Mike Lantry, 1972
CC - Brandon's Delayed Decision and Forced D Staff Change Leverage
This will not end well
Okay, sorry for posting. This is why I rarely post. Apparently this was worse than: "Darius Morris=Butterfly" and "Are Players allowed to cheer/chant." At least I have a sense of humor! Let's see if I can get down to zero points in a single day! Thank you all for your support.
A reasonable post with a theory and some analysis and some thoughts. Ignore the CC abusers and keep on the track you are on, you will do fine here.
that's why they end.
Otherwise, Brendan Morrison (and a few others) would like a word with you.
Every damn CC post has some variation of "this will not end well" as its first reply. The veal pen needs new material.
It will if it ends with this-will-not-end-well posts being permanently banned.
this is the kind of asshole who says "this will not end well" to appease the lowest rung, that i cannot stand, and really wish brian would somehow put a stop to it.
but i digress, regarding the OP... rodriguez doesnt have the leverage nor would he do that. he wants to coach here. i believe the decision to harbaugh was done after the MSU game, on a handshake, but if not, here is a novel idea... it'll take harbaugh a few years to get his type of player, and wouldnt it be interesting if rodriguez were to stay on as OC for one year only, as a michigan man he wants to be, to run the O with those players, while harbaugh recruits for the future. this wouldnt be a bad gig for RR b/c he would get to see his players through, and would position himself to get a top head coaching job next year, and he then would have saved face somewhat on both ends. Otherwise the word is he'll need to go somewhere as a OC this year, so why not here.
This is a novel idea would probably work well for next year. However, it is a little short sided and it seems like Harbaugh would want to start teaching his offense right away, much like RichRod did when he came here.
In the long run I think that it would be better for Harbaugh to start teaching his system and plays even with the players Michigan has now.
And this is all hypothetical of course.
Has it ever happened before where a "fired" coach lingers for coodinators position? I doubt it. Too much pride on the line. It would be like a President stepping down to be Vice President. Could you imagine John McCain as a VP candidate on a ticket with Sarah Palin in 2012. He wouldn't do it (even if he was younger). RR is under contract for three more years. He doesn't need to be a coordinator.
Besides, while RR was an innovator of this offense, there are now hundreds of guys who can run it. JH would be able to pick someone up if he chooses to follow this trend.
Sorry about lack of paragraphs. Typed on Blackberry and there were spaces in there when I clicked save.
I imagine she's a pretty nice girl, someday i'm gonna maker her mine.
many of the best potential replacements for the current D staff will be gone by then. Have seen what has been going on in the college football coaching ranks lately?
I am not saying this isn't the reason (heavens knows I have no idea what it is), but if it is the idea, I think it could backfire.
I forsee Michigan having one of the top 5 highest paid DC's in the country next season.
pray that you are right. Honestly, I hope that is the case and would love if it was Randy Shannon.
Agreed. I am a big fan of Randy Shannon for some reason.
That reason being, he is not Greg Robinson.
is the primary reason why i'm advocating for my pet ferret to be the next DC at Michigan.
I'll take the ferret. It's got to be better than the stuffed beaver.
The reason being, he consistently put together killer defenses at Miami.
and what would make a top 5 paid DC, however, I do think they'll open the check book. I wouldn't be surprised to see the pay top 800k.
Isnt DB making all these upgrades here at UM? The new jumbo HD scoreboards, the Big Chill, permanent lights, etc. He knows that Michigan needs an upgrade at DC, so If he is spending big bucks on those other things, why not pull out the check book for a quality DC.I fully expect to see a high profile guy come in, like a Randy Shannon,(god I hope it is him) and will definitley be well compensated.
Not sure I am holding out all hope on that one.
There have been alot of coaches moving around, but they are available candidates. There always be candidates. We may have to pay more or give them extra incentives to pry them lose from their current jobs. IMHO, waiting limits our options
IMHO, I think this seems like possible reason for DB to wait. Problem is that if RR doesn't agree to these changes, I am not sure DB has any leverage. Would DB fire him and the staff, who would he get. The options would be more limited.
for the nuke....
I think a 1 Negaton bomb will do for now.
April, come she will.
May, she will stay.
June, she'll change her tune.
July, she will fly.
August, die she must.
September, I remember.
How are you in college and know a relatively obscure S & G song?
Great music is great music in any era.
Also, grad student...
It is a good point that you have raised here. I'm not saying it hasn't been brought up before, but it is the first time I have read a post like this. Either way, I still believe (as does just about everyone) that DB is making a huge mistake by not announcing anything. He is hurting the program more than helping it.
There are 1.5 million reasons to wait until January.
That's not thinking at the margin. Dave Brandon has a pretty good business resume, so I imagine he understands economics. I doubt that one, five, or even a thousand dollars really matter to him in this decision. It's possible that he cares about each and every one of those dollars, but extremely unlikely because that's a poor economic decision procedure. Just sayin'.
I guess you would know best with your 1.5 years of real world experience class of 2009.
I grew up in my parents' small businesses, so the last year-and-a-half are the first ones I've spent not in the real world. Working for somebody else? Taking home a paycheck? Having health insurance with dental and vision? Shit, that's the easy (albeit boring) life.
I see Fred Jackson has been spending his free time making posters.
If Dave Brandon is to be believed (and I am not saying he shouldn't) he hasn't even started evaluating RR yet. Therefore, JH does not have a deal made in secret, RR does not secretly know he is coming back and there is no deal on the table for a new defensive staff to swoop in after the bowl game.
There are a lot of people who say DB is a man of integrity and that is why he is sticking to this timeline, because of his integrity. If that is true, the only way he has integrity is if those things listed above are the case.
If it turns out that come January 4th or 5th we have a) a new coach or b) a new defensive staff I will have to assume that this timeline was nothing more than a smoke screen and DB doesn't have nearly the integrity many here want to believe he does.
For me, there is not nearly enough evidence one way or the other on DB to decide where I stand. After all this I will have something to go on.
My thoughts exactly.
I have a really hard time believing that DB is doing nothing right now. If that is in fact the case, and he decides after Jan 1 that "hey, this just isn't working...let's make a change"... well, it seems disastrously late to do such a thing. And if Harbaugh (or any other coach, for that matter) is in place 3 or 4 days later, I will not believe for one minute that there was not, at the very least, some vetting of the new coach prior to January.
But as you say, the lack of evidence here really makes it difficult to form a solid opinion.
Couldn't disagree more.
If RR is fired and a new coach announced on January 4 I will attribute that to DB's dillegence.
As a prudent AD of a floundering program, he doesn't need to wait until the decision regarding RR is made before he checks out the available coaching pool. Any AD presiding over a program in distress should always have at least an idea of available and up-and-coming coaching talent. Not having a plan B at all represents a complete lack of preparation.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying start interviewing people right now and then lie and tell RR no decision has been made yet. There should be none - nor do I believe there are - contracts already signed nor negotiations underway. But doing research to find out about the pool of talent -- that's just doing your homework and being well prepared.
Remeber, DB's responsibility is ultimately to the University of Michigan, not to RR. By waiting until the day after you have fired RR to begin considering who else is available, being completely unprepared and left flat-footed for your coaching search, well.. I guess you could call that pulling a Martin. Companies don't always publicize their contingency plans when considering various scenarios, and it's a bit presumptious to assume that were an informed decision to be made quickly that it was due to some subversive behavior.
The point was DB himself has said numerous times that he is waiting until AFTER the bowl game to evaluate RR. I am not the one advocating that this is a sound strategy, DB is.
Also, nowhere did I say that he isn't doing research, where did you see that in my post? What I said is if a new coach is hired by the 4th or 5th of January I am calling BS on this whole timeline thing he laid out for all the world to see.
If you think he can evaluate a coach (not just the on field stuff but the program at large) and come to an agreement on a contract with a new coach in 4 days you are dillusional. If you have ever taken part in contract negotiations you will know exactly what I mean.
My post was not intended to be a post about reality. It was addressing the fact that DB has said countless times that the evaluation will not take place until AFTER the bowl game. That means it hasn't happened yet and no coaching search has transpired because you don't do a search when you don't have a vacancy.
I also mentioned that most people here harp on about DB's integrity and my post was saying that if he has as much integrity as people here give him credit for, nothing at all has transpired at this point, nor will it until after the bowl game.
My last point was that I don't have nearly enough evidence in regard to DB to say whether I believe any of this, but if he is to be believed, nothing has happened yet.
If you disagree with me, that's fine. What you are saying, however, is that you don't believe DB, not that what I am saying is wrong because what I stated in my post are facts that came directly from DB.
If you think he can evaluate a coach (not just the on field stuff but the program at large) and come to an agreement on a contract with a new coach in 4 days you are dillusional.
I apologize for injecting myself into this argument, but I don't really see much disagreement here. I think it's really just splitting hairs. An evaluation is a process, yes, but the actual formal meeting when an employer gives an employee his/her evaluation can come on a specific date and take place very quickly. The data that is used for that evaluation may be gathered over a long period of time in advance, but the formal eval itself doesn't have to take long.
As for contract negotiations, that's not my bailiwick, but I really don't think it's an insurmountable hurdle for UofM to make an offer, for JH to agree in principal, and to allow his agent to work out the details after an announcement. It would be in JH's best interest to start work as quickly as possible.
Again, none of this is to actually say I think JH is coming, but just to point out that things can happen very quickly and DB can still be a man of his word.
Thank you dude. Thank you.