Caris Submitting Name to Draft Board
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I don't know of too many Michigan guys that have graduated in three years. Four years, yes. But three is tough when you're an athlete and often can't even take certain classes during the regular school year because of your schedule - to say nothing of the time demand.
Maybe because if they're a first round pick they are guaranteed to make more money over the first two years of that contract than they would in 20 with a general studies major?
And, they can always come back and get their degree later if basketball doesn't work out?
against injury.
if you stay for 4 years as opposed to 3 years. Plus it's one less year to get to the 2nd contract if you last that long.
to get stronger for the NBA game, but he'll go pro. Just the way it goes now.
full time state of the art basketball, conditioning, and nutrition. If that's the only reason to stay, it's not a good reason.
because if he isn't strong enough to play, he's going to be riding the pine. Game experience is necessary to get better in the league. He may not get enough minutes to build his career successfully if he is not strong enough to compete at the NBA level.
Yes he will have access to great facilities, but what would be the point in spending a year on the bench while trying to get strong enough to play?
I know there is a perception that players will improve more and get stronger if they come back to school. That, of course, is not the perception of NBA organizations--who believe they can do a better job at both.
has proven he does that. Too many players who aren't ready end up in the purgatory known as the D league. I just don't want to see Caris go that route.
There is no way you are going to get as strong, or as good, playing college basketball with time limitations and an academic courseload as you will focusing on basketball all the time, with better resources. There are plenty of guys who don't play much their first year, improve, and then have great NBA careers.
There are also plenty of guys who play 4 years in college and then have great NBA careers. There are lots of good reasons for Caris to stay, including having another great year of his life in school, having a shot at championships, getting his degree now, and the chance of making more money by moving up enough in the draft (although that's no sure thing, it's possible). It's also possible he thinks he'll benefit more from JB and his staff's coaching than he will from NBA coaching (I find that unlikely given the time restraints and that they've already spent 3 ears with him but it's possible).
But the notion that his physique or fitness will improve more by playing amateur sports is simply wrong, and the idea his skills will improve more that way is dubious at best.
his physique will improve more by staying in college. I'm simply saying that his physique is not ready for the NBA game.
Sure he can go to the NBA next year and play limited minutes while working on getting stronger. He can stay in college and add another 10-15 pounds while getting plenty of minutes of game experience. Is it the same game experience as the NBA? Of course not, but I would rather be playing than riding a bench. That's just my opinion.
I look at Nik and I don't see that he LOOKS like he is any bigger or stronger than he was last year. Also, from what I have heard and read, NBA coaches are not that interested in spending their valuable time developing young bench players.
Edit: Response it to JCV 16
between NBA and NCAA is NCAA has limited practice time with the coaches, trainers, etc. where NBA you have unlimited time to do so.
If he is smart he WON'T go based on the $$$. As a late first round pick he will make $1 million per year, as a top 10 pick you make $2+ million. If he comes back and goes as a top 10 pick like everyone expects next year, he will have the same amount of money in his pocket after the 2016-17 NBA season and be making twice as much per year for the remainder of his contract. Not to mention he is still to skinny to be a factor in the NBA and needs to bulk up some more.
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it's just math. hopefully, he gets good inputs to perform the equation. GRIII did not.
GRIII is on an NBA roster making more money than most of us ever will. He didn't make a huge leap between years while here and didn't believe Beileins system suited his game to raise his stock profile. He believed in his ability to make a roster even without a gauranteed contract and he was right. GRIII made the right call for him.
He would have a had a great opportunity to showcase his skills this season if he had come back. I hope his decision works out for him, but at this point I would only say it might.
If GRIII can stick in the NBA beyond this season, I'll agree, but if he washes out, I'm not so sure. One year of an NBA minimum salary is nice but doesn't set you up long-term or anything.
But it's sure a lot more than I made as a 21 year old.
If we're doing math, it sure makes a lot more sense to take the guarantee and make as much as possible as a 20, 21, 22 year old (a few million in the NBA) then go back to college, get a degree, and earn whatever.
Staying guarantees your income at 20, 21, 22 = $0 (*Kentucky), for a chance at more later. Or Caris could break that foot again and never make a million.
the right move or not.
There is no reason to think Caris would go higher next year. As someone else pointed out, NBA teams don't particularly value seniority. Just take a look at the school years for those projected to be in this year's lottery--freshman and international players comprise the top 10-12 spots and Kaminsky may be the first senior drafted somewhere between 20-25.
His whole decision has to be made on speculation. Before this season and before the injury he was projected as a top 10 pick (9th overall). I would think he would have enough confidence in himself to expect to perform at least as well his senior year as people expected him to perform this year. Another year in college would allow him more time to bulk up, which could only help his draft stock. He is not a pure shooter, and needs to add weight to get to the rim at the pro level.
does not prove your point.
How crazy is it that we are falling over ourselves for Caris to stay when just a year or so ago many people refered to him as Careless LaVert because he was so green and unpredictible? Hat tip to Coach B.
Gotta feel sorry for Beilein. He doesn't do the One-and-Done's, but he always gets stuck with the Two-and-Thru's.
He takes all these marginal guys who don't have anything near the equivalent of a Michigan offer, developes them and builds them up, and then loses them right as they become productive.
He's like the poor guy at the bar who buys drinks and chats up the girl in the corner who's being ignored all night . . . and then she leaves with the drummer in the band.
Careless LeVert. I must be hanging out in the wrong circles.
Apparently.
Caris needs another summer of Camp Sanderson to be NBA ready. I just see him being GRIII and sitting on the end of the bench somewhere next year.
Well sitting on the end of the bench earning millions of dollars and getting to focus 100% on his game.
That's the problem with the NBA. Once the season starts you very seldom see someone improve their position in the rotation, especially on a good team. I am not sure how much you can improve your game.
Yes it's a financial gamble if you get hurt or don't improve your draft stock but being a late 1st round or 2nd round choice can often mean you will be buried on the bench for some time. Better to build and demonstrate skills with one extra year so you can be a part of the rotation from the get-go.
in the off-season, assistant coaches before games, working out on your own with the set regimen schedule. You have all the time to improve unlike NCAA where you have to deal with restricted practice hours, classes, exams, homework, etc.
This is likely the real reason.
is fine and his draft position shoots upward.
Not to submit hs name, info is his friend.
He submitted his name last year too, and after getting the results, he was 100% back. This year he'll likely get a much better grade, and depending on how good the grade is he'll have a tough decision to make. I think he'll be graded as a first round pick, but outside the lottery.
i know I'll take some heat for this but, I don't think Levert going pro hurts this team as much as some are making it out to be. Levert, as a go-to guy, is not a good fit in JB's offense. In this role, he is a guy that needs to go off script with the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Far too many times I saw the offensive flow killed because Caris was dribbling the air out of the ball. Love Levert as a role player. Frustrated with him as the go-to.
Furthermore, we were not a good team with Levert healthy this year.
I hope Caris declares and has a long career in the NBA.
I truly believe we will be a better team without Levert as the go-to guy.
for all the same reasons. I wonder how many others feel the same.
Caris tries to do too much and isn't effective w/o the ball in his hands ala Stauskus...
Stauskus atleast made guys around him better when he had the ball in his hands. I'm not sure you can say that about Caris. In fact, far too many times I saw guys just standing around watching Caris dribbling around trying to find his shot.
I don't want to make it sound like I'm piling on Caris either. I think he's a darn good basketball player. I just don't think he's a good fit as the go-to guy in JB's offense. We haven't recruited well enough for this to change if he comes back next year.
Go Pro Caris. Get paid.
If guys are standing around watching Caris, then that is on them and they should be scolded... not Caris.