If a guy plays, he doesn't
Football and basketball rules
Football and basketball rules are different.
Other than the specific
Other than the specific cutoff date for an injury leading to a medical redshirt, I don't think they differ.
There's no difference in
There's no difference in regard to "regular" redshirts. "Medical" redshirts use the same 30 percent rule across all sports—which just means that the number of games differs.
Baumgardner: Michigan burns Caris LeVert's redshirt, freshman earned time due to his defense
Beilein said LeVert had earned the right to be in Michigan's rotation due to his consistent improvement in practice. He added that if LeVert didn't want his redshirt waived, then Beilein would have allowed him to keep it.
Obviously the freshman wanted to play, and according to his coach, he'll continue to do so moving forward.
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My bad, thought they could
My bad, thought they could play a % of the out of conference games and still redshirt.
So he played, what on earth
So he played, what on earth would make you think he's no longer redshirting?
Because Vogrich played
Because Vogrich played limited and Akunne didn't play......
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That's the whole point. If
That's the whole point. If you play, you can't redshirt, unless you happen to get injured not long afterward.
Uhhm sarcasm. Sheldon?
Uhhm sarcasm. Sheldon?
I'll bite on not getting the reference
Who's Sheldon?
From big bang theory. He has
From big bang theory. He has the inability to sense sarcasm.
I kind of liked the idea of
I kind of liked the idea of him getting a RS year. Having said that I’m not sure in today’s college basketball RS are as necessary as they once were. As far as Akunne and Vogrich, Those guys are a nice veteran presence on this team, but there is also a noticeable drop in talent when they play.
Almost obsolete
In basketball, redshirts are almost obsolete. The path to the NBA is so "fast-tracked" now that a redshirt almost carries a stigma with it. Seniors are seldom drafted high anymore, and it seems like even less redshirt seniors are. It's as if "redshirt" means "no NBA potential."
I still really like the idea of having one or two fifth-year seniors on the team someday, but having fifth-year seniors isn't nearly as crucial to basketball as it is to football.
He played, so his redshirt is
He played, so his redshirt is offically burned. That's how that works.
After being disappointed by M's lack of depth this year (it seems we're still at 6 consistent contributors, same as last year), I like giving LeVert a shot.
Who's your six?
I'm thinking there'a at least 7: Burke, THJ, GRIII, Stauskas, McGary, Morgan and Albrecht. But maybe your standards are higher than mine. (I thought Bielfeldt and Horford have shown more than flashes, too, when they get minutes.)
Akunne vs NC State (instant
Akunne vs NC State (instant 8-0 run) and Vogrich vs NC State (asleep at the start with a turnover and two fouls).
Those are your two reasons that add up to LaVert getting a shot and if coach likes what he's seen in practice I can't say I disagree with him because only having Spike to rest both Burke and Hardaway is going to be too much as you slug your way through the B1G conference games.
Remind me again
Why we're questioning Coach Beilein?
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We're contenders for both a
We're contenders for both a conference and national title. Even if Beilein thinks that LeVert's presence in the lineup offers a slight improvement for the year's outlook, I'm all for putting him in there.
The 2016-17 season is important, but when you have an opportunity like we do this year, you go all in (without doing anything totally crazy).
He may have been outplaying
He may have been outplaying others at his spot in practice. If so, then he's earned playing time
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Shouldn't Matter
This is basketball we are talking about. If the guy is good enough to lament a wasted redshirt year, he would already be in the NBA. Name me 1 redshirt senior that has every been an above average player at UM?
I'll maintain to my grave
I'll maintain to my grave that Amadou Ba could've been the man in year 5.
Not a fair question
That's just not a fair question because Michigan hasn't redshirted many players in my lifetime time as a fan. Meanwhile, other teams (i.e. Wisco) have had plenty of guys become major contributors in Year 5. Although typically those are guys who wouldn't have played as a Freshman. Ask me in 4 years if I'm happy that Max Beilfeldt is still around. I think I'll say yes.
If Caris is good enough to play now - it's in his best interest to burn his RS. We're going to bring in good players every year so it's not as if we can predict that we will need him more a few years from now.
I like Beilein's approach to it. I just hope he made it pretty clear that playing this year could mean "playing" an average of 5 minutes a game. If that's worth it to Caris, great. There's no guarantee that he'll earn more than that next year or in year 3, 4, or 5. We're going to be damn good each year so he might as well just play basketball and let his career and PT sort itself out.
On the other hand, if this was some sort of social experiment like the QB situation with Forcier and Devin Gardner then it's foolish. I'm pretty sure Beilein thought this one out and helped Caris understand all of the variables.
EDIT: Also want to add to the Beilfeldt point that I believe that most big men who aren't freaks really benefit from an extra year. Max and JMO are examples. Although JMO was injury induced, you can't tell me he would have been nearly as effective as a true freshman as he was as a RS. Caris isn't a big guy so it's not fair to compare that.
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Jordan Morgan...
...next year.
Ever hear of
Mike Griffin and Loy Vaught?
No
No?
It looks like we are so deep this year
that we won't be having too many guys playing multiple positions (ala, Stu at 1 k 2, Zack at 3 & 4).
1. Trey & Spike
2. Tim & Caris
3. Nik & Matt
4. Glen & Max
5. Morgan, Mitch & Jon
"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack
If you ignore the times that
If you ignore the times that Trey and Spike have been in together, and the times that Jordan and Mitch have been in together, you might be right, yes. But no.
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Really?
Thanks
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If a guy plays, he doesn't redshirt - unless he gets injured later on (before the cutoff date).