral outrage -- going right up the chain of command to sports editor Gene Meyers who quietly presided over the debacle, to publisher Paul Anger who publicly and pointedly defended Rosenberg and Snyder, and attacked their critics -- was aimed squarely at Rodriguez over potential harm to the well being of student athletes and a competitive advantage to the team.
If that really were true, if the Free Press still stood by its original story, then I can't understand why Rosenberg would fake an argument that Rodriguez is still fit to be a coach, anywhere. Rosenberg just can't keep a story straight. It is all a matter of hit-and-run. He must think that his readership's memory is as short and as bad as his own.
The fact is that a further investigation demolished the original Free Press allegations. The falsity of the original reporting now seems to be no big deal to Rosenberg. It had, after all, the desired effect. Rosenberg's desired effect.
Before the crusade by the FREEP, I didn't know Rosenberg from a hole in the wall. But, I think he may be hedging himself. I said in your other thread, that he hasn't been bashing as much lately, although I don't read the FREEP or SI anymore. I thought he may be softening his stance because guess what, there is a thought running through his head that Coach may be here next year and much longer.
He is much smarter than Sharp and I think he knows that if Coach Rod makes it through these next few years, he may be here for a long time. Let Sharp do the dirty work, he's hedging himself because either way he may come out looking ok.
DB is a football guy (and a business man) who will do whatever he can to restore the glory of UM football. He saw what Don C did. I have seen this scenario many time in my business career where the VPs squirm when a new CEO is hired. I believe DB has another candidate in the wings or is testing the waters. RR is a hire he would not have made, but will keep him if he is the best he has until he gets someone better.
I am not sure DB would not have hired RR. Wasn't DB a regent who assisted in the search. I may be wrong.
David Brandon was NOT "a Regent who assisted in the [coaching] search." I have it on excellent authority -- it is hardly disputed -- that Bill Martin enlisted the advice of a number of people in his coaching search. David Brandon, who was at that time NOT a Regent, may have spoken with Martin. There were a number of former players who did.
What Martin faced at that time, and what any AD at Michigan faces, is that if he convenes any kind of a search panel, committee, etc., he must immediately deal with Open Meetings Act and public disclosure issues under Michigan law. So Martin did what he did very, very informally. Bill Martin doesn't have to disclose every conversation he had while AD. But he, and now Brandon, do have to deal with FOIA, etc.
Thanks for clearing that up. I always thought that DB had some say in the hire.
Probably not the place for it, but does it seem like Sharp gets a pass from some, I repeat some people and Rosenberg gets roasted. I know Rosenberg is the original atagonist, but I lumped them all together(Sharp, Rosenberg, and Snyder).
What is your view or what do other people think of this.
My personal view is that the August 30, 2009 story was driven entirely by Mike Rosenberg, with only some assistance from Mark Snyder.
Mark Snyder, I feel, was not predisposed to do a hit-piece on Rich Rodriguez, but as with all of the Freep staff, he has dug in defensively for the long haul now.
Drew Sharp is just a waste of time. He had nothing to do with the 2009 story. Drew Sharpton's business is controversy, argument and controversialism. Mostly, just for the sake of argument. Can anybody remember the last time that Drew Sharpton wrote anything that didn't have pissing some people off as its purpose? Seriously. There are some really good sportswiters in the world; people who can weave together sporting history, and current reporting, and who have terrific literary skills. Sharp has none of that. The more time he spends bloviating on sportstalk radio, the dumber he seems to get. And with good reason, obviously. Now, of course, Sharp defends his Freep colleagues every chance he gets. Even though he didn't do the original story, and doesn't even seem to be very well informed about it.
I called into Sharp at WDFN once and was put on the air, and challenged him about the 2009 story. Just as one "for instance," I suggested that it was a grossly unfair angle, for Rosenberg and Snyder to have waited until the Friday before the Saturday on-line publication of the Sunday paper, to tell anybody about the story. Having never interviewed anybody in Compliance Services, or anybody in the athletic department besides disgruntled "former players." Sharp said I was wrong. I wasn't wrong, I was right. My version is confirmed by Rosenberg, and by Bruce Madej, who is the guy who took the call from the writers demanding the Friday meeting. Sharp didn't know the real story; he just wanted to disagree with me.
It's just a small indication of the larger picture, of what a low-level bottom-feeder Drew Sharp is.
While they are both Free Press writers, Michael Rosenberg is getting regular commission work from Sports Illustrated, while Drew Sharp is on local AM sportstalk radio. There's a difference.
as evidenced by my replies below. But why do you use "Sharpton" ?
I see that as nothing but a bigoted use of someone's name. If i'm wrong here please let me know, but I feel that using that is unnecessary
With conveniently similar last names. And I think it makes a point.
The point has absolutely nothing to do with race. Thank you for asking, to make that point clear beyond any question.
A racist, or a race-baiter, should find no intellectual space in the grand tradition of Michigan football, from the magnificent Willis Ward, whom I was privileged to meet when I was a boy, to scores of the finest Michigan Men and All-Americans, to the remarkable honoring of one Jesse Owens of The Ohio State University in a memorial at Ferry Field, to the present day.
I hope you realize i wasn't "calling you a racist", just asking for clarification on a statement that might be perceived as such.
and clarification received
I realize it could be a problematic reference. If I can't explain it to anyone's satisfaction, I ought not make it at all. There needs to be more sensitivity, I'd agree, if we were making any nameless generalizations. But Drew Sharp, who has personally advocated the firing of about a hundred different officials in sports, and who has made a career out of outraging people, is not a person to be treated with any special sensititvity.
Thanks again. Not being in the Detroit area for the last 15 years, I have no idea about their previous work or any possible agendas. I really appreciate you clarifying and giving you opinion on these topics. There seems to be more people on here that like Sharp more than Rosenberg, although I don't really see much of a difference.
Sharp went up and asked Brandon some questions before the game. His article the next day could have been predicted. Brandon didn't give him too much time from the impression people who saw it got, though.
Somewhere out there is a budding journalist who dreams of a career as an investigative reporter. I see a large bullseye on the Freep's back, just waiting for someone to target them over this entire
story issue debacle conspiracy thing.
Odd, this doesn't make any sense to me.
I think M. Rosenberg is right when he says there is an angle we are not seeing
I am sure in time this will all make sense
onto the ledge in the first place. This article means nothing.
Can't open the barn door, then complain there aren't any animals in the pen!
One hypothetical is that DB will not fire RR until he has already found a new head coach and all but signed him. Of course, this is all hypothetical, so I'm content just putting my trust and faith in DB without the rampant speculation. I'm good with either scenario (not firing RR, or firing RR with a smooth transition). I'm not good with a scenario whereby a coaching search is necessary after RR is fired. I think everything will be fine, DB seems pretty competent up to this point.
BUT one thing I am sure of is unless Brandon has his guy all lined up, he will not fire RR. He saw what happened last time and will not let the University go through that all over again. Especially when you consider all the other searches and openings that have and continue to pop up.
A CEO and the majority of high-level business executives are typically very well thought out and calculated with their actions. The reason they do this is two fold 1) so the chance of their ass getting left hanging in the breeze is minimized or all but eliminated and 2) their reputation and ego remain at a high level.
So I have 100% confidence in only one thing of this whole "end of season time frame" DB will only make a change if and when his new man is locked in.
Also why are we not hearing Harbaugh's name brought up in other coaching searches
because you don't mess with the girl another guy has eyes for. Especially if that guy has a history of being bigger and better than you.
If this was the case, Urban Meyer would have been at Notre Dame the last six years
ND isn't exactly bigger and better than Florida these days.
actually i just heard it brought up for people to replace meyer at florida the other day by the MSM.
Joe Schad was having diarrhea of the mouth the other day on CFL about the UF opening.
You can't read a story about the 49ers without seeing Harbaugh's name mentioned.
The fucking msm hates this. First RR opens up the Michigan program, lets reporters and media in. Access like they've never seen at Michigan. Then they proceed to "hate" on RR and make his like miserable for no reason what-so-ever. Now DB comes in and is basically telling the msm to "go fuck yourselves, you won't see or hear a damn thing from Michigan until we're ready to let you know something".
Status-quo has been restored and they freak out, cry foul and wonder why.
Seems pretty obvious to me and everyone else here.
I, personally, dislike the uncertainty and situtation RR is put in, but it's good to see the MSM squirm a little. I guess that's some good collateral damage from this.
and think that they are somehow still part of that group. They have such an inflated opinion of themselves that they can't envision a world where they are not needed, where people won't rush to kiss their respective asses regardless of the tripe they spew. If they are squirming now, imagine how they would writhe with RR at the helm of a winning program.
All of those assholes at freep and detnews can go fuck themselves. Go punch a dolphin or a donkey Rosenberg.
Lynn Henning, for one, and his stupid comments. Sure, he didn't claim emphatically on the radio that RR would be fired the Monday after The Game (like that ass clown Tom Deinhart wrote), but he insinuated as much and has yet to admit he was wrong in the least bit. "Blah Blah I was just giving an opinion." That happened to be pandering to the audience in Lansing, Lynn, you're transparent.
I'm sick of all traditional Detroit media that covers Michigan except the Ann Arbor News and M Daily sports (when I was in school, I was def not a Daily fan). Say what you want about those two, they at least seem to find some interesting news besides broad-based speculation about something in which they have no knowledge (ahem, see today's Rosenberg CC thread)...
Worst thing about Sharp is that he brings nothing to the table on any of the sports he covers.
He covers other sports? I though all he covered was Michigan football. Seriously, I thought he just digs through trash behind Schembechler Hall looking for damaging info
My saying that he covers other sports gives him way too much credit. Drew Sharp makes me long for the glory days of Rob Parker.
One of many things I dislike Parker for: Channel 2/4/7 late night sports edition, Parker would always cite his "moles" in giving some key insider information about a Detroit sports team. First couple of times I watched, I actually believed his "moles" were credible. Later I realized his moles were probably the guys that hung around his barbershop.
if MSU wins a BT title they have surpassed UM as the best in state program, their program is on the right track, their coaching is better, yada, yada, yada. If, however, UM wins a title, then it doesn't mean anything because the BT is weak and UM would only finish 3rd or 4th in the SEC, etc.
Drew Sharp writes for the Free Press--not the News.
I stand corrected, thank you.
I hate the MSM as much as anyone else, and it is nice to see them miserable with nothing to write about but speculation.
But, I would hope that DB's decision to stick to this timeline is not based upon a desire to screw around with the media. DB's timeline has, by RR's own statements, put RR in a unique situation, and it has subjected RR to even more media scrutiny. It has also placed our team at a competitive disadvantage with respect to recruiting. And, while RR may have a $2+ buy-out clause, and makes a lot of $$, the same is not true of his staff. If they are going to be put out of a job, they deserve the right to go out and apply for the many current opening now, and not after those openings are all but filled.
So, while it is nice to give the media a big FU, there are many others that may be receiving that same FU.
Brandon is not simply wanting to screw with the media in general.
I do think it is pretty clear that he has an overwhelming dislike and disresepct for the Free Press. He's said so, publicly, on an ever-increasing number of occasions.
Brandon, and the Athletic Department, have been giving exclusive info and access to Freep competitors like Lynn Henning of the Detroit News (that didn't work out so well), Larry Lage of the AP, and a few assorted broadcast outlets. Nothing to the Free Press.
But in the end, this whole controversy, and all of the supposed urgency, has been driven by the media in the first place. The newspaper columnists, who have done nothing to earn anyone's respect, seem to be angry that Brandon hasn't answered the question they created in the first place. The exposed position of the Free Press is apparently, Hey, we've created an issue of doubt pertaining to Rich Rodriguez's future! Why haven't you dealt with that issue?
Brandon (unless i'm wrong) has never said he's firing or considering firing Rich. He's going to evaluate the program. That doesn't mean he might fire the coach. He's going to evaluate every program.
My hunch is DB is treating this like there is no news. "Rich is going to move on to year 4 in a 6 year contract. Eff You media"
DB doesn't have a timeline/announcement because there is nothing to announce. That doesn't make sexy news stories, but DB's job isn't to make sexy news stories
To believe that, though, we'd have to believe that DB is willing to hurt the program in order to spite the media. Obviously, an uncertain coaching situation in the early December recruiting season is a bad thing. It hurts RR's ability to sell the program to potential recruits. It allows all kinds of negative recruiting. etc.
And this approach doesn't actually hurt the media, rather, it creates all kinds of opportunities for newspaper stories and columns about the uncertainty at Michigan, what Brandon should do, etc.
As DB has said multiple times, he goes to practice, etc.
Dave also meets with recruits. for all I know in every meeting with a recruit DB says
"Look, Michigan is such an institution that all kinds of media outlets will report anything. Our coach had a corny song played at a dinner and it was national news. That's because we are Michigan and we are awesome. Our coach isn't going anywhere. I'm not saying this publicly because I dictate how things are run at Michigan, not the media, not a few angry alumni. They can make as big a stink as they want but guess what, we don't care. We don't cater to anyone here at Michigan, they cater to us. You saw that we had the 5th best offense in the country being run by kids who were playing High School football like you 2 years ago. You're gonna want to come here and be part of that offense (or help reclaim Michigan's defensive dominance...)
Now... have some cheesybread
On another note - who says there is actual uncertainty in the program? or with the coach? The media. DB hasn't said anything to that effect
The media is saying there is uncertainty. In the absence of a contrary narrative, that, in and of itself, creates uncertainty. I'm sure other schools pursuing recruits are directing them to those stories and reiterating the stories in their own right.
I have a hard time believing that, if Brandon was telling recruits that RR would be the coach next year, that information would not have leaked out through twitter, rivals, facebook, etc.
I know that on some level with this type of stuff perception can become reality (I believe in this case it has... see all the 8675309 CC posts)
I just don't believe Brandon is bending to that. In terms of leaking.... yeah, they're 17 year olds and they probably could break the story in this day and age... but DB could also probably put the fear of whatever he wanted into these kids in terms of "Don't go tweet or tell the media, that'll just do something bad"
Absolutely, we have no idea what is really going on. I think half the MSM already predicted that Coach Rod would be fired already. I know he goes to practice and meets recruits. I hope your hypothetical conversation with recruits is true, but I doubt it. If it was true, Dee would be enrolling early.
While you are right, most of us go through year end reviews and usually, they are pos/negs for the past year and statement of future goals. I think rarely has someone gotten let go. This may be the case in the world outside of football.
I think that if this is really DB's motive for waiting is how he handles his SOP, then so be it. Everyone manager operates differently, but the problem I have is that Coach Rod seems to be stressed and worried. I can only guess it is because he thinks he might lose his job and his staff would be let go. Again, this is my guess. Maybe he looks stress because he is worried about the bowl game or other issues. I am sure DB sees this, if this is really just a review, he should reassure Coach. This is the main reason why I think this is just not a regular business review. Again, all my speculation.
"Rich is going to move on to year 4 in a 6 year contract. Eff You media"
This is what I've been hoping will happen, and at the end of the day it looks like DB's just fed up with the media and is not going to let them dictate is actions one bit, he's sticking to his timeline, evaluation, and decision.
this whole "evaluation period" is a nice cover. This way, Brandon has a stock answer for the media and can operate behind the scenes without revealing anything to anybody. No more Herbstreit blowing up a potential Miles hiring (who knows if it would've happened anyway), and no pressure cooker/loyalty test for the next potential coach when he's linked to another program weeks before his bowl game. Brandon can make his move, or decide not to, without embarassing any of the involved parties. On the other hand, what if Brandon has some sort of handshake agreement with Harbaugh and Michigan steamrolls MSU in the bowl game? I think the evaluation period is nice stiff arm to the media in any case. Their involvement in the last CC was certainly no help and probably a hindrance.
I don't think they hate this. It gives them something to write about for a month without any need to back anything up. That's gold for columnists.
I hate the Freep as much as any Michigan fan, but I think that Brandon has completely failed to control the message here the way he successfully did with the NCAA issues. In that case, he was able to make it very clear through multiple outlets what his position, and the schools position were, and he really pre-empted any potentially bad coverage. Here, speculation is running wild, potentially doing harm to the program, and there is nary a word from DB to quash it. I think that one of his biggest failures with the coaching situation has been his complete inability to control the narrative.
I just think rosenberg likes the fact that he gets to say RR is fired..
A lot of reasons to bring him back and some to let him go, but i think it's bs to can him after 3 short years.
Bring someone in to fix the D situation, and we would be fine.
Should be interesting to see who all stays and who leaves if RR is canned, cause some of our best pickups for this class prob won't stick around to sign.
Congratulations OP, you have won a free Jack in the Box taco.
that, is greasy.
I honestly think Rich Rod will be given one more year. I think David Brandon is taking his time to see how the team responds to the bowl game, and to save face with both sides in the coaching debate.
.......people are missing here, and it may be a product of the times where they believe that people always have an ulterior motive for everything, is that DB may just be telling the truth and honoring his original statement.
Remember that one? He basically stated, well into the season, that he wouldn't make any decision until after the season was done, and that it included the bowl game(if we went to one).
Maybe, just maybe, DB is one of those truly honorable people who does what he says he will.
There is being honorable, and then there is being either unfair, stubborn or naive.
Two scenarios (as we all know):
1. RR is fired on January 3:
What is fair about making RR mis out on an opportunity to apply for the Pitt, Miami, Florida, Colorado, etc. jobs? Same question for his staff, most of whom probably's can't afford to be out of work for a year. If DB is just sticking to his timetable because he laid it out months ago, this is unfair to all of these people.
What about recruiting. With the conspiracy theory that DB's timetable is all related to maximizing his chance of getting JH, I can at least understand it. If DB is just sticking to his time table because that is what he said months ago, then he is naive. This is impacting recruiting. RR even admitted that the timeline presented obstacles. Getting the new coach in place ASAP would allow that new coach a few extra weeks to try to sure up our recruiting class and convince other kids that he previously recruited at his old school to come to Michigan.
2. RR is retained on January 3.
If this happens, then DB is just an ass. Sorry, I know that he is popular and that many will neg me for that opinion. He is not an ass for keeping RR - there are arguments for both sides of that decision. He is an ass for allowing a good and decent man (RR) to twist in the wind for a month, while he and his family deal with mounting uncertaintly and media scrutiny, when he could have made the decision a month earlier. He is equally an ass for putting RR's staff through the same unnecessary uncertainty.
Ditto for recruiting. If RR is kept, then failing to make the announcement earlier provided yet another obstacle for RR's recruiting efforts (as if there aren't enough) with no discernable benefit.
So, basically, I can understand DB's timetable if there is a real reason to wait so long to decide (and there is only 1 reasonable explanation that I have heard). If he is just sticking to his guns, then this is not honorable in my opinion - it is stupid.
If RR thinks his job might be in jeopardy, nothing is stopping him from inquiring to Pitt, Florida, Miami, etc....about their coaching vacancies.
I am sure that he can inquire. But, if a school is hiring, they will want to make a decision now, and not after January. The best that RR can do is tell a school, "look, you know my situation, and if M fires me, I would love to come to your school, but I won't know until January 3 or after."
What school is going to go for that? Unlike Mr. Brandon, most schools understand that uncertaintly is deadly for recruiting in the current age of negative recruiting. It is also unfair to the current players.
So while RR can inquire, he cannot do so in a manner that would make it likely that he would find new work.
Also, what would the reaction of the Michigan fanbase be if word leaked out that RR is inquiring about other jobs? I, for one, would feel that with the way the fanbase has treated him, he is 100% justified, but I think that RR actually is a very stand-up guy, and wouldn't do that to his team.
The best that RR can do is tell a school, "look, you know my situation, and if M fires me, I would love to come to your school, but I won't know until January 3 or after."
If RR wants another job, he can take it whenever he wants. He didn't wait until after the bowl three years ago.
although I don't believe DB would be an ass for doing so. Stupid, yes.
IMO, he should have stated that he was going to wait until the end of the regular season. Doing that would give just as much of a chance to fairly grade RR on the progress of the team without having the extra month or so of rumors flying, or the chance of getting an opponent UM would not match up well against and unfairly tilt the evaluation away from RR.
It would also give the university time to conduct a proper search, if letting RR go was warranted, and allowing RR himself to conduct his own job search, which, whether or not one likes him, is a fair thing to do.
So, I concede your points on waiting until the bowl game is over, except for calling DB an ass. Sometimes, it is possible to let ones honor get in the way of doing the smart thing.
Hey, who wants to bet that Brandon's "timetable"(that is supposed to end at the end of Micigan's season) is all of a sudden extended past Jan. 3rd because that's when Stanford plays in the Orange Bowl?
How is it being "extended" past January 3 when DB hasn't ever given a hard date for a statement of support or a decision to get rid of RR?
If the timeframe goes beyond January 3, it may be because DB is waiting for JH, but it is equally, if not more, likely that January 2 will be a travel date, January 3 will be the earliest they can have a formal review in Ann Arbor, and any additional time is because DB will think for more than an hour about the most important decision he has made as AD yet.
So I'd be willing to bet that it won't be "suddenly extended past Jan. 3rd because that's when Stanford plays." If it is past January 3rd, it is because of the above reasons or because DB has had a calculated plan of action for hiring a new coach and is carrying it out.
it's not just always about now, but about future coaching decision also. He said he would wait until after the season for the review, and will operate this way for all sports and coaches.
What if he changed his process this time and a similar situation comes up in the future? Brandon wouldn't be able to say he always waits because he would have shown this to be not true already.
The business would is all about processes, and Brandon is sticking to this. There is a reason for this no matter if it a process seems to be wrong at the time for a particular task. Regardless of whether RR is fired or not everyone will now know what timelines Brandon will use and that will keep some of the fire off of him if a similar situation occurs again.
As for recruiting - I didn't realize that the signing date was prior to the beginning of January. A recruit can wait until after it is announced to keep or not keep Rodriguez, or -gasp - even change their mind and decommit.
Just because its his "process" doesn't necessarily make it smart. I would take pragmatism over consistency any day. I think it is the sign of a flexible and good leader to adjust their methods to reflect the reality of the situation, and as it's been pointed out, there is a legitimate case that waiting to make this decision is doing more harm than announcing it now. Faced with that reality, I would rather see Brandon be more flexible in adjusting to the problems that have cropped up rather than stick to his guns on a timetable.
But it is also his first visible major "decision". This is the one that sets the standard timeline going forward. One can be flexible with the process if it is already made and established. If it hasn't been established then this decision is the one that sets it going foward.
Did you just come out of business 101 class or something. If this is the reason DB is sticking to his guns I will eat my f*ing shoe. I'M SETTING A STANDARD HERE....BE PATIENT WITH ME!
If this is true and why DB is really sticking to his timeline, because he wants to set a standard for moving forward, he is the worst CEO imaginable. A good CEO and a good leader know that providing concrete timelines to external sources is a mistake because they restrict your ability to react to a change in the environment.
Good leaders and CEO's also know when they make a mistake it is best to face it head on, correct it and move forward. CEO's aren't any more perfect than regular people, they make mistakes too, but really good ones recognize them early and are confident enough to take respnsibiltiy and fix the situation.
DB's first mistake was publicly stating he had a timeline, RR was the only one who had to know that. His second one may not be a mistake at all in the end (Only if he keeps RR will it be a mistake). His second one will be not adjusting that timeline when it became evident that circumstances changed and more damage than good was occurring as a result of the timeline.
If JH is hired and RR let go after the bowl game the reasons become evident, and as someone above said, it makes DB a bit of a heartless ass for not allowing RR to go find a job elsewhere, but it explains why the timeline was the way it was.
If RR stays, there is no way to defend what has transpired since the OSU game. DB will have made a massive mistake in my view and I, for one, will have zero faith in his abilities as an AD going forward (not that any of that matters to him).
I have questioned why so many just stand by and claim "I have faith in DB" and "DB will make the right choice". We have just about nothing to base our opinions of DB on thus far. This is his first major decision to make since being named AD and IMHE, it hasn't done a lot to give me faith in things going forward.
No thank you. I would much rather have a man of integrity over a man who does the wrong thing (even if the wrong thing would be better for recruiting). Personally I think not honoring the full contract is completely wrong in the first place but I realize how sports operates nowadays. In my opinion honor still has a place amongst the "win at all costs" college football mentality that prevails at this time.
I give DB credit that he at least has the decency to allow the coaches to finish their entire year coaching. To me integrity is what Michigan should be about. Pragmatic thinkers are always thinking about the bottom line, I don't want that for Michigan. I want them to do the right thing which nowadays in sports is often overlooked. The right thing would be to allow the coaches and players to at least finish out their seasons together and judge them after the entire season is over. Doing the right thing is often hard but in the end it builds character and that should be what college athletics is about.
Flexibility is nice. Nothing wrong with flexibility when it comes to being a leader. It is one aspect of leadership that is important when facing adversity. The problem with flexibility, when you are majorly impacting human lives and emotion, is that when you are inconsistent and change a plan you value in the face of adversity, people lose trust. Sure you might produce a little more profit in the short term but you often lose those under your leadership. Why? Because everytime something negative happens people wonder which value the boss will be changing next to extract a little more success, even if the cost is a few workers, or in this case coaches. Flexibility is great in many instances but firing workers or coaches is not the best way to use this method.
While I am an ardent supporter of RR, I find it laughable to make the argument that it is unfair to RR to keep him waiting for a full evaluation for the following reasons:
- Giving a full evaluation is the process DB set out and has maintained. He has given expectations and is following them.
- Given the fact that we don't know all the circumstances, we have incomplete data in which to judge the situation. DB and RR say they communicate often. Whether this is true or not, RR has his office, home and cell numbers if he wants to speak to DB. If RR has a question or issue, he knows where to go.
- RR signed a contract. Whether or not there is speculation about his job, he is compensated ($2.5+mm) for all facets of his job including public attention, media scrutiny, high pressure to succeed, potential for dismissal. He is not making $2.5 mil to just coach football, kind of like how fire fighters aren't getting paid to just put out a fire, much of their compensation stems from the danger to which they subject themselves.
- As another poster indicated, RR can go ahead and interview for the Miami, Florida, Oklahoma OC, Denver Broncos, Birmingham Seaholm jobs whenever he would like to do so if he feels he is on his way out or doesn't want to be here anymore.
- If you read the stories about what RR has been though from Glenville State, to Tulsa, to Clemson, to WV - he knew what he was getting into as a football coach - the lifestyle, the pressure, etc. He's a big boy.
I really want to see RR on the sideline in 2011, but RR is making more in the month of December and from his bowl incentives than I will make all year, so if that's unfair, I'll take unfair all year long.
Wow. This was the best break down of the coaching decision I have read.
Honest question: Would Rich Rod really be twisting in the wind any less if DB had come out and said on Monday following the OSU game that Rich Rod has his full confidence and will be the head coach next season? There would still be plenty of people (cough, cough... Rosenberg) floating the rumor that Harbaugh wants to coach the season through Stanford's bowl game, and after that Rich Rod is fired and JH is brought in, at the same time saving UM $1M in buyout money. Or people saying, just wait until UM gets smoked in a bowl game. There would certainly be less talk about the potential chanbe, but I don't think the pressure and feeling like he's "twisting in the wind" would be any less.
The only way Rich Rod would be safe through the bowl season would have been for DB to offer an extension that significantly increased buyout. Frankly, he doesn't deserve that, and would be an extremely poor decision on DB's part, since even Rich Rod supporters would admit he only has one more year to prove he can succeed at Michigan.
I don't know why you thought you'd be negged for this comment as I think a lot of us feel the same way.
Dave Brandon does what he feels is best for the university. Think about this for a little bit. Negative perception comes from the media and fanbase. DB is sticking to his plan. He doesn't pander to the fans, media, or coaches. If he comes out to appease you(the fan who disagrees with his plan) then what kind of AD is he? He has to do things his way, that is what leaders do. He has no need to reassure a "good man" like coach Rod. He is the boss, he has the right to make coaches think about their future(especially if the teams performance isn't up to standards). I don't necessarily agree with his method but I admire him for being a man who operates fairly towards all of his coaches. He doesn't give in because football gets extra media scrutiny. He will treat all the athletic coaches the same, except for basketball, because of their problems with facilties. I believe RR will come back (and I believe strongly he should come back) but to tell your coaches ahead of time that they are safe is breaking the plan that you have for running the athletics department. How does that make you look as a leader?
People are reading way more into this than they need to. Just because his timeline presents obstacles it doesn't change the fact that DB is a man of integrity. He has a plan and has a set way in which he does business. Will a few recruits bolt after this year? Maybe. In the future though he has set a precedent for how things work here. In the future recruits will remember not to listen to the media and negative fanbase when making decisions about our university. Instead they will see that DB does not bend in the face of controversy. If he comes out and tells the media that he had overwhelming support for RR all along after this process ends, that strengthens the program in my opinion. Why? Because he has put an example out there of how things will run under his leadership. He does not change plans under any circumstance and that is called consistency. It's one of the most important attributes a leader can have. Period. If you don't see this, then I don't know what else to tell you. It's not stupid at all what he is doing though, I promise you that.
is that if DB has already decided he's firing RR, why take the "non-zero" risk that UM might actually (gasp!) play out of their fucking minds on Jan. 1 and litter the field with the southern pride and Bulldog testicles*?
A super-impressive display of Denarding plus a surprisingly competent display from the defense could translate into a smoking of said Bulldogs. I don't expect this, but it's a "risk" if you're DB-- because how do you can him after they play their best game of the RR era? Why risk him winning by four touchdowns on New Year's Day?
To me, the most likely result is that he's leaning heavily to one side (probably firing) but he's genuinely open to RR giving him a sufficient excuse to keep him. He said he's looking for progress. Bulldog testicles strewn across the Gator Bowl= progress*.
*no animals will be harmed in the unlikely but hopeful realization of this scenario
Coach JACKIE SHERRILL apologized yesterday for allowing the castration of a bull in front of his Mississippi State football team, and the school's president promised that such an incident would not occur again.
Thanks OP. He has lost all credibility. He can come out and say tomorrow is Sat. and I would be skeptical.
Not being snarky, and I do like your stay away bashers warning. Nice touch.
So it couldn't be that Dave Brandon is waiting to see if Michigan embarasses itself with another horrendous showing in a big game against a good opponent again?
After 3 seasons of RR at the healm, and after 1 season with DB closely monitoring the program, I very much doubt that 1 game against MSU (not that MSU) is going to determine RR's future. The issues that most detractors have with RR is his B10 record, specifically his record against some of our rival teams. I have also heard some fans unhappy about the lack of a "signature win" against a top calibar team. A win over MSU in a bowl game doesn't really do much to address either of these issues.
I agree that his decision will not be based on the results of the bowl, but waiting until after that game has good odds of putting Brandon in the very awkward position of either 1) firing RR after a win, or 2) retaining him after a loss. If either of those situations happen, then I think it was clear that the decision was made long before the game, and the delay in the announcement becomes even harder to fathom.
Whether or not RR is fired after a win or loss does not mean that DB's decision had already been made prior to the end of the year. As DB has said he evaluates coaches at the end of the season. He still has to interview the coaches, see what their plans are for the future, get their side of the story about their performances, try and understand why the team is in the position they are in (lack of depth), etc. The decision is very much up for grabs.
Perhaps RR explains his situation very well and describes in detail why the season ended the way it did and what his expectations are for next year. Suppose he impresses DB with his ideas and DB can see the program progressing nicely next year. The point is that there is still much to more to evaluating a coaching position than just results on the field. Dave Brandon seems to be a man of integrity who will at least let coaches state their cases on the state of their respective teams. RR has plenty of oppurtunity to explain what he is working with on the field, why he has had so many transfers, why the team expects more wins next year, etc.
I will respectfully disagree with you (sorry, just my opinion). The bowl layover gives the young team essentially another round of spring ball equivalent. It's not unreasonable for DB to take this as another data point to see if the team has made more progression during this time. If they don't make any progress and get blown away in an embarrassing fashion, I do think the bowl game will have essentially decided our coaches fate. However, I don't expect that to happen. I expect the team to come out and play a fundamentally sound (or at least moreso than the second half of the season) football game. I don't think it matter if we win or lose, but rather if we look like a more complete and competent football team. Ya dig?
If Brandon is a smart man, therefore he knows that the best way to find a new coach is to start a new coaching search while awaiting the bowl game, just like everyone else is doing. Since he has not done that, he must be keeping Rodriguez. QED.
I would 100% agree with you, except for the JH factor. It's very reasonable to believe that JH has said he wants to coach his team through the Orange Bowl and will then come to UM. I have a hard time believing that JH is so honorable, but I could be surprised. I'm more inclined to believe that JH is waiting to here from NFL teams before making the decision and that is his reason for delaying Michigan, if he has in fact done so.
Either way, I think using the wait until after the bowl game as the sole basis to prove either that he's being retained or being fired is short-sighted.
That article actually doesn't make any sense. He just makes conclusory statements and unsupported generalized assertions.
I don't really care who's our coach next year (although after watching JH's interview at the awards show last night, I found him to be a little arrogant), but that article was not insightful and we are all now dumber for reading it.
You just realized that JH is arrogant? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I like it, but I think arrogant is JH's middle name.
If DB has made the decision, he should have let him go after OSU. If he is letting our coach run around the country trying to recruit in a crazy difficult environment, busting his ASS to keep the program getting better, preparing for a bowl game that might be moot for his future, staying upbeat in the face of all this BS, I, for one, will not forgive Mr. Brandon. Coach Rodriguez could be out looking for work for he and his staff... Not saying this is the case, but if it is, and this is the new Michigan way of doing things, then I, I, I, don't know what. But that shit ain't right!
Yeah, its shady, but what is best for Michigan is not necessarily what is best for RR. Dave Brandon was hired to promote the interests of Michigan, and, while it may be giving RR the shaft, that is what he is expected to do. The day the Athletic Director is promoting the interests of an individual over the interests of the University is the day that AD should be out the door.
I'll clean port-o-potties at Bonnaroo with my bare hands for a $2.5 mm parting gift. I understand that it would be nicer for RR to have an answer now, but my donation and tax dollars are paying for that salary. I'm glad he's busting his ass and all, but I simply do not understand all this 'fairness' and 'I won't forgive DB' talk.
DB has obligations as AD to the University of Michigan, the football team, the student-athletes, the students, the alumni, and the taxpayers. Dave Brandon will make the best decision for Michigan and that's why he's AD instead of some irrational and emotional individual.
I want RR back, but to really be fair, the give-me-an-answer-now talks about fairness lack as much validity as the ones that argue RR's style won't ever work in the Big Ten.
As I am about our program doing so. For a month. Unnecessarily if Rich is brought back.
Why would Brandon tell the media anything? Hes still waiting for an apology from practice gate. He will execute his plan, unlike the previous CC. I really believe that if we tear up Miss. St. RR will be back, but with a new Defensive staff.
So, implicitly, you're saying that if we get torn up by MSU, RR will not be back. Yes?
if we get shredded like OSU and Wisconsin...Thats 3 bad games in a row...I dont see him surviving that, but what do I know. I want RR to stay regardless. Can you imagine how much better this Offensive will be? and with an improved, more experienced D? could be Magic
When you start quoting Rosneberg to support your arguement, you've gone off the deep end.
that he must have decided to KEEP RichRod--on the grounds that he would NEVER keep the coach OR the recruits twisting in the wind this long. Unfortunately, the opposite may also hold--and it will be detrimental to the kids, the team, and (obviously) RichRod should he want another job.
May also just be a lot of i's to do and t's to cross to get Harbaugh here, with the failsafe being keeping Rich. Whole thing is a serious f'ing bummer, and it will be a long time before I get my enthusiasm back for Michigan football if RichRod goes.
He may be letting the coach twist in the wind rather than the recruits.
If Brandon's leaning toward firing RR and he has some kind of assurance from JH that he wants the job but wants to coach the bowl game, then this is the course of action best designed to salvage this year's recruiting class based on the recruiting calendar.
-Early December is a vital time for recruiting. Obviously, it's a bad time to have coaching uncertainty. The only thing worse that coaching uncertainty, however, would be total coaching vacuum. Even with coaching uncertainty, recruits can still be exposed to the inherent advantages of UM ... facilities, academics, university itself.
-12/20 to 1/3, however, is a dead period in recruiting.
-The period after 1/3 is a open contact period.
Firing RR immediately after the Game and then leaving the position open until JH took over in early January would completely kill this class. You'd basically be starting over from scratch in early January However, a rapid transition would allow UM to at least compete for already committed recruits salvaging a recruiting class as much as possible. Obvs, any coaching change is likely to lead to a number of decommits, but this approach would allow UM to at least avoid decommits arising purely from the uncertainty arising from not having a coach.
It would, of course, completely screw RichRod over in a number of ways, both in terms of his opportunity to compete for other positions and in presumably reducing his buyout.
I would just like to point out that if RR wants another job, and the school that wants him has the bucks to pay the buyout, all bets are off with regard to what DB thinks, wants, is planning, has (or hasn't) decided, etc.
Frankly, if I'm the AD at Miami or UF, I'm giving more than a cursory glance at RR as my next head coach. It probably would unnerve quite a number of fans of those schools because of his record here thus far, but really at either school, he'd likely be going into a much better situation on the defensive side of the ball. Michigan's defensive development has been pretty mucked up, and I do hold RR responsible for that, but he did have some assistance from Angry Michigan Hating God.
I'm sure both Miami and UF have a better-stabilized defense in place (21st and 31st points against, respectively). RR is an offensive genius. If one of those schools came calling with money in-hand, and you had been treated the way RR has by most of the media and a ton of alums and fans, wouldn't you go?? Or at least think about it? Especially if you are only being thought of as a "failsafe" or an "insurance policy"? This is a TERRIBLE situation for our football program to be in.
My point... while DB holds most of the cards, he doesn't hold all of them.
That I have no clue what's going on with this. But, unlike some syndicated columnists I'm not going to pretend that I do or know someone that does.
Until sometime in January my morning routine at work will be:
1. Get caffeinated beverage
2. Check email
3. Log onto MGoBlog and check frontpage for coaching change news
4. Scan CC threads
5. Repeat 2 through 4
nothing that hasn't been debated here for weeks ad nauseum. Who cares what he thinks? (Insert insults about Rosenberg shitty "reporting" and his unbearable personality, his mother, and dog here)
Aside from that, what he says is just plain wrong. There is a credible reason. Brandon is doing exactly what he said he would. If he's going to keep RR (which I believe he will) it will much easier to do that the farther away we get from 2 blowout losses. The decision will be further termpered by a potential bowl victory and a solid idea about who is available as a DC. Ie. is Randy Shannon sitll available and will he take the job?
On the other hand, if DB has already decided what to do, (ie hire Harbaugh), what benefit is there to disband the staff now? There's no benefit to Harbaugh, who will want to coach his kids. There's no benefit to RR, who wants to coach his kids. There's minimal recruiting benefit -- and whatever benefit there might be is outweighed by the benefit to the kids and the coaches already in the program being able to play without the distractions (as happened in our last bowl game, btw)
Just more stupidity by the Detroit media. They prove again that a bunch of college kids at the Daily and bloggers run circles around them.
I do think that either way, waiting until after the bowl game is the right decision by Brandon. If you are going to fire RR you cannot do it without making a quick hire to Harbaugh. If you are keeping him, I think you need to see more "progress" in the bowl game. The Wisconsin and Ohio St games along with the bad press from the Bust makes it very difficult for Brandon to feel good about keeping RR.
I know it may not be fair to the assistants but I think that DB really is using this time as evaluating the way everything gets handled not solely the Gator Bowl result.
I will be supportive of either decision. Jim Harbaugh is hired or Rodriguez is retained with an announcement of the hire of a solid D coordinator.
With all the transition at Florida, Miami, Pitt etc. I really want either staff to be aggressive in getting some high level recruits to rebuild the talent pipeline. I know it isn't popular to agree with Chris Spielman but I do. Michigan should have NFL level athletes all over the roster. This shouldn't be a place that only gets the talent that Ohio St or Florida doesn't want.
You have some valid points, but I can't support your last sentence. Dee Hart was wanted by Florida and everyone else. Dallas Crawford was wanted by Miami. Denard was wanted by Florida as well. Devin Gardner was wanted by OSU. I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that.
but you have to admit, for the most part, Tressel has done a great job of putting the fence around Ohio that OSU fans have always clamored for. We've gotten some good ones like Jibreel Black and Patrick Omameh, but they've been kicking our ass in head to head recruiting down there for too long now. I suppose the threat of bodily harm to your family by the locals would be pretty tough to recruit against.
The obvious angle Rosenberg doesn't see is that DB is looking at the forest, not the trees. DB is being true to his word. I don't like the unknown but I like that DB is showing his integrity.
evaluation. I believe that DB wants to see how much the team improves when RichRod has 15 practices and the players return to full health.
If the team is not prepared I think DOOM, if the the team is prepared and executes properly a win/loss does not matter as much.
Otherwise, I have no clue as to what DB is trying to do.
I'm still clueless about CC, but I sure hope they look better than they did after a bye week during the season against a walkon Qb getting his first start. If they do look like that team again it will be impossible to justify keeping RR.
... this article would be considered good is you share the same opinion. Otherwise, it's just another lazy columnist who relies on conjecture, simple thought exercises filled with baseless assumptions, and a captive audience to communicate a point that has been so thoroughly beaten to death that it makes you wonder what's taken so long for his industry to go extinct.
It's the only subject people are talking and asking about. Not everyone agrees that RR is done here. Naturally, a football columnist might deem this a good time to give his opinion.
If it turns out he's wrong, then the argument will be discredited. But if it turns out he's right, will you then acknowledge that maybe your assumptions were wrong?
... I'm not making assumptions. I'm only saying that his column is no different than anybody else's in that it is, just as you say, his opinion. Problem is, his opinion has been so discredited because of his terrible reporting that until he brings real analysis and hard data I'm not going to pay it any creed. He is a fool with a pen who happened to be somewhat witty. His wit got him by, but there is a very real case that he is either a) a lazy reporter or b) a scorned ex-lover.
This is all just Rosenberg's opinion and it isn't even original. A lot of people think the same thing.
Although I don't agree with you on some points, I have to applaud your statement about Brandon. The point hadn't occurred to me until you noted it. There is something off-putting about his visibility-factor. He has gotten a lot of press over the past year. Part of that makes sense, of course. He's the new sheriff. He had to clean-up what Martin left behind. And he needed to handle the sanctions issue (which he did quite well, IMO). But he really does seem a bit too visible. On the sidelines. At press conferences. There have been a lot of David Brandon profiles in the media. And now, of course, All Eyes Are On DB. I'm not saying he's some megalomaniac. I'm just saying it's a subject worth noting.
I'm glad you took time to post this fresh new take on the situation.
Unless I'm reading him wrong, Rosenberg's theory is that Brandon's delay is a sign that he has already made up his mind...
What, pray tell, would be a sign that he HADN'T made up his mind?
Brandon's waiting simply acknowledges the reality of the situation. After this year, Rodriguez's status at Michigan is going to be in the news as long as he isn't contending for BIg Ten championships. That's just how it is. Brandon could give Rodriguez a guaranteed ten-year contract tomorrow and the speculation about firing him would still go on as long as he is losing in the Big Ten. But, of course, no Michigan coach who has never beaten Ohio State can get a contact extension -- that's an immutable law of the Universe or something like that.
For what it's worth, I think Brandon is planning to announce he will not only honor the fourth year of Rich's contact, but the fifth year as well. That is, he will say that Rich has two more years to start winning, and the next decision on his tenure will be the day after the end of the 2012 regular season. If Rodriguez is successful, it will be more expensive for Brandon to retain him, but if Rich is serious about staying at Michigan long term he will negotiate in good faith. If Rodriguez fails, then Michigan will save a little money and, more importantly, be in the best possible position in terms of hiring its next coach.
Why would Brandon give up his options for next year as well? Yes, the uncertainty hurts, but if there is reason for a discussion on RR's job to take place this year, who can say that there won't be next year as well? Why tie your hands when the circumstances next season may necessitate a change?
Have a look at the Jim Harbaugh situation, and the 2012 schedule. Harbaugh won't be available, most likely, for 5 years after this offseason. Furthermore, the road 2012 schedule is death on wheels. Hiring a new coach before road trips to Dallas, Columbus, Lincoln, South Bend and (gasp) Minneapolis is just setting up a dead season.
So, based on a confluence of unique factors, the coaching change, if it is to happen, must happen this off-season.
I agree with you that if a coaching change is made, it should be done now, given the circumstances. I was responding to the (IMO insane) idea of blindly giving RR another year after 2011, regardless of what actually happens. While painful, the circumstances next year may require a change- what if Michigan wins 6 games? 4? It's unlikely, but as we've all seen, "Michigan Football" has been interchangeable with "Unlikely Misfortune" the last few years.
would be to give Rich some breathing room. To have any credibility, Brandon has to stick to his stated timetable now. By doing so, if he says he's not going to evaluate again for two years, it is more believable, especially from within the program, which is where it matters.
Obviously, he is in a position to break off and fire Rodriguez mid-season or any damn time he pleases, no matter what he says in January. That's why the speculation won't stop until he is winning big games. But people seem to completely ignore another thing Brandon has said, which is that Rich's program will be judged as a whole -- by most accounts, the players love him and there are good things going on off the field. I don't think it's insane to give him two more years -- there is a point of view from within the University that has nothing to do with winning. It's about education, the disciplined mind -- molding the 95% of the team that has no hope of making the NFL -- the Dave Brandons of this team -- into Michigan Men. If Brandon thinks Rich is doing a good job of that, it could be a significant factor in any decision to give him more time.
While it would be nice to think that we'll go through next offseason controversy-free, sadly with RR the only way that will happen is a wildly successful season. I think that if Brandon swears left and right that he wont touch RR until 2012 and next season goes poorly, not only will there still be coaching change speculation, but Brandon would have put his own job in jeopardy.
As for the intangibles.. yes, those are great and important, but I think they can and should be expected from any coach who comes to UM. The trick is finding the guy who can do that AND win, but having a team that gets their education and maturation should not be something thats weighed against on the field success, it should be a given.
Rosenberg wants RR fired so it is not surprising to me that he has determined it is the only course of action that makes sense.
None of this means that RR is going to be fired. It just means that Rosenberg wants RR to be fired and is looking for data to support that conclusion.
just that, a theory, and one that has been voiced a number of times by many people.
is that we have actually put his name out there for him - again.
and he could shut Rosenburg up. Rosenburg is an idiot.
A case could be made that it makes sense for Brandon to do what he has said all along he is going to do. DB is setting the precedent for how things are going to go during his regime, and there can be no mistake who's calling the shots. Brandon, not recruits, not coaches, not MSM is controlling this time-line.,get use to it cause that is the way it is going to be. Personally, I think it is awesome, cause I like watching the nervous nellies get nervous:)
If Brandon brings RR back, and I am fairly confident he will, the next time we go through this under Brandon, we won't have nearly the rampant speculation and parsing of every word that we do now. Pure genius, Brandon really would be better served as a CEO of a Fortune 500 company.
Hey Rosenberg- DB is doing what he said he would do. RR understands that. Trust me this is harder on RR than anyone and he's holding up pretty well considering. For a columnist to assume this will cast a wedge even if he stays is insane. It also shows the thinking-process of this dope. He thinks that way so he assumes RR would pout too. RR is thus far showing character. DB is showing character too which is something Rosenberg knows nothing about. Emotional decisions are quick. They are also frequently wrong. Thanks for thinking this thru Dave and looking at the big picture.
Integrity is something some people can't see as a factor in a decision making process. MR appears to be one of them.
Why wouldn't a football coach get the same?
The POTUS is elected by millions and millions of people, the football coach at Michigan is appointed with influence from only a handful? Bad analogy is bad.
Tim Brewster loves your way of thinking.
Of course, Tim Brewster also is the reason why all coaches don't get 4 years.
If people never posted articles from the Free Press on here I wouldn't know they still existed. Being Freep free feels good.
think DB has to act now. I admire DB because he brings a different, new and aggressive mindset to the AD job. Why does he have to do the same thing every other program does?
I'm certain any decision he comes to will turn up roses, as in Rose Bowl, sometime in the near future.
Another theoretical reason for the wait. DB may want to keep RR, but needs a good bowl perfomance to make it politically palatable to announce it. If M takes the Gator then it puts DB in the position where he can say, "I said I was going to judge on progress and bowl showed what I was looking for"......couldn't really say that after Wisky and tOSU.
Lets suppose both DB and RR know the decision (I think it to be the case) and the reasons for not going public now may be:
1. RR stays - This could mean they have an attitude of 'screw the media' . Letting people know now simply allowsj more piss-poor coverage about RR and DB instead of the bowl game. At least now they have to admit its all conjecture.
2. RR goes - well, if this is the case RR gets to look for work elsewhere out of the limelight (kinda like when he met a certain AD in Toledo if I'm not mistaken). Also allows for resignation vs. firing. not a bad way to go.
Anyhow, there could be totally valid reasons that a decision has been made and shared with RR, but not public. Kinda makes sense.
Is Rosenberg right, or is he wrong, when he wrote this:
By waiting until January, Brandon will save more than $1 million (because Rodriguez's buyout drops from $4 million to $2.5 million Jan. 1).
I think Rosenberg is wrong. But I am not absolutely certain. (Rosenberg seems to have no uncertainty. Wow.) There is a 30-day notice provision as part of Rodriguez's buyout clause. It has been suggested that without the required notice, the later-date buyout provision is not triggered.
MVictors covered it in a blog post, that Brian Cook linked to previously:
So if Rosenberg is wrong about the buyout (which he might be), so are a lot of other people.
But the clause doesn't mean anything. He could give Rich 30 day noticed on January 3rd, and tell him to go contemplate football for month. They would negotiate an immediate buyout rather than have both parties go through that, but it's not a problem for either side.
If RR is given notice on January 4th of his firing, he will still be the "head football coach" for 30 days, continue to draw a salary for that time, and the lower buyout will apply. However, nothing prevents the University from hiring another "football coach" during that time. Chances are that, if RR were to be fired, he would be informed and given official notice on the 4th, but told to clear his office immediately, and that he would not be required to continue to work during that period. Similar situation to any of us giving two weeks notice, then being told not to come to work - we (and Rich) would continue to draw our salary and would be officially "on the books," but would not be working.
setting up his January hit piece. In it, he will say, "see I was right," if RR is fired or he'll say, "what a bad move letting RR dangle in the wind and missing out on recruits," if RR is retained.
...which obviously cannot include tomorrows data. When you look at it from the perspective of only what we know today, Rosenberg's conclusions seem reasonable. But if M throttles MSU in the Gator Bowl, DB will have a hard time maintaining credibility if he goes ahead and fires RR. On the flip side, he would also have a serious credibility problem keeping RR after that game if M gets throttled by MSU. So based on what he has said AND what could actually happen in that game... maybe he is still just waiting to make his analysis until after the entire season is over... Just like he's said 500 times b4.
The premise is that silence is not good for RR, because there is a backroom deal with JH to make him the next coach, but for whatever reason, JH wants to wait until Stanford's bowl game to accept the M job, out of niceness or loyalty or whatever to Stanford. Given this information and the likelihood that Michigan's whole staff would leave with RR, DB decides to postpone RR's decision so we have a coaching staff during the game. All of this is going on at a time when RR somehow doesn't know he's canned (and there is a backroom deal, but MGoBloggers all know), yet he still continues to recruit and run practices.
The alternative is simply that DB has a policy of evaluating coaches after the season is complete, like he has said many times about all sports and he's just waiting until the season ends to make the decision.
Given those 2 stories, I choose #2.
Bravo to you for trying, sir. This board has many fantastistic contributors. But way too many people here will reject any argument they don't want to hear, no matter how true. And not just Rosenberg's arguments. They reject any writer who dares offend their tender sensibilities.
Rosenberg's article echoes exactly what many or most people here have been saying. But now, when he says it, they're outraged. They're like hysterical children. I'll get killed for this. But so what. Good for you.
I guess you're lucky that you weren't around during the era of that Bo Schlembocher guy. You would have had a helluva time getting it right.
And "meer image of Bo"?
It's not for everyone.
I think that DB knows RR is the best coaching option for the 2011 season. But, if he has to compare Michigan in the long-term, coached by either Harbaugh or Rodriguez, he's more confident in JH as coach. Therefore, he's simply waiting to see if Harbaugh is a viable option, which he may not know till after Stanford's bowl game.
RR has done enough to justify keeping his job. There are plenty of arguments that woud justify him losing his job. I think people are too enamoured with JH, seeming to believe that just by stepping into the Big House, Michigan will go 11-2, beat MSU and OSU and win a Big Ten title.
I like RR and think that he should get another year, but Harbaugh has one attribute that makes me understand DB's waiting game: brash confidence. At this point, he seems like the kind of figure that would help regain the swagger and confidence Michigan football used to display. After watching Stanford dominate USC the last 4 years, this could be what Michigan needs to swing our rivalry games back around.
"Meer image"? Really?
Yeah, and that Denard guy is grease lightening.
Train monkey could spell better than u.
Look, I'm on the fence about RichRod and open to any halfway intelligent "CC" discussion, but all we have here is Rosenberg repeating a point that's been made and dissected weeks ago. Yeah, okay, he managed to go through an entire article without slandering anyone. Yippee.
Maybe one of the mods should create a single sticky "inane CC blather" thread where we can post things like this along with random fan ventilations and half-baked sports-talk radio speculations. (Except we call it something nicer, like "Ongoing Coach Change Dialogue")
I understand that the media has to pontificate and fans want to vent, so we have a "safe place" for that. At some point I might even want to chime in myself. When some real news comes out from a reasonably reliable source then the mods can put that up on the main board for all to see.
If Brandon had hired Rodriguez back right after a nasty loss to OSU, a lot more people would've been upset because they were still fully pissed off about the loss. The season ended poorly, so it felt worse that in it really was. As a few weeks go by, people can get a little perspective about the accomplishments in the season as a whole.
However, I agree with the majority that Brandon has Harbaugh #1 and Rodriguez #2 and is delaying to keep his options open.
which I think he's going to do, waiting until Jan. 1 save the Univ. $1.5M. That's a good reason to wait. Also, if he is planning a change, he most likely cannot announce it until after at least Jan. 3. An open position without a "lead candidate" will draw more scrutiny than what is currently happening.
The idea that Brandon is waiting in order to save $1.5M is insanity. As supportive as the majority of posters here are of RR, a large amount of rich donors are equally against him, rightly or wrongly. Looking at that poll data from yesterday, I get the feeling that if RR were fired today, Brandon could leave donation jars at all the gates for the Big Chill and easily triple that amount.
a result of doing so. DB is not going to tip his hand to anyone for any reason. MSC has entrusted him with the responsibility and he will make the decision. He knows what he needs to know and will do what he needs to do. Firing the coach now and making it effective Jan. 1 causes a shit storm that is not needed. If he's looking for a replacement or has found one, he probably is not going to announce anything until the replacement is ready to accept.
The only way waiting until Jan. 2 is stupid or insane is if he plans to keep the coach. Then waiting makes things tense and unnecesarily rough.
by beating Mississippi State, stop making jovial remarks in public about his future employment status with Michigan, and continue recruiting like a maniac. If he's fired, Rodriguez will land a great job as an OC or HC elsewhere.
Brandon is decisive. I think he's already made up his mind to keep Rodriguez another year. I don't think he's waiting for Harbaugh's season to end, or to save the university money in the deal. Such savings will be stricken anyway with a new coach and staff.
However, I do think Brandon is smart to wait. He probably intends to keep Rodriguez, but you can imagine how a poor defensive showing against Miss State, a bowl loss and a 7-6 finish might push Brandon over to the other side of the ledger and activate an offer to Harbaugh.
Then I got to thinking, what if after the Orange Bowl Harbaugh said "no"? That'd be interesting.
DB has mentioned all along that the program will receive an evaluation after the season is over. It's fair to presume that this evaluation includes an evaluation on the coach and his staff. Fair enough! But all things considered, most of the news and debates have been focused on that very specific point - the evaluation of the coach and not the program as a whole. Yes, he (RR) runs the program but hear me out.
I'm not making light of the "RR stays or goes debates" but I believe this perception of just focusing on the coaching decision has placed the focus squarely on that sort of 'microcosm' where as DB has to make an evaluation on the program as a whole.
I would guess that many of us would like to know the metrics used to evaluate the athletic programs. It's a given that W's vs. L's, Fan Sentiment, Revenues, "Branding", Alumni Sentiment, Coach Relations (Is DB comfortable with his subordinates?), ect...are all to be taken into account. My guess is that DB has a scorecard of type to truly inform him on what he deems necessary to build and run the best college football program in the nation. The coaching eval. being just one of the metrics (albeit, a metric of major importance! Perhaps, the most important!) on the scorecard.
Just something to think about! Have a great weekend to all. I may drive up to SB to root the soccer team on.
Stay True Folks & Go Blue!
(1) By sticking to the timeline he set in February 2010, DB avoids the consequences of giving into pandering followers apropos his release of information on RR's job status (either because the public begs him to or because the media berates him for not doing so), all of which undermines his leadership and
(2) DB could--putatively--be waiting in this way because he recognizes that doing so takes a significant amount of focus off of RR and onto himself (as we see with each new day in the electronic and paper media).
Clearly, some things are much more important than perceived recruiting risks, perceived coaches' uneasiness, and perceived fan impatience (OMGtellUSnowz!). These two things qualify, in my opinion.
It would be better said "DB is only doing this because he is considering firing RR as a POSSIBILITY."
To show that speculation can go both ways, let's speculate that on January 8th, 2011 DB gives RR a 3-year contract extension. At that time he cites all the reasons he feels the program is going in the right direction
- I have watched the program up close and personal and have been able to guage the head coaching ability of RR much better than most people
- Players are working hard
- Players have confidence in their coach
- Players are studying hard and being good students
- After a questionable start, the program is exceedingly clean and expected to remain so
- Team has been making progress, expecially on offense
- Team will make some changes (insert your own speculation) on defense and we will expect significant improvement next year
- Program is moving in the right direction
- We have a good football coach, as his track record has proven
This will leave several impressions
- Sports columnists are not in charge of Michigan athletics
- Radio talk show hosts are not in charge of Michigan athletics
- When DB says that he intends to make a decision after the end of the season, he means it
- Next time he waits until the end of a season to make a decision of any kind recruits, sports columnists, players and all others will know they are wasting their time speculating on why he waited until the end of the season
- DB is in charge of Michigan athletics
Have a nice day!
Very well said CarrIsMyHomeboy and mgofan. Too bad there aren't as many writers in the mainstream media who see the value in sticking to a timeline. There are numerous reasons why Dave Brandon sticks to his plan. I think most Michigan fans can agree that integrity is an extremely important leadership quality. After the decision is made we will truely know who is in charge of Michigan athletics.
RR knows he is gone, if DB was going to keep him he would said so and not let our recruiting go to hell. I think DB has talked to JH and knows if he doesn’t get him this year he is gone to the NFL. And I think DB already knows he has him so why not save the money and let JH play his bowl game and then tell his players, why ruin their big game. I think everything is already in place.
Three coaches since 2000 have been fired after coaching their team in a bowl game:
1. John Cooper at OSU in 2000-2001
2. Paul Pasqualoni at Syracuse 2004-2005
3. Glen Mason at Minnesota 2006-2007
Three coaches since 2000 were given a choice to coach their team in the bowl game but were fired before the bowl:
1. Karl Dorrell at UCLA 2007-2008
2. Dirk Koetter at ASU in 2006-2007
3. Larry Coker at Miami in 2006-2007
Eight other coaches, based on performance only, were fired before their team's bowl.
though I disagree with the OP's concurring opinion on Rosenberg's article, I have to stay he started what turned out to be, post for post, the best-written thread I think I've ever seen on any sports-related website. Every post in this thread looks like it was written by, you know, literate people. When does that ever happen on the interwebs?
Every post in this thread looks like it was written by, you know, literate people.
It won't let me say anything not "blockquoted". Sorry, move on. No joke today.
I had a legit discussion with someone about Michigan's coaches. And it didn't turn into a flame war.
What the hell just happened?
Is a worthless twat that has never been right on anything and never will. And yes that is the correct adjective as certain scents are similar to his d-bag breath.
The sad thing is, Rosenberg certainly has a point. It's not an overly thoughtful point - teams retain and fire guys all the time after bowl games - but the fact that Brandon has been quiet while recruits have openly questioned whether the coach will remain certainly isn't helping the program. All that said, sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut, and in this case Rosenberg found a sliver of an acorn that he tripped over on the way to the compost heap.
there a couple of absolutes.
1. He's going in a different direction and cannot announce it until that coach is done with their bowl game (that coach's call).
2. He's keeping RR and he SHOULD just announce it, waiting is pointless in that case.
Hence, it seems logical that DB is waiting for two reasons, one the buyout drops Jan. 1 and two the next coach wants it quiet until after bowl game.
Also, the argument that DB evaluates all his coaches, name one he has to evaluate beyond RR and Belien. Hockey, baseball, softball, soccer are all winners. He has nothing to evaluate except the top two sports.
Seems logical, but I think the buyout is the sprinkles on top, nice to have, but is not driving the decision. The AD is projected to have a $16 million surplus this year. the extra $1.5 milllion, while nice, is not a show stopper. I don't think the $1.5 million is worth losing most of this recruiting class.
That there are so many opinions with so many reasonable justifications on polar opposite ends of the "Fire RR"-"Keep RR" spectrum that only one thing must be true
We know absolutely nothing.
Everything else, while seemingly logical, is just conjecture at this point. Only time will tell who's right...but I'm sick of hearing everyone's "unique" perspectives. (I know I know, maybe I should stop clicking the CC links...but honetsly, I can't!)
The other thing I have to say: It's a sad day in the MGoBlog community that someone would dig up a Rosenberg column to offer "perspective" on the CC situation. Is it surprsing what he says? Even if he ends up being correct, his extremely biased viewpoints mean nothing to me, and should mean nothing to everyone on this board.
Using Rosenberg's comments that "RR should be fired, and DB will do so" is about as credible as hearing Matt Millen say "DB should keep RR". One of those human beings will end up being correct. That doesn't mean what they say should have any - ANY - weight on the situation.
1) You said something that a lot of people disagreed with.
2) A bunch of people accidentally negged you.
I'd guess number 1.
Whoever said "RR as insurance policy" has it right. He doesn't want to keep RR; if he did, he'd have thrown his weight behind him. He wants JH, but he's worried about him bolting to the NFL.
RR is the backup girl on the speed dial, just in case.
DB: Do not try and bend the coaching decision. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Media: What truth?
DB: There is no coaching decision.
Media: There is no coaching decision?
DB: Then you'll see, that it is not the coach that changes, it is only yourself.
Unfortunately, RR is a plan C IMO. I was hoping DB would keep RR for one or two more years. If RR was plan A, DB would have said so after the OSU game.
My guess is JH is plan A, with plan B being DH, GP, BH or even GM. RR showed during the football bust that he really wants to continue coaching here. I feel sorry for him and I also think he may be looking around for new gigs at UF, may be even back to WVU?
Here's hoping that DB will keep RR through his contract.
Is that Rosenberg, Henning, et al. get to keep writing about this stuff. There is nothing new.. Nothing different from last week, but Rosenberg needs to keep writing about it?
Turns out the lights...the party is over
Patience is a virtue that very few women have and absolutely no men have. Brandon is the exception to that rule. How I interpret this interval is Brandon doesn't want to fire RR and then have all the speculation of hiring Harbaugh and then not being able to get Harbaugh, such as what happened three years ago with the Les Miles situation. I think the reduced buyout also plays a role in waiting.
Brandon said after the OSU game that he was very disappointed with how the season ended. That's a big clue to me that he doesn't intend to keep RR. He just wants to make sure that the hiring process doesn't blow up in Michigan's face like it did three years ago. I think the biggest question is if Harbaugh doesn't get the job for whatever reason who will?
I don't see where everyone's blind faith in Dave Brandon comes from other than his strong wording in press conferences. All I've seen from his track record here so far is that he's stubborn and isn't reviewing and rectifying his decisions when the consequences arise. If we lose Dee Hart because Dave Brandon is essentially hinging his decision on the bowl game (Which is completely ridiculous, if you were going to fire him then there is far more than enough results to base it on, and if you want to let him build the program, then a shalacking in the Gator Bowl shouldn't be the last straw), then this offense gets set back for a fourth year in a row. This offense reached it's potential this year, when you don't have a threat at runningback, this past year is as good as it will get. We can't afford to get shelled for the entire first half throughout the Big Ten schedule again, we have to be able to move the ball back against them when the game is close. Dee Hart is that answer, he comes in with more realized potential than any recruit we've had in a long time. And if we lose that while Dave Brandon dangles Rich Rod over the edge of Schembechler Hall, I will lose all respect for Dave Brandon's decision making.
...it's the entire recruiting class. Michigan is set to have its worst recruiting class (the only remaining top prospect we really have a shot at getting is Wayne Lyons, and that's primarily because he wants to go into engineering in addition to DI football, its considered pretty much a lock that the other prospects are going elsewhere) in the modern era because of David Brandon intrasegence and refusal to accept what modern college football is.
Signing day is not January 5th. No matter what decision is made, the coaches should have no problem pulling kids away from other schools, or convince kids who are uncertain, to commit to Michigan.
Quality (or lack thereof) of the journalism aside, it seems to me that "the media" generally reflects the views of it's advertisers' customers...for better or for worse.