NEW YORK -- Rangers rookie Carl Hagelin has a hearing scheduled Sunday for his hit on Senators captain Daniel Alfredsson during Ottawa's 3-2 overtime win against New York on Saturday.
Hagelin earned a five-minute elbowing major for the play at 10:32 of the second period. Alfredsson left the game and did not return.
A little surprised as this type of aggression was never seen at U-M or to date for the Rangers but this sort of thing is far from unordinary in the NHL playoffs.
It was a high hit, but
Oh yeah?
Wanna bet? Your opinion is way too logical. I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL just kicked him out of the league.
I can only continue to reference the fact that I live in an onion factory.
Comparing Weber's play and
Comparing Weber's play and Hagelin's is like comparing apples and oranges. All season the league has been trying to get rid of plays exactly like Carl's (high elbows along the boards). Weber, although dirty as shit, isnt really what the league is trying to get rid of. If Carl isn't suspended i will be very surprised.
"You talk about trust you, gotta trust a player to win a face off, win a battle, get the puck out, or shut somebody down, i put Matt Rust in front of anyone" - Red Berenson
What the league has been
What the league has been trying to limit is injuries/blows to the head. Both acts fall under that, except Weber's was malicious with intent, whereas I'm guessing Hagelin's was a gametime incident (I didn't see it)
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
Weber is a star and Hagelin
Weber is a star and Hagelin is not...he is in danger in this NHL
and there we see the
and there we see the hypocrisy of Bettman's NHL
I don't know how this earns a
I don't know how this earns a hearing but Weber just has to buy a new tv for the Commish's office.. Oh wait, yes I do. Bettman hates the Red Wings.
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
Shouldn't be anything more
then a fine. There is no way this is worse then what Weber did Wednesday night.
If an OSU fan divorces his wife are they still brother and sister?
Yeah there is. His name is
Yeah there is. His name is Hagelin not Weber. Bitz got 2 games, I see a game for this. Now if his name was Gaborik or Richards, then $2,500.
Are you joking?
In what world is a punch that doesn't injure a player, as bad as an elbow to the side of the head? Alfredsson is 39 with a prior concussion this season, his career may be over.
Did you watch the Weber
Did you watch the Weber clip? You know, the one where he grabs Zetterberg by the head and slams him into the glass multiple times, cracking his helmet in two places? Hagelin’s can plausibly be explained away as lack of discipline. Weber’s was malicious.
I didn't say it wasn't bad
Of course it was malicious, except the outcome was nothing. Zetterburg missed no time, and was able to get up and skate off on his own. Every homer on this board is acting like this was McSorley on Brashear and it wasn't.
Gotcha
So you can do whatever you want to a guy as long as it doesn't injure him and no penalties should be assessed.
Sorry, but Red Wing fans are going to continue to be convinced the league hastes us until they give us a reason to believe otherwise. That slap on the wrist for Weber's actions is a joke. They were even joking about it in practice the next day. Nashville finds it FUNNY that Weber got away with clear intent to cause a head injury.
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Ok
When has the NHL ever been tough with discipline? Chara threw Pacioretty into the turnbuckle and snapped his neck, didn't miss a single game.
I didn't say he shouldn't be suspended but The NHL isn't a league that goes hard with disipline, which is why the longest suspension in NHL history was only 30 games.
Marty
McSorely asks if you have heard of him?
Not that i disagree with your main premise that they aren't tough on discipline.
I still think that was weak too
McSorly missed the last 23 games of a terrible season for Boston, for his baseball bat swing to Brasher's head. Maybe it's just me but I think that was a weak suspension too.
Bertuzzi only got 20 games.
i might be wrong
but after he was found guilty in court they subsequently suspended him for a full season, which therby forced his retirement.
Arguing both sides
It's all about relativity. The fact that Hagelin was subjected to a hearing while Weber got a glorified parking ticket is unacceptable.
No excuses. Play like a champion.
It was actually much more
It was actually much more similar to Bertuzzi on Moore. Remarkably so, really.
Z didn't get seriously hurt so no suspension? That makes sense, after all in every country I know of attempted murder isn't against the law.
"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"
-Gordon Gee
Watch the replay on the
Watch the replay on the Hagelin hit. The ref made the correct call but Alfie ducked a bit before the contact was made. We all know that KH is not a dirty player. He had no history of dirty hits or plays. Perhaps he gets sapped with a game or two if Alfie is out of the next game. The Carkner mugging was awesome to watch but he should be tossed from the playoffs. Obviously premeditated on his part.
"Ack ack!"
Bullshit
Results-based officiating and punishments are terrible ideas. Should Olli Jokinen get tossed out of the league for the skate to Zednik's throat?
No excuses. Play like a champion.
Not that it's a great idea
Not that it's a great idea when talking about supplemental discipline, but I love the fact that hockey allows a more severe penalty for illegal plays that cause injuries. How ridiculous is it that Tom Gholston could have ended Denard's career at the cost of fifteen yards? Compare that to hockey where he could (and probably should have) been assessed a match penalty that banned him from team contact before a hearing with a maximum punishment of lifetime banishment, not to mention a five minute major.
In my opinion, hockey is just that much better for better tacking on additional penalties for dirty play causing injuries.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
For actual dirty play, yes
But CenterIce is arguing purely from a results standpoint.
Remember Kronwall's legal hit on Marty Havlat a few years ago?
No excuses. Play like a champion.
Free the sweede!
Free the sweede!
Swede on swede violence.
Swede on swede violence.
Tenim un nom el sap tothom. Barca, Barca, BAAARCA!
It looked like a pretty dirty
It looked like a pretty dirty game overall. Just from watching the highlights, Carl's hit was at best the 3rd or 4th worst hit in that game
The cheap shot on Boyle was
The cheap shot on Boyle was ugly. Ottawa's Carkner really looked like a jackass
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
By the way
Hagelin skated after the hearing, which most likely means he is playing next game.
He didn't participate in the
He didn't participate in the NYR practice today. His spot on the 1st line was taken by Fedotenko, with Krieder replacing RF on his line.
"Ack ack!"
He did skate today
He didn't have full participation but he did skate with the team.
Result of hit
Zetterberg was ok after the Weber hit. Alfredsson was not. Shanahan was quoted today as saying that they look at the harm done in assessing the fine/suspensions. Sucks b/c the intent to harm seems to have been more with Weber than with Hagelin.
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TSN
Has a great app for i phones. All hickey all thevtime. I'd be surprised if they didn't have it for blackberry given that tsn headquarters are less than an hour drive from RIM
Keep your stick on the ice.
Thanks.
The blackberry app is apparently only available in Canada! LOLBlackberry.
He got three games for it.
He got three games for it. Three. Meanwhile, Weber gets a joke of a fine, and I highly doubt Neal's gonna get anything for attempting to concuss two Flyers today. The NHL has no hope for discipline.
The only reason I can think
The only reason I can think of for issuing a 3 game suspension is that Alfredsson is still sleeping. If he plays in the next few games it's a complete joke. Shanahan's decision making certainly has become a punch line. Will be interesting to see how he handles the Pitt-Philly mess.
"Ack ack!"
Eh
The standard for years has been one game in the playoffs equals two in the regular season. That means that this suspension was worse than Keith's for knocking out Daniel Sedin (who still isn't back). I honestly don't get this one. Basically, I've lost faith in the NHL to ever get it right.
This totally feels like a
This totally feels like a make-up call for the Weber clusterfuck. Zero consistency with the disciplinary committee. Alfie must be concussed again.
In comparison to what Keith did,the KH elbow wasn't even in the same stratosphere.
"Ack ack!"
Carkner only got one game.
Carkner only got one game. Fuck your mother, Shanny. Complete joke.
"Ack ack!"
Stupid
I can see a Hagelin suspension for one game, but this is pretty ridiculous. Weber certainly should have been suspended for at least one game. I cannot comprehend why the resulting injury has anything to do with the decision to suspend. The only thing that should matter is intent, period. It makes no sense. The majority of injuries are not a result of dirty plays.
Hagelin
obviously did not "aim high", like the guys during the Florida/NJ game intermission asserted. Carl is definitely a lover, not a fighter, I mean, look at that face!
Hagelin receives three games.
Hagelin receives three games. LOLWEBERFINELOL
Question for people who grew up Shanahan fans...
How much respect have you lost for him in the last few days?
This suspension was a bit excessive, but only truly comical when compared with the Weber non-punishment.
"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"
-Gordon Gee
I have to think that not
I have to think that not wanting to appear biased in the Wings favor played into that decision. It's really the only thing that remotely makes sense on that one.
Even then, he's just not
Even then, he's just not competent if that was a factor in his ruling. Either way, I think the post above is correct: he lost a ton of respect from a lot of the people who loved him as a player in the past few days.
"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins
Shanahan has become an NHL stooge
It's like going to work for the NHL melts your brain or something. The utter lack of consistency in his penalties make absolutely no sense at all. How you can watch a guy intentionally grab someone and WWE him into the glass BREAKING HIS HELMET and not even suspend him is ridiculous.
Inconsistent decision making
Inconsistent decision making from the league sure, but Hagelin still needed to be suspended. That shit doesn't fly.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
It was a high hit, but there's no way Hagelin can get more than a fine for that after the Weber decision.