the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
CC: Adam Schefter on Countdown: Harbaugh to Michigan
thing about this whole CC, timeline thing. Nobody even knows if DB has even started his evaluation yet. Let alone what his decision is.
"Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"
Ohlmeyer seems to like Adam Schefter, per this ESPN-Ombudsman column:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=ohlmeyer_don&id=5220492
At the same time, Ohlmeyer decried the rampant use of anonymous sources.
So how about this:
Dear Mr. Ohlmeyer,
In May of this year, you cautioned ESPN readers/viewers and, presumably, the ESPN staff about anonymous sources. You seemingly went out of your way to laud the work of Adam Schefter.
Now, Schefter has relied on anonymous sources to report that Jim Harbaugh may be headed to Michigan to replace Ridh Rodriguez. Schefter didn't identify the sources by any other description, such as the general position of the individual. Schefter didn't say why his sources might need anonymity. Those are the two hallmarks -- along with approval by a higher-ranking editor -- of normal journalistic rules for anonymous sources.
So did Schefter follow any of those guidelines?
Sincerely,
"Sent."
Dear Section 1,
Attached is the email we received on December 26th, 2010. I feel that you should be aware that some asshole is signing your name to stupid emails.
Very Truly Yours,
ESPN
Don Ohlmeyer,
Ombudsman
I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
You realize that the Harbaugh remark was tangent to what he was reporting right? He wouldn't have even said anything if someone didn't drag Harbaugh into the discussion.
Go Blue!
Ridh is a very unique first name.
to this thread

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Make it stop.
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What someone says, I am an AS fan but at this point I just want the bowl game to get here, go down and enjoy a Michigan victory and then sit back and watch what happens with our coaching staff. With or without speculation from sources I think we are still a good 10 days away from "knowing" anything.
are as bad as the shots directed at Rodriguez. Will we ever mature as a fan base ?
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Earlier in this thread, you posted that you thought that Schefter was just making an assumption based on previous news reports and rumors.
That's a personal shot at Schefter.
Schefter reported that he got his information from "sources," not reading the newspaper or from his own speculation So you must think that he's: (1) lying; and (2) being a crappy reporter by repackaging assumptions as fact.
can we all remember that whatever our view on the coaching situation, or for that matter the defense, or Tate's future, the vast majority of posters here, love Michigan. Just because you disagree with a view posted, it doesn't help to post an ad hominem response.
Isn't it funy though how the AD from Stanford says JH getting ready to sign an extension any time and now Harbaugh says he must have gotten his facts wrong? That should say something right there.
cheat, cheat, and cheat some more, and when you get caught, do the right thing, lie!
Jebus, I'm getting negged bomb for asking for a source. WTF is going on today. We've had a great month with recruits. Just say'in! Things aren't that bad, are they?
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Newsflash, if we don't win Rose Bowl '13 we will have little choice but to lay the blame on Kate Upton. That is all!
Again: Adam Schefter is not some clown talking-head. He's a respected reporter with a reputation for accuracy and great sourcing. That's why what he says is relevant. Stop broad-brushing everyone in the media.
Liking Schefter on this one.
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When we all fight...and the day after Christmas, no less. Also, nobody has pinned me yet, so it's still Festivus. Wait, is this the airing of grievances? If so, I got a lot of problems with you people!
"Blame no one. Expect nothing. Do something. That is attitude." -Bo
Jim Harbaugh may or may not be coming to michigan, and Rich Rodriguez may or may not be fired?
I don't think anyone is predicting that Rich Rodriguez won't be fired and Jim Harbuagh will come in.
Go Blue!
I totally agree you have put it in a nut shell, JH is coming or not, RR is staying or not. I am amazed at what is supposed to be a discussion turns into bashing each other, we are suppose to unite as U of M fans, we may disagree on our opinions but all this hating on each other makes us look bad.
Alright my name is Rudy but I hate Notre Dame
Since we are mentioning what MSM are saying about JH. Peter King on NBC's football night said he talked to JH about Luck and there is a chance Luck stays for another year. I caught it while having dinner and there was alot of talking, so hopefully someone can confirm as well.
Luck may stay another year because he is very concerned with academics
Edit: Couldn't find where I originally read it, but this is close:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=514...
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the level of willful ignorance demonstrated tonight on MGoBlog, on the proper use of "anonymous sources" is really staggering to me. If someone wants to say, "Schefter's been right in the past; I wouldn't bet against him," I'd say, that's not my point. He might be right. He might be wrong, as so many others have in the recent past.
If someone wants to alternatively say, "This is sports! It ain't national security, or a federal prosceution!" I'd also say, fine; if you think Schefter occupies a position of sub-journalistic infotainment, I might agree.
But for the people who accused me of not knowing how source-anonymity is supposed to work, well, here's the New York Times to help you out:
Principles for Granting Anonymity
The use of unidentified sources is reserved for situations in which the newspaper could not otherwise print information it considers reliable and newsworthy. When we use such sources, we accept an obligation not only to convince a reader of their reliability but also to convey what we can learn of their motivation – as much as we can supply to let a reader know whether the sources have a clear point of view on the issue under discussion.
In routine interviewing – that is, most of the interviewing we do – anonymity must not be automatic or an assumed condition. In that kind of reporting, anonymity should not be offered to a source. Exceptions will occur in the reporting of highly sensitive stories, when it is we who have sought out a source who may face legal jeopardy or loss of livelihood for speaking with us. Similarly they will occur in approaches to authoritative officials in government who, as a matter of policy, do not speak for attribution. On those occasions, we may use an offer of anonymity as a wedge to make telephone contact, get an interview or learn a fact. In such a case, the reporter should press the source, after the conversation, to go on the record with the newsworthy information that has emerged.
Whenever anonymity is granted, it should be the subject of energetic negotiation to arrive at phrasing that will tell the reader as much as possible about the placement and motivation of the source – in particular, whether the source has firsthand knowledge of the facts.
In any situation when we cite anonymous sources, at least some readers may suspect that the newspaper is being used to convey tainted information or special pleading. If the impetus for anonymity has originated with the source, further reporting is essential to satisfy the reporter and the reader that the paper has sought the whole story.
We will not use anonymous sourcing when sources we can name are readily available.
Confidential sources must have direct knowledge of the information they are giving us — or they must be the authorized representatives of an authority, known to us, who has such knowledge.
We do not grant anonymity to people who are engaged in speculation, unless the very act of speculating is newsworthy and can be clearly labeled for what it is.
We do not grant anonymity to people who use it as cover for a personal or partisan attack. If pejorative opinions are worth reporting and cannot be specifically attributed, they may be paraphrased or described after thorough discussion between writer and editor. The vivid language of direct quotation confers an unfair advantage on a speaker or writer who hides behind the newspaper, and turns of phrase are valueless to a reader who cannot assess the source.
Anonymity should not be invoked for a trivial comment, or to make an unremarkable comment appear portentous.
We do not promise sources that we will refrain from additional reporting or efforts to verify the information being reported.
We do not promise sources that we will refrain from seeking comment from others on the subject of the story. (We may, however, agree to a limited delay in further inquiries – until the close of stock trading, for example.)
Responsibilities of Editors
When anonymity is granted, reporter and source must understand that the commitment is undertaken by the newspaper, not alone by an individual journalist. Any editor who learns a source's identity is required to maintain exactly the same confidentiality as the reporter. That editor may not divulge the identity to other reporters, or to unauthorized editors. And the editor may not use the source – either for reporting on the current story or for later ones.
- In the case of a routine story with unidentified sourcing, the name or explicit role of the source should be conveyed confidentially to the reporter's department head. At the discretion of the department head – and provided the reporter agrees – the responsibility for learning about the source may be delegated to a subordinate supervising editor. (Departments are expected to formulate their own day-to-day routines, in consultation with reporters, for expeditious handling of source information.) In all such routine cases, the department head is accountable for knowing the identity of the source, or for knowing which subordinate editor has been informed. Upon request, the executive editor and the managing editors are entitled to know the identity of the source.
- In the case of a moderately sensitive story, the reporter may wish to share the identity with the executive editor or managing editor only. Such a request should be honored without prejudice, and not taken to signify a lack of trust.
- In the case of exceptionally sensitive reporting, on crucial issues of law or national security in which sources face dire consequences if exposed, the reporter may appeal to the executive editor for total confidentiality. In such circumstances, intended to be extremely rare, the executive editor may choose to ask for only a limited description of the source and waive the right to know the full identity. Only the executive editor may approve such a request.
The standards editor, while not necessarily entitled to know the identity of a confidential source, is responsible for spot-checking compliance with our procedures – that is, for knowing which editors have learned the identity.
Forms of Attribution to Confidential Sources
When we agree to anonymity, the reporter's duty is to obtain terms that conceal as little as possible of what the reader needs to gauge reliability. We should distinguish conscientiously between high-level and lower-level executives or officials. We should not use blind attribution – "sources said," for example – which is more a tease than a signpost. Attribution should never amount to a truism: since "source" merely means a provider of information, "one source said" is equivalent to "somebody said." And "informed" or "reliable source" is no improvement. (Would The Times quote an uninformed or unreliable one?) The objection is not to the word "source," but to its emptiness without a meaningful modifier: "a Senate source," for example, may be acceptable – unless, of course, it is possible to tell the reader still more. The word "official" is overused, and cries out for greater specificity.
Trail markers should be as detailed as possible. "United States diplomat" is better than "Western diplomat," which is better than "diplomat." Still better is "a United States diplomat who took part in the meeting." And "a lawyer who has read the brief" or "an executive close to the XYZ Company" is far better than "a person familiar with the case," a phrase so vague that it could even mean the reporter.
Readers value signs of candor: "The report was provided by a Senate staff member working to defeat the bill."
Whenever possible, in writing about documents we should specify how we received them.
We should avoid automatic references to sources who "insisted on anonymity" or "demanded anonymity"; rote phrases offer the reader no help and make our decisions appear automatic. When possible, though, articles should tersely explain what kind of understanding was actually reached by reporter and source, and should shed light on the reasons and the source's motives.
In editing on the copy desk or at higher levels, the description of a source must never be altered without consultation with the reporter who made the confidentiality commitment.
It should go without saying that The Times is truthful. We do not dissemble about our sources – we do not, for example, refer to a single person as "sources" and do not say "other officials" when quoting someone who has already been cited by name. We do not say a source has refused to comment if in fact that person has commented off the record. (We may, however, say – when it is true – that the source refused to comment on a specific aspect of the story.) There can be no prescribed formula for attribution, but it must be literally truthful, and not coy.
Multiple Anonymous Sources
When we grant anonymity, we do not necessarily require multiple sources. A cabinet official, for example, or the White House adviser on national security, may require anonymity while conveying a policy decision that is clearly "authorized," necessitating no corroborating source.
But when we grant anonymity for less verifiable assertions – especially if they form a disputed account, or are potentially damaging to one side in a court case, for example – corroborating sources are often necessary. The reporter should confer with the department head or senior deputy to agree upon the need and the number.
In such a case, the reporter and editor must be satisfied that the sources are genuinely independent of one another, not connected behind the scenes in any kind of "echo chamber" that negates the value of a cross-check.
http://www.nytco.com/company/business_units/sources.html
+1 to you my friend, for thinking highly enough of me to believe that I would read this whole thing and not just be interested in a summary.
You are quite possibly the most pretentious prick in the history of this message board
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I'm genuinely confused here. Are Schefter's comments bad because he didn't live up to the New York Times standards of anonymity or because his comments aren't true? Honestly, all I care about is the latter.
We can't judge it; because we don't know who his source(s) were, or what they might have said.
And, let's be honest. This isn't just a Journalism 401 final exam on the use of anonymous sources. This is real life. What we're talking about is a process that has been corrosive for Michigan football and for Rich Rodriguez. The press' general treatment of Coach Rodriguez has been an outrage and an abomination. The first reporter who comes along and acknowledges that fact straight up is the one that I might treat as something other than an adverse witness.
so, if there's a press conference in 3 weeks announcing Harbaugh as our coach you're going to apologize for going batshit, yes?
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
And I didn't claim that he's usually wrong, or that he's going to be wrong this time. So no, I have nothing to apologize for. I'm not the guy claiming to have inside knowledge, from anonymous sources. I'm not predicting any particular future course of events.
But Schefter is, and he's now done it in precisely the same way (via anonymous sources) that some others have, and have been shown to be disastrously wrong.
If Schefter has indeed "heard" wrong, I'll, uh, remind him and everybody else. If that press conference in three weeks is a happy vote of confidence for Coach Rodriguez, and the welcoming of a Top-20 or Top-10 recruiting class, then I hope very much that there'll be a shitstorm for all of the Schefters (not to mention the Rosenbergs) of the sports world.
My position is the easiest and the least controversial. I'm not claiming anything. All I'm doing is asking how it is that Schefter knows anything about the immediate future of the Michigan football program. Do you have that answer?
I was just kidding guys! If you say one more word about a process I'll get YOU fired! lol!
You demand from others clarifications, apologies, information, and all sorts of other claims. But when they're shown to be right, or what you were demanding is shown to be based on false evidence, you're not man enough to admit you were wrong. You want to hold people to a higher standard than you hold yourself. And that makes you no better or less hypocritical than the Rodenbergs you rail against.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
but they seem to be wrong 99% of the time. i plan to get a paper-pushing job in the AD at tOSU just so I can become a "reliable source" and spread hilarious rumors all the time that will end up being regurgitated by a dozen talking heads on espn
"adam schefter with fascintating news out of columbus today"
"word out of columbus today is that jim tressel wipes terrelle pryors ass for him. very reliable sources gave me this information, we'll report back as this story develops. back to you in studio"
"Oops, my bad you guys. Meant to say 'sources have JH going to San Francisco'. Will use spell check next time."
Should mention that I didn't "actually" get this tweet myself, saw it from a friends IPhone, and he wishes to remain any anonymous source...
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As important as this issue is to the folks on this board, I'm surprised at the comparisons being made here. The Pentagon papers? Deep Throat? The New York Times? Is a CC at the University of Michigan really comparable to a war where 60,000 US troops lost their lives, or felonious conduct by the sitting President of the United States?
Wow.
"Process matters" - but "context matters" also. If Schefter was the byline author of a published article in the New York Times where he quotes anonymous sources in writing, then yes, he should follow the New York Times guidelines for using anonymous sources.
If Schefter makes an offhand remark during an NFL entertainment television show about the various possibilities of NFL coaching changes, then no, it's ridiculous to say those guidelines are applicable to every unscripted comment he makes.
By the way, it's also ridiculous to take those comments as approaching the verifiable veracity of a published story in the New York Times.
We should indeed remember the off-handed nature of Schefter's comment. It only takes on greater importance in the hair-trigger world of the Michigan football blogosphere, where we have been conditioned to respond, thanks to about two years' worth of malicious reporting on Rich Rodriguez from people not named Adam Schefter. So yes, there is that. And you are right about that.
Schefter's comment was off-handed. It therefore probably shouldn't be criticized in the same way as one might analyze a 10,000-word essay by Sy Hersh in The New Yorker.
And at the same time, we probably shouldn't give Schefter's comment that much credence, either, since it isn't deserving of much of the scrutiny that we'd never bother to apply to fluffy, gossipy, offhanded verbal exchanges. Fair is fair, right?
btw; don't blame me for the allusions to "Deep Throat," Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, etc. Those were the examples brought out by others attempting to undermine my arguments.
And at the same time, we probably shouldn't give Schefter's comment that much credence, either, since it isn't deserving of much of the scrutiny that we'd never bother to apply to fluffy, gossipy, offhanded verbal exchanges. Fair is fair, right?
That is precisely my take on it as well. Schefter was speaking in an offhand way, and it doesn't make sense to take his analysis as approaching the kind of verifiable veracity that a published news account would have.
And I'm certainly not blaming you for the unfortunate allusions of others. It reminds me of someone comparing themselves to Nazis - I understand the passion about sports, but the analogy is very inappropriate - even if it were made with respect to the opponent.
"Hair-trigger" is probably a very good description of everyone's emotional state regarding this situation right now. Sigh...
I'm gonna be the coach! Dave and Lloyd and Mary Sue says so! And they promised free cheeseburgers!!!!!!! Ronnie and Mikey De-bored are coming back to support me and we can get back to traditional michigan footballs values.
Schefter on ESPN @ 3:00 pm re: 49ers coaching search.
"I think their first two targets would likely be Jon Gruden and Jim Harbaugh of Stanford. If they can convince one of those men to take that 49ers job, I think they'd be very happy with that."
Why would he report he "think's their top targets" include Jim Harbaugh if JH is likely going to be at M in less than a week?
Because I think JH is a target for any team until he sign's with Michigan or anywhere else.
Alright my name is Rudy but I hate Notre Dame
I've already seen speculation that the 49ers made the move now -- rather than waiting til after the season finale -- to get a head start on contacting coaches whom they think might not be available after the first week of January. For example, if they really want Jon Gruden but think the Cowboys might take a run at him after the season, might as well be first in line. Harbaugh might also fit into that category.
Those who stay will be champions.
How the fuck is is thread still going!? Die thread die!
I would like to request the mgoproletariat to neg the piss out of anyone who posts after THIS VERY COMMENT.
For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.
How about what needs to happen. The offense is gonna be great. Keep RR. The defense is embarrassing. New defensive coordinator. Why no talk about that.


... "brain cells" is two words.
But I give you +1 for posting while blazing.