Peppers at 10, which seems low.
CC: JH/Lombardi Packaged Deal to SF?
good grief. I hope Dave Brandon hasn't been as narrowly focused as the fan base has..
I'm fairly certain a cure for cancer could have been found with the collective effort that M fans have put towards following JH twitter feeds
this is more about the fact Harbaugh will only go to a team where he has a good relationship with the GM. thus, people speculating on Harbaugh have to speculate first who the GM will be. Lombardi is one of the few shortlist individuals JH has a good relationship with (not that they're close by any means). there's no rumors, AFAIK, that they're being packaged. rather, it's "if the 49ers want any shot, they need Lombardi."
I'm not sure technology has come far enough to reanimated his corpse.
One word: magic
no more kittens must die....
I saw this, and of course it may turn out to be true. Just remember that Lombardi is a huge self-promoter, and if he was really as successful a personnel guy as he claims he is/was he would already be working for an NFL team. My guess is that Lombardi himself leaked this as a way to get a better shot at the 49er job, and to try to torpedo Baalke's candidacy. By tying himself to Harbaugh, Lombardi's trying to get a good rub. But if Harbaugh is the Hulk Hogan of coaching candidates, Lombardi is the Johnny Rodz of GM candidates. Or possiby B Brian Blair. Or Don Kernodle.
I'd reckon to say if Harbaugh is Hulk Hogan, Lombardi is like Eric Bischoff. I guess that would make Ron Wolf Vince McMahon.
I'm all out of wrestling analogies.
Because this one stunk.
What about Bud Foster if we can't get Harbaugh? Do you guys think he would make a good HC? He has been coaching with Beamer forever and I think he is ready to make the HC leap. Just an idea. I really hope Harbaugh wants to come back to Michigan though. I hope Michigan is his dream job!
I agree, I wonder why his name doesn't get tossed around more? I remember him expressing interest in the Memphis job I think.
I'm pretty sure Michigan is a little better than Memphis.
I was thinking the same thing...other tn wolverine.
The first dominoes will already have fallen and I'm sure we will know what to expect.
I feel like this was reported elsewhere last week, but I don't recall where. I'm not sure if it's news or simply repackaging old news.
Yesterday I posted that the lure of staying in the bay area and coaching the niners would be much stronger than people here realize (I lived in SF from 83-89). The 49ers are to SF what the Wings are to Detroit and putting them back into the conversation for the Super Bowl would be just as compelling, out there, as bringing Michigan a National Championship would be here.
Yesterday I was crazy for suggesting such a thing. Today........
What's plan B? One more year of RR?
will lead to many more.
One more year of RR will most likely put us in the same position as today waiting to see if RR survives another year end evaluation. This time we'll have another year of constant speculation effectively killing recruiting.
Not if we were able to pull out 10 wins. People would go crazy after the last few years for 10 wins. Not that I think that is what would happen if he were retained, just food for thought.
...but ... how can we stop teams from scoring?
Wasn't trying to suggest he should come back, just that college football is crazy. The players are only eligible for four years so it changes quick. Maybe in another universe RR coaches the team with a new defensive staff to 10 wins.
I think that if RR does return next year, there will be a very clear list of goals to achieve, ie; win the division or perhaps the B1G, something like Miami did to Coker a few years ago. Not like it worked for them but at least there was no quarrels over it when they fired him.
is quite possible.
49ers are to SF what the Wings are to Detroit
They're only the third-most popular team in SF? Didn't know that.
You think the WIngs are behind the Tigers? Considering the Wings have 4 Cups in my lifetime and the Tigers have a whopping one playoff appearance I don't think that't the case.
Wow...I have been gone too long if that's true. I'll let the folks down here in Ohio to start referring to Detroit as Baseballtown. Or perhaps Footballtown? Cause you sure as hell arent going to claim Basketballtown are you?
And once I again I get negged for reminding people that SF is a hell of a great place to live and that the Niners job is pretty damn alluring. Sigh.....
Hey...I want Jim here as much as everyone else. And I hope he comes. It's just not as much of a slam dunk he's going to leave the bay area as the board would like to think it is.
Maybe I'm reading different posts than you, but where did you get the impression that the board thinks Harbaugh is a "slam dunk" if we want him? I don't think this could be farther from the truth and I certainly don't think that this is the sentiment of the board.
Yesterday I said basically the same thing I stated above which is that the bay area and the niners job will be tough for jim to pass up. I got negged hard for implying that he wouldn't LEAP at the chance to come if asked.
So yeah...there is a big portion of the board who thinks that or at least did yesterday.
I just went back and read that thread and don't see where anyone "negged you hard" for implying that he wouldn't leap at the chance. All the responses to your point say is that Harbaugh may value different things than you. I'm not on either side of the argument there, because I see both points. However, no one ever said that he would leap at the chance to come to Michigan. They simply said that he might.
That goes on here quite a bit... if you make a statement contrary to the fervent wishes of the average MGoBlogger, whether in recruiting or game predictions, there is a particular segment that will neg you for issuing an opinion they don't want to hear. It's juvenile, but it's part of the deal.
Despite what the Red Wings' marketing people have claimed, football and baseball have always been bigger than hockey here. When the Tigers made the World Series, it was a much bigger deal than any Stanley Cup Final appearance by the Wings. And if the Lions ever make the Super Bowl (ha!)...
Have the Giants leapt to the forefront of Bay Area sports consciousness?
No dispute that the Bay Area's a great place to live. And it's interesting -- in SF, Harbaugh would be chasing the ghost of Bill Walsh, while at U-M he'd be chasing the ghost of Bo.
I just can't believe that Michigan could be collateral damage of the batshit reign of Mike Singletary.
Credit to you for pointing that out! Harbaugh has 5 solid NFL offers and 4-5 soft...
(Even teams with a coach are putting feelers out there...)
If this is true, it seems like San Fran are moving around the entire organization to accomodate Harbaugh. I don't understand why they think he's so vital to get. College to NFL coaches don't exactly succeed at a high rate. I can understand Michigan fans being enamored by him to the extent that this board is and I think he's in the best position to succeed here as anyone. I don't see why NFL teams would bend over backward for him, though.
I think two factors: He is locally very popular and a fresh face to ignite the fan base. The second reason is the Yorks are cheap and they want to duck under going and getting a serious proven NFL coach who would be 5 million plus a year.
I think Jim is a super coach, but you make a really good point. The NFL game is different, the players are different and the amount of friction from your opponents is much greater.
In that regard, Jim is not that much different than another unproven college coach.
If San Fran want to get into a bidding war then I think Michigan is in a good position. If Brandon has anywhere near the affinity and faith in Harbaugh that a lot of fans do, then he'll break the bank for him.
Yeah, if it really came down to simply dollars, I think UM could pay everything SF is willing to. Remember, with the BTN rolling and a B1G championship game coming, we'll have big dollars to toss around.
Don't discount the desire of some older wealthy alumni to get Harbaugh. You might find a handful of guys willing to pay a year of his salary to get him here.
I'd be thrilled as an M alum to have JH as our head coach, but if I was Niners fan, I wouldn't be particularly enthused to have him as my head coach.
Who was the most recent prominent college head coach to make it in the NFL? Has there been anyone since Jimmy Johnson?
I'm a Seahawks fan, and I was not happy when we hired Pete Carroll a much more successful college coach, who had been mediocre to decent in hi first NFL go round.
I don't count Carroll because this is not his 1st time being a head coach in the NFL. He took the Pats to the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years he coached there.
I would love to have Harbaugh become the next coach at UofM..but if he was announced as the next coach for the Lions, I might be a bit disappointed as a Lions fan.
Very good point. It's the auction effect -- winning the auction becomes more important than whatever you're bidding for.
Please no more RR. Their has to be more choices out there if Harbaugh isn't interested.
Name one coach other than Harbaugh who would a) be willing to come here, b) unite the fan base or at least make many happy, and c) give us a better chance of winning than RR with a new D staff. I dare you. After days of obsessively reading these darned CC threads I've yet to hear about a viable candidate. Please inform.
lol wut? upvoted anyway
Passed to me and I'm passing them on...Whatever happens DON'T MARRY HER! I almost think that applies in this situation too.
I must disagree with the analogy. I can see things being different because we'll have a dramatic increase in the team's experience/age/talent, and RR would have a new and competent D staff.
To me it's more like dating a young woman raised in a somewhat dysfunctional family with a number of huge recent stressors in her life. She's moody and may cope by drinking and eating too much. Still, she loves you and there are things you love about her. She's been in therapy and has shown mild progress in working on her issues, but family and work stressors (many of which are not her fault) continue to make things difficult. Still, she promises to continue to work on it and with your continued support she has at least a decent chance to grow and learn from past mistakes.
There's a girl you've had your eye on for a while, but she may not be as into you as you are into her. Then there are a bunch of mediocre women who are into you, but they don't have half the potential for happiness compared to your current partner.
Is this a script for the Lifetime Channel?
I like your analogy.
I don't want to go through this coaching dilema again next year but you def. can argue that keeping the offence the way it is has the potential to be legandary with Denard.
Hire another spread coach to recruit us some defensive players and let's get this going.
At this point, almost any coach would be more popular with the fanbase than RR. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
I think rather than making a 'populist' choice - we need to make a choice which bodes well for the long term success of the program. If by retaining RR we give ourselves more time to seal a great coach next year - so be it.
This isn't politics where you hire the most popular coach and secure your AD seat.
Given that RR has the worst record in school history, that argument doesn't exactly fly, either. He has a horrible record and is incredibly unpopular. That's not a good combination. I would strongly advise you to give up the dream of RR coming back. I'll be stunned if it happens.
I am NOT lobbying for RR coming back.
I am only saying that IF we don't get a coach of our choice this round, it MIGHT be better to retain him than get a coach who enjoys half hearted fan support since 90% of the people want Harbaugh and he may not come to Michigan.
Nothing more to it.
I don't want the repeat of the Les Miles scenario when LC left.
more moer Les Miles drama
Keeping in mind that we need to keep our next coach for at least 5-6 years (or else become Notre Dame), I really don't like the idea of just grabbing some coach if we don't get JH ... With RR, we're really only committed to him for another year or two.
I really hope DB didn't put us through the last 6+ weeks of craziness simply because he had a hunch JH would come.
Yeah but the way things have set up, anything other than Harbaugh appears to be a second tier or Plan B candidate. Sadly, this has turned into a pretty high stakes poker game between us, 49ers and perhaps Denver and losing the hand will be tough.
The fans may not be aware but higher ups could be feeling around for someone. A few fans have mentioned Va Tech's D-coordinator Bud Foster who fields a top 10 defense nearly every season. He hasn't stated interest, but it doesn't mean Michigan hasn't contacted him or a number of other coaches with similar credentials.
yea, or better yet, maybe that James Madison coach is available.
better hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cuz they raping errbody out here.
Thats because you are reading CC threads. We are just fans speculating. No one on here knows the feelings of Harbaugh or any other Football coach for that matter. But I am sure someone wants to come to Michigan and turn this ship around.
RR's job looks a little more secure.
He should hire the right DC - one who is more engaged than GERG is. GERG seems to be in retirement mode with everything (at least I get the feeling)
I personally wouldn't mind this - though I can't imagine it being easy to RR given the sword of firing will continue to hang over him through the whole of next year unless he beats the traditional B10 powerhouses.
Anyways - Mr. Dave Brandon - I hope you can deliver the right HC to Michigan Football. Coming from Dominos I sure hope you know about 'delivering'
RR is done. The bowl destroyed whatever was left of his prospects for next year. Brandon can't sell another year of RR to the fanbase. Plan A is Harbaugh, and the backup plans are other coaches. Bringing back RR is around Plan L.
If we don't have solid Plan B - Plan L - we might be better off waiting until next year to hire a great coach rather than a stop gap coach (Brady Hoke).
While I know RR hasn't done himself any favors with the Bowl game display - I know that if we can't get the right coach (maybe the top 3 targets DB has set) its worth waiting until next year.
Of course DB is a successful CEO and I am sure he has covered all bases (with the right sauce).
RR has gotten screwed in many ways, but the fact is is that if the fan base has lost faith in him, then it's pointless in keeping him around. He'd have to win the Big Ten next year to stand any chance of getting a fifth year and that isn't going to happen. It isn't fair but it's the truth.
As for Brady Hoke, I don't see why his name ever came up in the first place. There are plenty of other coaches and coordinators who Brandon would be better off hiring. Just because he used to be at Michigan doesn't automatically make him relevant. No one of merit has shown evidence that the two parties are in contact.
Yeah, we could wait until next year - with interim head coach Fred Jackson. RR won't be back. His base of support has vanished.
I didn't think of that - but its a good idea
do you like RR as the coach or not? i've been trying to follow your posting history but it fails to reveal how you feel on the issue.
to hope we retain RR just for jmblue
My rough estimate is that 40% of jmblue's points come from posting non-hyperbolic and relatively brief statements of his lack of support of RR. Because these posts are soberly worded he rarely gets negged; nevertheless, he really has nothing interesting to say on the matter, so he rarely gets big pluses either. It's just a constant drumbeat of anti-RR sentiment. Again, understandable and respectfully worded (looking at you, Wichitan), but entirely predictable and monotonous.
Anyway, let's say he averages 3 points per post, plus the one he gets for posting. He has upwards of 29,000 points. 29,000 * .4 = 11,600 / 4 = 2,900 anti-RR posts. Does that seem about right?
Brandon's job is dependent on having a coach who wins. I doubt Brandon is going to go with Plan B - L unless he thinks they will increase our chances at winning.
My ex spent some time with Notre Dame's Athletic Director and his wife. They said most of the speculation that went on when they were loosing Weiss was false. His wife said that he parked his car at the school and got a rental car for weeks to trick the media.
But 'sell' is the right word. Lots of tickets to sell, lots of luxury suites to lease. And lots of Div-1 athletic programs to fund. There's an incredible amount of risk to keeping RR. I realize bringing in Harbaugh is no guarantee of sucess on the field, but it would be a guarantee of improved fan interest in the program.
Yes - it is a good PR measure to sack RR.
In fact - it will be a good measure for everyone - I don't think RR himself is comfortable in the locker rooms anymore.
But - if we can't land the right HC and if waiting until next year gives us a better chance to evaluate options and avoid any rash decisons I'd rather go that route.
Also - if disgruntled fans leave - I think they'll come swarming back next year with the coaching change. I don't think one year will make or break a fan base.
DB has talked about having a long-term focus...maybe that means enduring a lame duck season next year in the hopes of landing a big name coach a la urban meyer. (not saying I want Urban Meyer, but it would be a big hire)
that's the most ignorant comment I've read on CC yet. Michigan could go 7-5 for the next ten years and still make plenty of money for the AD to sprinkle around.
sorry, but I don't think you've been around long enough.
I don't want Michigan to go 7-5 for the next 10 years.
That makes me a sad panda :(
I hate 7-5. I hate 8-4 for that matter. just responding to a very naive and narrow view of the Michigan fan base.
How long have you been around? Attendance over 100k isn't a birthright -- it took consistent winning Michigan football under Bo to get us there. And now there is debt to finance with the renovations of the Big House and the new hoops practice facility, etc. If Michigan wants the Athletic Department to stay in the black, with the football team funding almost all of the operations (hockey being a slight positive, maybe basketball chipping in again someday), they need butts in seats, both regular and luxury. For the past 'big' games (OSU in '09, MSU, Wisconsin) many of those butts were of opposing fans -- more than usual. If season ticket holders are willing to scalp a ticket to a 'big' game, how long until they're willing to scalp their whole set? Or just decide that paying the seat licensing fee isn't worth it? Sure, it may be a short term blip, but I think it's equally ignorant to expect Michigan football to bring in the revenue it has if it reeled off 10 straight 7-5 seasons.
correct. But the question is who?
This isn't "news." It's hypothesizing about what it will take for the 49ers to get Harbaugh. And unfortunately, I agree with the above post that RichRod is all but done. "Plan L," so to speak.
What decent D coordinator would come knowing you have all of one year to improve, and even then might get kicked out.
What if we hired Hoke as D coordinator, with the idea that he replaces RR if things don't improve?
First, holy crap, what a play by Taylor/Tech.
Second, interesting artcile here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040324/news_1s24harbaugh.html. Wonder if any of it still holds true (new wife, no young sons, etc.).
Being an NFL assistant – working with the Oakland Raiders quarterbacks in 2002 and '03 – had its advantages. It was all football all the time, and Harbaugh briefly considered a rise through the NFL coaching ranks.
But that is not what he knows, not what he is comfortable with.
"This is more the way football should be," said Harbaugh, recalling how his dad seemed to enjoy his job most when he coached at the I-AA level. "It's an activity. It's important to the guys who play and coach. We want to be great. But it hasn't gone goofy. No. 1 is still graduating. It's about a great football experience, being a great person the campus can be proud of.
"It's not out of whack. Football is supposed to be an enhancement to your college experience. It's basically just leadership training at 3:30 on fall afternoons. It's not life or death. It's not anything else."
There was a more recent (June 2009) quote from Harbaugh (which I posted in a thread yesterday) in which he expressed a preference for college coaching over that of the NFL:
Another interesting response came when Harbaugh was asked about his potential future as an NFL head coach. While one would expect Harbaugh to say he will stay at Stanford forever, I was surprised by the way he denied his ability to coach in the NFL. "I consider myself a collegiate coach." He followed that up later with "I think I am a college guy."
Source: quote from a post at ESPN's Pac-10 blog.
half the fanbase going "Screw Les Miles"
He rejected us earlier.
My dislike for Les Miles doesn't come from him "rejecting" us. It comes from him being probably the worst clock manager I've ever seen as a coach, and a complete dirtball when it comes to oversigning (and potentially negative recruiting against LC a few years ago). I think many share this view.
also the whole "I don't know who told him to clock it" fiasco
He is too quirky for the fan base at Michigan. People freaked about RR at the bust but that's just the tip of the iceberg of what Les Miles does. "But he's a Michigan Man!" Yeah, a Michigan Man who eats grass.
He's weird, like John L. Smith weird.
eating grass is way cooler then what Rich did at the bust. Its bad when Josh Groban makes fun of you.
Josh Groban should show some gratitiude. It's because of RR that people are even mentioning that cheese fest he called a song.
Report out of Cincinnati says Niners have an interest in Marvin Lewis should he step away as Bengals HC, which is likely. Any Niners rumors that don't mention JH are fine by me.
Rooney rule...do you know how many teams were "interested" in Marvin Lewis for years before the Bengals actually looked at him for real?