I am being healed by laughter...my blood pressure is stabilizing
The Runestone of Gaelic! Where did you get this?
...and that CBS bothered to mention anybody at all outside of the SEC.
he has to have not seen it lately...the stadium, as it looks now, is GORGEOUS...I haven't seen a bunch of others, but I'd be shocked if there are many other better looking stadiums from the outside in the country...
The architecture is growing on me. I didn't like it at first because one of the things I liked about Michigan Stadium was that it didn't really tower over the surrounding area. If you drove by on Stadium or Main, you could shake your head in disbelief that it holds so many people. Now, there is no doubt that it is big. I like how they tried to maintain the 30ish look to it though. I just wish they would have kept the 30ish font "Michigan Stadium" on the outside.
I sense a rise in sales at Ann Arbor Torch and Pitchfork, Co.
You're giving CBS too much credit. Few fans will even read this article.
well played sir
That's true. In fact, you probably just tripled that site's traffic by posting the link here.
Also, it is Dennis Dodd, after all. He hates Michigan, so it isn't really a surprise. Also, based on his comment, it sounds like he was unaware of the stadium renovations so, ya know...
much less been here since the renovations.
If I'm not mistaken ND copied our bowl design back in the day and yet they are ranked ahead of us?!
For all intents and purposes, ND Stadium is just like the Big House, but smaller. Similar atmosphere, similar traditions, similar styled stadium (before ours was renovated). It's just 2/3 the size, or so.
No shit. USC is maybe the best team on that list over the last 10 years and they still can't fill 90,000 seats for a Pac Ten game. And their fans are weak. And the Coliseum is like 100 years old and a piece of shit. I can't think of one good thing about that stadium, and the atmosphere is average at best.
Bad and/or lazy journalists just make lists like this to troll for website hits. Linking to this is (in a small way) making the problem worse and feeding the trolls.
it was noteworthy, and I didnt want to get slammed for not posting a link, therefore, I made a unilateral decision to link.
Michigan should be higher. The stadium is beautiful now. Not to mention that it inspired ND's stadium. Although the whole atmosphere and fans thing really does hurt it. I once gave some flak to an old alumni wearing a red jacket during the OSU game. He said he didn't care because he likes his jacket and keeps him warm. He was wearing other UM gear and that's all that matters. That whole experience sums up a lot of the game day atmosphere outside the student section (which at least in my day, even there it was tough to get even a half-assed Maize out it seemed). That kind of stuff, I feel, would literally get you killed in Columbus if you wore yellow.
I don't get the tradition rating.
If you have ever been to Penn State, you won't get how the archtitecture rating comes close to ours. PSU was put together in sections over the years and looks it.
I really do wonder if the guy has been at the Big House since the renovation.
I haven't been to any BCS conference stadiums other than Michigan's (I have been to the Carrier Dome for a basketball game, great experience, great venue), but I can't imagine that we're not in the top ten at the very least. Nothing compares to a sunny, September Saturday afternoon in the Big House with the good guys out in front.
Other than Michigan I've been to PSU, Texas, Cincinnati, Pitt and Northwestern. Not all for games, but Texas Memorial was the only one I thought could hold up to the Big House.
PSU isn't slightly comparable, at least?
Eh. I'm sure on game days it's fun, but Beaver Stadium itself wasn't that great, in my opinion.
Edit: I've been to Ohio Stadium too but...fuck Ohio State.
Beaver Stadium was built from an Erector Set.
I hate to say it...I've been by Ohio STadium but not in it but I do like the looks of it... NOw my mouth just got a rash for saying that.
Yea, I didn't think that it was that bad (gag). I actually think it looks a little like Texas Memorial from the outside though, without the benefit of Austin.
I was in Columbus in November and Austin in late March, so that could have something to do with that assessment.
Rankings such as these are a sham. They're designed to draw clicks and generate ad revenue more than anything else. And what accomplishes that goal better than anything else? Slighting one of the schools with one of the largest alumni bases and probably the largest online following in the world. You don't think that there's gonna be a ton of Michigan fans emailing in about the deplorable ratings? You don't think that as a fanbase, we won't repost that link, crying for blood? And all the while, we're just giving more ad revenue to CBS.
Try the largest.
Michigan doesn't have a 10 in tradition? An 8!?!?! This guy's opinion means about as much as Mike Valenti's.
and Washington has better fans.
I wouldn't get to bent out of shape about this. The list is just one man's opinion. The opinion, however, is stupid and the guy writing it a dipshit. Nothing beats the House.
We're almost the worst fans of any of those venues? Is this guy for real?
100,000+ Michigan fans will show up for a game against a MAC school in the rain . . . week after week, year after year.
Michigan fans are loyal, knowledgeable, and classy. This is the opinion of other fan bases.
Don't fucking tell me about weak fans.
The stadium isn't loud enough....Or something like that....
I don't know, atmosphere at a stadium is more than just the fans. Although the fans help.
Dodd is an ignorant douchebag. That is all.
We aren't the winningest program in college football or anything.
Saying that we are an 8 in tradition is like saying Charlie Sheen's living situation is not ideal
Consider the source. CBS is the SEC television network. Notice how LSU, Alabama, Florida, and Auburn are in the top 6? Dodd probably got the list from SEC bitch Gary Danielson.
Notre Dame stadium sucks, I mean sucks. It is essentially a smaller version of the Big House with tiny scoreboards. It gets no louder than the Big House, is smaller, and seriously, sucks.
If this Big Ten crew wasn't biased as hell and actually called it both ways, the stadium would rank much higher.
As others have noted, it wouldn't be surprising to hear that Dodd hasn't seen the stadium since the renovations. That would likely change his opinion. (Sorry, John "Save the Big House" Pollack. Truly sorry.)
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Dennis is counting atmosphere, too, so I can understand placing a few venues (except USC ... WTF) above Michigan Stadium. Even with the new towers, it's true that the noise tends to leak out (rather than get back to the field).
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I think it's unrealistic to expect common, dimwitted college football fans outside Michigan (like Dodd) to care much about Michigan's pre-1948 accomplishments. When they think "tradition" they'll have (shudder) Bobby Bowden's streak of Top 4 finishes in mind, not Tom Harmon and Fielding Yost.
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Notice that Michigan got a 10 for history. I'm not sure why that's a category separate from tradition, but at least Dodd seems to understand that UMich is #1 all-time in wins.
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Thought exercise: Where would Michigan Stadium rank, pre-renovations, with its seating capacity reduced to 65,000? Not very high, I'm afraid. It has rarely been a loud stadium. Architecturally, it looked like a big, characterless bowl to most people. Again, I think the towers have improved its appearance.
Let's not pretend that UM hasn't done anything since 1948. Since the Bo era, we've won a national championship, 2 Heisman trophies, numerous Big Ten titles and have been to 4 BCS bowls since the BCS started in 1998. Also since 1998, we've won five bowl games against the SEC (Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida again).
Let's not pretend like everything we've done happened 60 years ago.
That wasn't my point. Michigan's accomplishments since '48 are many. It's just that, by the thinking of CFB fans, they're merely on par with those of several other schools.
By "several other schools" do you mean schools like Texas A&M, Tennessee, Clemson and Notre Dame, all who were rated higher than us in tradition? Do you think any of those schools have the accomplishments over the last 20 years or so that we have? Tennessee might have an argument, but probably not. Notre Dame hasn't done a thing since 1988 and Clemson hasn't done a thing, well, ever.
Yet they all have more tradition than UM, according to Dodd.
perhaps "tradition" = "racism"
Dude's a clown.
Seriously, you can't get angry at crap like this. These are opinions. As such, the only one that should matter to you on topics like these, is your own.
EDIT: That said, I've been to Sanford Stadium (Georgia) Historic Grant Field (Ga Tech), Notre Dame and while they're all fun, nothing compares to Michigan. Obviously, I'm biased.
Is it the 2011 season yet?
Seriously, CBS is fucking up all over the place lately. First Charlie Sheen, then the UM-MSU game map, now this? Thank God I'm an ABC or NBC guy.
Constantly Blowing Something.
Sounds like my ex-girlfriend.
+1 simply for using "Winning" I've been saying that non-stop since the Charlie Sheen interview.
The fact that M Stadium should be #1 aside, Tiger stadium should not be on the list. I went to LSU's senior day vs Ole Miss this year and it wasnt even close to sold out, they blare Lil Wayne and other crap music over the speakers after every play, the band played at halftime with the guitarist from Survivor, the fans complained about having the "worst top 5 team ever," and it took 45 minutes to get out of the stadium because of the poor stadium design. The fans left pissed off that they had won! This was one week after we celebrated like mad after beating an unranked Ill team in 3OT at the Big House. This pissed me off so much it provoked my first ever post.
Survivor? Those guys are still alive?
You know, that looks kinda cool.
I don't think I've ever seen that before. Most of the folks on this board were born with 1000 MGoPoints.
We need to work on the atmosphere guys
We are terrible, terrible fans. Dennis Dodd just said so.
We've all been very bad, and now we must face the self-righteous wrath of Mr. Dodd. Hey, his name rhymes with "God" so it's almost kinda sorta intimidating, right?
Kyle Field is the craziest place ive ever been for a game, blows LSU out of the water. Those Aggie kids are nuts
Very clear SEC bias here.
Should we really be surprised that we got a 6 ranking for "fans?" If you were an impartial observer, how high would you rate the Michigan fan base after the past three years?
Why exactly does the Greek System ruin student unity? I was in the Greek system and I felt very united with the rest of my fellow students.
Still pissed nobody let you into their club Zuckerberg?
Someone didn't get beyond the bike room
is often what happens when under the influence of ganja
not the same as "living united"
that said, I never had a problem with the Greeks showing up late -- just makes it easier to move closer to the field -- or rowdy -- except when they fall/puke on me
Wisconsin... too bad nobody shows up by the time the game starts. The architecture doesn't even flow well there. Smh at this.
"WE COME AT YOU LIVE FROM ANN ARBOR. HOME OF THE BIG HOUSE AND THE MAIZE AND BLUE."
The Big House is a great stadium, but hasn't one of the most consistent complains levied against it that it doesn't always "feel" like a great place to watch football, what with the blue hairs and its massive size? Those SEC stadiums are newer, tend to be filled with far more drunk, loud college kids who are REALLY into the game, and have housed more "important" games in recent memory. I really don't care what some writer at CBS has to say, but putting a couple of them ahead of UM's stadium is fine. I'll take my UM degree, the most wins, the best winning percentage, and handfuls of memorable events and athletic excellence over a loud stadium any day of the week.
Considering every SEC school save Florida is much smaller than UM and our student section has a huge turnout, I very much doubt that SEC games have more college kids at them than we do.
I guess I should rephrase - the SEC stadiums have a higher percentage of the total stadium filled with drunk, rowdy college students. I am not sure about the total numbers, but I sat with alums for my first year, and it seemed like there were very few "stand up and get loud" people in my area even with some youthful alums.
You can take a brand new trailer and fill it with drunken hillbillies, but it's still a trailer full of hillbillies.
Calling out the fans for being quiet and third-down key jangling. Ouch. Still, #3 with the Rose Bowl as #1 is a lot more realistic than effing Tiger Stadium
If you clicked on the other links at the top of the Dodd article...
Bleacher Report: Toughest to play - #6 (behind PSU and tSiO though)
Hinnen's Favorite Stadium - #3 (behind the Rose Bowl and Georgia)
The other three didn't have us in their top 3s (they only included 3). I don't think we should get up in arms over some guy's rankings of stadiums. We all know how we would rank the Big House, it's a matter of personal preference. It may seem egregious to us, but it's a matter of perception.
I can't say much for most of the list, but I found the Swamp to be overrated. It's by no means ugly, but it's not gorgeous. UF fans are fickle. If they're in the top 5, they can create a great SEC raucus atmosphere, but when they were average this year, you couldn't give away a student ticket. They have a much larger student body and a ticket lottery and people couldn't get rid of tickets to the LSU game (student tickets go for about $10).
Obviously, who ever made this list has no clue what michigan is about. Does the term "Leaders and Best" mean anyhting to you?
You mean Leaders and Legends. You're welcome.
BIG - as in Big house big
Move on people.
it easy. What's the difference between history and tradition? Damned if they know--or if they do, they haven't spelled it out. (Why does Mich. get an 8 for tradition? Who knows?) And with all the piss-ugly stadiums out where, why does the Big House get a 7 for architecture? (No take on the rehab job makes it all the more suspect.) Who knows how many of their cruds have even been to half of the stadiums on the list.
1. Michigan Stadium
2. The Big House
3. The House that Yost Built
4. The House that Bo Filled
5. Leslie King Memorial Stadium
6. The House that Canahan Billed
7. The House that Harmon, Howard, and Woodson Thrilled
8. The House that RichRod Chilled
9. Ferry Field II
10. The house that Denard Stilled
10. Any Big 10 Stadium but the Shoe
This is a hack trying to fill his writing/page-hit quota.
Insightful analysis - Wisconsin is No. 7 because everyone has a beer and jumps around.
Please ignore this guy
He gives the fans at USC a rating of 6.5; UM fans he gives a 6. This is where Dodd's ignorance is particularly striking.
In spite of our serious struggles on the field during the last three seasons, we've continued to fill Michigan Stadium to capacity or above, which is a testament to the loyalty of Michigan fans.
Last season, USC drew 85K for Notre Dame, and 88K for Oregon. The Coliseum's capacity as listed on Wikipedia is over 93K. So for one of USC's historical rivals, they are eight thousand below capacity, and for a PAC10 foe who was on its way to the NC game, they were five thousand under capacity.
Checking my Phil Steele for the 2005 season—during which Bush won the Heisman and USC steamrolled everybody en route to the NC game with Vince Young and Texas—he lists the average attendance as 90K. How is it that a nationally dominant program in one of the largest sports markets in the entire world can't fill its own stadium for a measley few games on a Saturday in beautiful weather?
The guy just did this to entertain people. There are 5 arbitrary categories given arbitrary ratings and 5 points separates #5 from 15. I wouldn't get too riled up. We all have to admit that the stadium's architecture doesn't hold sound as well as it could, and after 3 years of porous defenses and getting blown out in conference games, there hasn't been too much atmosphere. Hopefully with the new structures, some added aluminum with lights, a bigger scoreboard, and some tough defenses, the place will be rocking again. Can't wait for 9/10/11.
Also, I think our student section would be much better if they spread it out and had it take up 50 rows in 8 sections as opposed to 100 rows in 4. Then again, that wouldn't be great for ticket sales.