(This angle has been discussed here)
CC: Does Harbaugh's inaction tell us something?
It reminds me of Caddyshack....
"I've often thought of becoming a golf club."
Don't drive angry!
All the proof you need is this picture. Who in their right mind would take the time to take a picture with a creepy buckeye fan? Lloyd or Rich Rod never did this. FACT!
...could be a gay buckeye cruise (not that there's anything wrong with that... the gay part... not the buckeye part). You decide.
Or it could mean he's going to the NFL or CFL or any other school.
Without getting too douchey it means what most prognosticators have been saying, James is going SOMEWHERE other than Stanford next year. Question is whether its an NFL team or us.
Dateline: Hamilton, Ontario
January 2, 2011
The Hamilton Tiger Cats are pleased to announce their new Head Coach and General Manager, formerly Head Coach of the Stanford Cardinal, Mr. Jim Harbaugh. Mr. Harbaugh also played professionally in the NFL; most notably starting with the Chicago Bears for a number of years. He is an alumni of the University of Michigan.
But it could also mean he is waiting on the NFL.
After the Stanford bowl game he will resign and come coach our high school team.
handling the negotiations. It is very hush hush at this point so do not tell anybody. The only sticking point is his buyout clause from Stanford- at this time our high school team is fundraising $1.2 million via car washes and such- then we will make the big announcement.
you already got him the gold toilet? How much does one of those babies cost?
Apparently you didn't learn how to read a calendar growing up. It says 2009 in the link you dipshit.
time does fly, dipshit.
This is the second time you posted the same link in this thread. You were corrected 2 hours ago, yet you still posted it again.
the first time, no doubt to save me from being called a dipshit by a dispshit.
Do they cancel each other out? Just wondering.
a dipshit for making an honest mistake. The other is a dispshit for calling it out. You decide.
I feel like someone should photoshop Terrelle Pryor into this.
Probably as the dude on the right.
You got hammered with neg votes and OMG Shirtless got up voted. I guess the board did as you requested.
that the article you linked to is a year old?
My this is telling...
That article is from last year.
Lynn Henning has an interesting article in today's DetNews about potential Harbaugh NFL angles, and concludes that Carolina may be the most likely destination, with the possibility of landing Luck in the draft.
LH said JH would crawl to be Sparty's coach and RR was to be fired already. No matter how interesting, I think I will pass on his articles. Not being Snarky, thanks for bringing it up though.
Yeah I saw that and threw up in my mouth a little, then realized that it was the funniest damn joke I'd ever heard.
Well, he was referring to Harbaugh's purported interest in the MSU job back in 2006, which I don't specifically recall. The main take-away is that it's impossible to know what motivates Harbaugh--he has deep connections to the NFL, and to Michigan (and perhaps unnecessary, when Michigan already has a coach committed to Michigan, and who has the potential to be very successful).
Yes, oddly, it is impossible for Henning to know what Harbaugh might do, because that would entail some actual investigation or reporting-like activity, as opposed to just pulling stuff out of his a** and firing off a column that rests upon 100% pure and uninformed speculation.
None of the college programs hiring have gone after Harbaugh, at least in a public manner. I'd have thought programs like Florida might have at least taken a run at him. So I figure its accepted by most of the ADs that Harbaugh is either going to the NFL or going to Michigan and they have no shot at him.
We'll find out in under a month. If this coaching search isn't wrapped up one way or another (RR's contracted extended/vote of confidence or Harbaugh hired) by the 2nd week of January I'm hitting AA Torch and Pitchfork and going looking for Brandon.
Miami took a run at him and he said he wasn't interested.
Reported by the Miami Herald.
Or I dont believe it...
It's a link from Stanford Daily Twitter account. Second one down.
Here is one.
“The trustee said UM inquired about Stanford’s Jim Harbaugh, who wasn’t interested,
I don't know?
that other programs thought that there were better options than Harbaugh?
If Harbaugh didn't have any previous ties to Michigan, I don't think Michigan fans would be clamoring for him either. Too many people are hung up on this "Michigan Man" BS, which I find to be absolutely comical after the way he threw Michigan under the bus for personal benefit.
Is it possible that DB is waiting on Harbaugh to prove himself? I know Stanford has a great record and in a BCS bowl, but who have they beat? Their best win was against USC on a last second FG and they beat Arizona who had a terrible November. Losing to Oregon isn't that big of a deal to me since they rolled every other team in their schedule save Cal. Stanford at times looked very sharp this season and I do think JH has done a good job there. Maybe DB is looking at both games to see how the coaches perform and makes an appropriate decision after Jan 1st.
are you forgetting that in 2007 Stanford beat #1 ranked USC while Pete was still there. Are you forgetting that they did it again in 2009 while Pete was still there. As a matter of fact Stanford has won 3 of their last 4 against USC, tell me another team that has done that. are you forgetting that he is currently the coach at Stanford ("we talkng bout Stanford"). I will grant you that Stanford is a great university from an academic stand point but maybe not so much from an athletic stand point. I would say that the ability to win at Stanford says that he could probably win anywhere.
Those USC teams were not the ones we had come to know from earlier in the decade. They did not have any Lienarts or Bushs on those teams. Furthermore USC was good for one let-down per season in the Pac-10 and luckily for Stanford it happened against them in 2007. I think those USC wins say more about USC's downfall than anything Stanford (or Harbaugh) did.
I know you can make the argument against Coach Rod that he hasn't pulled a big upset but you put it clearly that Stanford isn't Michigan when it comes to football tradition. Back in 2007 everybody thought Stanford was a cake-walk. On the other hand nobody is going to let up against Michigan and that's why you haven't seen a good team cough one up against us.
Historically, most teams have been able to beat Stanford even when they "let up." Stanford beat USC in 2007 with a backup quarterback making his first career start, and broke a 35-game home winning streak for USC (source).
Interestingly enough, looking at Dennis Green's record, it appears he beat Notre Dame at Notre Dame when they were ranked #1 in 1990 (source). Just like Harbaugh in 2007, Green only won 3 games in that first year at Stanford.
MOST teams have been able to be Stanford even when they let up. But that's not a guarantee and once in a blue moon you will have an upset like Stanford's over USC in 2007. But for teams like ND, USC and Mich, please bring up a notable upset. What I'm saying is nobody lets up against the good teams bc they are already circled on the schedule whereas who really cares about Stanford until this year?
I think it took a lot more than just a "let up" by USC in 2007 - I think Stanford had to play out of its mind. That's kind of the point about looking at upsets with respect to a coach's performance - a coach who can get his team to play above its expected level will result in occasional, notable upsets.
Really, the argument cuts both ways. A good coach needs to be able to get his team to elevate its level of play against superior opponents, but also needs to be able to get his team to maintain its level of play against inferior opponents.
In that sense, Michigan under RR has beaten one higher ranked team (Wisc in 2008) and lost to 3 lower ranked teams (Utah in 2008, MSU in 2009, PSU in 2010). Stanford, in the first 3 years under JH, has beaten 4 higher ranked teams (USC in 2007, Wash, Ore, and USC in 2009) and lost to 2 lower ranked teams (Cal and Oklahoma in 2009).
Obviously, every football game is an individual event, and there are always extenuating circumstances that can explain any particular win or loss. But looking at upsets, either way, is something that reasonable fans will do.
I like Stanford, and I agree that JH has done a remarkable job there. However, I suspect that Stanford is a unique place, and that success at Stanford does not automatically or necessarily translate to success anywhere else. Only two coaches since WWII have left Stanford with a winning record and gone on to coach at another college:
- John Ralston ('63-'71, 55-36-3), San Jose State ('93-'96, 11-34)
- Tyrone Willingham ('95-'01, 44-36-1), Notre Dame ('02-'04, 21-15), Washington ('05-'08, 11-37)
Two coaches since WWII have left Stanford with a losing record and gone on to coach at another college:
- Jack Curtice ('58-'62, 14-36), UC Santa Barbara ('63-'69, 37-29-1)
- Buddy Teevens ('02-'04, 10-23), Dartmouth ('05-'10, 15-45)
Other coaches who moved on to the NFL:
- Jack Christiansen ('72-'76, 30-22-3), NFL assistant with various teams
- Bill Walsh ('77-'78 and '92-'94, 34-24-1), San Francisco 49ers
- Jack Elway ('84-'88, 25-29-2), NFL scout with Denver Broncos
- Dennis Green ('89-'91, 16-18), Minnesota Vikings
The record is mixed, and I don't think we can say anything definitive about what "succeeding at Stanford" really means.
Interesting that of that list only Willingham really coached at another (2 of them) major program. I think Jack Christiansen was actually a HC at KC for a year. Regardless, it's nice to boast that you once had arguably the greatest pro football coach of all time (I'd say Walsh, Lombardi, and Paul Brown are in the top 3, though not sure how to order that list).
I would be remiss if I didn't mention a former Stanford coach (albeit pre-WWII) who had success at Stanford (winning record) and then left to coach the University of Michigan:
Sometimes, flukes happen.
If he was such a coaching genious in 2007, he doesn't let Stanford lose to horrible Washington and Washington State teams.
In his mind (I think he' s even been quoted as saying this) he thinks he can win a national title next year if Luck comes back. I'm sure Luck's decision factors into his decision somewhat.
Luck has until Jan. 15th to declare for the draft. That date makes waiting on his decision (or potential to change his mind) too late for Michigan or any other college job, but not for an NFL job.
Many, many ways to read Harbaugh's purported silence.
Like what? Granted, maybe he wants to jump to the NFL. But why wouldn't he want to sign something pretty quickly unless he wants to leave?
[Edit - just read the Andrew Luck angle. That seems like another possibility...]
Or maybe he's waiting until after his bowl game to do a thorough evaluation of the situation.....
I see what you did there and I like it.
Several possibilities: it is a negotiation tactic, and he wants better terms; he wants to see what Andrew Luck will do; he wants to leave, but for an NFL team, and signing the contract will somehow impose an additional hurdle/restriction on his flight (granted, this scenario has him leaving); wants to wait for the end of the NFL season to see what's available (again, yes, he leaves, but not necessarily for Michigan, which makes his inaction ambiguous as to what exaclty his intentions are); he has a sub rosa agreement/understanding with Dave Brandon; finally, he wants to see what Michigan will do after the Gator Bowl.
+ 1 for sub rosa
Maybe he's waiting for Michigan, maybe he's waiting for the NFL (either a particular job or just no lockou), maybe he is negotiating an even larger contract. There are tons of reasons he hasn't signed it yet
As long as they don't pull the offer, he has no reason to jump and sign it, especially if most teams (college or pro) won't announce or do anything until after the BCS game.
and he's sitting on his Stanford crapper scheming for his bowl game with no idea that there are potential vacancies anywhere.
I didn't know this. Interesting, but it could mean a number of things, I suppose.
it is certainly telling...
Brandon's delay with Harbaugh's delay, it just seems to fit the theory that there is a deal between the two. Both schools want their teams to enjoy the Bowl games without the distraction of an actual coaching change.
Stanford AD protects his back with his boosters by a knowingly futile offer and Brandon avoids the PR disaster by naming Harbaugh his coach thus forgiven by everyone.
What I don't understand is why RR doesn't march into Brandon's office and demand an answer. It may well be he has done so and has been told he is not coming back.
With what leverage? Maybe he did demand and answer and Brandon refused to give him one. Its not like RR really has any leg to stand on. To quote Costanza, Rich Rod has no hand, no hand at all.
a fractured relationship should Brandon later tell him he is staying for one more year. Brandon is a new AD and the LAST thing he wants is acrimony involving his cash cow the football program.
If RR marches into his office and does not get an answer BOTH parties then know what they need to do. RR would not be able to trust Brandon going forward (trust is built on relationships and Brandon not sensitive enough to give him an answer says all RR needs to know) and Brandon recognizing this will not comfortable with RR which will lead chaos in the program.
RR and company are still hard on the recruiting trail, it seems like quite the opposite. More like DB said, "okay dude, you're cool". Pure speculation though, obviously. OR DB hasn't told him anything. Round and round we go.
He has to keep recruiting. That's part of his job. Even if he knows he's fired three weeks from now, he still has to do his job until then. He can't just flake out and collect paychecks. How would he explain that a prospective employer? And it's always in his best interests to build as many contacts as he can, if he does manage to land another job.
I agree with you. If DB told RR he won't be back next year, he can still go out there and build contacts and relationships with the schools.
I heard this on Sam Webb this morning that RR and the coaches have told players they expect to be back next year. Not sure if anyone else heard this also. I had to take a call so I wasn't able to listen to the entire podcast. Is this true?
What else would they tell recruits?
Sorry, but I'll be shocked if he's back after the bowl. I like RR and think he's a good guy, but my guess is JH is here in early January.
He would have been in on the Miami hire.
I'm sorry, but some of you need to give up the idea that RR is still a hot name in the coaching profession. Right now, other ADs are going to look at him as damaged goods. He has a losing record over three years and has constantly been shrouded in controversy. If he's fired, he'll likely either need to take some time off or take a lower job.
RR is not a hot prospect for big time colleges. That is why he is fighting so hard for his job. Not many want him considering how he handled his departure from WV and what he has done at Michigan.
Honestly, if we had a crystal ball to see where we are today when we were interviewing RR for the Michigan job three years ago, would we have hired him? I don't think so.
I disparately wanted RR when he was hired. But today I recognize he is not right for the job.
If he had a crystal ball and could have seen how he would have been treated and ridiculed, I think he would have declined as well.
actually, rodriguez will be in HIGH demand in the SEC. don't forget that he was first choice for alabama...even over saban. my guess is he'd coach on the lesser SEC teams. but to say that he won't be in demand is as far from the truth as can be. his system will work in the SEC, just not the Big Ten, is the collective belief.
... that they dodged that bullet. Prior to Saban (Satan), they had many misteps in hiring coaches. RR would have been a total disaster at Alabama. How do I know? I follow them closely as I married into the "Alabama family". They would not have dealt with the WVU departure well. And there is no way they would have had the patience we've had transforming to the spread.
did you happen to notice the situation Saban walked into? They wouldn't have had to be patient with RR because Ala. actually had a great team. Also, as we have seen throughout time Ala. has no problem recruiting.
The only reason Ala. fans would have had to be angry with RR about would be that he is an honest man who plays by the rules, they probabaly wouldn't like that.
Finally, are you aware of what Saban did with his departures from his previous stops? Do your homework and you will see what RR did at WVU wasn't all that bad.
Rodriguez will be in super-high demand as a coaching candidate. Hopefully we won't have a chance to find out.
Maybe the relationship that he and DB forged through-out this year is strong enough that neither of them have to feed this media-driven story. Maybe the lack of leaks coming out of both Stanford and UM are telling the story too many don't want to hear. I still believe that this is all media noise and the silence from all parties is telling us that there is actually no drama around the program at all.
Did that sound convincing? Maybe if I repeat it several more times to myself...
they sit down and talk football everyday like it has been stated in every article and by RR and DB.. RR knows by now and if you think he doesn't then god help you
then why the not so thinly veiled plea for his job at the Bust. Why have there been no leaks from any of Rich's people, agent or recruits saying that Rich is staying. Why no insider articles written by a reporter Rich trusts and gives a scope.
Truth is, Rich has no idea if he is going to get fired after the Bowl game or not. Otherwise we would already know about it. Only one person knows and that is Dave Brandon.
was for fans to accept him and get off his jock and let him coach
The only reason the average Michigan fan knows about his "appeal" is because how badly he embarassed himself. That was not exactly the place to get a message across to the fanbase. It really was a sad plea for his job, and embarassing for everyone involved.
Seriously? You must either still be in school or not far along in your career path yet. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that no employee fearing for the job because of past struggles in their work performance, has ever "marched into their bosses office" and demanded anything without walking back out unemployed.
Money. Very simply, RR cannot go in and demand an answer to his status because he has no leverage. He doesn't have the cash to threaten to leave. I am rather sure he doesn't have $4M in the bank to pay a buyout nor are there other deep pocketed schools clamoring for his services. What is he going to do, demand an answer from Brandon or what, play Josh Groban at every practice?
As a result he has to sit there twisting in the wind.
That DB, is a very succesful business man who will lead this dept by making buisness decisions. He knows that RR is under contract and has to deal with DB's timeline. His only other realistic option is to quit, then DB's decision becomes easier, and he has alot more $$ to use in the JH (or anybody else) negotiation.
Maybe Dave is not only a business man, but a hell of a salesman too. He brings Harbaugh in, and tells Jim that RR must stay as OC. I know its a bit off, but c'mon.....we have 2-3 more weeks of speculation. Might as well go all out!
DB has specifically said that he's waiting until the end of the season to evaluate. He may have checked through back door connections to see if Harbaugh is interested but I doubt he has made the decision yet. It would give him a PR nightmare if it's a done deal now. Everything would eventually come to light with FOIA requests,
IIRC, Brandon began his "delay" (or gave his timeline) when the media asked about RR's status at the time the NCAA ruling was announced (early November), so DB was playing footsie with Harbaugh when the team was 6-3 (bowl eligible)? That seems unlikely.
Coaches the Baltimore Ravens, but I am not sure what bowl everyone is talking about...Oh the Super Bowl. You mean we are going to have to wait until February?
It’s Herby Harbaugh.... duh
Hair ball. Haven't you seen Brian post all those kitty pictures?
We have been over this. Everytime a new CC thread is made one of Santa's elves are shot. We are now dangerously close to having Christmas cancelled. Is that what you want? Do you want to take Christmas from the children? DO YOU?!?!
Stewie and Brian (NTB) will save Christmas.
Not trying to bust your chops, but some of us do want to talk about this...if that isn't your thing, just read something else. Because you and others may not want to talk about something, that doesn't mean many members around here have no interest.
I find the silence to be deafening. Brandon is well aware that by delaying, he makes recruiting more difficult. He also knows that this is his chance, or RichRod is his guy. I was solidly behind Rod until PSU...since then I have been on the fence. Perhaps the MSU game will be the game changer; I think not. I think the decision has already been made. Had Brandon been behind RichRod, there would have been some public affirmation of support, consistent with Brandon's waiting until the end of the season mantra. DB was very clear earlier this year that RichRod would be the coach this season (also telling words). Inaction often speaks as much as action.
I don't mind CC posts at all. But if it results in Santas little elves takin a .357 to the chest....
I realize this is intresting and definitely worth discussing. But there have been 124,482 threads about it and none of them offer anything new or insightful and repeat points that have been covered before. If you have something new, groundbreaking, or confirmed then share it. Until then please continue to discuss this with friends and family.
The "whining about people whining" is becoming a bit overbearing to say the least. I come to this site everyday looking for more insight, or speculation even on what others think might or could happen with our wolverines, and lately its just been people getting bitched at for starting a thread that involves a "CC".......we can't even say coaching change, its like Voldemort. Well, blame DB for that.
in August there was an infinte number of prediction threads over the upcoming season. After about the 2nd one there were unending gripes over how redundant these threads were and yet the gripers still continued to click the link and gripe the whole way through. Kind of reminds me of a scene in Family Guy where Peter sticks his finger in a pencil sharpener only to find out that it hurts, but instead of learning from it, he repeats the action, over and over. Truth be told, until we know something, speculation is all we have, and if it's all we have we're gonna use it.
FAIL. After Peter sharpens all his pencils down to nubs, he looks around and unzips. Nary a finger was harmed. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Totally agree with your take and position with respect to RR, PSU and further. I really don't think that DB is the least bit concerned with 2011 recruiting. As a former CEO, he's thinking strategic, not tactical. If JH is the guy, then he's willing to take a short term hit (recruiting) if he believes JH is a long term solution.
So like the OP said, why did you bother clicking on it? You also took the time to comment.
It's all speculation until January 2nd. There only seems to be a few possible outcomes; and I don't think we'll be able to gain any insight into Harbaugh or Brandon's thought process by reading into everything DB, RR, and JH say and do (or don't say or do).
As I was scrolling through your comment, I managed to think of 69 new pics you could have for your instead of your "thing" of a picture. I finally got to the end and saw -6. I laughed.
Harbaugh leave the Baltimore Ravens? That makes no sense.
I like to read every thread about coaching changes -- speculation, evidence, ideas, worries, heresay. I am not opposed in any way whatsoever to this. What else are you going to do until bowl time? Bring on the CC threads I say.
And another thing: on the way home from work today I am going to buy a huge vat of rum to drink with my eggnogg. But I will only add a little to one glass of eggnogg, then drink the remainder of the rum neat.
It tells us that he hasn't signed a contract with a team not named Stanford since 2006
I think it just means he is sticking to the time table he set forth where he will review his football program and his options after the entire season including the bowl game.
It pretty strongly suggests he's leaving Stanford. He's making next to no effort to dispel the rumors. Now, it isn't guaranteed that he's coming here, but I'd be very surprised at this point if he stayed there.
The other could be that he's, you know, doing his job and preparing his team for a bowl game and then will deal with everything after the season is over. This goes for both JH and DB in his "decision".
To me having to dispel rumors of where you're going to be working next year while you're currently working should not have to happen. As a member of the "internet generation" it super offends me that peoples attention spans and constant feening for information gets in the way of real life and prevents people from living and doing their jobs. Having to answer the same question four times a day for months on end would get old quick after day one.
Quit being five years old, and take people for their word and WAIT for things to happen...or not happen.
EDIT: I'm not "yelling" at a person in general, just the whole situation including and especially the media.
Can someone provide a link to that post from earlier this year where some dude hilariously said that everything would be telling? I can't even remember what the hell the topic was, he just listed every possible action and said it would be telling.
EDIT: I think it had something to do with Jonathan Hankins
Yes, but what who knows.
Brian's sponsors must like the CC threads.
Yes, it tells us volumes. You just have to be able to read between the [nonexistant] lines.
but for the record I am not a fan of harbaugh because I think he's arrogant, plus that whole "Michigan's academics under Bo sucked" thing that everyone convieniently forgot about.
Not everyone has forgotten that.
Harbaugh would hardly unite the fanbase. He would only make things worse. He is, rhetorically, a divisive figure, and he would upend our offensive recruiting. It would be a mess. We will officially become ND.
You're kidding, right? We're totally different. Our colors are maize and blue - not blue and gold, our stadium is a bowl, and we are in the midwest. So there.
He coached at The University of San Diego not SDSU, where he led them to two straight Pioneer League titles.
With your constant focus on the offense, I am convinced you are the chick in the MZone video:
guy who says perestroika comrade?
magically bring anyone back togther
I was like "how did I miss this on Monday (Dec. 13th) and then I realized the article in from 2009.
Coaches say more in their pauses than they say in their words.
I learned that on the streets. In the ghetto in fact.
Not signing the extension really isn't unusual, RR let his contract sit for 10 months before signing (3/4 of the way through his first season which wasn't going to well).
Sometimes there is an immediate signing. Miles is a good example, but I think that gun to his head may have helped.
.. tell us something about the coaching situation at Michigan?
Me seeing a CC post right now is similar to Peter Griffin whenever he was told a certain joke. Im running out of underwear so can we please stop.
that noone seems to be picking up on.
As we should all be well aware of at this time, in addition to Brandon being former CEO of dominoes, he is also an avid fan of cartoons of the eighties, specifically Voltron. We all know that in Voltron, the cats were never strong enough to beat the enemy alone, and required to work together to create Voltron to whoop some ass.
I'm pretty sure that Brandon is assembling 5 coaches to coach his team. Here's the supposed breakdown;
Harbaugh: Coaches "Michigan Man" stuff
RR: Coaches the offense
Frank Beamer: Special teams and Beamer Ball
Nick Saban: Defense
Gerg: Tickle Monster (I think its a new position this year)
They work together to create the head coach "Voltron"
I'm really suprised that this obvious theory has yet to been pointed out despite its obviousness.
Does the State of Michigan have a public law that requires positions to be posted for X number of days for public employment? What I am trying to say is that many people think or assume that on Jan 2nd that Brandon is just going to walk out and say Rich is gone, Jim will be here by 5, thanks.
I know at least in Missouri, you have to "search" coaching jobs, even if you have a candidate lined up. In fact, most public employment hirings require that you interview a minority, or rank more like it, who your minority candidates were. We do that to get through gender equity.
Maybe Brandon can do just that, say Rich is out, Jim is in, but it seems like there would have to be some kind of process??
I don't know how it works, but it would be a little strange that the public employment stuff would apply since the athletic department is completely self sufficient. Not sure if that factors in or not, but it's not like taxpayers are paying Rodriguez's salary.
I know UM posted the job when Lloyd retired. It was kicking around in the Haloscan threads.
That he needs more fiber in his diet....clear up that inaction right away.
I'll go for the Soviet analogy someone else used on a thead like this. Because it somehow seems fitting as I am reading a book about the waning days of the Cold War at the moment. Well General Shotemov is standing behind the Party Secretary, that clearly means he is the next in sucession. But there is that incident he had in Omsk, that might hurt his chances. But that was so long ago, he made amends for that. Still, an F-15 getting that close to the Soviet Union. Well, you know....
DB is saying nothing JH is saying nothing we are wondering about RR and being hung out there till after the bowls. How about this for a chain reaction Stewart announces all of a sudden he is retiring after WV bowl game and Casteel is signing an extension. After the Bowl JH to Michigan RR back to WV everybody’s happy. Hey this is all getting rather stupid now why not be funny.
Are you trying to say that Harbaugh's inaction is....telling? telling indeed
He will just retire and play Super Tecmo Bowl 18 hrs a day!
the greatest video game ever
1) I don't think it's uncommon for coaches to let contract negotiations/ actually signing a contract linger for a while.
2) He could be waiting to see what NFL jobs become available\
However, I do agree that his silence on this issue most likely means he's interested if Michigan comes knocking.
Harbaugh DOES have a contract through 2014 already. Have we considered that his inaction is because he doesn't know if he wants to keep coaching Stanford that long? It doesn't have to be 2011. There are 3 whole years after it that Harbaugh can wait for...
Huh? The new extension probably has a raise but in exchange a poison-pill buyout to leave for the Michigan job. He could still sign the contract if he wanted to coach there next year and leave after next season....
Who knows? Only JH and DB for sure right now.....
Tells us he has not yet signed a contract extension offered....Why he has not yet signed it, only JH knows for sure....
It's so simple!
Harbaugh clearly must becoming to Michigan because he has not signed the contract.
But, Harbaugh clearly cannot be coming to Michigan because he is coaching his bowl game and has said he is staying.
However, RR has not received an endorsement or extension from DB, so clearly Harbaugh is coming to Michigan.
But it is inconceivable that DB would wait that long and leave recruits hanging so clearly Harbaugh is not coming to Michigan.
They have given everything away! I know where Harbaugh is going!
This is absolutely the best post I have ever read about the Harbaugh or Rodriguez question. You my friend have nailed it!
ESPN Guy, “Not a day goes by that your name is not talked about for an NFL job, or the Michigan job. Preparing for a big game, how do deal with all rumors out there from the media?”
JH,”We just focus on the football game, I would say I have a duel focus, the Orange Bowl and the birth of my fifth child.”
Great coach speak , but why don’t they ask him, “Has Team X been in contact with you?”
And he says the same thing every time. "I only talk about the job I have. My dad told me to just coach my own team."
Unless either Stanford or Harbaugh have talked, nobody know whether he has or not.
This is true, although I'd be shocked if Harbaughed signed the extention and Stanford's AD didn't go around bragging about it and what a good job he was doing as AD.
I like it. May come in handy next Thanksgiving weekend.
If the Stanford AD went public with the offer, you can rest assured they would have gone public with the acceptance.
to be re-plated. It's a time-consuming job, but once it's done, the extension will be signed.
You are defiantly in the anti JH side.
Actually, that's not accurate, although I admit that my comments here wouldn't indicate so. I have my issues with Harbaugh, primarily over his past criticisms of the academic stuff, but I've also been of the opinion for a while that he's a damn good coach, equal to if not better than RR. I think what he's done at Stanford is pretty remarkable, and dismissing his victories against USC as nothing significant is pretty weak sauce coming from UM fans, seeing as how the Trojans have thoroughly kicked our ass the last two times we've played them.
I saw online today that JH is one of three coaches in the last 40 years who have taken a 1-11 team to 11-1 within four years (The other two are Johnny Majors at Pitt, and John L. Smith at Louisville).
I think RR deserves another year, but I've concluded that DB is going to let him go, and that Harbaugh is the only obvious replacement. I also think that RR will land another job at a BCS program, and will within short order have his new program playing at a high level. Clemson would seem like a likely place to me, given his past ties there.
One thing I guarantee, though: Harbaugh will very quickly put his foot in his mouth in a major way in dealing with the media once he's UM's coach, and it will be enjoyable to observe the excuse-making defenses of Harbaugh by those who continue to assert that RR has "problems" with the media. Everything I've read about Harbaugh in the last six months indicates to me that he's an aggressive, arrogant dickhead, and this view is confirmed by a close friend who knew him years ago here in A2. Regardless, it's all about wins, and DB knows that very well.
I agree with what you said, but I also think that those who assert that "RR has problems with the media" probably wouldn't make as big a deal of it if we were winning. So regardless of who the coach is next year, his job will be easier if we are winning.
100% correct. Anybody who thinks that the Wolverine fanbase is less nuts about having a winning program than Alabama or Texas or Florida fans is fooling themselves. We're pretty much the same.
The excuses I'm looking forward to are the ones explaining why the team isn't BCS caliber by year three if it were to happen, assuming there is little or no attrition,or devastating injuries. IMO, Firing RR before he graduates a class sets a precedence. Will JH get the same treatment if he hasn't turned things around? He will be in the same situation as far as installing his own style and philosophy of play as well as the players his system. If they take that into consideration and give him all the time he needs to get things done, then that would look bad to me.
Wouldn’t bother me at all, I miss Lloyds venom with the media (the Parcells/B. Knight school of media relation). I think JH comes in and puts MSU/OSU on notice and brings back Fortress Shembechler.
coming to Michigan, the more heads that stick in the sand about the legitimacy of the possibility. The facts are simple, it's the worst three years in program's history(no one person's or one staff's fault); an extremely divided fanbase; and there is an up-and-coming HC that has beaten some of the top teams in his conference multiple times while an embattled coach has struggled to stay on the field with the top teams in the conference during his tenure. The up-and-comer would arguably heal the fractured fanbase(moreso than the embattled coach) and the up-and-comer (not Brady Hoke)would bring a sense of "normacy' to the fanbase for what Michigan has always been known for.
As uncomfortable and even painful as it will most-likely be, I think come January 4th, 5th, or 6th, there will be a change of head coaches at Michigan and most if not all the in-fighting, name-calling and nuclear attacks will cease.
As much as I like RR as a person and respect him as a man of integrity and his football knowledge, I am more than ready for the wait to be over and the change to happen, because all this bullshit between the two sides takes all the fun out of football season.
No shit. For all the invidious distinctions people like to make between Lloyd and RR, wasn't there pretty much the same bullshit directed toward Lloyd during all the 8-4ish years? I think MGoBlog is a haven, for as much as I disagree with jmblue, dahblue, and Los Barcos's conclusions about the state and future of the program, I never feel like they are arguing in bad faith. Reasonable people can come to very different conclusions about what the best course of action is.
I think it is beyond ludicrous to fire a coach after year 3 of a massive transformation of a program who has already built a top-10 or -20 offense (depending on the metrics), has the reigning B10/11/12 OPOY entering his second of three years as a dilithium-powered death machine, and who returns 19 or 20 of 22 starters, depending on how you count Dorrestein, Webb, and Ezeh.
I also think that ignoring all the good RR has done, all the credibility he has with his players, all the blood, sweat, and stretching (zing!) they have given for him, both sends a terrible message about what UM is all about--if all we're hunting for is wins, then we're no different from the SEC, and seriously underestimates the morale problem JH will have if he coaches next year.
Nevertheless, I can understand the counterarguments, and they've been made cogently by several posters here. But to assume that somehow Harbaugh will quiet the "just win, baby" throng is totally naive, IMO. Even if he does win immediately, which I have my doubts about, he will eventually have tough seasons, just as Lloyd, Urban, Brown, et al. have. Then where will we be?
RR is a good guy and a great coach but just has not been a fit here for many reasons. I suspect that we will move to JH if he is truly available and ready to come to M, and RR will end up landing on his feet somewhere else.
Inaction = not interested
season or any season. I'm not saying JH will magically do anything, but his track record at a much less prestigous football program turned things around quicker (he inherited 1-11) and was more sucessful against the big boys in his conference(he beat USC at USC when he was a HUGE underdog)
RR's methods, while successful at WVU have not been as such here. I know he has only had three years. But after three years, one would think we could at least compete with someon in the top half of the conference. The stats don't lie, and as any coach will admit, they are paid to win and it's not happening to this point.
For those of you that think JH isn't any better or is worse than RR, why is he considered the hottest coach in the country right now? He is winning and winning in a conference that is much better than the Big East. If you put Stanford in the Big Ten this season, my guess is they would be in the top two.
Is Ed 'Too Tall' Jones too tall?
What, I don't know
I think its important not to underestimate Jimmy's background. His father was a football coach, he came to Michigan - won the starting QB job and it was Jimmy that started an unbelievable run of starting QB's going into the pro's (including Brady ...that ended with Henne). His brother is an NFL head coach ... for a team known for its defense. In fact - Stanford's new DC came from the Ravens staff. JH has been raised with football his entire life. Family get togethers are still most likely all about football.
Yeah ... he's arrogant and cocky (no different than when he was a player), but not as much as Saban ... b/c Saban's also a prick..
If ... repeat IF... DB fires RR ... then the new coach better be Jimmy ... or what we've seen on this board so far will seem minor compared what will happen then.
Go Blue !
Regardless of what happens with RR, people need to understand that he's no longer a hot coach. If he gets canned, somebody will take him, of course. But he won't be targeted by any of the big boys. Their fan-bases won't like it. RR, like it or not, is considered sort of a loser right now.
Whatever happens I want Michigan to play osu for the division title next year. The teams have to meet in the championship game for the first big ten championship.
has to have a plan when he keeps everyone in limbo about Rich Rod. The question I have, is that if Harbaugh is not coming, then what else could be the reason for his actions?
Ok well...... My intentions were to make my own post. But unexplicabtly I cannot create my own post until I have accumulated 100 points. Frankly (no my name is not Frank) I have been reading mgoblog posts for some time. Just last week I figured out what CC meant, and it was a personal reward. Needless to say I am not an internet guy as I am too busy. But I do my best to keep Satirdays in the fall free. I am an alum ('99) and as I said I have been reading posts for about three months about CC (haha I finally got it). Call me a MICHIGAN MAN or ELITIST or whatever your words for a COACHING CHANGE are. but it its time for Jimmy Harbaugh. There are definite reasons for this decision in my mind and I will do my best to explain my reasons.....
1. BO RULES
RR basically asked for permission to be a "Michigan Man" . DUDE you dont ask to be a Michigan Man. You either are or your'e not. CASE CLOSED The jury is out as to whether or not we want that but DONT ASK.
2. IM TIRED. SWEATERVEST has taken our rivalry out of conversation. He has essentially ruined us. We now talk about our rivalry with teams such as little brother. Our program has deeply declined when little brother is owning us.
3. Lets discuss this CC in terms of halftime locker rooms speeches when we are playing OSU next year.....
1. RR "Well we have made some progress this year, we have NINE wins and we are only down by 17, if our defense shows up in the second half we will be in it. You go run out of that tunnel with the understanding that we have no tradition against the buckeyes and do YOUR BEST!!!!!!!! GO BLUE I WANNA BE A MICHIGAN MAN>>>>>>
2. Harbaugh.... I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR ASSES KICKED ALL OVER THE FIELD BO IS ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE. Raise your hand if you want sweatervest to get BEAT BEAT BEAT.
SEE THE DIFFERENCE