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May 10th, 2010 at 10:09 PM
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Carr talks re Trent

Just to round out everyone's statements on the issue

 

"That paragraph is completely a distortion of my conversation with Morgan," Carr said. "That is a complete distortion, and it is not accurate. I have never spoken with the author. I have never met him. I have never had a conversation with him to the best of my knowledge."
 

 

Also, Trent backs off the portion that it was Carr that brought it up

 

"Lloyd didn't bring any of this to my attention," Trent said. "When we spoke, I brought it up to him, and he said he had heard some of the same things."


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100510/SPORTS0201/5100435/1004/SPORTS/Rich-Rodriguez--Loyd-Carr--Morgan-Trent-spar-on-book-passage#ixzz0naCGh0Ze

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:12 PM | Morgan, just move on. (Score:1)
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Morgan, just move on.

i only respect other superfans

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:13 PM | Trent backpedaling (Score:1)
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Sounds like Trent is backpedaling faster than he ever did when he was at UM giving receivers his patented 10 yard cushion.

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:07 PM | Zing! (Score:1)
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Zing!

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:14 PM | Backtrackers, start your engines... (Score:1)
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The story sure has changed, eh Trent?

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:16 PM | +1 to Carr for addressing (Score:1)
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+1 to Carr for addressing this publicly.

-1 to Trent for calling him Lloyd.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:49 PM | Damn right; Coach Carr's class comes through. (Score:1)
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As one of the pitchfork and torch bearers demanding a response from Coach Carr, I pronounce myself 100% satisfied.  It was the right thing to do and Coach Carr did it.  Case closed.

 

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:55 PM | Totally unfortunate for Carr (Score:1)
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Yet again, a random pseudo journalist gets the internets all excited about what amounts to nothing. Lloyd Carr should never have even had to respond to such ridiculous crap...and then doesn't it come out that, according to Morgan Trent...well, it just wasn't quite like that at all.

Lloyd Carr deserved better.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:56 PM | A clear case of the (Score:1)
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A clear case of the Blogarazzi at its worst

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:08 PM | What about Rodriguez? (Score:1)
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I think Rodriguez is the principal vicitm here.  I'm a little troubled by how long it took for Coach Carr to get around to this little detail.  But having said that, it is done.  Once again, 48 hours of character assasination aimed at Rich Rodriguez, for nothing.

 

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:12 PM | So now you're faulting Lloyd (Score:1)
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So now you're faulting Lloyd Carr for taking too long (a day or two, in real time) to respond to this.  I'm looking forward to a time when Lloyd Carr - who stopped coaching in January 2008, mind you - isn't going to be blamed for Michigan's football troubles anymore.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:24 PM | Come on (Score:1)
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You're typically one of my favorite commenters, but you and I both know that the previous coach's impact doesn't disappear immediately upon his departure, and it's been VERY well documented (Misopogon's post is on the front page right now, for example) how lacking the defensive recruiting was at the end of the Carr era.

I don't "blame" Carr anymore than I "blame" any individual player -- his poor recruiting at the end of his tenure is just one small part of our struggles. But you can't deny that it's had an effect.

Those who stay will be champions.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:29 PM | And I am looking forward to the day when (Score:1)
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we will no longer have regular brushfires in the press thanks to guys like the Borens, Braylon, Manningham and Trent.

These are needless distractions for Rich Rodroguez, his staff and his players.

I didn't blame Coach Carr for ANYTHING other than allowing this story, now said to be a false one (per Rodriguez, Carr and Trent) to gain traction in places like the Free Press.

 

 

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May 11th, 2010 at 6:31 AM | "I didn't blame Coach Carr (Score:1)
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"I didn't blame Coach Carr for ANYTHING other than allowing this story, now said to be a false one (per Rodriguez, Carr and Trent) to gain traction in places like the Free Press."

It is truly sad that he let this fester in the MSM for approximately 24-36 hours.  He should have known that angry bloggers and dozens of message board posters would be calling for him to apologize quicker.

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May 11th, 2010 at 10:40 AM | Dude... (Score:1)
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Lloyd Carr is old school (in his mid-60's).  If he is anything like my parents, his knowledge of the internet and "angry bloggers" is almost none existent.  I would think that that a couple of days to respond to this is pretty reasonable.  He is retired for goodness sakes.....

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May 11th, 2010 at 11:12 AM | Yeah . . . I was being (Score:1)
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Yeah . . . I was being sarcastic.

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May 11th, 2010 at 12:14 AM | Boy, somebody is in a (Score:1)
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Boy, somebody is in a mood....

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May 11th, 2010 at 6:47 AM | I bet Lloyd Carr is looking (Score:1)
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I bet Lloyd Carr is looking forward to that day too.

And I agree - for Lloyd Carr to even come out and issue a statement, much less do it in 48 hours, is amazing.

(The new boss seems to want to attack these things head on.)

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May 11th, 2010 at 9:01 PM | So are you the secret police (Score:1)
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So are you the secret police for Rich Rodriguez? Anyone who is related to anything said under the rainbow and sunshine level gets the kiss of death from you.

Go Blue!

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:16 PM | I'm very glad to see (Score:1)
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I'm very glad to see this.

 

Now, if we could only get a statement from Mark Snyder as to why he chose to run this story in the first place.....................

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:18 PM | Because (Score:1)
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He's a putz.

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
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May 11th, 2010 at 12:40 AM | Exactly.  Another perfect (Score:1)
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Exactly.  Another perfect example of Freep hack journalism.  All they had to do was pick up the phone--like Angelique did--and get a straight confirmation/denial from Lloyd before running this POS story.  Their omission in doing so just proves their malicious intent.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:17 PM | Officer San Diego says (Score:1)
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"Nothing to see here folks.  Please move along."

Drink a pint of tequila, 12 beers and start one post about Justin Boren in bad taste and end up with - 590 points.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:17 PM | Any Carr-bashers out there (Score:1)
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Any Carr-bashers out there willing to eat crow?

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:23 PM | Does it taste like chicken? (Score:1)
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Does it taste like chicken?

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:20 PM | oooooo....  must try this, (Score:1)
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oooooo....  must try this, this... thing.  this thing of such Brilliance!  

num num num num num...

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:47 PM | Or even (Score:1)
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RR-bashers/Trent supporters?? Were there any Trent supporters out there besides the MSU poster?

When you reach the end of your rope tie a knot and hold on...

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:07 PM | In fairness (Score:1)
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Anyone who's 'eating crow" about Carr should instead be shoving it down Morgan Trent's throat. I think everyone who bashed Carr did so on the assumption that Trent was telling at least some semblance of the truth -- instead he appears to have thrown both of his Michigan coaches under the bus. Classy.

Those who stay will be champions.

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May 11th, 2010 at 11:10 AM | I'll take a bite (Score:1)
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Although I thought Brian went too far, I held Carr in my mind as very non-supportive of RR.  I'm not sure this has fully changed my opinion, but he's done what he can and that's all that can be asked.  I hope there's a day soon when they both drink champagne or Shlitz or whatever Real Michigan Men drink to toast a BCS win.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:25 PM | Always beware of people who are responsible for (Score:1)
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developing the publicity for their own self-published book. It's in their interest to generate controversy. If Deren had stuck to proven fact and kept the Trent quote out of his magnum opus, nobody would be talking about him or his book. He got what he wanted out of it, and the Michigan football family was collateral damage. He doesn't give a shit; his affiliation is with Rutgers.


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May 10th, 2010 at 10:26 PM | Ladies and gentlemen, it's (Score:1)
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to ..... Apologiiiiize.

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:42 PM | I know that I have no reason to apologize to Coach Carr. (Score:1)
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I was screaming for Lloyd to make the statement that he did.  Not that Carr was evil.

I'd suggest that maybe it should be Morgan Trent apologizing, but Morgan is denying the substance of this fiasco as well.

So that leaves Bobby Deren.

 

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:02 PM | Carr didn't need to say anything (Score:1)
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He didn't need to make the statement because the material attributed to him was complete bs and without accurate context.

He did so because he is a stand up guy for the program.

I will say it again, Lloyd Carr deserved better.

Man, the offseason sucks.

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May 11th, 2010 at 9:25 AM | I didn't neg you...... (Score:1)
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but I disagree with you 100%. Coach Carr did need to say something ESPECIALLY because the statements attributed to him were BS.

He is an employee of the AD at the U of M. When an issue like this comes to light that you are involved in and it has the potential to drag the AD through the mud yet again, you definitely have an obligation to set the record straight IMHE.

It doesn't matter to me whether it is a previous coach who has been employed by the university for 30 years or a desk clerk who has worked for a month. If you are employed by the university and your name is brought up PUBLICLY in a situation that could cause more turmoil for the AD you have to step up and clear the air.

I will go one step further and say that I am not completely statisfied with his statement either. Coach Carr still hasn't clarified what he said, he simply said what he was quoted as saying is a distortion. We know the two talked and something was discussed, but have no idea what it was Coach Carr said.

I'm not implying he said anything against RR, but he could have easily said EXACTLY what he told MT, but chose not to.....

IME, people who simply said that coach Carr needed to step up and tell the world what he said have nothing to apologize for. People are always quick to say we owe Carr this and that for all he has done (and he has done a lot, don't get me wrong). However, I believe he owes the University a lot as well. After all, he has been very well compensated for the time he has given U of M.

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May 11th, 2010 at 10:43 AM | You need a .... (Score:1)
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Morgan Trent picture as the "Butt Kisser"...... Well done....

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May 11th, 2010 at 5:20 PM | THIS (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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Should have made it to the front page!

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:32 PM | MT a Michigan Man? (Score:1)
thekiddet3
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I've watched M football for 40 years, MT is NOT a Michigan Man in the sense of Bo‘s model! If he was we would not be addressing this RR bashing. Trent should be banished from the M tent! What makes it worse is that he brought a former coach into his distasteful argument and misquoted him to address his grievance.

 

Trent should not go away mad, he should just go away.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:37 PM | "why he chose to run this story in the first place" (Score:1)
Don
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You're asking a rhetorical question, right?


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May 10th, 2010 at 11:31 PM | I'd still like to see Snyder (Score:1)
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I'd still like to see Snyder fumbling his words while trying to come up with an answer to the full question, though. Nothing would be better than to catch him in a "Gotcha, Bitch!" moment.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:38 PM | This is exactly what needed (Score:1)
BigBlue02
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This is exactly what needed to happen. Now we are looking at one of two things - Morgan Trent looking like a dickbag or Bobby Deren looking like a dickbag. One of the two's pants are on fire. I seriously doubt this was some sort of "misunderstanding" between the two.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:42 PM | . . . or Rich Rodriguez (Score:1)
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. . . or Rich Rodriguez looking like a dickbag.

Or are we not ready for that one yet?

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:45 PM | AND/OR (Score:1)
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Not to nitpick too much, but this could be an AND rather than an OR.  It's still possible that he cut loose AND lied about it later.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:46 PM | No we're not ready for that one yet because there's no (Score:1)
Section 1
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goddamned reason to even suspect it. 

Let's see; in this particular game of telephone, involving (supposedly) Rich Rodriguez, Lloyd Carr, Morgan Trent, and Bobby Deren, we have Rodriguez, Carr and Trent all saying the story is untrue.  Let's not forget the unnamed NFL scout(s).  Who've never said anything, and probably never will, because nobody knows who the fuck they are.  Helluva story.

But Magnus, I think I'm ready for you "looking like a dickbag."

 

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:50 PM | Read blueheron's post above (Score:1)
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Read blueheron's post above yours.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:23 PM | I disagree with your characterization (Score:1)
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The story here was "RichRod badmouths Morgan Trent to NFL scouts, according to Lloyd Carr and Morgan Trent."  The clear implication is that a rift remains between Lloyd and RichRod.

RichRod has denied the statements reported in the book.  Trent has denied the account of the story in the book.  Lloyd Carr, the person who reportedly relayed the information to Trent, calls bullshit (and if you can think of a more unequivocal statement Carr has made in the last 20 years, I'd be surprised). And we have no statements from any named NFL sources. 

What we're left with seems an awful lot like the Free Press reporting of the practice time Jihad.  RichRod MAY have said things to scouts, and Michigan may have exceeded practice time.  But even if some of the underlying facts turned out to be accurate, that wouldn't make the reporting of the event any less bullshit.  Sure, RichRod may have said some negative stuff about Morgan Trent to scouts, but the parties involved have pretty much bitch-slapped the account in the book.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:28 PM | More unequivocal? (Score:1)
Yinka Double Dare
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How about: "Well that's a stupid question" *walks away*

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May 11th, 2010 at 10:25 AM | Section 1 (Score:1)
STW P. Brabbs
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Is far more skeptical about things being attributed to Rodriguez than he is about things Carr supposedly said through the same game of telephone. 

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May 11th, 2010 at 12:24 PM | No. You are comprehensively wrong about this. (Score:1)
Section 1
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Read what I wrote.  I said that I doubted the whole story, from the beginning; the whole thing was multiple hearsay. 

Then, what I said was that Carr happened to be in the perfect position to refute a story that was basically injurious to Rich Rodriguez.  And the reason that Carr ought to refute the story was for the good of the entire Michigan Athletic Department.  That it would be an easy thing for Carr to do.  Pick up the phone, and say, "The story is completely untrue."

Did you have problems in Reading Comprehension?

 

 

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:03 PM | That's just wrong, Magnus (Score:1)
might and main
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At *worst*, RR may have told scouts what he actually thought about Trent.  This whole fiasco is full of so much 2nd hand he said-she said that we have no idea who really said what.  Still, if we assume the worst, RR was honest about what he saw in Trent.  Is that a dickbag move?  I say no.  When I am asked for evaluations of former employees who are applying for other jobs, I won't mis-represent my evaluation of them.  There is a spectrum of how much information you can give, from 'no comment' to full didsclosure.  Who the hell knows what RR may or may not have really said, but as far as I'm concerned, there's no dickbag move there unless you assume he was somehow actively going out of his way to punk Trent.  Do you really think he was doing that?  If not, then there's really no possible dickbag tag on RR for this. 

God I'm getting sick of this shit.


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May 10th, 2010 at 11:09 PM | Don't misconstrue my (Score:1)
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Don't misconstrue my post:

I'm not saying that Rodriguez is a dickbag.  I'm saying that's one possible outcome.

Look, there are 1-4 people in this situation who aren't telling the truth.  I don't know which one(s) are lying.  But it's entirely possible that Rodriguez badmouthed Trent (which some people would say is wrong) and it's entirely possible that Rodriguez lied when he said "I said the complete opposite about Morgan and I wish him well." 

It's also entirely possible that he said very nice things about Morgan Trent and that he was 100% truthful when he responded to the alleged defamation.

I just think that in the list of possible dickbags, Rodriguez was conveniently left out.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:20 PM | And I'm saying (Score:1)
might and main
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the only way RR is a dickbag here is if he *actively* trashed Trent; and that I think the chances of that being true are very small.  But that's just my opinion and I know I could certainly be wrong.  I just don't think RR would go on the warpath like that, but I've never met the man. 

Look, here's what I think has happened.  A scout asked RR for his opinion of Trent.  RR told him the truth. (In my opinion, if he stayed toward the 'no comment' end of the spectrum, that is the honest and honorable thing to do all around.).  Trent heard RR trashed him.  Lloyd heard the same.  Lloyd and Trent talked about it.  An author who needs to make a name for himself ran with it.  And MGoBlog blew up.  Fuck we need some wins around here.  (But we shouldn't.)


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