lilpenny1316

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^

Soria's probably still hurt so either we traded for damaged goods or he got hurt here.  Either way, it figures.

During the radio broadcast (ESPN), Rick Sutcliffe reported the Oriole players said that Soria's pitches were flat.  Doesn't matter how hard you throw, if each pitch is straight or has no life, these hitters will tee off.  And I remember Soria used to have great stuff.

 

BlueinOK

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^

What is he supposed to do? He doesn't have guys who can perform. Look at the pen. Look at the guys at bat in the ninth. That's not gonna get it done in the playoffs no matter who's the manager. 

MGoCombs

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^

Al Albuquerque is your guy in that situation. I know it sounds like captain hindsight, but really I don't get why you are leaving a guy in who can't keep the ball down. Sure, Al Al could have done the same thing or gave up a grand slam. Who knows. I just think he's better at keeping the ball down and he's a strikeout pitcher.

wesq

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^

It's not Cpt. Hindsight. Al's been the best reliever since the all-star break, by far.  HE HASN'T THROWN A GD PITCH.  Joba and Joakim haven't even had a full days rest since being bombed and both have been mediocre lately.  Worst Tiger managing moment I can ever remember.

UMForLife

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^

Yes. The idiot GM goes and gets a SP. We needed solid bullpen. Somehow Soria looks bad in Detroit.

They needed some sluggers with chance of HR of the bench. They have nobody.

And they keep playing that idiot Avila.

johnthesavage

October 3rd, 2014 at 11:57 PM ^

If you're criticizing Dumbrowski, you need a bigtime reality check.

This team has won the division four straight years. That's a pretty incredible feat in the modern MLB, especially when all you can offer free agents is, well, Detroit. This bullpen, bad as it is, was good enough on this team to win the division ahead of a very good KC team. To discount that based on the results of two games is foolhardy.

The worst team in baseball could win a playoff series against the best team, if they were allowed in. That's the nature of a sport where the best teams win only 60% of their games. You judge the performance of a GM on longer time scales than this, and our guy has absolutely been among the best.

Gulogulo37

October 4th, 2014 at 1:49 AM ^

"especially when all you can offer free agents is, well, Detroit."

Um. Doesn't Detroit have one of the biggest payrolls outside of the Yankees? It's not like Dombrowski has simply charmed them into coming. It's also very generous to say the bullpen was good enough to win the division. We won the division DESPITE the bullpen. I don't follow baseball enough to criticize Dombrowski but every year it's the same thing. There's no one worth a damn in the pen. And yes, baseball is wonky and upsets happen, but we're losing exactly the way it'd seem we'd lose.

Just Maize

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

1. Could've left a cruising Sanchez in.

2. Could've gone to any of the other relievers in the pen (Al Al has been effective) over the two guys who just yesterday blew the game wide open for the O's.

UMForLife

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

This is just like Jim Leyland show. They should have fired all of Jimmy's coaches. Asmus keeps doing the same thing an expecting a different result. Sound familiar?

Tigers are done. I hope they lose the next one also, so they can fire Asmus and move on. Hope they clean the house, including the GM.

Man, we are having a rough 2 weeks.

Michigan sucks, Tiger sucks. We are going to have a beatdown tomorrow. Going to the hockey game. Hope they don't get blown out.

I will not be surprised if everything blows up for teams in Michigan that I root for.

MGoBender

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

Their numbers aren't directly comparable.  Al Al should have better numbers since he's a specialty guy that is used in games specifically when he has a favorable matchup.

Not saying I wouldn't like to have seen him today, but given Al Al's playoff implosions in recent past, there's not many managers, maybe none, that would make that move.

lazyfoot10

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:50 PM ^

It's about a 30 batter swing of lefties Nathan has had to face more of. 

That said, when you split it, per wOBA against, Al Al is better against both lefties and righties than Joe Nathan is. 

A 10 inning postseason sample size would not scare me away from using one of the Tigers' better (that's not saying much) RP in Alburquerque in a higher leverage situations. 

NorthSideBlueFan

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^

He broomed out the dead weight from last year got arguably the best off season FA closer and then traded for the best guy available at the deadline.  Pinning this on Dombrowski makes no sense just as I said in the other thread on the same topic.  He doesnt pitch, he just attempts to get the best guys available to put the team in a position to win. When players dont perform it isnt on him.  Just like JD being the second coming isnt all to his credit either, it was surely a savvy pickup, but I doubt ANYONE saw this coming for him.

 

I know everyone is way pissed, I certainly am, but DD is the least to blame in all this.

93Grad

October 3rd, 2014 at 4:47 PM ^

and soria was probably one of the top 3 set up men this year.  I am not sure its on DD to forsee they would both forget how to pitch.  It also did not help that Rondon was lost for the season. 

I do blame Ausmus to going back to Joba and Soria a day after they blew up.

lazyfoot10

October 3rd, 2014 at 5:10 PM ^

All fair points. 

I just wish he'd do more though. Like bringing in another lefty to compete with Phil Coke in spring training. Perhaps instead of spending big on a few guys, spread it out. Sort of like what he did with SS this year, threw a bunch of guys at the wall and went with what stuck.

Maybe could have made a move for Andrew Miller too, but hard to know what they were asking for. 

I've probably come off a lot stronger than I wanted too. Dombrowski is one of the best. Just wish he'd try something different for the bullpen.

MGoBlue96

October 4th, 2014 at 2:46 AM ^

a net wash in the offseason.  It did not make the Tigers pen any better.The Rondon thing was a tough break I will grant you that, but where exactly did DD expect the improvement to come from coming into theseason with this pen? Taking a flyer on a guy who has been a bum the last couple of years, in Joba, is not the answerto  that question

Having to give up prospects to get Soria never would of happened, if DD would have done a better job of improving the bullpen in the offseason, in the first place.