He's Brady Hoke.
CC: A case for Hoke
Miles isn't coming.
There may be a case for Hoke.. But there's no way to make a case for him to be a top choice.
The Harbaugh saga is in the past... CC this: shut up.
Start making the case for the dozens of head coaches who are infinitely more qualified than Brady Hoke. Where is the case for Jeff Tedford? Dirk Koetter? Tom O'Brien? Mike Riley? Jim Grobe? Pat Hill? Gary Barnett?
Those guys haven't had easy jobs. The difference is they have actually been successful. The list is a lot longer than that and I'm sure we could get one of them to agree to take a bunch of money to come coach Denard at Michigan.
Brady Hoke is not an option.
brady hoke is definitely an option whether you like it or not. Personally I think he would do quite fine here and I'm pretty sure Miles is not coming.
Brady Hoke is a guy that uncreative message boards have decided is the default candidate as the result of his tenuous connection to the Michigan football program. If he is actually an option for our athletic director when the list of better candidates could potentially reach triple digits, then Dave Brandon is retarded.
I refuse to believe that he is until he proves otherwise.
He coached at Michigan from 1995-2002, and was promoted to Assistant Coach before he left. His position (D-Line) was a dominant group. His connections are more than tenuous.
He's also the default choice because he is publicly campaigning for the job. He's eager to please, and hungry. That means something to me (even if there are a few candidates I want more than him, including Miles).
If Kelly would have stayed put one more year, he could probably be at Michigan now.
Whatever the reason he was blackballed during the prior coaching search probably still exists today...
I will make the case for Tedford. He's done a good job at a meh place to coach, and Berkeley has similar institutional politics (well, even crazier politics).
We can even arrange a meeting between UM and Tedford at my discount tent at Kezar Stadium.
He was the offensive coordinator at Oregon when they had back to back top10 finishes. Before that he was the OC at Fresno State where David Carr and Trent Dilfer became top10 picks. He's 72-43 at Cal, 44-33 in the Pac 10 at a time when SC had the strongest program in the country and at a school with terrible recent history. He produces NFL running backs like clockwork. Has had four top25 finishes and won 5 bowl games. He is only 49 years old. He's making way less money than we could pay and is at an institution that has proven they don't value football with delays in stadium/facilities renovation.
You would have to be insane to hire Brady Hoke ahead of Jeff Tedford. That took me five minutes. Now somebody else come up with another legitimate candidate.
I actually e-mailed Martin and volunteered to arrange a meeting place during the last search, but I never heard back.
I would be happy with Hoke, but I also think that it would be better to reach out to stronger candidates, with Hoke as a safe pick in case we can't get a top notch coach. But I agree, I think people just hear Brady-Hoke-not-a-big-name-coach-yadda-yadda and automatically dismiss his credibility without looking into it further.
It's because us Meechigan folk don't like taking chances... but do big names always = winz?
Nobody is down on Hoke because he's "not a big name." They are down on him because he has done nothing whatsoever to justify being handed the keys to one of the top programs in college football.
But he really, really wants those keys! That's a qualifier, right?
I really, really want a blowjob, but that doesn't mean Dave Brandon should give me one.
After the embarrasment on thinking we had Harbaugh just to lose him to the pros and then the quick slaps in the face from PF and GP, and likelihood of the only reasonable head coaches we might get are Miles and Hoke, that is exactly why everyone (on this blog) is down on him. We want people to respect U of M football again and people on this blog believe we need a hot-named coach to accomplish that.
It took Hoke about 5 years as a FIRST TIME head coach to turn around a terrible football program, but he did. What marginally decent football talent in the state of Indiana gets super excited to go to Ball State? Even Indiana and Purdue are much more exciting options.
Since we hired RR, Hoke had been putting together 2 successful seasons. The only unsuccessful year he had was a transition period when he took another poor program out of the broom closet.
Hoke won't win much at Michigan the next 2 years because 1) he doesn't have any talent on this team-minus DR and MM- and 2) the 2012 schedule is hellish. But he's not a bad choice and after the highly publicized fiasco with RR, I wouldn't mind having a "quieter" option.
at this point is because it means Michigan couldn't get anyone else of note. That in itself is depressing enough.
Problem is DB should have looked into it earlier, but for now Miles has said he doesn't want to leave and he told his players that too. We should just not offer him and hire Hoke.
At this point, I won't mind Hoke; the problem is, we just threw away a 3 year, multi million dollar investment, to hire a coach with less credentials and experience. That's what bugs me.
+1 to you.
Fire your current coach to hire a downgrade, just doesn't feel or sound very good
Until he coaches a game as our head coach, who says it's a downgrade? Just cause he isn't a fancy name doesn't mean he isn't the better candidate/fit with our program.
Thank you. "Downgrade" is a stupid word to use to describe almost any coach that succeeds RR. Again, RR overall is not a bad coach. However, he was obviously not the right coach for Michigan. He could win OOC games against mediocre-to-bad teams, but got us killed in Big 10 play three years straight. In terms of being a Michigan coach, RR was the "downgrade", not his ultimate successor.
As far as coaching resume is concerned Hoke is a downgrade vs RR...
But at least Hoke understands the rivalry!
For some reason from what I've read on this board Hoke just isn't good enough based on the situation we're in. Can he be a great coach and turn around the program maybe maybe not. Either way its hard to choose between him and Miles....
sounds a little like rich rod, except he did it at a BCS school
But Hoke's a defensive guy. He also would have the overt backing of Carr and a lot of his players. He's not my dream candidate, but I think he could work out.
I felt that way about a chick once. Nearly had to chew my arm off the next morning to get away.
I don't disagree, I was just pointing it out. I don't think there is much evidence either way. He has a lot going for him if he is the guy for the job. Michigan Man, and probable lower expectations coming in.
Lloyd retired a few years back. He will always be apart of the Michigan family. The problem is that he's not running the Athletic Department. Obviously he's in DB's ear giving him advice, but I would hope that the sole reason for hiring the coach isn't because he would/wouldn't have Carr's overt backing.
Does this mean that being a 'Michigan Man' is the only way to be accepted as the head coach? I would think that's why some of these potential non 'Michigan Man' candidates are looking at this job and then running away from it once their name is brought up.
Indiana sent Lynch to Bolivia after the season.
.....I want Rich Rod.
I love how all the Hoke haters just rage about how he's not an option and comes from the MAC. Good reasoning and facts to support your opinion. I hope we do get Hoke now that I also have done a little researching into him.
Ever think perhaps that some people have done their research, and perhaps just disagree with you?
everyone who has been shooting Hoke down has been providing facts (losing record overall; despite what the OP is insinuating he took over a 6-6 program at Ball State and didn't match that for 4 years; never been a BCS level coach; has a "get off my damn lawn you kids" mindset about the spread offense). It's not that he sucks, it's that he's not good enough for this job at this moment in time when we need as close to a home run as we can get to save a program in a precarious position.
There really isn't much rebuttal, and throwing around comparisons to Bo freaking Schembechler don't really help with realistic expecations for him.
He's an adequate candidate. For this job, he should be Plan H after Plans A-G fall through.
You've done research? Don't worry about sharing it, I'm already sold!
If BD wanted Hoke, he'd be here by now. The only thing Brady Hoke is, well, you know the saying, "If all else fails".
If Brady Hoke had been a really good and clear choice, he'd have been announced yesterday.
The "case for Hoke" is that he might be the guy we're stuck with in the wake of the disastrous and ill-advised firing of Rich Rodriguez.
Re: "BD". You meant "DB", yes? Is it text-speak to refer to everybody by initials? Is it a Twitter thing? Because I might trust "BD" with our coaching future right now:
Well good luck with Hoke, cuz he doesn't like the spread offense and you can kiss Denard goodbye and it'll be another 2-3 years of rebuilding the offense ON TOP of rebuilding the defense. If Hoke can't win 7 games next year (which I don't think he will if he completely changes the offense's style), then it's gonna be the same shit as RR; losing record, tons of negative recruiting ammo for our rivals, loss of practices, etc). I just think we're fucked for 2 years with Hoke; maybe he'll turn it around, but at least with Miles we should make a bowl game next year and gain some momentum recruiting wise, practices, and continued rebuilding and developement of the defense.
...a closet grass eater.
Hoke's actually run a variety of offenses (including a spread) in his coaching tenure. I don't think it's very appropriate to speak of players transferring. We can let Denard figure out what he wants to do.
Gruden! Gruden! Gruden!
A boy can dream, cant he?
Watch their bowl game against Navy. You can say "Oh it's just Navy!" but he's playing a team who in recent years have been a lot better than his team. The main argument that Hoke is winning on a lower level is weak, because he is coaching with talent similar to his opponents. If you look at their schedule they lost to Mizzou (10-3) by 3, Brigham Young (7-6) by 3, TCU (13-0) by 5 and Utah(10-3) by 4. Those 4 teams went a combined 40-12.
At Duke. He called plays for Peyton and Eli Manning, won a national title as the offensive coordinator at Tennessee, then went 44-29 at typical SEC doormat Mississippi.
There is another guy who has proven to be an excellent head coach and had elite level success as a coordinator. He is a far better choice than Brady Hoke. Let's add him to the long list of guys we can bring up other than Hoke.
I'm not 100% on this but I think coach Cut is getting on in years, and has had some health issues in the past. But I do agree that he has am excellent track record. Fulmer's UT teams went downhill fast after he left.
If you're saying the main argument is that he wins on a lower level, then listing games he lost doesn't really help. Also, they were down by 10 in the BYU game with 7 min to go, and down by 19 in the TCU game with 7 min to go. Those weren't quite as close as they seem.
Again, if people are being honest, it's not that Hoke is a bad coach, or that SDSU wasn't pretty decent this year.
It's that we ought to be setting our sights higher than a guy who's had decent success.
He's been there only two season...he could probably win the WAC next year if he doesn't come here.
and with a spate of defections in 2011, Brady Hoke, if he's hired here, will have to win with talent inferior to the rest ot the Big Ten.
Then Tressel might be showing him a newer version of the Hoke-y Pokey every season...
The longer this drama drags out, the worse Hoke's odds become. DB knows there's a huge time-element here. And he knows he's testing patience and raising stakes. He's basically setting himself up. Presumably, he thinks the delay is worth it. And what would make it worth it? A pay-off hire. Otherwise, he's telling us "Ladies and gentlemen...Brady Hoke!"
Wouldn't make DB look good. Or Hoke, for that matter. Hoke would be more palatable if sold early and hard. Not late in the game. After everyone else seems to have passed. Plus, DB knows a name coach won't need a ton of time to win back recruits. But Hoke would. So he'd be putting Hoke in a really bad spot.
It could turn out like Chizik! All it takes is a perfect storm of genius coordinators and heisman/all american players. Lightning could strike twice, and we're Michigan, so we're awesome and it'll happen here...!!!!
First Corona cracked, I'm feeling better already after having taken clumps of my hair out hourly. To say this is consuming me would be an understatement. I have a great wife, three beautiful kids, live in San Diego, but without a coach I am empty. I have some issues to deal with!
It will take way more than a case.
A case to start and I will go from there.
I'm drunk,...gonna finish watching the seahawks hopefully upset the AInt's ... logging on later,...hoping for something better....
The only coach who can succeed here is the coach with the most support. It can be anyone. Shoot, I still believe Bo coached the team when he was still alive with coach Carr.
Case against Hoke? His name would not even be on our radar if he had no connection to the University. That should be the end of the discussion.
are right my friend.We could have just kept Rich Rod!!!
People saying Hoke hasn't done enough is an idiot. He turned teams that completely sucked to winners. Les Miles's first HC job went like this at OK State:
4-7 , 8-5, 9-4, 7-5
Three seasons before they went 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8. He turned them around to at least over .500 teams, but who would have thought at LSU that he would kick ass? Probably not LSU fans.
Brady Hoke really wants this job, if he gets it I know he will put his life into it.
Guys, I'm pretty sure Hoke is coming. They already printed up the student section shirts for next year:
For some reason, this is the weirdest picture I've ever seen on this site. And that's saying a lot...
His biggest crime is a lack of charisma, apparently. Doesn't have a sexy name or appearance, so people write him off. I'm not sold on the guy but wouldn't have a problem with him.
And frankly you can't just look at someone's resume to make a decision. All we know about the guy is his resume and how he's perceived in general. Spend some time with him, see how he relates to his players and staff, listen to his ideas on how to run things -- this is what matters, more than anything we have been exposed to, when it comes to a hiring decision.
we have to settle for Brady Hoke we will be in bad shape,we could have just kept Rich Rod.GO BLUE!!!