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cc: Brady Hoke - opinions?
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:59 AM | 
I see what you're getting at
I see what you're getting at
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:30 AM |
Well, but...
Well, but...
Randy Edsall and the other UCONN coaches didn't have the benefit of film on Denard 2.0, (they would have probably been better served had they watched film of RR coaching Pat White). Later "good teams" pretty well found a way to at least slow Denard, and make him less effective.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 12:53 AM |
Hoke
Hoke
In all honesty, I think the biggest reason this board widely feels that Hoke = DOOM is because Brian said so.
Hoke has a better resume then Moeller or Carr did when they got the job. His trajectory at the jobs he's had is very similar to those of Harbaugh and Rodriguez. Take over a down trodden team, struggle for a year and then start to make serious progress towards upper echelon conference finishes / titles. Hoke has done it twice at FBS schools where Harbaugh and Rodriguez have done it once, but also have success at lower level schools. The thing separating Harbaugh / Rodriguez and Hoke is that the former have done it in a BCS conference.
Are there other "big names" out there that would be better than Hoke? Probably, but to write him off as a ridiculous possibility doesn't really make any sense to me.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:24 AM |
Small nitpick
Small nitpick
It took five seasons for Hoke to field a winning team at Ball State (7-6). No doubt SDSU had a nice 2010 season, though.
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- Jack Handey
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 AM |
Hmm
Hmm
I hard he went 11-2 at bsu.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
Huh?
Huh?
In Hoke's sixth (and final) season, Ball State went 12-1 under his direction, winning 12 straight before losing to Buffalo in the MAC Championship Game. He then left for SDSU before BSU's bowl game (which they lost).
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- Jack Handey
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:26 AM |
No
No
His actual record is why he shouldn't be a viable candidate. Yet.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 AM |
Hmm
Hmm
He takes over shitty teams and he's supposed to win his first year? Cfb is all what have you done for me lately. Hoke improves terrible teams.
RR has arguably made michigan worse since he came here. The team is getting butt-hurt against any decent team in 3 years. People around here were debating if the mnc's were going to start this year or next.
I've supported rr until yesterday, saying all he would need is a non-first year starting qb and a new dc, but nobody seems to be progressing.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 12:57 AM |
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I have a Fandom Endurance III merit badge
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:57 AM |
Not a Clue
Not a Clue
He would not have a clue on how to use our current roster. The next three years would make the last three seem like a stroll through Disney World.
"Gentlemen, This is Michigan," Glenn E. "Bo" Schembechler
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:11 AM |
Interesting...
Interesting...
He wouldn't know how to use a successful offensive line with four returning starters? He wouldn't know how to use two quarterbacks with a year of starting experience or another who was considered the top QB in his high school class? He wouldn't know how to use four receivers (two of the slot and two of the outside variety) with multiple years of experience? Maybe you were saying that he won't be able to match the defensive output of the last three years?
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:23 AM |
Very Clear
Very Clear
To be very clear and plain, he would have no clue how to use Denard or any of the myriad offensive weapons that we have acquired and trained for the past three years to run the spread offense. It is agreed by all that the defense is a rebuild at this point. With Hoke, the offense would be as well as it is retooled to run schemes that Hoke comrehends.
At least with Harbaugh, I believe he would be able to use the weapons available to him on offense in a coherent manner.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:29 AM |
After watching our offense the last 4 games
After watching our offense the last 4 games
I'm not sure our current staff knows how to use them.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:53 AM |
Spot on ... 14 points. Please
Spot on ... 14 points. Please
Even if we played D, 14 points will not cut it. Whenever, we ran into a good D the Offense disappeared. Case closed.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:09 PM |
Should have been 21, probably 28
Should have been 21, probably 28
Roy Roundtree singlehandedly made sure it was only 14 points by dropping two of the most insanely easy passes I have ever seen. Not that it would have changed the game's outcome, but still, just sayin'.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 AM |
Hmm
Hmm
Are you an expert on hoke and his capabilities? I haven't seen him coach or more importantly talked to him about offensive philosophy. Its god to have someone oin here who knows him so well.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:33 AM |
I think he would
I think he would
SDSU was a spread team before Hoke took over including their 2008 season. Y1 with Hoke was 4-8 with shitty players left over from Chuck Long. Y2 was this year's 8-4 making Hoke 13-12 (including bowl game) with a former spread offense. I think he could do the same or better with higher caliber athletes.
Being a good head coach is more about getting the players and personnel in place to win than x's and o's imho. X's aand O's are the coordinator and position guys. This is why I think of RR as a great OC and a head-coach-in-training. Shafer has gotten it done before and after AA. GERG was fail before and has certainly been fail at AA.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:46 AM |
No Offense
No Offense
No offense, but I am not looking to 4-8 for next season. That would be unacceptable. I would rather proceed with RR, and a new defensive coordinator who is allowed to bring in his own position coaches.
"Gentlemen, This is Michigan," Glenn E. "Bo" Schembechler
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 AM |
Me neither
Me neither
I don't think anybody goes 4-8 with the athletes we have (or may have). That was the point of my post. I don't think just because we change systems we go back to that again. Hoke transitioning SDSU from the spread shows that he has experience doing just that and it wouldn't be 4-8 again.
I think with a good coach not named RR we go 6-6 or 7-5 with the kids we have now...assuming the DC doesn't have a flowing maine of perfect hair.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 AM |
Over His Head
Over His Head
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think 4-8 is probably a good estimate of what you would get out of him if he tried to transform this team next year to his system. In other words, disaster. He would have better talent at his disposal, but would be up against much more severe competition that he is used to at SDSU or Ball St.
"Gentlemen, This is Michigan," Glenn E. "Bo" Schembechler
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 AM |
Coach Rodriguez, is that
Coach Rodriguez, is that
Coach Rodriguez, is that you? Man, no wonder your teams underperform - you spend way too much time posting here.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:08 AM |
First of all, Tom Brady,
First of all, Tom Brady,
First of all, Tom Brady, despite my man crush on him, was not all that in HS. IIRC, he wasn't exactly a prized recruit.
Gene Chizik was also on the Auburn staff that went undefeated and got hosed out of a chance to play for the NC. He also co-DCed (along with GERG I believe?) the 2005 Texas sqaud. Despite his failures at ISU (it's ISU for crissakes, how they're in a BCS conference I don't know) he had a damn fine resume. As for the whole Cam Newton ordeal, you still have to get out there every gameday and execute. All the money in the world can't make you do that.
That said, I'm hesitant to give Hoke the job. I don't know enough about him or his offensive schemes but I'd rather give RR and Denard with another year under the belt a shot before him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:41 AM |
Brady was something like the
Brady was something like the
Brady was something like the #10 pro-style QB in the country in one of the rankings. He probably would have been a four-star recruit in today's system.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:53 PM |
link or am I supposed to take
link or am I supposed to take
link or am I supposed to take that at face?
January 3rd, 2011 at 4:45 AM |
You're supposed to just know
You're supposed to just know
You're supposed to just know that Brady was the equivalent of a four star back then.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:10 AM |
He left his alma mater, a
He left his alma mater, a
He left his alma mater, a place where he was successful and loved. He gave that up to be a part of something bigger. RRod is a Michigan Man.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:38 AM |
A Michigan Man
A Michigan Man
would take responsibility for his errors and deficiencies. RR has not ever, not once, done that. There are problems with execution. There are problems with the defense. There are oh so many problems that have nothing to do with he or his vaunted offensive staff.
I am sick of it.
I think the reason Brandon says Beilein is a stand up guy, is that Beilien is a stand up guy. He takes responsibility when it's necessary. He's innovative, but responsible. He understands offense and defense. Granted, easier in basketball than football.
Rodriguez is the opposite. He accepts no personal responsibility. He's a decent coach. He's a great offensive coordinator. Of all the football teams in America, we are maybe the last program that can afford an offensive coordinator as its head coach.
A head coach, must and will be, more than gap blocking assignments on the o line. It's about the team. The Team. THE TEAM.
Where does the THE TEAM include the coach blaming players every tough game about the lack of execution? Maybe a couple times. Maybe a game or two. Its every stinkin' game we lose.
Good luck at Clemson. I wish you well.
I look forward to the Fighting Harbaughs next year.
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:15 AM |
Players seem to love him and
Players seem to love him and
Players seem to love him and respect him. Do you know some gushy details about RR that the rest of us don't know? Does he eat aborted fetuses for dinner? Does he tell his players that if they don't perform "he'll send them back to the ghetto to get shot like their homies"?
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:43 AM |
Well, some players love and
Well, some players love and
Well, some players love and respect him. Many of the others transfer.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 AM |
I would not reduce it to
I would not reduce it to
I would not reduce it to "some". A handful of transfers out of 85 scholarship players does not mean only some love him.
Those who stay will be champions!
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:32 PM |
I have no doubts
I have no doubts
about RR's sincerity to his players or their appreciation for him. Look, every team loves its coach, and vice versa. But look at the rest of the job. This is a CEO position for all intents and purposes. How did he handle the media, how did he handle the alumni, how did he handle the football bust, did he take responsibility for the team's failures?
People like to rag on Lloyd 3 years ago. Fact is, that Lloyd Carr was a great coach. He is ready to retire, and didn't have the energy to go balls out for the last couple ,years. Yet, in 06 we almost played for his second shot at a national championship.
I'm not saying that the new coach has to be a Carr Clone. But, Rodriguez was a "splash" hire who turned out incapable of managing a bigtime program. It's that simple, really.
It doesn't matter that, as a person, I think he's genuine, or that I like him. What matters is that he hasn't done his job. Before this year, and before the Ohio State game, I was ready to give him another year, with a new coordinator, and see what he could do. Bring in Shannon, or Casteel, and let him have a last hurrah. It's now beyond that. The offense scored 14 points yesterday, and was throttled by OSU and Wisc.
I'm sick of setting bad records with this coach, and I'm sure that Brandon and Mary Sue are, too.
When did your mother let you out of the basement Mr. Rosenberg?
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:37 PM |
It's kind of hard to handle
It's kind of hard to handle
It's kind of hard to handle the media and alumni when they're against you from the beginning. Carr was not a good coach. Good coaches don't lose at home to App St as the #5 team at home. Good coaches adjust after getting their asses handed to them by Syracuse and Oregon (not in 2007). Good coaches don't lose as many bowl games as Carr did. Good coaches don't lose to OSU as often as he did. Good coaches make changes. Stop living off 1997. If he really didn't have the energy to go balls out for the last two years then he should have retired right then and there. He did a great disservice to the program if he wasn't giving it his all.
Frustrating? I don’t know if that’s the correct word. We just come to work. I mean, one thing I’m proud of the players and the staff is we have not cheated the University of Michigan a day of work, and I wouldn’t allow it and I wouldn’t let our staff allow it, wouldn’t let our players allow it and never have in my entire coaching career. And we’re paid to do a job, and we did it as hard and as well as we could with some obstacles, but everybody is going to have obstacles.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:29 AM |
This whole Michigan Man thing
This whole Michigan Man thing
This whole Michigan Man thing is getting to be a destructive crock of shit. The message is being sent out loud and clear that you can't come here and be successful if you are not already somehow "from here". This is not what the University of Michigan is about and it should be stopped before it goes any further. It already has damaged the program under the current coach and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:31 AM |
If there is any change
If there is any change
I'd love to see Loeffler make his way back. That would be awesome on its own, regardless of how I feel about CC.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:35 AM |
Yes!
Yes!
If we dump the spread and go back, I hope he's brought back quickly.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:45 AM |
What is Loeffler's status at Florida?
What is Loeffler's status at Florida?
I was thinking about this the other day, will Loeffler be retained at Florida? Probably not if Weis is hired, I would guess, so he should be available.
Edit: @Steve in PA: Loeffler has been coaching in a spread offense for the past two years at Florida.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:00 AM |
It's different
It's different
Florida has a different flavor of spread than ours. Guess I should have been more clear on that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:43 AM |
He wouldn't be option A or B,
He wouldn't be option A or B,
He wouldn't be option A or B, but annybody who had a hand in that '97 defense is alright with me.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:02 AM |
to those who love and want RichRod back
to those who love and want RichRod back
Can you tell me why?
Have you not watched the defense and special teams?
That said, I'd rather have RichRod than Brady Hoke.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:12 AM |
We're close to something
We're close to something
We're close to something really good I think. People still forget, Denard was a first year starter. Yes our offense stalled at times but it also looked damn good at times. I'm not ready to blow this thing up yet. The defense has the pieces to be good and the players love him. These are guys that spend all day, everyday with him. I'm willing to take that into consideration before I listen to some old fart on a message board bitch and moan about how he's not a Michigan man (not saying you are, just in general).
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 AM |
I agree that the offense, while young, shows signs...
I agree that the offense, while young, shows signs...
But the defense scares me. I'm a 33 year old Michigan fan, I was born and raised on defense first, and I must admit, I arrogantly thought that when RichRod came, the defense would stay the same, but the offense would change... It all changed, and while for the good on offense, the defense just shows me no signs of being a Michigan defense. I like Martin, Demens, and Roh, but I don't see much else that gets me excited. The secondary, while young, never showed any improvement, not even a glimpse. As long as Ray Vinopal and Jordan Kovacs start, this won't be a Michigan defense. It won't be good enough for the Big Ten. Today, they looked lost out there, and that scares me, cause this should have been the game, four weeks to prepare, your defensive and head coaches jobs are on the line, and you look --- lost, confused, and out of postion... I can't take that, I'm sorry. Like I said, like I am sure so many other people, I thought RichRod taking over, the offense would change, and I think we all know the conditioning would change, but never in my wildest dreams would I ever think that a Michigan defense could be ranked dead last in the Big Ten, not to mention amongst the worse in the nation. I see defensive bodies, but not a couple of five star blue chippers, which is what this defense needs, along with so much more ... and wow, I didn't even bring up the special teams, but, well... I don't know. I hate being negative, but I hate losing more. All the offensive signs, by the way, that this offense has shown glimpses of, we're against weak competition... Sad to say, against top tier teams, this offense didn't show much of anything. We have to admit this isn't working.
It sucks to say it, but... We need to move on.
January 2nd, 2011 at 4:19 AM |
Agree the defense and special
Agree the defense and special
Agree the defense and special teams are a total nightmare and one that we've all unfortunately had to live through. That said after watching the Rose Bowl tonight, I don't think we need 5 star recruits to have a Michigan defense again. Sure it would help, but TCU shut down Wisconsin with a bevy of 2 and 3* guys. This gives me hope that with a good d-coordinator that a true-freshman like Ray Vinopal could develop into a Tank Carder. I realize it will take a miracle, but it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility and that gives me at least an optimistic glint of hope.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:48 AM |
We're close to something
We're close to something
We're close to something really good I think.
Did you watch today's game? Keep in mind that we had a month to prepare for it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM |
This
This
1000x this.
Offense cannot play against a good defense.
Special teams are a debacle, not just kicking.
Defense if the worst in program history
Wasting away in Ohio, a Wolverine in a sea of red and grey
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:55 PM |
Keep in mind dropped passes,
Keep in mind dropped passes,
Keep in mind dropped passes, a true sophmore QB and the lack of a viable run game outside of Denard.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 AM |
I do not want Hoke......
I do not want Hoke......
........as our HC. If he is named the coach, then fine, I will support him. But I believe even without JH that there are many better coaches out there that UM could have.
January 2nd, 2011 at 2:34 AM |
Trust DB
Trust DB
I understand everybody has different opinions on Hoke, but we need to trust DB. I'll support whatever he decides because he wants to win worse than we do. As painful as today was, it was worse for him, I'm sure. I wouldnt want to be the AD right now.
January 2nd, 2011 at 3:28 AM |
You could call Gruden, but he
You could call Gruden, but he
You could call Gruden, but he wouldn't take the job. Hoke would. Fans underestimate just how difficult it is to get a coach to leave what he's doing and move hundreds of miles away to Ann Arbor. A guy like Harbaugh coming is like winning the lottery - most schools couldn't dream of landing a coach of his caliber.
Hoke is well thought-of in Michigan circles. He produced some excellent D-linemen. If he hadn't left for Ball State, he'd have probably become our DC after Herrmann left. As it was, he turned around BSU - it took a little longer than we may have liked, but he did it. And he seems to be turning SDSU into a quality program as well. Yeah, he wouldn't be a candidate if he hadn't coached here, but that's the point - he has worked here, so he's familiar with the school, the program, and its challenges and strengths. He knows what fans/alumni expect. He wouldn't be caught off-guard by things like the #1 jersey. Does this mean we should hire him now? Well . . . I would probably still say no, because I'd like to see where he can take SDSU, but sometimes you don't have the luxury of waiting. There are rumblings that the braintrust really likes him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 4:05 AM |
Yes, Yes, and Yes, except JH
Yes, Yes, and Yes, except JH
Yes, Yes, and Yes, except JH may still say No. That's the whole point of this thread.
"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire." Dhani Jones
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 AM |
This whole #1 jersey thing,
This whole #1 jersey thing,
This whole #1 jersey thing, for starters, is a self-serving bunch of crap put out by this drunk SUV-driving, pass-dropping, taunting, can't-play-in-cleveland, "I'm on the committee to fire RR" moron on the Jets. Forget it. No one made that big a deal out of it before him. It is the freaking Anthony Carter jersey.
For those of you who don't recall Braylon Edwards asked for the AC #1 jersey early in his career at Michigan only to be told NO by LC. He did eventually get it later on but only after shamelessly pleading.
Can we please stop with this nonsense?
I see what you're getting at with the way his team is playing tonight, but I can't get past the image of his team getting pasted in the Big House a few months ago.
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."