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Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
(Tribute to Haloscan. I have absolutely nothing of value to add.)
I hate that guy, but that's a funny gif.
FOR ME TO POOP ON!
Anyone know what this is about yet?
We have word that there's one more bit of bad news to drop. Luckily, it's not on the scale of Hyde or Roby's alleged transgressions.
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) July 22, 2013
Your post split a double post
Absolutely pathetic... I hope the girl is ok and I hope both Roby and Hyde get what they deserve. Embarrassing
On eleven warrors guys are all "well goodbye National Title Hopes." Hyde had like a 1000 yards last year and is good, but hardly super dominant. Or maybe they don't have any depth?
returning 1000 yard rusher man. Yeah, he is not like Emmett Smith or somebody but would it have hurt quite a bit to lose Mike Hart or Chris Perry going into their senior year. Yeah, I would say this is a pretty substantial loss.
I read elsewhere that Hyde was really the only RB to really consistently display the ability to do things for Miller, like lead block on QB running plays. The other RBs flash ability, but either don't have the full compliment of skills yet or just aren't consistent at executing.
He was a huge asset and by the end of the year last year he was playing like the best running back in the Big Ten. There is depth, though, with Rod Smith, Dunn and Ball. Smith will likely get the nod as he has shown glimpses of being a very good back but has had fumble issues. Dunn and Ball are both very young and unproven. It is also a possibility that Jordan Hall moves back to the true RB position from his hybrid role. If that happens, there would not be much of a talent drop off (if any) at the RB position but it takes a very dynamic player out of the hybrid position.
On eleven warrors guys are all "well goodbye National Title Hopes."
All is not lost. They can still win the Fullmer Cup.
That has to really suck hard for Ohio fans. Imagine that Toussant or Green and Countess were dismissed the team today. Would certainly dampen my week(month) a little bit.
Shall we dispatch you to Columbus with tissues? p.s. this is nothing like losing Green as he is a recruit that we have never seen in uniform or play a college game. He could be a superstar, bust, or average. Yes on Fitz or Blake.
observation, that is all.
UM did lose Countess and Toussaint last year
Epic avatar sir btw
How do all these kids get into so much trouble at bars? It seems like other athletes and students are fine in bars.
I remember in the ESPN 30 for 30, Broke, a psychologist said NFL players feel the need to attract attention to themselves in social settings (bars,clubs,parties) since they get so much attention on the field, yet play behind a mask. No one knows their face and it causes them to attract attention.
wrote and sang a song about it...
Do football players get in trouble at a higher rate than the general student body, though?
It's easy for us to think of examples of players getting into drunken fights, but that could easily be the fault of the availability heuristic. That SI expose about football players getting arrested was brought up around here recently, which was definitely a situation of saying "look at how much trouble these guys get into!" But the numbers actually showed that they get arrested at a lower rate than their non-athlete peers, SI just completely misunderstood their own data.
I've never seen a bar fight and I was out every weekend (graduated this spring)
Have you seen any football players get in bar fights, though?
I'm guessing you don't have the numbers as to whether it happens more frequently with football players. Just that you hear about it when it happens because they're football players.
I don't know. I'm not saying you're wrong, but without going to the data and just going off of what I see in the media in general that just doesn't ring true to me. There are a lot of sports in university where the players are well known and I can't tell you the last time I heard of a bunch of Hockey, baseball or basketball players getting arrested. They are well known and would generate a buzz I would think if they got in the same trouble we hear about with football players, and yet you never hear about those players in trouble with the law (well, probably not never, but far less frequently).
Media attention is a huge influence. For example, the UF player arrested for barking at a dog isn't news worthy. The police arresting him for that, might be.
for throwing molotov cocktails-
And I don't hink it's that rare to hear about hockey players getting into fights if you're around a campus. (Heck, it was kind of a big deal up at MSU). But you're also dealing in a numbers game. A football team has what, 5 or 6 times the number of players that a basketball team does? So you're bound to hear about it about 5 or 6 times as often.
I'm not taking data when I'm at the Blue Lep.
And unless you count a fight between Big Will and a car's hood, I have not seen one at Michigan. Michigan players were always fine when I saw them out (especially after Hoke).
On a side note, say what you want about RR, but I and other students noticed a significant difference between players' attitudes after Hoke both in and out of athletic facilities. I attribute the above paragraph to this.
My point is that you saying that you never witnessed any bar fights while you were in college doesn't mean anything about the relative rates at which football players v. non-players get in trouble while in college.
When is this about me? The stats you posted above are what I wanted.
Unfortunately I was in one at ricks back in '06. It happens.
If you were a little older, you might have been around to see Brian Griese and his run in with the scorekeepers staff and subsequently the scorekeeper's window he shattered.
Believe it or not, it does happen to our beloved wolverines too.
You may know better than I, but I recall the SI stat being the arrest rate of NFL football players (1.9%) vs. the arrest rate among all Americans (4.9%, yeah I googled it). As lots of NFL players were getting arrested, that "all Americans" stat seemed to be used to say, "See, they aren't so bad." BUT...I'd say that the arrest rate among college educated (or, at least partially college educated Americans) should have been the proper figure for comparison.
In any event, it was in 2011 that SI did the story on college football players (googled that too) and they're getting arrested at a 7% clip. I highly doubt that 7% of non-athlete college students are getting arrested.
There's a bunch of links to take-downs of the SI piece under the second heading of this UV from when SI released their investigation: LINK
And to pull out the quote that Brian pulled out for his piece to illustrate SI's dodgy numbers work:
Of those seven percent, "nearly 60 percent…were guilty or paid some penalty". If we assume "nearly 60 percent" means 57% (shockingly, the actual numbers and survey methods aren’t given), then 4% of players on top 25 football teams have been actually convicted of, or plead guilty to, a crime.
The number of average college students with the same criminal record?According to this article from Corvallis, Oregon’s Daily Barometer, 3.45%. That’s right: Your typical college football player is one-half of one percent more likely to have a criminal conviction. To put that in perspective, a team of 85 players has half a person more convicted criminals on it than a sample of 85 students drawn randomly. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
I think the figure that'd be most interesting (should it exist) is the athlete v non-athlete percentage of arrests while on campus (or, once admitted to the school). Also violent v non-violent crimes would be an interesting stat. Of course, a wee bit of judgment can go a long way in recruiting certain kids. A certain rapper once committed to MSU comes to mind.
Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of interesting ways to look at this kind of thing. I don't have access to that kind of data off hand, but it would be interesting to delve a bit more into the numbers. My first thought was whether that ~60% conviction rate is normal or maybe are football players getting arrested then released with an unofficial slap on the wrist.
Really, the appropriate comparison group is probably more like big, physical, male 18-22 year olds - many of whom are from disadvantaged backgrounds - who don't play sports. That 7% figure probably isn't too crazy.
To be fair though, I think you have to remember that these athletes are in an almost completely different situation. I think what you're saying is true, but remembering that these individuals have a ton of potential, are receiving some tremendous benefits, and have access to a boatload of resources separate them from your average student. My shock at these situations hasn't been about the fact that a college student gets into a bar fight, but a college student that is in such a great situation does this to themselves. This isn't as much related to your point anymore, but I just truly believe even your bench guy has so much more to lose than your average student.
for "Worst State Ever" t-shirts to go on sale.
It probably should be mentioned that these were unrelated incidents. Hyde is being investigated for a battery that occured in Columbus at 2AM Saturday.
Roby was charged with disorderly conduct early Sunday morning in Bloomington, IN. Apparently he was asked to leave the bar, and refused. The bouncers got involved and the police were called.
It was battery resulting in bodily injury per the case report, not disorderly conduct.
Urban Meyer's PR team is having the worst month ever
Funny thing is that I've seen some Buckeye fans talk about these loses as minimal because they have lots of good young talent. As someone who lived through lots of "potential" young stars , I'd caution the Ohio nation of getting too worked up over a bunch of kids who ran for 6 ypc against UCF, Toledo, and UAB.
"Don't play potential." -- Bo Schembechler
Obviously a sad situation for all involved. I don't have the arrest numbers for UM vs. ohio or Hoke vs. Meyer for the past five years or so but if anyone does I'm sure it'd be very telling. Buckeye's gonna buckeye yet again.
Roby's charge is a Class A misdemeanor with up to a year in prison... He must've done some damage. I wonder how long until the civil suit.
Most times these penalities end up just being fines. The jail time's just if you don't pay, but yes, still a pretty serious charge unless it gets pled down, which may or may not happen. I would guess it depends a lot on Meyer's stance
Stay classy Ohio!!!!
Funny. I am not shocked at All!!!