CBs for Filiaga, Becton, Ruiz and Nico, Irving-Bey

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Couple of CBs for Filiaga this afternoon.  Ace put one in for Becton.  Ruiz and Nico got 1 today as well.  Jordan Anthony got 1 too.  All for the good guys, btw. Irving-Bey with 4 recent CBs.

Go Blue!

In reply to by ijohnb

TrueBlue2003

December 16th, 2016 at 7:17 PM ^

than "thin".  The 2013 class, which will be fifth year guys has been a disaster in terms of attrition (Bosch, Fox, LTT) or slow development (Dawson, Kugler).  And the 2014 and 2015 classes were mostly just disastrously small, so we always knew 2017 (and to a lesser extent) 2018 would require a lot of young guys to contribute, especially with the injury to Newsome.

I agree though, it seemed like a slam dunk that this staff would recruit this cycle extremely well because of the opportunity to contribute early (even though we'd still be woefully young and probably take a step back had we landed Wilson, Leatherwood or other five stars).

M-Dog

December 16th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

He "just got here" relative to OL recruiting and development.  It takes a few years to get it rolling at the OL position.  It took a while at Stanford.  They weren't Orange Bowl Stanford until several years in. 

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

December 16th, 2016 at 6:40 PM ^

recruiting side. This is his 3rd class with 24 months to build this class. Hamilton decommitting late was a big blow. Bredeson was a high quality recruit and Onwenu should turn out fine - but the numbers are not there. Newsome was a Hoke holdover? Our 2017 guys might turn out great, but so far they are not elite recruits.

On the development side, I agree 100%. Probably need 1 more year to gauge the process. This year's OL improved to reach "very solid" status but not top tier. It's not clear if Onwenu, Bredeson and others can form a top tier OL.

TrueBlue2003

December 16th, 2016 at 6:33 PM ^

I mean, we missed on a top 30ish guy.  Still in it for a bunch of 4 stars.  He landed the top OL (and overall player) from Wisconsin last year, which seems like a major coup, and he got the top OL (and overall player) from Michigan last year - both top 100 guys.

If we were expecting the five stars to roll in, I guess he's having a difficult time doing that, but seems like the only disappointment? This year was tougher too since there weren't necessarily elite OL from Michigan this year, so he had to compete nationally for the five and high four stars.

DairyQueen

December 16th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^

Not only that, but the recruiting sites rank the players based on their own "metric". It's not a foregone conclusion that every coach places the same value on recruits that the recruiting sites do.

Certain coaches place differing levels of value on each variable, like character, intelligence, leadership, grit, arm-length, motor, mis-match capability, scheme-fit, etc. 

Also, the 5-star thing is actually more reflective on the players NFL prospects. And statstically, team-wise, your CFB success is much more dependent on your ability to raise the level of your 3 and 4-stars, and, of course, most important, out-scheme and execute.

rock7413

December 16th, 2016 at 9:30 PM ^

Looking at the past 3 classes, i wouldn't exactly say Harbaugh has had trouble recruiting OLinemen... (Bredeson, Onwenu, Newsome, and then this year's quadtruble of Herbert, Hall, Honigford & Stueber.... not to mention the guys that are still a possibility)

TrueBlue2003

December 17th, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^

expectation amongst some of the fanbase was that he should be able to recruit better at Michigan. So if he was getting 3/4 stars at Stanford people expect a "Michigan effect" that would allow him to get 4/5 stars.  We're solidly in the 4 to high-4 range with a lot of guys, just haven't landed the whales yet.

WolvinLA2

December 16th, 2016 at 5:24 PM ^

Filiaga is important, but not a must get, in my opinion. We have four good OTs right now and I'm willing to bet we could Becton to replace Herbert if we needed to (and we might get Becton anyway). That's a lot of OT talent and I think Honigford is better than his rating suggests. That's said, Filiaga is better than all of them and certainly closer to seeing serious PT.

Steves_Wolverines

December 16th, 2016 at 5:42 PM ^

Yeah I like Bredeson at LG, but RG is open competition between:

David Dawson - if he gets rewarded with a 5th year
Patrick Kugler - Same situation as Dawson; needs to earn a 5th year
Big Mike Onwenu - hype as both a DT and a OG; still raw but could surprise
Stephen Spanellis - Generic huge dude 3*; definitely in line to compete
Jon Runyan Jr - He's got the last name down, but is he ready?

Overall, that list doesn't seem to produce a RG that's going to be better than what we got out of Kalis this season. 

CalifExile

December 16th, 2016 at 8:45 PM ^

Looking at the adjustments that were actually made after Newsome's injury, it is more likely the lineup would be Bredeson-Kugler-Cole-Onwenu-JBB or a freshman. That's not a good line. Depth and experience are a big problem. The coaches screwed up when they slow played Terrance Davis last year and Aaron Banks this year.

TrueBlue2003

December 16th, 2016 at 11:39 PM ^

fear of that lineup too.  That Dawson/Ulizio/frosh RT looks downright scary unless Filiaga or some frosh really steps up.  Onwenu will be young and untested. Kugler, eh, should be ok, but if it was so important to keep Cole at C (who struggled a bit himself) that we had to struggle with JBB at LT while shuffling for a Newsome replacement this year, it doesn't bode that well for Kugler.

ArmenHammer

December 17th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^

Unless Newsome misses some games to start, I'm seeing Newsome, Bredeson, Cole, Onwenu, JBB. That's not bad at all, but RG/RT need to prove themselves after a year's worth of development. They could be backed up by Herbert or Hall, Dawson, Ruiz, Kugler, and Filiaga. If Wilson had committed to us, I would see him taking RT and Filiaga LT. But now with less size and depth, and with the loss of Braden, Kalis, and Magnuson, the issue with the O-line will be the same as this past year: attrition in the fourth quarter. This is why losing Wilson is such a big deal, even if he's not totally mechanically developed yet. Unless we can find another 6'8 body somewhere, we need both Filiaga and Ruiz to both commit and to step up in order to have any improvement from last year in that phase.

PutInPeters18

December 16th, 2016 at 5:57 PM ^

I think the issue is that Filiaga could contribute, yes, but probably not as a tackle right away. He seems far better suited for the interior. I don't see anyone on the outside that could be an immediate contributor. I did see from Scout that UM plans to go after 3* OT Jalen McKenzie, out of Cali, who's been ballz'd to Tennessee. I could also see them taking another shot at Micah Clark who committed to Rutgers, but they'll probably just add Filiaga and stick with that unless Herbert flips somewhere

CalifExile

December 17th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^

What makes you think Filiaga is better suited for OG? He's 6-6 and 335, the #14 OT according to 247 composite, ahead of Micah Clark, Aaron Banks and Bainivalu, among others.

As for Clark, I've thought about that but he's only 265 pounds according to 247 so he won't help next year. There would be pleasure in stealing our rival's top commit but UM needs to find someone who can produce next year or else use the scholarship at another position.

PutInPeters18

December 16th, 2016 at 6:31 PM ^

Possibly. Physically for sure he's college ready (6'6, 330). OL is pretty hard to estimate that on though, even for guys who are physically capable. Most OL in HS are able to get by simply by being bigger and stronger than their competition, Filiaga definitely has that going for him. I think he'd need to shed some weight before he plays tackle, his feet seem a bit slow for tackle on film. But hey who knows, everyone said the same thing about Kalis, and Clemson managed to do well with true freshman on the OL (Fruhmorgen, Hyatt). I think next year's best combo is gonna require either Cole or Bredeson moving out to RT, unless JBB really steps it up. Something like LT Grant Newsome / Juwann Bushell-Beatty (if Newsome can't go) LG Patrick Kugler / David Dawson / John Runyan / everyone C Mason Cole RG Mike Onwenu RT Ben Bredeson

PutInPeters18

December 17th, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^

As a former OL coach, what I've often seen in determining how likely it is that a guy can make the jump from high school to college immediately are the following things.

1. Size. Is he the right size off the bat? It doesn't matter how athletic, how smart, how good of feet a kid has if he isn't the right size. Sometimes this can even be guys being too big (Filiaga may fit this mold at the time being). Sometimes guys need to shed some LBs to get a little quicker. 

2. Footwork. Can they play with consisent control of their feet? If you don't have good footwork already, learning the footwork that college coaches want their guys using will be much harder to do. It also relates to pass protection as a very large number of kids in high school need to work on their pass protection coming in. Most D1 level kids at OL are already very capable in run blocking (it's a natural feel type of thing that they simply just develop), but pass protection is where most can't cut it immediately. 

3. Mentality/Learning the plays. Our HC always told freshman there were 4 steps to getting on the field quickly, and the two were "Know your assignment, ya can't play if you don't know what to do," and "Give each play everything you got." If kids come in passive or even too agressive (yes it's possible) then they simply don't have much shot at seeing the field immediately. Also making the jump requires adjusting to a different mentality than was required in HS, every single person on the field is 10x better than who you played in HS (most of the time). 

It's not an exact science, if it were, recruiting analysts and everyone wouldn't get it wrong so often, but look for these things (can't really see #3 I know) cauz they are often key.