You like to throw that around a lot
somehow we're only 124th
You like to throw that around a lot
I'm the designated board legal expert. I am also exceedingly conceited.
I almost think it would be worth the hassle of law school just to be able to bust out the, "Actually I am a lawyer," line when arguing on the Internet.
On the internet, no one can call your bluff.
Did I tell you I'm also a doctor, an architect, and a marine biologist?
The description, if true, sounds more like "two people in a fight" - "fighting words" are exchanged, the woman throws a punch, Hyde responds with a slap. Neither party is innocent.
Honestly unless significant injuries were inflicted this seems like the sort of thing the cops break up with no charges ultimately being pursued.
Nobody has ever slapped another person in self defense--in any definition (god's justice, common sense, truthful, etc.) that is worthwhile.
The way I heard the report was he walked up the steps, approached her and started arguing with her. Nobody knows what was said to her to cause her reaction, but he put himself in that situation by engaging her in an argumentative manner. Then he has his back to her when she swings towards him. At that time he has to turn around and re engage her which would be offensive. She didn't throw an all out attack on him ... she wasn't chasing after him. He could have just kept walking.
How many pounds and what sport does the woman play?
So i wonder what carlos was thinking when he saw a report saying video clearly indicates he's innocent? Did he just run with it? I'm so confused right now.
could(?) care less?
There's a reporter saying that she saw a video of you not caring less, though.
All you have to do is think about what that really means. If you could care less, that means you care at least a little bit, possibly a lot.
Please note the question marks, bolding of the word "could" and number of times this saying has been wrongly stated here.
So who was the source for the fake Yahoo story? The Yahoo reporter, who doesnt have the best rep, said there was only one anonomous source. They used to require two sources. Yet the fake video story gets picked up by every news outlet and said Hyde was innocent. Pretty amazing ...but you have to wonder who wanted to spread the fake story.
How do you know that the Yahoo story is fake?
As of now, there are multiple versions floating around that are contradictory, but no real evidence as to which one is correct.
because you're talking about a first hand report from a reputable reporter vs a yahoo reporter using an "anonymous" source. The yahoo reporter never saw the video and only speculalates that charges will be dropped. Also, of the first 20 stories on Google news saying that carlos hyde is innocent because of a video...every one of them is using the yahoo story as their source. these include fox, cbs, espn, etc
Right, there are two reports. Yahoo saying he didn't hit her and this local reporter saying he did. Outside of Yahoo's source and the reporter, no one has actually seen the video (aside from the police, I'd assume). So we have a simple he-said-she-said debate on an issue that we don't actually have enough information to make a judgment call on.
You choose to believe the local reporter over Yahoo, and as of now you've got a 50% chance of being right.
You dont get it. We have a local reporter with first hand visual evidence vs an anonymous source used by a somewhat disreputable yahoo reporter. you say these are equal in credibiliy? are you kidding? Now add to that that the police wouldnt even start an investgation unless there was some credible evidence. The yahoo story was a fake source. As background look into the ND rape case and while youre at it you should read "All The Presidents Men" to learn aboit vetting sources.
I don't get what? Have you seen the video? Has it been released? No. So right now there are two media outlets claiming two different things.
A football player was accused of drunkenly hitting a woman at bar a few night ago. This isn't a corruption investigation into the President of the United States. Have even the slightly patience and perspective and realize that more information is more than likely coming out.
But no, Yahoo clearly is wrong and there's no possible way this unimpeachable local reporter out of Columbus could be the wrong one. You're right. I'm the idiot for saying, "maybe this story that takes a complete 180 every 24 hours hasn't totally shaken out yet."
Unless you witnessed her view it, of course.
One camera angle does not guarantee that the whole story is told either.
You really think police won't start an investigation without credible evidence? They will arrest people for barking at dogs. Give me a break. The ND case has nothing to do with this, and I don't need to review "All the President's Men" to know I'm not taking lessons in vetting from you.
How about we wait and let people with access to whatever facts may exist rule on this. Sure, we can discuss it, we can postulate, but to state things as facts is a waste of our time, sell it to MLive.
The local reporter has claimed to have seen it four times, and was adamant about what she saw. If she is wrong her credibility is ruined (see: Braun, Ryan). If the yahoo guy is wrong he can simply say he had a bad source. She put everything on the line there. She is far more credible, and raises questions about what is going on behind the scenes in Columbus.
I missed that part of her report.
The fact that she appears credible does not mean much beyond the fact that she appears credible.Again, feel free to speculate, but don't start inventing facts where they don't exist.
that a local Columbus reporter would lie about seeing the video and say that Hyde slapped the women.
Bigfoot provided a nice summary of the credibility issues and how the anonymous source has none. If it's not clear, again the tv reporter has her reputation on the line. And it's a solid reputation. The Yahoo reporter doesn't have his reputation on the line...it's an anonymous source. Oh, and he's a MSU grad (just a fun jab).
Furthermore, "All the Presidents Men" as I stated before is a reference about how to vet sources. The Yahoo reporter didn't vet the source. The TV reporter didn't need to since she is now a source given her eyewitness viewing of the video (4 times). You don't need to take a lesson from me (your point) so I provided the book reference...but common sense on your part would be nice. As far as the ND case, the reference is about how those with a vested interest will plant stories to undermine the credibility of the original witnesses and do so in a very timely manner.
Finally, there was no question that the timing of the anonymous video source for the Yahoo story (before the official story was going to come out), the anonymity of the source, the lack of a corroborating source, and the reputation of the reporter (one who would more likley jump on the news rather than get all the facts. He's just a contributing writer. Credible media outlets with chief editors wouldn't have published this) follows the roadmap of a smear campaign. This was evident before the new video story came out. It’s interesting to discuss and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
If your point is that you prefer to wait until all the facts come out that's fine. Of course...no one is getting tried on MGoBlog. But you can do exactly that and wait by not bothering to read or post in this thread.
Prove this (with objective proof)
The yahoo story was a fake source
And I'll shut up. I am not suggesting we do not discuss it. I am not calling the reporter's credibility into question. I am not suggesting that the Yahoo reporter's anonymous source is credible source. I don't like tsiO, I despise Meyer. All I am asking is that people not invent things because it sounds good to them, and then come and try to pass it off as fact.
These two things can be reconciled. I'll bet the Yahoo police source told the reporter that there is a video and there won't be charges. Nothing more. The Yahoo reporter jumps to the conclusion that the video shows Hyde didn't hit anyone. The Internet runs with it. The NBC reporter sees the video and debunks that, but doesn't really have any more information about the case.
This kind of leaping to conclusions happens all the time -- most the of the prime examples are political, and it is a black art -- it's really shocking how easily the "media" (including the Internet) is manipulated. I don't see the Yahoo source as being manipulative here, just the Yahoo reporter making assumptions.
Charles Robinson has an excellent reputation as an investigative reporter. IIRC, he broke Tatgate and the Nevin Shapiro stories at Miami.
I laughed watching espn the other day,,, some talking head was asked how Ohio was going to miss Hyde after being dismissed for hitting a woman... His reponse, "They'll miss his PHYSICALITY."
I think it was Palmer or something...
Knew it sounded odd. Whatever the truth is maybe it will come out in the end or just go away. Either would be fine by me.
If she swung at him first then that's self defense. I bet he still gets suspended for a game or two though.
Just because someone takes a swing at you doesn't necessarily mean you can take a swing at them.
Uh, yeah. It absolutely does. You can't use undue force...i.e. punching them multiple times or kicking them while knocked out. If someone takes a swing at you, you have the right to defend yourself.
But you cannot retaliate. There's a difference.
Well the police obviously didn't arrest Hyde after seeing the video so I guess they agree with me.
I attended quite a bit of law school to learn about the law, and took a really, REALLY long test to prove I knew the law. And based on that, I'd like to provide my analysis of the situation:
She swung as he was walking away. He then turned around, walked back toward her, and slapped her. If you think that is self defense, in sorry, you're just ignorant (not necessarily an idiot).
Unless said person is female...
True, I have a 5 year old nephew who slapped me once. I wasn't having that so I slapped the shit out of him. DA couldn't press charges because of self defense. You know your shit.
Self defense and retaliation are not the same thing.
He probably deserved it. I think most five year olds are deserving of a good bitchslap from time to time.
Damn right he deserved it! Have I been arrested yet!? /Bucknuuutz'd
slapped another person--who is not at that time actively slapping him or her back--to protect themselves from physical harm?
CBSSports just tweeted that someone else saw the video and reported that he did not slap the woman. Glad this isn't our problem.
Did they draw a map?