CC: Impact of Urban and OSU
I think Urban/OSU's success is having a negative impact on UM's attempt to hire a new coach.
I have a connection to a head coach whose name has come up as part of the plan B. He was telling me that even though UM is a fantasic job and a major upgrade for him. he is not sure he will take it, if offered. His reason was that UM and other BIG teams will have a hard time competing with OSU. He did not think a UM coach can survive if he loses to OSU 4 out of 5 times.
Edit: This coach was thinking that it will take a while for UM to actually beat OSU 1 out of 2-3 times and that UM will not give the next coach 4-5 years to reach that level unless the coach's name is Harbaugh, Miles, Stoops, etc.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
I dont want a coach is afraid to compete with Urban.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
Exact same reaction I had.
Whoever this coach is is a loser if that's his mentality and if he is already convinced he can't beat OSU, glad he's not interested, we don't want him.
(BTW I'm guessing OP's buddy is Steve Adazzio based on his screen name and a couple other thinga. )
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December 11th, 2014 at 11:38 AM ^
Do not want!
December 11th, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
December 11th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^
Not only is Urban beatable, but if we had a competant staff we would have won 3 of the last 4. As bad as we have been the past few years, we had both of the last two games there for the taking.
I am still beside myself that once Barrett went down we got really soft on defense like we were afraid of Cardale. Terrible man
December 11th, 2014 at 6:46 PM ^
He's probably been talking to John Cooper.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
(I agreed with the initial reaction most had)
why is this coach of the opinion that he may not win against Urban Meyer?
And this isnt a snarky question. Was this person of the opinion that in order to build his own program it'd take an amount of time the fanbase wouldnt have the patience for? Or, was he of the mind that in order to coach Michigan he'd be constrained in how he'd have to say, build/manage a roster? Or the schemes he'd be "allowed" to run? All of which I think would be relevant concerns for a candidate to have.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
Even though the recruiting rankings say we have the players to compete with Urban Meyer's OSU right away, my gut instinct is that it isn't that easy. Was what we saw on the field 100% the coaches? Do they just need to be coached up? or is there some way in which the program needs to be rebuilt?
Meyer inherited a program. They players knew how to win. He's built it up and made it stronger (with the help of Tom Herman).
The next coach (call him "Harbaugh") will inherit a program in disarray, with no player on it that knows how to win, and without the right mentality. Some of the players may have been broken. Some of them may not have been as good as the coaches thought they were.
Does he come in and turn this team into a team that beats Ohio State right away? does it take him a few years?
I'm hoping for right away, and steeling myself for it to be a process.
December 11th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh is a Great Former UM Quarterback and Coach that knows how to "WIN" I know he brings this to the U of M.
December 11th, 2014 at 2:06 PM ^
50-14
The next year was Woody's best team ever. Enough said.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
December 12th, 2014 at 12:55 AM ^
if it's Addazio (and based on his lack of refutation, I must assume that you are correct), one must wonder how much his personal friendship with Urban plays into this assesment. I can see why a guy who is close to Meyer may fear him more than someone who wasn't there at Florida would
December 12th, 2014 at 12:55 AM ^
if it's Addazio (and based on his lack of refutation, I must assume that you are correct), one must wonder how much his personal friendship with Urban plays into this assesment. I can see why a guy who is close to Meyer may fear him more than someone who wasn't there at Florida would
December 11th, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^
no kidding! What a ridiculous comment from that coach, whoever it was. Ya you could come in and lose to OSU 4 out of 5 times and have your job in jeporady..OR you could come in not be afraid and win 3 out of 5 and become a Michigan hero. Jeesus, this really got me going.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
December 11th, 2014 at 12:19 PM ^
Maybe the OP is right. Good coaches sure have avoided the SEC East like it was Plague. /s
December 11th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
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December 11th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^
I hope he tells us the name of the "coach" so that we can take him off ALL LISTS - what a coward!
"It's Division 1 Football...it aint Intramurals"
December 11th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
It sounds to me like he is more "afraid" of how Michigan treats its coaches now. David Brandon downgraded the job terribly when he fired Rich Rod. It became even more downgraded when Brady Hoke failed.
It's going to take a cocky SOB to ignore all of the BS that has surrounded the program and take the job. Hopefully, our favorite cocky SOB will say "yes" as soon as he is available.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
This. The way the entire Rich Rod tenure went is probably a huge alarm bell to anyone who isn't Jim Harbaugh. I hope, if Harbaugh doesn't leave the NFL, that Hackett is able to build enough rapport with people for word to get around that the past is firmly the past, and whomever comes next will have full AD support and the control, time, and space needed to build a winner.
I do worry about the time factor, though. I know that this fanbase is sick to death of losing to the Axis of Evil. Luckily, the new guy will not be inheriting what RR and Hoke did, plus he'll get both at home. At least beat Dantonio and shut his ass up this year, and I think that buys a lot of time.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
to an archrival that sent RR scampering to Michigan in the first place (which, in hindsight, was a big red flag).
December 11th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
Seriously? One loss to an archrival happens. Losing six out of seven to an archrival, like the guy RR replaced, that's a bit more of a red flag to me.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
yes...
try 2-10-1, which was John Cooper's record against Michigan...thing is, Cooper won damn near every other game and he definitely wasn't AFRAID to play agaisnt Schembechler, Moeller, OR Carr.
He just wasn't prepared.
Losses like WVU's loss to Pitt in 2007 are par the course for the MIchigan-OSU (with much bigger stakes, usually).
RR couldn't even say the "Ohio" word when he attempted to give the Tressell-like speech in Crisler.
and in hindsight, yes, those were big red flags for someone who wanted to coach at Michigan.
Having said that, I do think that RR's record at that time indicated he was at least deserving of a "blueblood" school (Alabama, Michigan, Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc.) giving him a HC job
December 11th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
Yes, I'm aware of John Cooper. My point was in response to your statement that WV losing to Pitt that year should have been some red flag. All I was saying was that Carr lost six of seven against OSU under Tressel, so by your apparent logic he should have been fired. RR was, overall, 4-3 against Pitt while at WV, which is about how an intense rivalry typically goes. Yes, Carr was 6-7 overall against OSU, but you can pretty much split that into two very distinct eras, 5-1, and 1-6. So I guess it's good that you brought up Cooper, because Carr should thank his lucky stars he got to coach against him, so his record against OSU is only one game below .500 instead of several games below.
December 11th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^
it's not that RR lost to Pitt (tough losses happen) but it's how he reacted to it.
I remember in the aftermath of that loss West Virginia fans were very very angry at Rod and RR damn near cried in that PG press conference (which was understandable).
and I maintain that his move to Michigan at that time was due to a complicated set of factors that was going on at WVU at that time including the emotions of RR and the WVU fanbase regarding that lass.
A loss like that is par the course for a Michigan or OSU coach (as Cooper or Carr well knew).
WVU-Pitt was an intense rivalry, yes, but it was nowhere near the level of UM-Michigan in terms of the stakes with the exception of that one time (at least under Rod, under Nehlen, I think that Penn State was a bigger rival for Pitt than WVU was).
December 11th, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^
Fair point, but he had just lost a chance to play for the National Championship. I can recall Scotty Bowman looking pretty glassy-eyed in the press conference after the Wings lost to New Jersey in the Stanley Cup Finals in 1995. If a coach is that competitive that he'll get that upset over losing, I don't think that's necessarily a bad quality. And yes, the way RR left WV was rocky - but I don't think that was just on him. And I agree that some of what went wrong at Michigan was on him, I just don't think it was all on him.
December 11th, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^
that all that went wrong with RR here was all of his fault (obviously, Michigan had a lot to do with that) but he did get off with both wrong feet when he got here (with all of the buyout issues and everything) and dragged Michigan through the mud up until the point Mary Sue Coleman (apparently) had to stop it...Michigan was willing to pay that buyout from jump street.
RR brought that bad blood from WVU here with him and a lot of it had to do with that loss to Pitt.
Scotty Bowman (who already had 4 Stanley Cups from his days of coaching with the Canadians) knew enough not to run and abandon the fans and the team...so that's really not a comparison (although a better comparison would be Les Miles after the NC loss to Alabama).
December 11th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
The way the entire Rich Rod tenure went is probably a huge alarm bell to anyone who isn't Jim Harbaugh.I doubt it. Coaches are confident guys - they don't expect to fail. I find the OP's claims hard to believe. I don't think many coaches think that way.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
No, he said he was afraid losing to Urban 4/5 times would cost him his job.
The fact is that the TEAM (if not the program) is in very good shape--loaded with talent that was coveted by top programs across the country.
A coach that wouldn't want a top-tier salary with resources for top-tier assistants, some of the best facilities in the country, the Big House, and the Michigan brand to recruit to...that's a coach I DO NOT WANT.
December 11th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
The handling of Rich Rod's tenure and firing most definitely down graded the job. This stuff is public now, he was undermined when he got here and although he earned his firing IMO, I thought there was a great deal of piling on by UM guys after he left, especially when Hoke did well in 2011, it seemed noone involved in Michigan Football passed up an opportunity to trash Rich Rod that year.
Urban being successful at Ohio State whould make the Michigan job more appealing, not less. OSU is a national power, MSU is working towards that and pretty close, Penn State will be back to being a top 20 team. The B1G East will be one of the toughest divisions in college football, that's not a bad thing, that;s a good thing that should attract the best coaches.
The competition is a positive, the treatment of Rich Rod or even the way that treatment is perceived nationally is a big negative. Coaches want a unitifed administration and a stable athletic department, we don't have that right now.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
December 11th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
AHHHH RUN!!! Whatever, JH would kick his ass.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
Your friend must not be Jim Harbaugh.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^
Les Miles, or Bob Stoops, or anyone else that I'd want coaching Michigan.
HA! It's Schiano!
December 11th, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^
Or any one else who has both nuts in the sack!
December 11th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
Sounds like Urban at OSU is helping us weed out lousy candidates.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
Have you told him about Lloyd Carr?
December 11th, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^
he can stay at BC, where 7-5 is considered success.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^
December 11th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^
only makes our Plan A more likely.
Sheeeeeeeeit. Was Bo afraid of Woody? (answer: 5-4-1)
December 11th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^
And I agree with everyone else; if someone is too afraid of Urbz, I don't want him.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^
What road to the college football playoff isn't blocked by top quality coaches at top quality programs?
OSU just lost to a terrible Virginia Tech team, and then went undefeated in a terrible big ten, and made the playoffs. Please find me an easier route to the playoffs than through the big ten.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^
December 11th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
It was funnier 5 years ago when GSimmons83 (?? I forget the #) was a regular poster and people called him 'gsimms.'
The good news is that if I just type 'gp' [\tab] the computer just knows what I was going to type next...
December 11th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^
no way he would fear Urbz
and do SEC coaches decline jobs there due to Saban? i find it hard to believe that any coach of quality would go in with this attitude. Urbz should be a challenge to be overcome, not a fear factor....
December 11th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
Come on, if you're into Coaching at this level you want to BE the best and BEAT the best.
December 11th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
Only time will tell.