Many, many ways to read Harbaugh's purported silence.
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Many, many ways to read Harbaugh's purported silence.
Like what? Granted, maybe he wants to jump to the NFL. But why wouldn't he want to sign something pretty quickly unless he wants to leave?
[Edit - just read the Andrew Luck angle. That seems like another possibility...]
Or maybe he's waiting until after his bowl game to do a thorough evaluation of the situation.....
I see what you did there and I like it.
Several possibilities: it is a negotiation tactic, and he wants better terms; he wants to see what Andrew Luck will do; he wants to leave, but for an NFL team, and signing the contract will somehow impose an additional hurdle/restriction on his flight (granted, this scenario has him leaving); wants to wait for the end of the NFL season to see what's available (again, yes, he leaves, but not necessarily for Michigan, which makes his inaction ambiguous as to what exaclty his intentions are); he has a sub rosa agreement/understanding with Dave Brandon; finally, he wants to see what Michigan will do after the Gator Bowl.
+ 1 for sub rosa
Maybe he's waiting for Michigan, maybe he's waiting for the NFL (either a particular job or just no lockou), maybe he is negotiating an even larger contract. There are tons of reasons he hasn't signed it yet
As long as they don't pull the offer, he has no reason to jump and sign it, especially if most teams (college or pro) won't announce or do anything until after the BCS game.
and he's sitting on his Stanford crapper scheming for his bowl game with no idea that there are potential vacancies anywhere.
I didn't know this. Interesting, but it could mean a number of things, I suppose.
it is certainly telling...
Brandon's delay with Harbaugh's delay, it just seems to fit the theory that there is a deal between the two. Both schools want their teams to enjoy the Bowl games without the distraction of an actual coaching change.
Stanford AD protects his back with his boosters by a knowingly futile offer and Brandon avoids the PR disaster by naming Harbaugh his coach thus forgiven by everyone.
What I don't understand is why RR doesn't march into Brandon's office and demand an answer. It may well be he has done so and has been told he is not coming back.
With what leverage? Maybe he did demand and answer and Brandon refused to give him one. Its not like RR really has any leg to stand on. To quote Costanza, Rich Rod has no hand, no hand at all.
a fractured relationship should Brandon later tell him he is staying for one more year. Brandon is a new AD and the LAST thing he wants is acrimony involving his cash cow the football program.
If RR marches into his office and does not get an answer BOTH parties then know what they need to do. RR would not be able to trust Brandon going forward (trust is built on relationships and Brandon not sensitive enough to give him an answer says all RR needs to know) and Brandon recognizing this will not comfortable with RR which will lead chaos in the program.
RR and company are still hard on the recruiting trail, it seems like quite the opposite. More like DB said, "okay dude, you're cool". Pure speculation though, obviously. OR DB hasn't told him anything. Round and round we go.
He has to keep recruiting. That's part of his job. Even if he knows he's fired three weeks from now, he still has to do his job until then. He can't just flake out and collect paychecks. How would he explain that a prospective employer? And it's always in his best interests to build as many contacts as he can, if he does manage to land another job.
I agree with you. If DB told RR he won't be back next year, he can still go out there and build contacts and relationships with the schools.
I heard this on Sam Webb this morning that RR and the coaches have told players they expect to be back next year. Not sure if anyone else heard this also. I had to take a call so I wasn't able to listen to the entire podcast. Is this true?
What else would they tell recruits?
Sorry, but I'll be shocked if he's back after the bowl. I like RR and think he's a good guy, but my guess is JH is here in early January.
He would have been in on the Miami hire.
I'm sorry, but some of you need to give up the idea that RR is still a hot name in the coaching profession. Right now, other ADs are going to look at him as damaged goods. He has a losing record over three years and has constantly been shrouded in controversy. If he's fired, he'll likely either need to take some time off or take a lower job.
RR is not a hot prospect for big time colleges. That is why he is fighting so hard for his job. Not many want him considering how he handled his departure from WV and what he has done at Michigan.
Honestly, if we had a crystal ball to see where we are today when we were interviewing RR for the Michigan job three years ago, would we have hired him? I don't think so.
I disparately wanted RR when he was hired. But today I recognize he is not right for the job.
If he had a crystal ball and could have seen how he would have been treated and ridiculed, I think he would have declined as well.
actually, rodriguez will be in HIGH demand in the SEC. don't forget that he was first choice for alabama...even over saban. my guess is he'd coach on the lesser SEC teams. but to say that he won't be in demand is as far from the truth as can be. his system will work in the SEC, just not the Big Ten, is the collective belief.
... that they dodged that bullet. Prior to Saban (Satan), they had many misteps in hiring coaches. RR would have been a total disaster at Alabama. How do I know? I follow them closely as I married into the "Alabama family". They would not have dealt with the WVU departure well. And there is no way they would have had the patience we've had transforming to the spread.
did you happen to notice the situation Saban walked into? They wouldn't have had to be patient with RR because Ala. actually had a great team. Also, as we have seen throughout time Ala. has no problem recruiting.
The only reason Ala. fans would have had to be angry with RR about would be that he is an honest man who plays by the rules, they probabaly wouldn't like that.
Finally, are you aware of what Saban did with his departures from his previous stops? Do your homework and you will see what RR did at WVU wasn't all that bad.
Rodriguez will be in super-high demand as a coaching candidate. Hopefully we won't have a chance to find out.
Maybe the relationship that he and DB forged through-out this year is strong enough that neither of them have to feed this media-driven story. Maybe the lack of leaks coming out of both Stanford and UM are telling the story too many don't want to hear. I still believe that this is all media noise and the silence from all parties is telling us that there is actually no drama around the program at all.
Did that sound convincing? Maybe if I repeat it several more times to myself...
they sit down and talk football everyday like it has been stated in every article and by RR and DB.. RR knows by now and if you think he doesn't then god help you
then why the not so thinly veiled plea for his job at the Bust. Why have there been no leaks from any of Rich's people, agent or recruits saying that Rich is staying. Why no insider articles written by a reporter Rich trusts and gives a scope.
Truth is, Rich has no idea if he is going to get fired after the Bowl game or not. Otherwise we would already know about it. Only one person knows and that is Dave Brandon.
was for fans to accept him and get off his jock and let him coach
The only reason the average Michigan fan knows about his "appeal" is because how badly he embarassed himself. That was not exactly the place to get a message across to the fanbase. It really was a sad plea for his job, and embarassing for everyone involved.
Seriously? You must either still be in school or not far along in your career path yet. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that no employee fearing for the job because of past struggles in their work performance, has ever "marched into their bosses office" and demanded anything without walking back out unemployed.
Money. Very simply, RR cannot go in and demand an answer to his status because he has no leverage. He doesn't have the cash to threaten to leave. I am rather sure he doesn't have $4M in the bank to pay a buyout nor are there other deep pocketed schools clamoring for his services. What is he going to do, demand an answer from Brandon or what, play Josh Groban at every practice?
As a result he has to sit there twisting in the wind.
That DB, is a very succesful business man who will lead this dept by making buisness decisions. He knows that RR is under contract and has to deal with DB's timeline. His only other realistic option is to quit, then DB's decision becomes easier, and he has alot more $$ to use in the JH (or anybody else) negotiation.
Maybe Dave is not only a business man, but a hell of a salesman too. He brings Harbaugh in, and tells Jim that RR must stay as OC. I know its a bit off, but c'mon.....we have 2-3 more weeks of speculation. Might as well go all out!
DB has specifically said that he's waiting until the end of the season to evaluate. He may have checked through back door connections to see if Harbaugh is interested but I doubt he has made the decision yet. It would give him a PR nightmare if it's a done deal now. Everything would eventually come to light with FOIA requests,
IIRC, Brandon began his "delay" (or gave his timeline) when the media asked about RR's status at the time the NCAA ruling was announced (early November), so DB was playing footsie with Harbaugh when the team was 6-3 (bowl eligible)? That seems unlikely.
Coaches the Baltimore Ravens, but I am not sure what bowl everyone is talking about...Oh the Super Bowl. You mean we are going to have to wait until February?
It’s Herby Harbaugh.... duh
Hair ball. Haven't you seen Brian post all those kitty pictures?
We have been over this. Everytime a new CC thread is made one of Santa's elves are shot. We are now dangerously close to having Christmas cancelled. Is that what you want? Do you want to take Christmas from the children? DO YOU?!?!
Stewie and Brian (NTB) will save Christmas.
Not trying to bust your chops, but some of us do want to talk about this...if that isn't your thing, just read something else. Because you and others may not want to talk about something, that doesn't mean many members around here have no interest.
I find the silence to be deafening. Brandon is well aware that by delaying, he makes recruiting more difficult. He also knows that this is his chance, or RichRod is his guy. I was solidly behind Rod until PSU...since then I have been on the fence. Perhaps the MSU game will be the game changer; I think not. I think the decision has already been made. Had Brandon been behind RichRod, there would have been some public affirmation of support, consistent with Brandon's waiting until the end of the season mantra. DB was very clear earlier this year that RichRod would be the coach this season (also telling words). Inaction often speaks as much as action.
I don't mind CC posts at all. But if it results in Santas little elves takin a .357 to the chest....
I realize this is intresting and definitely worth discussing. But there have been 124,482 threads about it and none of them offer anything new or insightful and repeat points that have been covered before. If you have something new, groundbreaking, or confirmed then share it. Until then please continue to discuss this with friends and family.
The "whining about people whining" is becoming a bit overbearing to say the least. I come to this site everyday looking for more insight, or speculation even on what others think might or could happen with our wolverines, and lately its just been people getting bitched at for starting a thread that involves a "CC".......we can't even say coaching change, its like Voldemort. Well, blame DB for that.
in August there was an infinte number of prediction threads over the upcoming season. After about the 2nd one there were unending gripes over how redundant these threads were and yet the gripers still continued to click the link and gripe the whole way through. Kind of reminds me of a scene in Family Guy where Peter sticks his finger in a pencil sharpener only to find out that it hurts, but instead of learning from it, he repeats the action, over and over. Truth be told, until we know something, speculation is all we have, and if it's all we have we're gonna use it.
FAIL. After Peter sharpens all his pencils down to nubs, he looks around and unzips. Nary a finger was harmed. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Totally agree with your take and position with respect to RR, PSU and further. I really don't think that DB is the least bit concerned with 2011 recruiting. As a former CEO, he's thinking strategic, not tactical. If JH is the guy, then he's willing to take a short term hit (recruiting) if he believes JH is a long term solution.
So like the OP said, why did you bother clicking on it? You also took the time to comment.
It's all speculation until January 2nd. There only seems to be a few possible outcomes; and I don't think we'll be able to gain any insight into Harbaugh or Brandon's thought process by reading into everything DB, RR, and JH say and do (or don't say or do).