landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
uncoincidentally, the wooing call of the buckeye football players
I'm going to go and Hyde until its all over...
Then again if the position of the person is chosen by election, they might get rewarded. Ohio St. fans aren't exactly known for understanding the boundaries between life and sport.
Has there been any confirmation that Hyde isn't going to be charged. The story exonerating him was just based on a quote from an anonymous source who may well be proven wrong about everything.
Well, that's why I said "could", isn't it?
but "Whoever decided not to charge Hyde" says to me that you believe that someone has already chosen not to charge Hyde.
Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports that Ohio State running back Carlos Hyde is not expected to face charges for the alleged assault of a woman at a Columbus nightclub over the weekend.
but we seem to have completely different ideas about what "confirmation" means. Quoting the original Yahoo story doesn't do it for me.
indicating that he will not be charged, I'm assuming he won't be. I presume anything else to be wishful thinking at this point. Can you really confirm that something will not happen, in any case?
Yes. The police can say their investigation is closed. The district attorney can say that he is not going to prosecute. Hyde's lawyer or OSU can confirm those things. That happens all the time, especially in high profile situations. What is this latest news you speak of indicating he will not be charged? I've seen outlets quoting the original Yahoo story, but nothing else.
the same thing that you refuse to do in the Yahoo! story. Doesn't it make more sense to assume that he won't be charged, if the latest reports say that he won't be charged, rather than assuming he will be charged, even though no reports of that nature have surfaced?
when you're getting information from people directly involved in the situation?
that someone could be in "big trouble" for not charging Hyde. I have never made an assertion that he is going to be charged, only that assuming that he won't be is premature. Was your your first sentence a joke? I find it hard to believe you really think there is little difference between an official statement from the police, district attorney or OSU than an anonymous source cited by a single reporter.
It'll be interesting to see how Urban responds to these new allegations the rest of this weekend.
Cover up blown?! I'm no conspiracy theorist but this is getting weird.
A cover up makes a lot of sense... The police are upset that Mindy saw the video, Urban making vague statements, an absurd amount of misinformation. I believe Mindy 100%. She is the only person who claims to have seen the video first hand, and was very detailed in her account. The stakes are extremely high for Hyde (life altering) so it would make sense to try to sweep this under the rug. Wild.
Grammar. Buckeye Nation! can haz all of it...
So the Yahoo story (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--source--club-video-shows-ohio-state-...) is just wrong? Color me shocked
Contacts at the CPD are allegedly upset that a media memeber has seen the video and disputes what a "source familiar with the investigation" tells a Yahoo! Sports reporter?
I'm glad she made the map. Next time I am in Columbus, I will add Sugar Bar 2 to my sight seeing list. "Kid's, this is where RB Carlos Hyde slapped a girl. This very spot."
Please Brian, uncap the scores so a post like this can get a 25 or 30.
but that he slapped her instead. If true, charges sound unlikely as it seems like any decent lawyer could argue self-defense.
Especially when the person doing the self-defending is significantly stronger than his assailant?
I honestly don't know. My believe is that if an assailant initates contact than you have the right to defend yourself, regardless of the difference in strength.
Ideally, Hyde should've just taken her hit and walked away, but legally isn't this a case of self-defense? MGoLawyers?
Legal or not, Urban has to make the call (if he actually slapped her) on whether or not he should represent the buckeyes. Just bc he's not found guilty of a crime would you want someone like that on your team? How can you look your wife/daughter in the eye? Is football that important?
You're just as bad as Urban Meyer. You are making this all about football. These guys are bringing up some decent legal (as in shit that actually matters in real life) arguments/comments/questions.
Yet because they are not bashing the kid, they aren't allowed to voice an opinion?
Hitting a woman is wrong on all accounts. But I would think this is legally a much bigger deal than it is football-wise. No one ever said they shouldn't be kicked off the team. Just mentioned it may be a case of "self defense." Your assumptions are putting words in their mouths.
Should we discuss the ten thousand other cases of domestic violence that have occurred over the last couple of days, or just stick to the ones that relate to football?
Well, then to this point- the majority of this depends on eye witness testimony. If an overwhelming majority state that this woman was acting belligerent, then he's probably in decent shape. If folks are saying he's just as guilty in the confrontation, then they're both in trouble but he's got a lot more to lose.
Seriously, it all depends on the police report and eye witness testimony.
Not sure if your comments are justly aimed at me, but that's my $0.02 on the legality of it.
No, they we're not aimed just at you. I am sorry for not clarifying that.
[EDIT]: And thanks for your input.
the child? That's awfully Old Testament of you.
Defending yourself in this instance would be to block the slap, not to slap which is by nature an offensive act. I could understand such a response if the assailant was a man of roughly equal size or in possession of a weapon, but that was not the case here.
most kids are self-righteous assholes.
My favorite comment of the day!
This is the wrong month for discussions of self-defense.
defend against any attack by Person 1, regardless of the attributes of the assailant or the attack, as long as the defensive response is proportionate to the offensive attack. That's how I view self-defense law but I'm no lawyer. That's just how I think it should be ideally.
it is your belief that an adult has every right to punch the child?What if it was an mentally disabled person?
I fundamentally disagree with you. I happen to think the physical and mental state of the person should be considered. As my father always told me, walk away. Remove yourself from the situation--especially when the assailant is smaller than you.
In all likelihood, no. If no threat is posed, a defensive response is inherently non-existent and therefore any response is inherently offensive.
The same situation applies to mentally handicapped people. However, mental handicaps do not preclude the person from physical strength. A mentally handicapped person can still do physical damage to a person. A person has the right to self-defense if a threat is posed, regardless of the attributes of the assailant.
what about a threatening mentally disabled child?
but my wife works with a school board here in Nova Scotia. As a result of a human rights challange a number of years ago, all school age children have the right to an education with their peers and so inclusion was born (I won't speak about whether I agree or disagree with that).
Now we have kids of various age and size in our schools that pose a very real threat to the school population. My wife is one of those that puts plans in place to try to deal with those threats, but of course no plans are perfect.
It happens on a fairly frequent basis that PSA's (program support assistants who work with the children with special needs) are injured as a result of being hit, kicked, slapped, pinched, bit, etc. Given the environment the human rights tribunal made, we have had to come to terms with the fact that while violence toward employees is never acceptable, it isn't necessarily unexpected.
Now, you are trying to imply (but do not outright say) that self defense is a person not just defending themself, but hitting the other party back. I think that is key in these instances as we train our school staff in non-violent crisis intervention so that they can defend themselves without harming the person perpetrating the act.
Anyway, that was a long winded way of saying I disagree with you (and all others who shared the opinion) that slapping someone after you have avoided an attempted asault is self defense. You have already defended yourself by avoiding the contact from the slap, punch, kick, etc. I guess if the person was coming with hands flying in every direction that would change things, but there are many ways to defend yourself without being violent toward the other party.
... and then there's being a 242 pound semi-pro athlete slapping a woman at a bar. He may have been within his legal rights, but you just don't hit women. You just don't.
Of course, a man should never hit a woman. However, he may be legally protected in this case.
I know you're a lawyer, so if you'd like to chime in and educate us, please do.
You like to throw that around a lot
I'm the designated board legal expert. I am also exceedingly conceited.
I almost think it would be worth the hassle of law school just to be able to bust out the, "Actually I am a lawyer," line when arguing on the Internet.
On the internet, no one can call your bluff.
Did I tell you I'm also a doctor, an architect, and a marine biologist?
The description, if true, sounds more like "two people in a fight" - "fighting words" are exchanged, the woman throws a punch, Hyde responds with a slap. Neither party is innocent.
Honestly unless significant injuries were inflicted this seems like the sort of thing the cops break up with no charges ultimately being pursued.
Nobody has ever slapped another person in self defense--in any definition (god's justice, common sense, truthful, etc.) that is worthwhile.
The way I heard the report was he walked up the steps, approached her and started arguing with her. Nobody knows what was said to her to cause her reaction, but he put himself in that situation by engaging her in an argumentative manner. Then he has his back to her when she swings towards him. At that time he has to turn around and re engage her which would be offensive. She didn't throw an all out attack on him ... she wasn't chasing after him. He could have just kept walking.
How many pounds and what sport does the woman play?
So i wonder what carlos was thinking when he saw a report saying video clearly indicates he's innocent? Did he just run with it? I'm so confused right now.
could(?) care less?
There's a reporter saying that she saw a video of you not caring less, though.
All you have to do is think about what that really means. If you could care less, that means you care at least a little bit, possibly a lot.
Please note the question marks, bolding of the word "could" and number of times this saying has been wrongly stated here.
So who was the source for the fake Yahoo story? The Yahoo reporter, who doesnt have the best rep, said there was only one anonomous source. They used to require two sources. Yet the fake video story gets picked up by every news outlet and said Hyde was innocent. Pretty amazing ...but you have to wonder who wanted to spread the fake story.
How do you know that the Yahoo story is fake?
As of now, there are multiple versions floating around that are contradictory, but no real evidence as to which one is correct.
because you're talking about a first hand report from a reputable reporter vs a yahoo reporter using an "anonymous" source. The yahoo reporter never saw the video and only speculalates that charges will be dropped. Also, of the first 20 stories on Google news saying that carlos hyde is innocent because of a video...every one of them is using the yahoo story as their source. these include fox, cbs, espn, etc
Right, there are two reports. Yahoo saying he didn't hit her and this local reporter saying he did. Outside of Yahoo's source and the reporter, no one has actually seen the video (aside from the police, I'd assume). So we have a simple he-said-she-said debate on an issue that we don't actually have enough information to make a judgment call on.
You choose to believe the local reporter over Yahoo, and as of now you've got a 50% chance of being right.
You dont get it. We have a local reporter with first hand visual evidence vs an anonymous source used by a somewhat disreputable yahoo reporter. you say these are equal in credibiliy? are you kidding? Now add to that that the police wouldnt even start an investgation unless there was some credible evidence. The yahoo story was a fake source. As background look into the ND rape case and while youre at it you should read "All The Presidents Men" to learn aboit vetting sources.
I don't get what? Have you seen the video? Has it been released? No. So right now there are two media outlets claiming two different things.
A football player was accused of drunkenly hitting a woman at bar a few night ago. This isn't a corruption investigation into the President of the United States. Have even the slightly patience and perspective and realize that more information is more than likely coming out.
But no, Yahoo clearly is wrong and there's no possible way this unimpeachable local reporter out of Columbus could be the wrong one. You're right. I'm the idiot for saying, "maybe this story that takes a complete 180 every 24 hours hasn't totally shaken out yet."
Unless you witnessed her view it, of course.
One camera angle does not guarantee that the whole story is told either.
You really think police won't start an investigation without credible evidence? They will arrest people for barking at dogs. Give me a break. The ND case has nothing to do with this, and I don't need to review "All the President's Men" to know I'm not taking lessons in vetting from you.
How about we wait and let people with access to whatever facts may exist rule on this. Sure, we can discuss it, we can postulate, but to state things as facts is a waste of our time, sell it to MLive.
The local reporter has claimed to have seen it four times, and was adamant about what she saw. If she is wrong her credibility is ruined (see: Braun, Ryan). If the yahoo guy is wrong he can simply say he had a bad source. She put everything on the line there. She is far more credible, and raises questions about what is going on behind the scenes in Columbus.
I missed that part of her report.
The fact that she appears credible does not mean much beyond the fact that she appears credible.Again, feel free to speculate, but don't start inventing facts where they don't exist.
that a local Columbus reporter would lie about seeing the video and say that Hyde slapped the women.
Bigfoot provided a nice summary of the credibility issues and how the anonymous source has none. If it's not clear, again the tv reporter has her reputation on the line. And it's a solid reputation. The Yahoo reporter doesn't have his reputation on the line...it's an anonymous source. Oh, and he's a MSU grad (just a fun jab).
Furthermore, "All the Presidents Men" as I stated before is a reference about how to vet sources. The Yahoo reporter didn't vet the source. The TV reporter didn't need to since she is now a source given her eyewitness viewing of the video (4 times). You don't need to take a lesson from me (your point) so I provided the book reference...but common sense on your part would be nice. As far as the ND case, the reference is about how those with a vested interest will plant stories to undermine the credibility of the original witnesses and do so in a very timely manner.
Finally, there was no question that the timing of the anonymous video source for the Yahoo story (before the official story was going to come out), the anonymity of the source, the lack of a corroborating source, and the reputation of the reporter (one who would more likley jump on the news rather than get all the facts. He's just a contributing writer. Credible media outlets with chief editors wouldn't have published this) follows the roadmap of a smear campaign. This was evident before the new video story came out. It’s interesting to discuss and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
If your point is that you prefer to wait until all the facts come out that's fine. Of course...no one is getting tried on MGoBlog. But you can do exactly that and wait by not bothering to read or post in this thread.
Prove this (with objective proof)
The yahoo story was a fake source
And I'll shut up. I am not suggesting we do not discuss it. I am not calling the reporter's credibility into question. I am not suggesting that the Yahoo reporter's anonymous source is credible source. I don't like tsiO, I despise Meyer. All I am asking is that people not invent things because it sounds good to them, and then come and try to pass it off as fact.
These two things can be reconciled. I'll bet the Yahoo police source told the reporter that there is a video and there won't be charges. Nothing more. The Yahoo reporter jumps to the conclusion that the video shows Hyde didn't hit anyone. The Internet runs with it. The NBC reporter sees the video and debunks that, but doesn't really have any more information about the case.
This kind of leaping to conclusions happens all the time -- most the of the prime examples are political, and it is a black art -- it's really shocking how easily the "media" (including the Internet) is manipulated. I don't see the Yahoo source as being manipulative here, just the Yahoo reporter making assumptions.
Charles Robinson has an excellent reputation as an investigative reporter. IIRC, he broke Tatgate and the Nevin Shapiro stories at Miami.
I laughed watching espn the other day,,, some talking head was asked how Ohio was going to miss Hyde after being dismissed for hitting a woman... His reponse, "They'll miss his PHYSICALITY."
I think it was Palmer or something...
Knew it sounded odd. Whatever the truth is maybe it will come out in the end or just go away. Either would be fine by me.
If she swung at him first then that's self defense. I bet he still gets suspended for a game or two though.
Just because someone takes a swing at you doesn't necessarily mean you can take a swing at them.
Uh, yeah. It absolutely does. You can't use undue force...i.e. punching them multiple times or kicking them while knocked out. If someone takes a swing at you, you have the right to defend yourself.
But you cannot retaliate. There's a difference.
Well the police obviously didn't arrest Hyde after seeing the video so I guess they agree with me.
I attended quite a bit of law school to learn about the law, and took a really, REALLY long test to prove I knew the law. And based on that, I'd like to provide my analysis of the situation:
She swung as he was walking away. He then turned around, walked back toward her, and slapped her. If you think that is self defense, in sorry, you're just ignorant (not necessarily an idiot).
Unless said person is female...
True, I have a 5 year old nephew who slapped me once. I wasn't having that so I slapped the shit out of him. DA couldn't press charges because of self defense. You know your shit.
Self defense and retaliation are not the same thing.
He probably deserved it. I think most five year olds are deserving of a good bitchslap from time to time.
Damn right he deserved it! Have I been arrested yet!? /Bucknuuutz'd
slapped another person--who is not at that time actively slapping him or her back--to protect themselves from physical harm?
CBSSports just tweeted that someone else saw the video and reported that he did not slap the woman. Glad this isn't our problem.
Did they draw a map?
So the Freemasons are behind all of this? I knew it!
We can assume Hyde put his arm back towards the woman, and made contact with her face. Whether this was accidental contact or a deliberate slap is open to interpretation.
I'm sure there were eye witnesses. Isn't that enough? If the video isn't conclusive...
maybe a dozen of Hyde's friends were among the eye-witnesses. And the girls friends were there as well. Good luck sorting through those statements.
This story has more twists than a Christopher Nolan movie. Or an old fashion film noir for those of you that like the classics. Or a glazed twist donut for those of you who like donuts, which should be all of you, mmhmmm donuts...
Bottom line is that if a woman strikes you then you walk away, you don't hit back. There's no way he was hurt by her and no need for him to defend himself by striking back. Walk away.
Unless you fear for your safety, the smart move when anyone hits you is to walk away. Macho crap just escalates the situation, especially if you are a high profile person, and pulls you into the legal mess.
I was once punched in the face by a lesbian in a bar parking lot. I walked away and punched my friend through a car window because he was laughing at me so hard.
I have no idea how to judge your actions in this situation. But damn I wish I was there to see it.
you are permitted to 'Stand your Ground' when your friend is having "joy, laughter, or undue enjoyment due to your unfortutitous situation."
Let the guy get a game or two suspension. I want him on the team when we kick the shit out of them this year. No excuses.
He was just swatting at flies. She got in the way.
is going on.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!
That's crazy! You mean to say there is an unbiased journalist in Columbus?
He could be biased against OSU for the attention. There's been more than one sports journalist who made hay by riling up the locals.
The unbiased reporting stopped right after her report when they tossed to Sports Director, Jerod Smalley, who had a hilariously homer point of view setting up his next piece
No coach at Big 10 media day in Chicago garnered more attention or curiosity than Urban Meyer. 2nd place was not even close, and that’s for two reasons: “A” Ohio State is a heavy favorite to win the Big 10 this season and “B” four player discipline incidents over the past week which have grabbed national headlines.
Yes, Jerod, the buckeyes "won" the attention award as "2nd place was not even close!" Hear that Bucknuts? It was a blowout! While the rest of the programs didn't realize there was a competition for attention, your El Camino was the pace car! Get out the urine bucket and hand sanitizer, because it's time to celebrate with a head dunk!
He follows that by claiming the reason for all the attention was because: " 'A' Ohio State is a heavy favorite to win the Big 10 this season and “B” four player discipline incidents..."
Uh, Jerod I think that's A - because of the four player discipline incidents, B - those same said incidents, C - Florida player discipline incidents, D - back to OSU incidents, E - Aaron Hernandez, F - - questions about recent buckstache incidents...
Without all the legal munbo jumbo, a dude shouldn't hit a lady that didn't hit him.
At first I thought Urban would suspend him until their first tough game...but that would be almost the whole season.
Logic, if there is nothing to see on the video why would there be any reason to be concerned over it being seen? You only hide the truth if there is something to hide. Let's just see the video and end this.
More logic: if there was nothing to be seen on the video why would any individual feel the need to leak it to the media?
exactly. This whole situation is fishy. With Ohio under as much scrutiny as they are you're going to hide the evidence that could prove innocence. I was born at night but not last night.
so do the writers from bleacherreport.com work for yahoo's fact checking department now?
Why is this video so top secret? When pacman slapped a chick at a bar the video was out right away.
If there's a video with strippers in it, it's going to find its way on to the internet toot sweet.
I heard that the woman hit Hyde so hard that he went into an immediate fugue state. His delusion-fueled attempt at self defense took the form of a swing that was so stronge it bent the space-time continuum. His punch ultimately landing in the Ford's Theater in 1865, crashing through the back of then Pres. Lincoln's head.
Basically, Hyde assassinated arguably our greatest president and let another man hang for it. That's good for at least a 2 game suspension.
Well yeah, I can imagine why they'd be upset. Sure seems like they got caught not telling the whole story
confused, Hyde was never charged, so there were no charges to 'drop'. If you meant that they have declined to press charges, has this been confimed or just in the yahoo story where it says they didn't expect charges?
The authorities never delcared no crime and dropped charges. Only the Yahoo reporter speculated that charges would be dropped (or never brought) and that Yahoo reporter was referenced by all the other main media outlets. The authorities are upset because someone leaked the video they had not finished investigating. The authorities, even when they are beyond reproach, always want to make sure the correct and most accurate story is reported and they can only do that if they take their time reviewing the evidence.
Police don't actually "press" or "drop" charges. Police take the reports of what happened, gather all the evidence they can find and then bring their findings to a prosecutorial agency. It's the prosecutorial agency that decides whether to charge a person with committing a crime.
Of course, the decision of the prosecutors is only as good as the evidence they are presented with by the police.
when a policeman pulls over a drunk driver and places them under arrest, they aren't 'pressing' charges?????? A million more examples would suffice to say that yes, police do in fact press charges on criminals.
If she really did hit him first I have no issue with him returning the favor. Just because you have that magic box between your legs doesn't mean you can disrespect me in such a way. Simple as that.
The law also has an issue with women hitting men.
If you've been stomped by some chicks I suggest you seek counseling.
Nope never have. Speaking from experiences I have seem in ly personal life.
Im really hoping this is sarcasm. if not I feel sorry for you.
I really don't see the issue with what I said. In no way am I saying beat her to a bloody pulp or anything of the like, no woman or man should ever hit the opposite sex but if it does happen I don't see the issue with hitting her/him back. It's a mutual respect thing. In my experience with women in college they often feel like they have the right to strike you and you can't defend yourself. That's bull shit, simple as that .
Whether it's in college or the trailer park, if women "often feel like they have the right to strike you," I'm guessing the women aren't the source of the problem.
A women has never felt like they have had the right to hit me, if they Did I would have been hit by a woman already in my 19 years of life. Like I said there's always a mutual respect between women and myself. When it comes to women hitting men I'm speaking from seeing my female cousin often hit her husband for the smallest things.
How many people on here can't see the difference between defending yourself and hitting someone? I (and probably no one else on here) would have an issue with you defending yourself against an attack by a woman. She comes at you to slap you, you move aside or grab her hand maybe...you don't whack her back.
They appeared to have an argument, which appeared to be instigated by Hyde. She attempted to, or did slap him. He slapped her back. Contrary to what has previously been rumored, no one got knocked out or punched in the face. Also, Hyde didn't act unilaterally.
To me this appears to be on of those teaching moments in life for both parties (i.e., not a career ending event). Should he have done what he did, ever? No. But there is such a thing as heat of the moment and "fight or flight" when you adrenaline is up. In this case he appears not to have done the right thing like we were thinking with the release of the Yahoo report.
In Carlos' case, if there is a major team value statement about respecting women, well he clearly has broken a major team value, and therefore some consquence is in order. Publically, since the case is public.
My view - the best thing for Mgoblog to do here is let the police, the DA, and OSU figure this out, while we mind our own business.
a combination of Alvin York and Audie Murphy, a Leonidas on steroids...what a tough S.O.B. you are. Slapping the shit out of a woman because she disrespected you assuredly places you in the glorious panthenon of notable toughies such as Sean Penn, Charlie Sheen, and Mel Gibson.
I have never put my hand on a woman, I never have had to because its a mutual respect between us always. I never said slapping her chin off of her face or anything like that. Maybe a better way to put it is grabbing her up and restraining her.
Yes........that's a much better way of putting it........
Seeing as in how you are a woman I'm guessing by your username could you please tell me the best way to deal with it. I don't see walking away working. Women tend to hit more than once.
Dude, seriously, I don't know who you're dating, but I can honestly tell you, I know no woman who has ever hit a guy. But yes, I think walking away is the best way to deal with an irate woman. Just keep walking.
It's never the women I date. I never said it was an issue with the women I see. I live in Columbus and date mostly black women who never disrespect me in anyway thankfully. I'm speaking more from what I see in my friends dating lives and family members. They all seem to end up with irate, vicious women.
I have a friend who lost half of his ear because he looked at the butt of some chick at cedar point. His woman is responsible for that. Maybe its just the demographic of the women my friends and family date. I know not all women are like this. I have never been in a relationship with one that was.
And I promise I take that advice to just walk away. Seems like it is the popular opinion.
Walking away is the smartest move. That said, I've seen many women hit guys. Obviously, all women don't do this, but some seem to think it's okay to hit a guy if they are unhappy.
you seem big on respect, but I can assure you that you aren't garnering any with these opinions of yours.
one of life's goals. I believe I have met a true-to-life pimp. What color mink coat are you wearing? Church!!!
Pink but I like to alternate with blue from time to time.
slogan on the wall means anything at all then yes, slapping a women should get you kicked off one of his teams.
If the video is inconclusive, doesn't the call on the field stand?
the current call on the field to uphold? This situation makes the Seahawks/Packers game look well officiated.
I'm just gonna guess nothing will come of this. Urban/Ohio seem to get away with anything and everything...thats just the way things are. I don't like it, but nothing I can do about it. This world we live in is more about who you know than what you know.
to see the full video for myself in the thread saying Hyde was innocent, as I was at least a little suspicious that there might be a cover up of some kind going on. Of course, we have different sources now saying different things, so who knows what the truth actually is unless we see the video for ourselves.
One so-called source (saying Hyde did not assault the woman) was a second hand report providing no plausible description of what happened and insisting on remaining completely anonymous.
The other source (saying Hyde did assault the woman) comes from a respected NBC reporter, who saw the video 1st hand, stuck out her neck and put her own credibility on the line on TV. She described in detail how Hyde struck the victim in the face. The victim immediately put her hands on her face and then was consoled by people around her.
It makes me wonder if the first report--which appeared almost immediately in all the major news sources--was an attempt to pre-empt and cast doubt on later, far more credible reports. It's the kind of thing a PR department would concoct. And Ohio spends a huge amount on PR (at least 7 figures each year)
Considering the risk she's taking, I also believe the reporter. She might as well start looking for new employment if she proves to be the reason that The OSU PR machine's lame excuse wasn't just accepted as gospel.
I also noticed that the WWL didn't run any new stories when the report of Hyde's "innocence" was released yesterday. Kirk Herbstreit may be feeding them information from his old contacts in CBus because he doesn't want his network to end up with egg on its face. I'm sure Buckeye Nation just writes it off as more ESPN hatred for OSU.
Is it possible that the women plays/played soccer in Europe and that he never touched her? Maybe she is just trying to get him red carded?
Will the video be released if charges are filed/not filed?
If so, please do not make it a GIF!
That isn't true. Look at how much time people spent on Alabama's locker room with and without waterfalls.
I'm Rick James bitch!
Hyde the Video!
How totally and thoroughly disappointed I am in some of the misogynistic caveman bullshit in this thread?
Not to mention, I'm not sure I've ever seen a thread before with so many questions about when and to what extent it is appropriate to hit children and the mentally handicapped.
But it's totally cool to hit them, as long as they hit me first, right? Like, legally, I mean. I get that it's not cool. But I'm totally in the right to hit them back, in the eyes of the law. Even in the face.
Here's the legal deal. Self-defense is a legitimate defense for assault IF:
Here, IF THINGS ARE AS REPORTED IN THIS LATEST STORY, then Hyde really doesn't have a defense. He's a large and very strong football player, so there is probably no way he faced an objective threat of harm from an unarmed female. It's hard to imagine he felt threatened by her, again given his size and football-ness. And most importantly, HE COULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. Again, large, strong male with a group of other males being "attacked" by a single female.
But she attacked him first. Doesn't that mean something?
Yes, it does. They BOTH committed assault.
Thanks for this. I apologize deeply for the things on this thread I have said, I had no idea this is how the law works. I figured it was just you hit me and I have the right to hit you n return. I don't want anyone to think or feel like I'm some woman beating, brain dead lunatic of anything of the like. I apologize. Just quite confused by the things I have seen in my personal life and with how the law works along these lines.
I leave you with the wisdom of Chris Rock:
You know what they say, "There's no reason to ever hit a woman." Shit! There's a reason to hit everybody. You just don't do it. Shit, there's a reason to kick an old man down a flight of stairs. You just don't do it.
Yeah, I will definetly keep and use this advice. I really appreaciate it.
Thanks. Out of curiosity, how often are both assailants charged in similar cases? And if you have the breakdown by man vs. man, man vs. woman, woman vs. woman, that'd be interesting as well, although probably unavailable.
Also, how would the situation differ if this took place in a "Stand your ground" state?
I don't have any stats, but my guess would be that typically, unless someone is injured or one party really wants to push the issue, these things tend to go away.
In a "stand your ground" state, everything would be the same, except the obligation to retreat (if possible) wouldn't exist. In other words, he's still have to be threatened and feel threatened, but he wouldn't have to walk away if it were an option.
(Lawnerd follow-up: in some states, "stand your ground" also shifts the burden of proof for self-defense cases. In those states, the accused has to present a prima facia case that they acted in self-defense, and then the burden is on the state to prove that the accused DIDN'T act in self defense.)
site updates, though, so you can be called to service whenever the Board needs you. Anyways, thanks for explaining it. I find this stuff interesting, even if I don't know what I'm talking about.
Just culling from the dankest nugs of the shittiest fanbase in all of sports. Misogyny, victim blaming, and minimization ahoy!
A selection of comments from various Eleven Warriors stories about the Hyde incident (horrific grammar and spelling obviously not mine):
"The bitch is the agressor, but if Drayer's story is correct then [Hyde will] probably miss a couple games."
"Anyway in reference to hitting a chick there are exceptions."
"I hate the fact that he might have thrown away his season. There's very few circumstances when hitting a female is warranted"
"I hate when women assault a man, then hide behind their gender when there might be consequences."
"The fact that she went on vacation immediately AFTER that shows that the ordeal couldn't have been that serious."
"It was so serious that she put a young mans future in jepoardy yet she couldnt delay her vacation?"
"How about just be held accountable for her actions?"
"Women should really think about what they do or say about crying assault or rape."
"I think too many times we give the female species "free passes" on things of this nature."
"I thing she was entitled to get slapped."
As a social worker who has worked with male perpetrators of domestic violence...this is the kind of shit that they say all of the time. Always her fault.
In summation: fuck Ohio State forever and ever. And if you say or think any of these things, fuck you too.
A fanbase just beyond parody
Imagine the unease in the Columbus PD right now..."we had this whole thing under control until this stupid reporter started digging into our shit. Someone send Urban a gift package so we can still have all-access passes to every home game.
Whoa, this is fun-- let me try
Ohio is in full cover up mode. They have Robinson put out the bogus report. This upsets her police officer father, who has heard from his cop friends in Columbus exactly what is on the tape. He and the nbc4 reporter are friends. (They reportedly live in the same city.) He has his friend in Columbus PD show his friend the news reporter the video, and she does a special report from her home.
She implied the PD wanted her to see it to clear the air, while the PD is supposedly upset that she saw it.
Why her, and why is she reporting from home on her day off?
Her demeanor was almost vindictive, and she is reportedly a bucks fan.
Let's hear more!
I had the exact same scenario in mind. I think you have this one pegged pretty well here. Especially the convenient timing of her "vacation".
The first news story was an intentional attempt to pre-empt any subsequent unfavorable reports, which would have been far more newsworthy, and spread like wildfire had they appeared first.
Note that the favorable, but probably false, news of Hyde's innocence appeared almost immediately and simultaneously across all the major news sites. Such simultaneity would occur if the Ohio PR department released the story directly to multiple sources.
By contrast, after the unfavorable NBC news story about Ohio--and Hyde--the news has been very slow to appear. Already pre-empted, it then appears not to be the same fresh "news" but only a rebuttal of a prior news story.
If this is indeed Ohio's PR strategy, it thus far has seemed to work. Cursory readers have not noted that the first story was from a secondary source of uncertain veracity who did not describe the video and insisted on anonymity. They either did not hear the second story or realize that it was from a far more reliable, primary source---a respected journalist who provided great detail about what she actually saw.
As a resident of this town, I have been subjected to many a broadcast by Mindy Drayer. She is, without a question, one of the biggest Bucknut slappies around these here parts. If she says that Hyde made contact with a person, girl or boy, you can flat book it. If it maybe happened, she would have said it didn't. At all. Per Urban's strict discipline guidelines, Hyde will be suspended until Ohio plays a game that matters. Then, and only then, will Carlos Hyde redeem himself in Urban's extraordinarily critical eyes. Just like that Patriot guy did. Just like that.
May be a slappie, but her report was obviously biased. For example, she said "It appears Carlos Hyde says something derogatory." How would she know that? Purely speculation as it's not an audio tape. Also said it looked like the girl didn't make contact with Hyde...if the girl missed I highly doubt Hyde would have turned around.
It doesnt matter if she missed, he still assaulted her if he slapped her.
It appears they both assaulted each other...which will likely result in the girl dropping the case.
MODS**** We need to adjust this guys point total so he doesnt neg bomb the whole site when he hits 100 points.
Says the founding member with a whopping 196 posts.
Do you always engage people like this when you may or may not feel bad about a situation? Why do you feel the need to convince us of your reality? You have plenty of people on Ohio websites who would readily agree with everything you say. My guess is you are unable to quell your dissonance, so you try convincing others of your ideal outcome to feel better. Everyone on this site is going to disagree with everything you say. If you honestly believe what you are posting, enjoy the piece of mind knowing you are right and go about your business.
He's had his account less than a year...
1. the reporter has always been a big buckeye fan
2. from a tape, lip movements and facial expressions, you often can make out words being said or at least their tone
3. Hyde and his friends had been pointing at the victim, who was in close proximity, which is pretty inappropriate even without words and
4. Not long after pointing at the victim and speaking to her for a few minutes, she tried to slap him. When a girl tries to slap your face, most guys would not take it as a bodily threat but as a useful reminder that they're acting like jerks.
5. The reporter does not say for sure if the girl made contact with her slap, as you claim in your bias argument.
6. Whether she did or did not make contact is irrelevant to Hyde's attack, since he was not defending himself but walked away and then came back to intentionally hit her without further provocation. That clearly is an assault.
Urbz needs to ask himself is.....if this were my daughter that got slapped in the face (by a football player), how would it be handled??? Especially say if his daughter went to UM, MSU, or UF. I wonder if it would be looked upon differently. I know, as a health care worker, I always force myself to look at things in that perspective..."if this were my family member, how would I handle this...?"
It will be interesting to see how urbz handles this.
That would add a wild dimension to the rivalry if one of our players slapped Urban's daughter.
Yeah, in that I'd be embarrassed for our team and expect that said player would be booted off the team ASAP and curbstomped by Lewan and Pipkins on the way out for hitting a woman.
Urban made it clear that for him, football comes before family.
You just don't hit girls ever. Almost every dude has been slapped by a girl once for saying something stupid. Just walk away man. I'm not surprised their fan base is ok with this and praying Hyde plays since morals don't matter in Ohio.
What was your opinion on Frank Clark missing one game for a felony?
It could have been worse - at least he didn't hit a female.
The anonymous Yahoo source was the same B1G instant replay official that has been reviewing Michigan replays the last few years...
Do any of those replays ever go in our favor?
Note: I am not poking fun at what is definitely a terrible (alleged) act, I am merely discouraged by the ineptitude of people charged with making sure truth and justice prevail.
I only opened this to say:
STOP FRETTING OVER THE BUCKEYES!!!!
we look pathetic following this story with our popcorn...
love you all,
The REAL Carlos Danger?