It would be awesome to beat them, yes. Realistically, though, we will be pooped upon.
Capital One Bowl Rematch vs Alabama
And not the golden hoke kind either.
I'm really not sure. Not sure enough to neg a guy into Bolivia anyway (jesus, guys, how touchy can we get? I've never been this scared to post something semi-rational)
I honestly think we would have had a better shot at Bama later on. If we had Devin/Denard going like we should have against OSU, and if we had Mattison cackling with knowing glee at his defensive masterpiece, and we had some luck and brunette girls intervention, none of you think we would at least look respectable? That's fair, but it could be closer than you guys think, if We On like we can be on.
This thread wasn't well received a few days ago, so I'm not totally surprised it isn't getting rave reviews today.
But bama is still a very intimidating opponent that I am not too sure we have much better of a chance than week 1.
as long as we tell Borges to show up at the wrong stadium
You might not be the only person, but there definitely can't be more than 5 total
it's just him.
Or a pissed off Bama team would roll us again. Our interior line and bad play calling combination is a recipe for disaster.
the Capital One Bowl already was discussing the otehr day matchups and they wouldnt even be interested in a rematch. they want a game where fan bases are excited to play a new different school and to travel somewhere for that game. both bama and michigan fans already experienced this game in a travel situation and more than likely wont be anxious to do the same thign again. this rematch, even if plausible w a bama loss, wont happen per the $$$$$$$$$$$$ the bowls want
I had read the same thing, and here is Rittenberg's short discussion of that very thing (i.e., avoding a rematch) from yesterday regarding what the Capital One Bowl would like to do.
According to this, the Capital One bowl cannot select a Big Ten team with two more wins or two fewer losses than another Big Ten team, so if Nebraska loses on Saturday, we won't go to the Capital One Bowl by rule. If Nebraska wins, on the other hand, we are the preferred selection from the Big Ten. I have seen a few pieces out there stating that Texas A&M is still trying to make a case for a Capital One appearance too.
It's possible that if Alabama loses they fall all the way to the Chic-Fil-A. Here's how it would happen. First, the SEC selection order is Cap 1 > Cotton (SEC West)/Outback (SEC East) > Chic-Fil-A > Gator, etc... The Cap 1 is obligated to take the team with the best record remaining or a team within 1 loss.
In this scenario, Georgia and Florida to the BCS.
Cap 1: Unless Nebraska loses, they'll take Michigan, as the only other option is Northwestern. Wanting to avoid a rematch, they take one of the other teams within 1 game of Alabama. Attractive options include A&M with Johnny Football or LSU for the long awaited Miles-Michigan game. South Carolina also an option, though not as attractive.
Cotton: If A&M is available, the Cotton will grab them in a second. They might also prefer a LSU team that hasn't played in Jerryworld this year to Alabama.
Outback: Unless they go against pattern, they'll take South Carolina as they usually take a team from the SEC East while the Cotton takes a team from the West (not sure if this is contractural or just informal split with the Cotton Bowl).
That leaves Alabama to the Chic-Fil-A.
Isn't the Cotton Bowl more likely for the loser of the SECCG? I think the Cotton Bowl has surpassed the Capital One Bowl in terms of payout and last year they took the third-best SEC team (Arkansas) last year and the year before that (LSU in 2010). I doubt Alabama would be ok with giving up millions in bowl revenue because they didn't want to play in Jerryworld again.
It's the Cotton Bowl's call, though, not Alabama's. If Texas A&M is available (and the Cap 1 Bowl, which has first choice of non-BCS SEC teams, seems to be very interested in a Miles vs. Michigan matchup), the Cotton will certainly take A&M before Alabama, given the local fan base and Alabama's opening game at Jerryworld. Alabama vs. LSU is a tougher call, but still might swing LSU's way.
If Nebraska loses, of course, all this calculus goes out the window and Alabama is almost a lock for a Cap 1 game vs Nebraska.
I'm not 100% on it, but I think ESPN is wrong about this. I think the Capital One Bowl twitter said that even if Nebraska loses the BTCG, we're still in the mix
I would much rather face a really overrated South Carolina team.
Thanks for making me smile - I needed that.
Eh, if we lose to them again it will give us an inferiority complex, and will only validate the sec. What if we lose by even more points? If we win people will just say they didn't get up for a lesser bowl. I personally don't want to see a rematch.
Bowls are about revenue and buzz. A rematch of Michigan and Alabama would bring none of that. It would be an assumed blowout of Michigan so are fans wouldn't go and most likely Bama fans wouldn't go. If we end up in the Capital one bowl it would most likely be against A&M. IMO.
I doubt the Cotton Bowl passes on A&M with their massive local alumni base for an Alabama team that's already played at JerryWorld this year.
EDIT: Disregard, the Cap 1 chooses before the Cotton.
Are fans what?
yes! I want precisely this. Well, except for the part where you said "Alabama" - I would prefer some other team.
will go to a BCS game win or lose. If Bama beats Georgia, Florida will go to the Sugar Bowl, if Georgia beats Bama, Bama will go to the Sugar Bowl.
And no, let's let Bama be for now. They left no room for doubt in Dallas and I think Michigan would be better off meeting up with them again somewhere down the line.
if Georgia wins and bama drops below Florida then they can't go to a BCS bowl.
think that is the case. I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any rule requiring a bowl to select any particular team from a conference based on number of losses if the conference champion is taken to play in the national championship game. If Bama had three losses I think what you say would have to be the case but not as long as they don't have more than two losses and are otherwise BCS eligible based on ranking. That is my understanding of things. I think the Sugar could pick at will between Florida and Bama, (and LSU and South Carolina for that matter). I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
EDIT - Just read the Saban thread and I stand corrected (And I agree with Nick Saban that that is BS)
If Florida is ranked #3 after the SEC Championship game (which seems almost assured) they're guaranteed selection to the BCS. The only exception would be if two SEC teams were playing in the championship game.
5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
If Florida finishes in the top 4 and above the Alabama/Georgia loser they get an auto bid.
A similar situation kept Wisconsin out of the BCS several years ago, when I think they had only one loss.
Which is garbage and why no one should be allowed to play in the BCS if someone beat them in their divisions. If the SEC feels that their top teams get systematically hurt, nothing is stopping any of them from leaving and joining another top conference.
Generally speaking bowls hate to schedule rematches even if the original was a GOOD game. Slaughters really dont generate much do-over excitement.
Not even a little bit.
You really should give up those early-morning cocktails.
Do you even remember the last game vs. Alabama? Al Borges was at his best, like he was in the second half of the OSU game.
Call me crazy, but Id like to play A&M. Ya Johnny Football would be hard to stop, but I think our D would be up to the challenge. Also, out of our likely opponents, I think wed have a way better chance scoring on A&M, than anyone else. Plus, look what happened last time we played the Heisman winner.
I think it's just you.
I don't buy the hype that they would be disappointed and "had". They're still better than anyone else on our schedule and we had three other losses as well, not to mention the two games we could've lost to Northwestern and MSU. I'd rather take our chances with a team not stocked full of future NFLers.
Yes, it's just you... and apparently you'd enjoy seeing Michigan get its ass pounded again. You'd enjoy seeing another brilliant game plan crafted by our genius OC that will send Vincent Smith up the middle on third and 3. Repeatedly.
Stop being so hard on Borgess. You can't give the ball to the most talented, fastest playmaker on the team and let him do his thing if "it's not there."
It certainly "isn't there" when said player is standing on the sidelines, no?
Well, on the days that I plan on curling up in the fetal position and sucking my thumb at some point, I find that watching a good Michigan a--whipping usually gets me in the mood. So, no, its not just you.
a tropical storm with 10 inches of rain and howling wind, an officiating crew with an anti-SEC agenda, a suspension of 18 Bama starters, and Nick Saban's sudden interest in trying the speed spread.
Until then, hell no.
Dude I was there, and I know we are playing much better now but there is NO way in hell I want to see this rematch again this year
This is not going to happen. No chance the Capital One Bowl does that. If Bama does lose they could take just take LSU instead.
Of course for the reasons stated above it's highly unlikely. We should not be looking for a match up that favors us. We should be looking for the toughest competition available. Period. Play the best. Beat the best. Be the best. Hide from no one. Won loss records mean nothing if all you beat are baby seals. This is Michigan fergodssakes.
they will get pummelled by Bama just like the 1st game. No way that Borges can come up with a coherent gameplan to move the ball on Bama defense even though they showed weaknesses.
Please God no.
What have you seen over the course of the year that would lead you to believe we can beat Alabama or even keep it close?
I (jokingly) started down the path of Alabama lost to Texas A&M, which lost to __, which lost to __, ... .
Even that doesn't work. It looks like there's a closed loop of losses with Alabama, Texas A&M, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and South Carolina. Those teams only lost to one another. That's kind of wild.
No, they'd move things around and possibly even put northwestern in that game. Nobody wants to see that again. Nobody.
worse than getting blown out by Alabama, is getting blown out by Bama TWICE.
to start off the new year.
see subject line for more emphasis!!!
Do you know how many bridges I burnt tailgating in Dallas before the game with Alabama fans??! If they saw me again in Florida, I'd be beatin' to a pulp with their Rebel Flag belt buckles and dentures.
I'd rather Alabama than A&M, but that's about it. Alabama in the Capitol One Bowl might be suffering from a bit of the same "I wish we were playing for the MNC" hangover that caused them to lose against Utah a couple years ago. That to me makes them less scary than A&M. But that's about the only SEC team they're less scary than.
Rematches only work if the first game was close. There would be no interest in this game outside of Alabama and Michigan. ESPN/ABC would kibosh this matchup because it would be a dog in ratings.
No.....just plain no.
Well based on the voting, you aren't the only one, but you're one of only two. So I don't think people agree with you.
there is no way this is a good idea. I want to play someone we haven't played so I'd like to see Georgia, South Carolina, or Texas A&M. Anyone but Bama. I want to see Bama curb stomp ND in the title game.
PLEASE GOD NO........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Michigan/Alabama rematch not likely; Michigan LSU matchup a possibility
but by the time the game rolled around I know I would be sick to death of all of the talk comparing Hoke to Miles and how we wanted Miles to be our coach, yada yada yada.
But from a football standpoint, that would be an interesting game. I think we're in for a tough bowl game regardless of which SEC team we face, I just hope it is a close and thrilling game, and it gives Denard and the rest of the seniors a chance to go out on top.
I'd rather neuter some DAWGS, or them Louisiana cats. I will however run away from a Crimson Tide this go round.
Trying to add this all up.
We go to Capital One if:
-- Nebraska wins B1G, and
-- Alabama wins SEC.
We don't go to Capital One if:
-- Wiscosin wins (meaning, Nebraska is a shoe-in for Cap One bowl -- not even a deaf, dumb, blind, dead monkey would pick NU(NTNU) over NU(YTNU)), or
-- Georgia wins and Cap1 bowl picks Alabama over other available options [UF if not in BCS, LSU, TAMU, USC(NTUSC)].
Seems to me, the only way the Cap One bowl picks Alabama (if Geogia wins) is if Nebraska loses B1G game, and if the bowl thinks Nebraska/Alabama (a pretty cool matchup) would get more butts in seats and eyeballs on the TV than Michigan-[Someone]. I have to admit, Nebraska/Alabama would be pretty good draw versus Michigan-LSU. I don't think TAMU moves the eyeball needle enough.
I agree that the only way that Alabama's going to the Cap 1 is with a Nebraska loss.
We could technically get passed over if the Cap 1 wanted to accomodate Alabama and avoid a rematch, but, because of the mass ineligibility/mediocrity in the Woody division, I think the only team that could jump us in the selection order is Northwestern, and there's no practical way that happens.
...the MGoBlog NU rule: whoever wins the game between Northwestern and Nebraska gets custody of 'NU' until the next year's game.
So: ". . . --not even a deaf, dumb, blind, dead monkey would pick NW over NU, or . . .."
the capital one bowl would not want a rematch, and neither would i. we're a better team now than we were to start the year, but we're still not ready to face a team like that and expect to win. besides, i'm still recovering from the emotional trauma of that game.
It's either Bama or Georigia. I'd rather get another crack at Bama.
ya its just u
that happened on September 1st. Can't quite think of it right now, but it's on the tip of my tongue.
I don't disagree with the idea that playing Bama would be painful, but it saddens me that the program is at a point where we're scared to play anyone at all.
This is MICHIGAN .... (you know the rest).
I opened this thread completely opposed to the idea of a rematch. However, you managed to convince me it could be a good thing. On the other hand a 25 point loss in our bowl game and ending the season 8-5 would leave an awful taste in my mouth for the entire off season.
Neither my divorce nor my vascetomy were sterling moments in my life nor do I wish to attempt to live them better.
actually wants to sell some tickets and generate some interest around the game. I don't see the Wolverine or Bama flocking to Orlando for another 'Bama smack down. I would also think Dave Brandon would not be interested in seeing that, too.
After all, it's all about the money.
from mlive...thread 455481. I know we think lowly of mlive but this poster does in-fact work for the Capitol One Bowl committee:
The 2-win rule -- which would make Nebraska knock UM out of contention -- can be WAIVED "if all sides agree to it." "All sides" means the school, the conference, and the bowl (doesn't say if the OTHER conference has to agree too -- probably not).
If you're Nebraska, do you go to the Cap One two years in a row? Normally no, however (1) it's at least in Florida, and (2) if the opponent is Alabama, maybe you do. NU-Alabama is a great matchup, that might excite Huskernation even if its a repeat. (Whereas, a game vs TAMU and Johnny Football, maybe not so much.)
If you're the B1G and Nebraska is OK with waiving the 2-win rule -- what about the other NU? Northwestern will be real upset that they got passed over. Does the B1G want to set that precedent?
If I had a choice I would prefer we play LSU. Of the choice of Bama, A&M, Georgia, LSU, and Florida I believe we match up best against them. LSU has had periods of offensive oblivion. Their defense is very good. But I would scared to death that some of the more balanced teams would kill us 49-7. LSU might be 20-3, but if some weird things happened I could see us pulling the game out. We would need some crazy DR scores plus win the TO battle. I could easily see LSU panicing and getting out of rhythme. Bama on the other hand could turn the ball over 4 straight times and score the next 8. No way I want to face that Oline again.
Showing up more prepared and losing to Alabama 28-17 is not my idea of redemption.
...I can think of at least one way that this "no-lose chance" could be a lose chance.
Whatever you do, do not replay this game.
I can't believe how pussified you guys are. Your defense has improved over the course of the year and unleashing Denard would give Saban fits. Throw in Gardner at QB and I think you would have a much different game.