Is there a statue of limitations on statutory rape?
Can this Penn State mess get any more bizarre?
Age of consent in PA is 16. Also, "statute".
It's what they call their end around off a fake pass.
Wow spelling fail on my part. Also I did not know that the age was that in PA. My mistake.
It's the last sentence in the article.
but that's the legal age of consent in Michigan too. It's only 18 if you're in a position of power.
You also can't be older than a certain age in most states to take advantage of 16 year old consenter. i.e., a 16 yr old can't give consent to someone older than 25 or so in most states. I am told. This is not the voice of experience talking. I have no reason to know this stuff personally. Really.
like, say, the lawyer representing the would-be consenter in an emancipation suit?
can I get one of those positions?
Stunning that it is 16... Should be 18 minimum, but I guess they make it 16 since otherwise every high school kid would default break that law.
16 is the most common.
Just ask Cosmo Kramer.
As someone mentioned a few days ago..."You couldn't make this stuff up."
He should have lost his license. Him and Sandusky are perfect for each other.
Depends. The current Model Rules of Professional Conduct prohibit sexual activity between attorney and client unless said sexual contact began prior to the attorney-client relationship. However, the current Model Rules weren't in place in 1996, and I also don't know if Pennsylvania has adopted them (although I imagine they have; most states have).
Sandusky is planning ahead for his "Ineffective Assistance of Counsel Claim".
I've become one of Pavlov's dogs; it's gotten to the point that I see anything about this mess and my stomach start's churning. Projectile vomiting is right around the corner...
district attorney. Methinks that there are many, many layers to this story, one of the reasons that I'm waiting for what facts there are to surface before making up my mind.
Oops, in the interest of openness and transparency, I should add that *they* say there is no connection between the two cases. Every community is missing a DA, right?
See Also, "Coincidence, believe in, not"
But keep in mind that the DA likely had dozens, if not hundreds, of criminal cases. Could just have easily been a gang related disappearance, or whatever.
His deliberate destruction of his hard drive before disappearing might shed some light on which of those hundreds of cases might be connected. A gang-related disappearance doesn't quite fit.
If you're going to jump off a bridge, do you really care whether or not your hard drive is destroyed? While I can imagine scenarios where this is true, none of them are very likely.
It's the Mafia! Everything is because of the Mafia. Joe Pa is a made man. They look out for him.
For the 10,000th time, he was investigating meth trafficking. I know state police involved in this and that is the "unofficial" thinking.
...maybe you've addressed it somewhere on another thread, but it isn't clear to me what you mean. Are you saying they think the meth traffickers had him killed?
What's the unofficial explanation for the destruction of the hard drive?
Meth manufacturing is big in the center part of the state. Very rural, so they can cook in a barn and not have as much chance of getting caught.
Rt 80 gives access to NYC about 2-1/2 hours to east and Rt15 which is close byis a major N-S corridor that leads to DC and I-95.
The hard drive is where they think important information was kept.
Personally, I think he was being blackmailed and was there to trade the PC for something (he has kids) and after the HD was destroyed he was "disappeared", but that's just my theory. I do have some nice pictures of that park since that's where my wedding party shots were done.
These creeps all run in the same circles.
Also, Sandusky's house is adjacent to an elementary school and he supposedly could watch recess from his back deck.
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "my lawyer F----D me."
he didn't have sex with her. They were just in the shower together, snapping towels and engaging in other various horseplay and by some mysterious phenomenon, she got pregnant.
"Can this Penn State mess get any more bizarre?"
The answer is yes. Everytime it doesn't seem like it can, it does. At this rate, I'm sure there are plenty more bizarre details to come.
Not worthy of its own thread, but did anyone listen to the interview that he gave last night?
I have to say that it really made my stomach turn to hear this guy even speak. The guy ADMITS to having showered with many young boys. He then admits to having "horsed around" in the shower with these kids, which included "touching their legs." He openly admits this during an interview.
As a lawyer, I respect our legal system and the presumption against guilt until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but the fact that this guy is walking the street (and has been for the past 12-15 years thanks to the PSU administration and coaching staff) sickens me. That interview was just repulsive.
Yeah, what an odd and surreal interview. How about when he does the classic 'repeat the question you were just asked' thing when Costas flat out asks, "are you sexually attracted to young boys?" and then he hesitates for an awkward amount of time, professing how much he likes to be around them and winds his way to ultimately saying "no, i'm not". It felt like he was on the verge of just laying it out there, telling us that he is and then having a serious breakdown. I think his, "...I wish I were dead" comment to the Mom of the '98 accuser is quite telling. I feel like he wanted to just admit to everything and there is a side to him that hates the other side that not only did these things, but a side that seemingly was helpless against it's urges.
Costas does a nice job asking some real questions. Probably one of the few old school sports reporters left.
Was Sandusky paid by NBC for last night's phone interview? If so, add NBC to the list of people and institutions which have shown bad judgment in this mess.
Sandusky is guilty, watching that interview put things to rest - YES, he is. He sounded creepy and had no energy in his voice in his own defense. And his admission that he took showers with young boys, "horsed around with them", and touched them on the leg is simply abnormal for anyone his age. It wouldn't take anyone with 1/4 of a brain to believe now he is very, very capable of committing far worse acts - even if you never heard about any of the other incidents with eye-witnesses.
All the lawyers I've heard who saw the interview believe it was a HUGE mistake for him to do the interview. If I was his lawyer (and thank goodness I'm not) I'd have told him to find another lawyer if he persisted in going ont he air with NBC. If he thought he had nothing to lose, he was wrong.
There's a Courtney Stodden joke to be made here, but I'm too lazy.
she's not actually 16 or whatever age they're claiming now.
What do you mean?
The DA was the victim of an alien abduction. Sandusky is actually an undercover agent for the International Justice League for the Wellbeing of Children and his cover was as a college football coach/child predator who lived near the Elementary School that was under his protection. It is amazing how the media has ignored these facts just to make a story.
As a side note, parents of children who are victimized by adults in any fashion, should get to choose and execute the punishment. I think a few hours in a sound proof wood shop if the present accusations are true would be fair.
Hmm. Missing DA, therefore aliens? I don't think it's out of the question.
Aliens are the answer to every unsolved mystery on the history channel. Let's not discount the plausibility.
for the city of Sandusky, MI to announce a name change.
If I recall my professional responsibility class correctly, lawyers can't sleep with their clients unless the affair began before the lawyer was hired. Sexual misconduct and financial misconduct were like the only two things guaranteed to result in discipline.
I'm not sure of the rules in Penn.
..but it doesn't appear to have been the law at the time. The provision was added by amendment in 2000.
Seems to fit.
What, that's wild. I don't think we should take comfort in prison rape. I think what the guy did is despicable, but we shouldn't throw our own morality away by cheering rape and castration, even for scumbags. When we throw common decency and humanity away -- even in the face of child abuse or terrorism -- we lose our own moral authority.
Sandusky is despicable (if the allegations are true, and there seems to be serious evidence). Those who covered up his acts are disgusting. But our ability to condemn these types of acts is only as strong as our own moral rectitude. If we sink to their level through retribution, we lose any claim to justice.
- "the degree of a nation’s civilization can be seen in the way it treats its prisoners". Fyodor Dostoyevsky
"The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children."
I am hoping both tenets are served, the truth is revealed, and justice is served.
Both applicable but not necessarily in tension, unless you hold that Sandusky being sodomized in prison would bring some level of justice to the situtation. I'd chalk that up to karma or revenge myself.
While your heart is in the right place, can we never see the phrase "prison cum dumpster" on mgoblog again? Please?
There are about 10 million people who would disagree with you. Let's not go there.
where the hell craig james fits in all this. dead hookers in lubbock and now this in state college. the man could sure cover some ground, and not just on the gridiron.
The HOOKERS CRAIG JAMES DID not KILL are in Dallas, where he attended SMU.
Excuse my language, and I sincerely apologize to anyone I offend.
These SICK motherfuckers.
They changed the rules in North Carolina (where I'm licensed as well as in MI). By rule, one can't have sex with a client while representing him/her unless the parties started having sex prior to the attorney representing the client. How it's enforced and interpreted, however, is that it's only improper if the attorney uses his/her authority as an attorney to obtain sex, e.g., by taking sexual favors in lieu of payment or threatening to not provide zealous representation. I think the obvious rule should be, "Don't sleep with your clients unless you were already in a sexual relationship." Bar Associations don't seem to want to enforce that, however. Sleeping with a client who is a minor is morally reprehensible. Whether it's illegal or a violation of professional standards, I leave to others to figure out.
With your client in CA either. I assume this because of Bob Loblaw and Arrested Development.
AD is where I go for all questions re: legal ethics. And please, no references to the Lemon family having a party.
I don't know anything about the DA, but the local Chicago news reported last night that the judge who freed Sandusky without bail is also on the board of the Second Mile charity. At this point, she has not said she will recuse herself from any further proceedings, despite the clear (in my opinion) conflict of interest. This whole mess is a, um, mess.
but was not on the board
Yeah, it can. The creeper is now releasing statements and shows are airing interviews of him. Full on 3-ring-circus mode commencing.
It sounded like the Prosecution does not know the identity of Victim#2? Sandusky's attorney says they "think we know the identity"? Of course they do. Sandusky would obviously know him. Sounded like they can pressure the poor kid into not testifying, without anyone protecting him, because the Prosecution doesn't know his name.. My point is how could Penn State not even have investigated enough to find out the victim's name?
they can't pressure the kid into not testifying because, i assume, the PA police could get search warrants for phone records, etc., if they have any evidence of witness tampering--which, btw, they do according to the grand jury report. (no idea why charges haven't been filed--maybe unsuccessful, merely attempted witness tampering isn't a crime?)
but more importantly if they get the kid to testify nothing happened, the state will find out who he is. if anything, i imagine they'll find a different kid and get him to claim he was the kid in question and that nothing beyond sliding across the shower floor happened. because i'll bet that even if mcqueary et al can nail down a date for the alleged rape, they won't be able to nail down dates for the kids in question. that'll be tricky, i think.
were not notified of either the 2000 incident (witnessed by a janitor), nor the 2002 incident (witnessed by McQueary), because they were not notified. The janitor did not report because he did not want to lose his job. McQueary's report went to the AD and to VP Schultz, to whom the University Police report, but Schultz did not involve the University Police department.
The University Police *did* investigate the 1998 incident, and sent their reports to the Centre County prosecutor's office, which chose not to prosecute.
Horrific or disgusting are better choices.
I'm with pineapple man on this one.
Apparently Mike McQueary speaks tonight on CBS Evening News.
He says, "I did stop it. I did talk to police."
It might be Sandusky's only shot at delaying prison for a bit. Nice choice of legal representation there, Jerry.