My twitter is blowing up this morning. Two true freshmen starters, according to the first official depth chart, Carvin Johnson at a hybrid saftey spot. And Will Hagerup at punter.
And according to Varsity Blue "Rich Rod: Devin Gardner probably won't redshirt."
http://mgofootball.com/ This is the best link I have found this morning to the new depth chart.
Carvin's coach said
I'm guessing Carvin is
The hybrid position is the Spur, correct?
ditto
I'd also like to know who got displaced.
EDIT: Never mind -- the Rivals article says Gordon.
"..."
Thomas Gordon
Thomas Gordon
He's taking the place of
He's taking the place of Thomas Gordon/Floyd Simmons/Mike Williams/Josh Furman at Spur.
That's not so good for
That's not so good for Furman, who I thought was going to be a beast. Although if he can beat out that many people for the spot - yay. He's gotta be at least servicable, righit? Right?
I'll bite...
Right!
Furman is raw. I think he
Furman is raw. I think he played RB and DE in high school. Someone feel free to correct me.
So Furman is all of the
So Furman is all of the sudden not a "beast" because he didn't pick up a starting spot after only 3 weeks of practice. You have some pretty high expectations...
Ever think Johnson was just more physically developed coming in? I make it a habit not to write off 17-18 year old athletes before they even start their first semester of school.
Not to brag,
but I make it a habit to snort coke off the shoulder blades of gorgeous escorts. I guess not all habits are created equal.
Well...I mean...I was just
Well...I mean...I was just talking about my talent evaluation habits. Now my standard Tuesday night habits are a different story.
primo handle there
well played.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
Josh Furman spent most of his
Josh Furman spent most of his time on defense rushing the passer. Going from being a pass rusher to covering Martavious Odoms-like slot receivers isn't going to happen overnight.
Spur
Thomas Gordon was the front-runner for this position for all of spring and most of fall camp.
EDIT: Beaten by like 4 people. Sheesh. It's definitely a Monday.
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Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?
imo
The Spur is an overhang type OLB, while the Bandit is the true hybrid player. I don't think we'll see the Spur drop back and play a deep safety, but I do think we'll see it from the Bandit.
That said, it is schematically possible to drop either Spur or Bandit back.
do you have a link to the
do you have a link to the depthchart?
http://mgofootball.com/
Thi
This is the best I have found for a link so far.
Ohio Stadium "10000 alumni and 74000 truck drivers."- Bob Ufer
Site isn't working for me.
Site isn't working for me. Maybe it's overloaded?
Depth Chart
Where can I actually find the updated Depth Chart?
Michigan Football
Michigan Football tweets:
RT @LarryLage: Rodriguez says he doesn't know if all 3 QBs will play in opener, but Gardner will not redshirt: "Devin is going to play"
RR: "Devin is going to play"
If that's accurate, then I have to eat all my words about how RR will not play DG unless disaster happens. I don't understand it myself, because RR also just said he won't burn a redshirt just to give snaps at garbage time.
It also indicates that RR's assessment of the potential of TF and DR is not tremendously optimistic.
That's not entirely true
What it really means is, "Why deal solely in gold when you've also got platinum?"
I think that should read "TF
I think that should read "TF or DR". He was going to redshirt him as long has he had two viable options at QB. If one of those goes away, he no longer has a viable back up. My guess is that this is a combination of Tate not improving as much as he should and Devin improving way more than anyone expected.
Don't assume you know what happens
Tate was one of the top players at the "Beanie bowl". I'm more concerned about Denard's performance against a real D that isn't playing vanilla than I am about Tate. When Denard shows me he can be a viable passer in real game situations I will feel much more comfortable with him. I believe his HS completion % was around 47% and that won't make it in D1 football.
If DG is as good as the hype and we believe him to be he won't stay for five years so why RS him.
I didn't assume anything. The
I didn't assume anything. The last part was a guess based on what we have seen/heard lately. But, my point was that DG not getting redshirted does not mean that both of our QBs are playing horribly. It likely only means one is and that DG is playing better than that one.
DG redshirt
If DG is as good as the hype and we believe him to be he won't stay for five years so why RS him.
This is why I don't think it is a good idea to redshirt DG. I think he will be a great QB and will eventually pass DR and TF by their senior years anyways which I think means that he wouldn't stay for a 5th year.
Don't you think all the
Don't you think all the chatter about him being on the hotseat changes his strategy just a little? It's being demanded that he win now, so he can't really be worrying about the 2014 team anymore. That's what I get from it. Of course, if his job security is solidified before they burn the redshirt, maybe he'll reconsider.
Re Gardner playing time
If Devin Gardner provides *any* opportunity for the team to win then he need not redshirt. The End.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
Question
How long do the coaches have to decide on whether or not to redshirt a kid? Is it possible that Gardner doesn't play, unless absolutely necessary, and is redshirted later in the year?
to my...
understanding a player cannot play at all in order to be redshirted...
A redshirt isn't burnt until
A redshirt isn't burnt until you play a kid, there's no like paperwork that has to be filed prior to games.
You can play up to like 15%
You can play up to like 15% of the games and still be redshirted. I'm not exactly sure, but it's like a game and a half into the season.
No
Stop spreading wrong information. One snap = redshirt burned. Unless it's a medical redshirt.
NCAA on Redshirting
I believe you are thinking of
I believe you are thinking of the medical redshirt rules, certain % of plays before a certain point in the season and one can still qualify for a medical redshirt if injured in like game 4 or something.
I don't think the percentage
I don't think the percentage of plays matters. It's how many games you appear in (and when).
He will see the field
If Devin doesn't redshirt, he's probably going to play quite a bit more than we all expected, unless of course Shoelace goes all Heisman on everyone.
some player quotes on Carvin
some player quotes on Carvin from rivals (non-paywalled):
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1119447
"He's been getting interceptions, laying the wood ... he just comes to practice and does his job, makes the play and gets back up and does it again," defensive tackle Mike Martin said Monday. "He's smart. He's always around the ball. He's a young guy and a humble kid ... I've been really impressed with him this camp and he has done a great job."
Johnson is probably starting
Johnson is probably starting at Spur, which was Steve Brown's position last year.
Question
I know you've said before that Brown had essentially no deep/safety responsibility last year, wouldn't it make more sense to put Kovacs at that position where he can focus on playing in the box (where he excels) or do you think the tradeoff of Johnson covering tight ends, etc. one-on-one while Kovacs takes the occasional deep responsibility a preferable setup?
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
If thats the case, I guess
If thats the case, I guess the coaches trust Kovacs not to make a soul crushing mental error that a true freshman might make.
As far as I know, Kovacs will
As far as I know, Kovacs will be playing up near the line of scrimmage and not be tasked with fast players. Cam Gordon is our deep safety.
True
But at some point presumably the other safety is going to have some deep responsibility unless you play an eight man front every down and distance or swap him out for corner/nickle type players (which we don't have a whole lot of). It just seemed to me that Johnson would be a more natural fit for the guy with some deep responsibility (even if he does spend the majority of first and second down playing near the line of scrimmage) than Kovacs would be.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
Typically, yes, the Bandit
Typically, yes, the Bandit plays at the line, but there were some plays in the spring game (mostly unbalanced receivers) where the CB plays at the line and the Bandit plays the deep/curl route zones.
We don't run this particular
We don't run this particular defense, but I've talked to a couple coaches who have said that you should put your best overall athlete at Spur. He has to cover and tackle on a regular basis. So it makes sense that Steve Brown would have played Spur last year, and it makes sense that Josh Furman - an excellent athlete but who is raw - would play there, too. I'm not convinced that Johnson is our best athlete, but he has a good combination of skills and he also seems to have good football instincts.
I'm not a huge fan of Kovacs' ability, but it makes sense for him to play Bandit instead. Hopefully he can keep mental mistakes to a minimum and position himself correctly, because he doesn't have the athleticism to make up for mental mistakes.
As long as we win
Everything points to Johnson being a stud and a great pick-up by the staff. If he starts as a true freshman and it helps us win I am all for it.
The writing was on the wall with Hagerup I believe everybody and their grandmother knew Hagerup would be replacing the space emperor.
In regards to DG I am just holding out hope that, he doesnt play and can save that redshirt. If we need him to win games though that's what's important.
David Cone is my homeboy...
Anyone have a depth chart!?
Anyone have a depth chart!? /s
Here
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1117803
I need to go home and put water in Buck Nasty's Mom's dish
Thanks but I was kidding due
Thanks but I was kidding due to the two other exact posts...haha
he was a "player"! RR and GERG must agree. Johnson looks like a GREAT pickup! To his coach, if your out there thank you!