I actually hate ND more because I find it insulting that, just because I'm Catholic and part Irish, I'm supposed to love a team that sucks.
Uh, if he's Catholic why wouldn't he be forced to be Boston College fan or a Georgetown fan? Nope. He's a ND fan because of lack of refinement not an overindulgence of religion.
I went a Jesuit run school just south of the border; I actualy cheer for both BC and Georgetown over Norte scum because both schools are Jesuit run. I have no allegence problems -- umich is#1.
Liking Georgetown is like hating puppies.
He could have been a BC fan. I wonder why he roots for ND when those two schools play each other.
Because when they were young, ND was good, and it was easy to root for ND. Who adopts Boston College Football as their team? Nobody.
BC! How could you not after watching Matt Ryan?
Being Catholic means nothing to the huge Latino-Catholic population in Texas when it comes to schools.
I'd comment on myself as I was raised Catholic, but that ship sailed before I was 14. Even then, ND had nothing to do with Catholicism.
I am Catholic and before going to Michigan, I loved Notre Dame. Now, I hate them more than any other team. In Catholic school, it was almost required to be a fan of ND. All my friends were Irish so that was double. I still get strange looks when I wear a Michigan tie on sunday.
My first day at the dorm freshman year, some guy ran over took my ND cap and stomped on it. Came back a little later with a Michigan hat and that was all I needed to know.
You wore a ND cap your first day in the dorms? You, sir, had balls.
It was like yeah, I from NYC, dont mess with me. I learned real quick that Detroit was scarier than most parts of the city.
Wearing my Kieth Byars jersey under my UM sweatshirt for my first edition of "the game" as a freshman?
I can't help that I was raised by a Buckeye!! (only grad school so hes not that bad a father)
I didn't mind ND until I took a tour of it while in high school. The school is ugly and the people are annoying. Took a tour of Michigan in the middle of winter in a foot of snow and fell in love. Notre Dame is a cult down here. People here are shocked that I hate ND and I'm catholic Michigan is just better.
Geez, I feel like i'm reading something i posted... save the ND cap thing... I did have an ND Sweat-shirt. Did you go to HS in NYC? I went to Xavier and share the exact same experience.
Was going to go to Regis, but ended up at Bronx Science. My best friends went to Regis.
And as a kid I always liked Michigan and never liked notre dame it wasn't until I went to Michigan until I really hated them.
Well, I'm Catholic, but I never had to fight off any urge to root for Notre Dame. Not difficult.
....and fucking hate Notre Dame.
My grandparents on my Mom's side came over from Ireland and I was born and raised catholic, however I can still remember throwing my 'M' hat at the TV at the age of 12 when Bo kicked the ball to Rocket Ismail the second time in '89. My old man went to UM so I was raised Maize and Blue despite the Irish-Catholic heritage, and I've hated ND as long as I can remember. My hatred is solidified each Christmas as my cousin and her husband both went to ND, and they are your prototypical golden domer slappies that we all hate so much. Actually, for the second year in a row he owes me a fifth of Jameson complimants of Rich Rod and the boys!
Nothing else needs to be said.
I went to Brother Rice in suburban Detroit, which had about 500 guys named Kennedy or Kelly. There were a lot of ND fans, mostly if their Dads went to ND, but all in all there were more Michigan and MSU fans than anything.
Indian Catholic here, but I cheer for Michigan. My degrees are from Michigan, not Notre Dame. In any case, I don't think that the spheres of religion and sports should intersect.
I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic grade school and high school and just recently graduated from Michigan and I am still a practicing Catholic. I actually hate ND so much more BECAUSE I'm Catholic. I can't stand the attitude, "oh, you're Catholic, you have to root for ND". Bull S***. ND doesn't represent the Catholic faith/Church well at all and I think Michigan's football team is much more humble and representing of good values then ND ever will be.
From a full-fledged Catholic: Screw ND, GO BLUE!
(raised Catholic), attended Catholic grade/High schools, grew up in the Midwest ambivalent to ND and loving UM. The only reason I'm reluctant to say I "hated" (or even currently "hate")ND is because the standard bearer for that emotional reaction is OSU. I strongly dislike ND, always did.
I hate ND never liked them and that's that.
Big deal it's not like the big guy is giving them any help anyway.Also don't pray ever for Michigan to win I did that during the Game that shall not be spoke with a few minutes left and it turned out bad for us. Sorry I think that was my fault guys...
Sometimes the answers to prayers take a little longer than we mortals might like (or understand)... My 1973 prayers of a National Championship finally came through in 1997... It just may be that your prayers that day were answered several years later in the form of a "Shoelace".
And honestly it was nearly a three-way split between Michigan, Little Brother, and Notre Dame. If anything, I would guess ND had the least fans of the three schools.
Ya, I was raised Catholic in Saint Louis and spent my whole life in Catholic schools until I came to Michigan.
Despite all of that I was never a Notre Dame fan. When I am became a big Michigan fan my freshman year of high school (didn't follow college football much before then), I instantly became despised by half of my school.
I was just never tempted by the dark side. I noticed very early on that people liked ND for no real reason at all other than religion, Rudy, and a bunch of other irrelevant bull.
I love the fact that we have won 4 out of 5 against those bastards despite having one of the worst stretches in our programs history.
Not only was I raised Catholic (in the Cleveland area, at that), but went to a Catholic grade school, and THEN a Catholic high school run by the Brothers of the Holy Cross. I was the first graduate in 15 years to attend Michigan, and the last for the next 7, I think.
Like all things they taught me, such as abstinence from sex, drugs and booze, blanket acceptance of papal doctine, and love of all things ND, I pretty much assumed the other way would be more fun and rewarding.
I think your manager is a complete pussy and tool for employing the German WW2 era prison guard defense.
I'm Catholic, and years ago considered rooting for ND if they weren't playing Michigan, but not anymore. I hope they lose every game.
My wife's family is Irish Catholic from Chicago and they all hate ND.
and I've NEVER had the urge to be a fan of Notre Dame, or even pull for them to win except maybe for some geographical matchups against, say, USC or some SEC/Big 12/ACC teams b/c ND represents the Midwest/Big Ten region, I guess (ie - to combat the North v South media bias).
It's funny this question was brought up because one of my seminarian brothers was at the game and visited the Notre Dame Basilica beforehand. He went there being pretty much 1/2 Michigan fan, 1/2 Notre Dame fan (long story)... he kept "discerning" in his heart which team he could truly call his own, and unfortunately, he sided with Notre Dame because he could feel the turmoil of losing "deep down" in his heart that he hadn't had with Michigan before.
Happy Feast Day of Our Lady of Sorrows, my fellow Catholics!
I grew up Catholic in Boston and was a big BC fan, so I had a hatred for ND long before I had any affiliation with Michigan. I did have a lot of Irish-Catholic friends who were big ND supporters though.
Not every Catholic can go, or wants to go to ND. There are other Catholic schools around the country, many of which are not as expensive.
Anyway religion should really have nothing to do with the rivalry. It's about the tradition and history, mutual success of the programs, the close games, etc.
notre dame.... more like notre...LAME!!!! LOLZ
But I had no choice in the rooting matter. I was a Wolverine and Tiger fan since I could remember.
I remember Lou Holtz recruiting a Jewish QB (who ended up transferring to MSU - name escapes me), and telling him that his religion wasn't an issue since only a third of the roster was actually Catholic. So the university that makes this big show of its religious identity, and acts like it's every Catholiic's duty to support them, actually has no problem fielding a roster largely composed of non-church members. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
the university that makes this big show of its religious identity
Well it is a Catholic university, I don't see how they make a "big show" out of it. I mean the very name of the school iimplies Catholicism. Should they hide it somehow? What about BYU, TCU? Southern Methodist?
actually has no problem fielding a roster largely composed of non-church members
Next thing you know they'll have a team that doesn't have many Irish people on it.
I don't like ND any more than the next Michigan fan but uh, dude. Chill.
I'm chill. I find this more laughable/pathetic than anything.
But their football program makes a big show of the school's Catholicism, more than any other religious school I can think of does. Lou Holtz used to regularly say crap like "God doesn't care if we win, but His mother does." When they played Miami, their fans wore shirts saying "Catholics vs. Convicts." And so on. Never mind that most of their players weren't even Catholic.
It just goes along with what I was saying earlier: much of ND's legacy is built on a bunch of bogus legends and half-truths.
Raghib Ismail (raised Muslim)
Manti Teo (Mormon)
They've had non-Catholics play there before, and I don't see how it's any bigger deal than a non-Mormon playing for BYU.
IMO the whole "catholics v convicts" thing was just meant to be one of those joke t-shirts you see at every game, like Michigan fans wearing "Rudy sucked" t-shirts.
I used to love Notre Dame as a kid. I'm catholic, and my step dad went there. I visited the campus a lot, games etc. I told one of my teachers in HS (he was a priest) that I wanted to go to Notre Dame and he laughed at me, asking me why I wanted to go to a Catholic Disneyland.
I digress... my step-dad also recommended that I apply to other universities in the midwest (Xavier, and Michigan) being among them. At any rate, I didn't get into ND (blessing in disguise) but I was accepted to U of M. I visited and instantly fell in love.
After a few years of absolutely hating ND, when I graduated in '06, I stayed in Ann Arbor for the summer, then realized I needed to get my happy ass a job. Long story short, I went through both the ND and U of M alumni database, and an ND guy (complete stranger at the time) actually helped me land a job at a company I've been working for ever since. That spoke volumes to me about ND (helping out a Michigan guy.) At any rate, I feel obliged/compelled to show ND some love.
...is Michigan without a football team
i'm catholic and i hate notre dame
Im Irish/Catholic who grew up a Michigan fan. My mom wanted me to go to ND so bad. I could not even apply. Went to Michigan, still true Blue.
Im a Catholic from South Bend and I hate Notre Dame so I hate when people use the "Im Catholic so i love Notre Dame." thing. I grew up around it and went to private Catholic schools all my life and trust me you can hate Notre Dame. Go Blue
He said that he had no choice kind of tongue in cheek (and he's really a nice guy), but you can sense the "Irish arrogance." Of course, "if Crist had played the whole game, it would have been different...."
If the officiating had been competent, Michigan would have won by three scores!
BTW, as a Methodist who was raised to hate ND almost as much as that team in the worst state ever, I am loving these stories.
I grew up a Catholic but that doesn't mean I grew up envying Mexico's papist-dominated society as opposed to the good ol' mixed USA. Mexico sucks and so does Notre Dame. AMURUKUH!!!! [/sarcasm, but seriously I hate ND]
I'm Catholic and have never felt pressure to root for ND either.
I am both Catholic and 100% Irish and I hate ND
Traditional Catholic, just graduated with an MA from Notre Dame, and wore a "Beat ND" button on my Michigan backpack every day for both of my years there. I love the University & the many great people I met & learned from there, but when the whistle blows and the game starts, it's all about Blue, baby.
for how random of a topic this is. The interesting thing to me is the dynamics involved in choosing a team. Where in pro sports it was a pretty damn easy choice (I live an hour from Detroit, you figure out who my MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL teams are), the college choice can become complicating. From where I was, MSU and UM weren't much difference in how far apart they were. And I'm Catholic, so obviously there was the whole ND thing. But nobody pressured me on who to watch. In fact, my dad is pretty indifferent between MSU and UM. He just enjoys watching football and seeing local teams do well. From about 8 or 9 years old, the maize and blue helmets caught my eyes. I actually remember hating Notre Dame a lot when I was younger. That 25-23 loss that one year was what really set me into full-fledged ND hate mode. My best friend then was a girl on the XC team in HS, and her family was also Catholic and ND fans. I remember betting her dad a steak dinner that Michigan would beat ND and then having Michigan come away with a 38-0 win. After the 47-21 win, a bunch of us drove to their house and yelled Michigan rules through the window. He chased us with eggs. But I digress. The point is, I'm Catholic and I made my own choices in fandom. Michigan it is.
I am Catholic, went to a catholic elementary. My grand uncle is a priest and my grand aunt taught at a catholic college. My mom taught at a catholic elementary.
I credit that upbringing with teaching me to love the maize and blue.
and I loathe ND. Deeply.
There are more Catholics at Michigan than at ND.
Isn't ND's total enrollment something like 10K? What's UM's at now? 35k?
UofM has more Catholic students and more Catholic alumni than nd, and the UofM was co-founded by a Catholic Priest, Fr. Gabriel Richard, so really, if you are Catholic, UofM should be your team. For more history, see this link: http://www.umich.edu/~aahist/carlos1820.html.
...is sick of them Domers belittling my people with their stereotypes their associating Irish Catholics with their poor football teams.
This discussion comes up every year with my Dad. We both graduated from U of M, but he is a very strong Catholic from Bay City. For him Religion is Life. So I called him Saturday and told him to enjoy the game - knowing he'd be happiest with ND winning by a point. Well, much to my surprise, he replied, "You know what, I'd really like to see Michigan win this game.". Love ya' Dad.
Football is my religion so naturally Michigan is my god.
I grew up a Irish-Catholic in southwest Michigan about 30 minutes from ND. Everyone, it seemed, who subscribed to Catholisism loved Notre Dame including my mom's side of the family. When I was three or four, my aunt brought me home with a Notre Dame hat on my head. My father told me i could wear the hat and live in the garage or throw the hat away and live in the house with the rest of the family. I made the right choice. He then told me that Lou Holtz was a cheating son of a bitch and that when the local press published a picture of him in the paper, he would wipe his ass with it. I don't think he actually did that, but when you're that young, you'll believe anything. As a result, everytime I see Holtz on TV, this story pops into my head and I think of his image as a tool used to remove fecal matter. Also, because of proximity, I hated ND more than OSU growing up. I feel differently now after having been to Ohio and meeting Buckeyes but i digress.
Dad is a smart man. Now, when I see Lou on ESPN, I will be smiling.
and grew up rooting for Michigan. I went to Church for the confirmation and we went to ND campus for a special trip. Needless to say, the campus sucked and there's absolutely nothing to do around campus. That was my sophomore year in high school. I visited Michigan campus in my junior year(went to a few Michigan football games before that) and loved the visit. It was far superior than ND campus.
I am catholic as is both sides of my family and they are all ND fans. When I was young I was an ND fan and a Michigan fan. On games when Michigan & ND played I would always root for the team that was losing at halftime. Then I went to every home game for Michigan's National Championship game and was a full time Michigan fan from then on out. I have only missed one home game since them and that was last year due to my sister's wedding.
I am kind of odd in that when Michigan doesn't play ND I still hope they win because of the way I was brought up. However from the minute the game before ND ends until the next day after the ND game I am nothing but a Michigan fan and even heckle my family about stupid irish stuff like there "Return to Glory" crap.
My head hurts after seeing that many mistakes.
Catholic, never had any interest in being a ND fan. 12 years of Catholic school and I hated all the goody-two shoe pricks and prickettes in high school who end up going and was always annoyed by all of teachers who said I was making a huge mistake by not going. I'm reminded every time I'm in South Bend how miserable those four years would have been, and how I wouldn't have traded the time in Ann Arbor for anything.
I'm catholic and my whole damn family is catholic. When the hell did being catholic make it so you have to root for ND?! Most of my family went to MI and I was raised in MI. Never will I root for ND except against Sparty. I'm thinking about going Lutheran some day though.
edit: Nevermind, whole damn family isn't catholic. We're all pretty religious but each of my uncles kinda did their own thing with their family, but I'm catholic now.
Full Irish. Full Catholic. Fully loathe ND.
Grew up in Detroit. I had no choice but to be a Michigan fan. LOL Seriously, he can say whatever he wants; ultimately he just likes the Irish. Way too deep, but I imagine God has much more to worry about that Foottball. If he was a fan, however, he'd be a Michigan fan.
I grew up in a mostly Catholic neighborhood and a lot of our neighbors were Notre Dame slappies. My dad and uncle went to Michigan.
"Just because we're Catholic doesn't mean we can't hate Notre Dame," was her favorite saying.
Everyone in my extended family hates Notre Dame and they're all Catholic.
EDIT: Oh, yeah. Forgot to add my mom's Irish, too.
I'm Catholic. I detest Notre Dame.
When the rainbow came out last Saturday, and ND scored, I said to my Bros "Don't worry, God is a Michigan fan today"
When I was young, I had an uncle that encouraged me to be a fan of Notre Dame. At the time I was fairly ambivalent about it and would just accept any ND gear he got me. Fast forward to grad school, I got accepted to UM, visited, fell in love, and now LOVE to see ND lose.
To make the story even better, I've gotten the son of my ND fan uncle to be a Michigan fan. His first Michigan game was this last weekend with me in SB. What a great first game for him! He's already made his facebook profile pic the one we took with Dave Brandon at the alumni tailgate. It feels good to steer the younger generations towards the light.
1 out of 1 Catholic hobos prefers Michigan to Notre Dame!
I'm Catholic and Irish and never felt obligated to cheer for the team.
-Your manager sucks.
I dated an irish Catholic girl in high school. When I took her to prom (just after I decided to enroll at Michigan), her father (a ND alumn) called the highway patrol on me when I didn't bring her home on time.
As we were both 18, I don't know what they really could have done. But the guy was a dick.
Holy shit, that's incredible.
Is a diehard UofM fan - he actually hates ND.
At the end of the prayer at our wedding reception he dropped a "Go Blue" on a largely ND crowd.
I've thought about taking him to a game but I am a lush and I'd still like to get into heaven.
And as for my thoughts on becoming an ND fan... Never a consideration - besides God doesn't care about football.
I married a Domer. She's a real fan - she knows the players by their numbers.
Before our first kid was born we negotiated that all boys would Blue and all girls would be Irish. This was a risk bc we didn't find out what it was before it was born.
So far I'm two for two... Two little Michigan fans.
I like this. We beat them on the field and take their women. Going to start calling you Conan.
Irish Catholic by birth, Wolverine by the grace of God.
They are proud I went to Michigan.
I hope Michigan beats them every year, and I root for them to win every other game. Not because their Catholic, because it makes us look better.
Michigan grad: check
I deal with the same issue every time Michigan plays Yeshiva University. I hear ya man.
Both sides of the family have a lot of Irish blood in them and both sides are mostly Catholic. Add that to the entire family being based in and around Chicago, and you have more than a few that root for Notre Dame.
I never really got into college football when I was young (both parents went to small schools), but I always hated Notre Dame. It's not that I like the underdog or something, I just remember being six years old and hating Notre Dame. The undeserved arrogance, the "fans" who are mostly unaware that South Bend is a boring, ugly town in the middle of a boring, ugly state, and the inability to have a mostly rational conversation were what got me. And I was six.
To this day, my grandfather is still a Notre Dame fan and I have to imagine my cousins that pay attention to college sports (not many) are too. I'm glad to be the first one in my family to start the Michigan tradition.