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November 15th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
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Can this Penn State mess get any more bizarre?

Joe Amendola is the lawyer who represents Jerry Sandusky, and apparently has a "colorful" background regarding his personal life:

Amendola in 1996 represented an age 16 teenager by the name of Mary Iavasile in her emancipation petition (to be legally freed from her parents' control) in Centre County on Sept. 3, 1996, filed weeks before her 17th birthday.  Amendola was almost 50.  He got her pregnant about that same time.  The teen gave birth 9 months later.  Amendola is the father.  They married in 2003, had another child, and are now divorced.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK
 
 

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
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Is there a statue of

Is there a statue of limitations on statutory rape?

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
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Age of consent in PA is 16.

Age of consent in PA is 16. Also, "statute".

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
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Well, maybe

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
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That's from the trick-play section of the Penn St. playbook.

It's what they call their end around off a fake pass.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
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I thought it looked more like this...

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
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Wow spelling fail on my part.

Wow spelling fail on my part. Also I did not know that the age was that in PA. My mistake.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
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It's the last sentence in the

It's the last sentence in the article.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
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Don't quote me on this

but that's the legal age of consent in Michigan too. It's only 18 if you're in a position of power.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
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better watch that age of consent

You also can't be older than a certain age in most states to take advantage of 16 year old consenter.  i.e., a 16 yr old can't give consent to someone older than 25 or so in most states.  I am told.  This is not the voice of experience talking. I have no reason to know this stuff personally.  Really.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
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Well

okay, Hillbilly...

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
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like, say, the lawyer

like, say, the lawyer representing the would-be consenter in an emancipation suit?

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
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Where

can I get one of those positions?

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
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Stunning that it is 16...

Stunning that it is 16... Should be 18 minimum, but I guess they make it 16 since otherwise every high school kid would default break that law.

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November 15th, 2011 at 6:48 PM
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16 is the most

16 is the most common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#State_laws

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
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Just ask

Just ask Cosmo Kramer.

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
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As someone mentioned a few

As someone mentioned a few days ago..."You couldn't make this stuff up."

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
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He should have lost his license. Him and Sandusky are perfect for each other.

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November 15th, 2011 at 7:48 PM
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Depends. The current Model

Depends. The current Model Rules of Professional Conduct prohibit sexual activity between attorney and client unless said sexual contact began prior to the attorney-client relationship. However, the current Model Rules weren't in place in 1996, and I also don't know if Pennsylvania has adopted them (although I imagine they have; most states have).  

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
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Sandusky is planning ahead

Sandusky is planning ahead for his "Ineffective Assistance of Counsel Claim".  

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
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That is...

ill-advised. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
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Apparently

Yes.

I've become one of Pavlov's dogs; it's gotten to the point that I see anything about this mess and my stomach start's churning. Projectile vomiting is right around the corner...

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
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And let us not forget the missing

district attorney. Methinks that there are many, many layers to this story, one of the reasons that I'm waiting for what facts there are to surface before making up my mind.

Oops, in the interest of openness and transparency, I should add that *they* say there is no connection between the two cases. Every community is missing a DA, right?

 See Also, "Coincidence, believe in, not"

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
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Very odd

But keep in mind that the DA likely had dozens, if not hundreds, of criminal cases. Could just have easily been a gang related disappearance, or whatever.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
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His deliberate destruction of

His deliberate destruction of his hard drive before disappearing might shed some light on which of those hundreds of cases might be connected. A gang-related disappearance doesn't quite fit.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
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The hard drive doesn't fit in with suicide, either

If you're going to jump off a bridge, do you really care whether or not your hard drive is destroyed? While I can imagine scenarios where this is true, none of them are very likely.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
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It's

It's the Mafia! Everything is because of the Mafia. Joe Pa is a made man. They look out for him.

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November 15th, 2011 at 10:27 PM
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The Dead DA had nothing to do with this story!

For the 10,000th time, he was investigating meth trafficking.  I know state police involved in this and that is the "unofficial" thinking.

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November 15th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
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If you've mentioned this 10,000 times...

...maybe you've addressed it somewhere on another thread, but it isn't clear to me what you mean. Are you saying they think the meth traffickers had him killed?

What's the unofficial explanation for the destruction of the hard drive?

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November 16th, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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Yes

Meth manufacturing is big in the center part of the state.  Very rural, so they can cook in a barn and not have as much chance of getting caught.  

Rt 80 gives access to NYC about 2-1/2 hours to east and Rt15 which is close byis a major N-S corridor that leads to DC and I-95.

The hard drive is where they think important information was kept.

Personally, I think he was being blackmailed and was there to trade the PC for something (he has kids) and after the HD was destroyed he was "disappeared", but that's just my theory.  I do have some nice pictures of that park since that's where my wedding party shots were done.

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
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These creeps all run in the

These creeps all run in the same circles.

 

Also, Sandusky's house is adjacent to an elementary school and he supposedly could watch recess from his back deck. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
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Gives a whole new meaning to

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "my lawyer F----D me." 

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
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Rumor is

he didn't have sex with her.  They were just in the shower together, snapping towels and engaging in other various horseplay and by some mysterious phenomenon, she got pregnant.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
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"Can this Penn State mess get

"Can this Penn State mess get any more bizarre?"

The answer is yes. Everytime it doesn't seem like it can, it does. At this rate, I'm sure there are plenty more bizarre details to come.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
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Sandusky

Not worthy of its own thread, but did anyone listen to the interview that he gave last night? 

I have to say that it really made my stomach turn to hear this guy even speak.  The guy ADMITS to having showered with many young boys.  He then admits to having "horsed around" in the shower with these kids, which included "touching their legs."  He openly admits this during an interview. 

As a lawyer, I respect our legal system and the presumption against guilt until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but the fact that this guy is walking the street (and has been for the past 12-15 years thanks to the PSU administration and coaching staff) sickens me.  That interview was just repulsive.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
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Yeah, what an odd and surreal

Yeah, what an odd and surreal interview.  How about when he does the classic 'repeat the question  you were just asked' thing when Costas flat out asks, "are you sexually attracted to young boys?" and then he hesitates for an awkward amount of time, professing how much he likes to be around them and winds his way to ultimately saying "no, i'm not".  It felt like he was on the verge of just laying it out there, telling us that he is and then having a serious breakdown.  I think his, "...I wish I were dead" comment to the Mom of the '98 accuser is quite telling.  I feel like he wanted to just admit to everything and there is a side to him that hates the other side that not only did these things, but a side that seemingly was helpless against it's urges. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
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Costas does a nice job asking

Costas does a nice job asking some real questions. Probably one of the few old school sports reporters left.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
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Question:

Was Sandusky paid by NBC for last night's phone interview? If so, add NBC to the list of people and institutions which have shown bad judgment in this mess.

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November 15th, 2011 at 6:31 PM
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If there was any shred of doubt in your mind whether

Sandusky is guilty, watching that interview put things to rest - YES, he is.  He sounded creepy and had no energy in his voice in his own defense.  And his admission that he took showers with young boys, "horsed around with them", and touched them on the leg is simply abnormal for anyone his age.  It wouldn't take anyone with 1/4 of a brain to believe now he is very, very capable of committing far worse acts - even if you never heard about any of the other incidents with eye-witnesses. 

All the lawyers I've heard who saw the interview believe it was a HUGE mistake for him to do the interview. If I was his lawyer (and thank goodness I'm not) I'd have told him to find another lawyer if he persisted in going ont he air with NBC. If he thought he had nothing to lose, he was wrong. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
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There's a Courtney Stodden

There's a Courtney Stodden joke to be made here, but I'm too lazy.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
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no

she's not actually 16 or whatever age they're claiming now. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
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What do you mean?

What do you mean?

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
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The DA was the victim of an

The DA was the victim of an alien abduction.  Sandusky is actually an undercover agent for the International Justice League for the Wellbeing of Children and his cover was as a college football coach/child predator who lived near the Elementary School that was under his protection.  It is amazing how the media has ignored these facts just to make a story.

As a side note, parents of children who are victimized by adults in any fashion, should get to choose and execute the punishment.  I think a few hours in a sound proof wood shop if the present accusations are true would be fair.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
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Hmm. Missing DA, therefore

Hmm. Missing DA, therefore aliens? I don't think it's out of the question.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
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posted from iPhone

Aliens are the answer to every unsolved mystery on the history channel. Let's not discount the plausibility.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
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I'm waiting

for the city of Sandusky, MI to announce a name change.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
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How does he still have his license?

If I recall my professional responsibility class correctly, lawyers can't sleep with their clients unless the affair began before the lawyer was hired.   Sexual misconduct and financial misconduct were like the only two things guaranteed to result in discipline. 

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
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Depends on the State

I'm not sure of the rules in Penn.

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
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This is now the law in Pennsylvania...

..but it doesn't appear to have been the law at the time. The provision was added by amendment in 2000.

http://www.padisciplinaryboard.org/documents/Ethics2000-Approved-Rule.pdf

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
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Shall we refer to it as the "Amendola Amendment"?

Seems to fit.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
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What, that's wild. I don't

What, that's wild. I don't think we should take comfort in prison rape. I think what the guy did is despicable, but we shouldn't throw our own morality away by cheering rape and castration, even for scumbags. When we throw common decency and humanity away -- even in the face of child abuse or terrorism -- we lose our own moral authority.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
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Well said.

Sandusky is despicable (if the allegations are true, and there seems to be serious evidence). Those who covered up his acts are disgusting. But our ability to condemn these types of acts is only as strong as our own moral rectitude. If we sink to their level through retribution, we lose any claim to justice.

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
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Two powerful philosophical tenets in tension here:
  • "the degree of a nation’s civilization can be seen in the way it treats its prisoners". Fyodor Dostoyevsky

versus

  • "The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." 

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer

I am hoping both tenets are served, the truth is revealed, and justice is served.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:36 PM
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Both applicable but not

Both applicable but not necessarily in tension, unless you hold that Sandusky being sodomized in prison would bring some level of justice to the situtation.  I'd chalk that up to karma or revenge myself.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
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While your heart is in the

While your heart is in the right place, can we never see the phrase "prison cum dumpster" on mgoblog again? Please?

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
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There are about 10 million

There are about 10 million people who would disagree with you. Let's not go there.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
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it just makes me wonder

where the hell craig james fits in all this.  dead hookers in lubbock and now this in state college.  the man could sure cover some ground, and not just on the gridiron.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
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Dead hookers not in Lubbock

The HOOKERS CRAIG JAMES DID not KILL are in Dallas, where he attended SMU.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
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Excuse my language.

Excuse my language, and I sincerely apologize to anyone I offend.

But...

These SICK motherfuckers.

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November 15th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
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They changed the rules in

They changed the rules in North Carolina (where I'm licensed as well as in MI). By rule, one can't have sex with a client while representing him/her unless the parties started having sex prior to the attorney representing the client. How it's enforced and interpreted, however, is that it's only improper if the attorney uses his/her authority as an attorney to obtain sex, e.g., by taking sexual favors in lieu of payment or threatening to not provide zealous representation. I think the obvious rule should be, "Don't sleep with your clients unless you were already in a sexual relationship." Bar Associations don't seem to want to enforce that, however. Sleeping with a client who is a minor is morally reprehensible. Whether it's illegal or a violation of professional standards, I leave to others to figure out.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
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I'm assuming you can't sleep

With your client in CA either. I assume this because of Bob Loblaw and Arrested Development.

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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AD is where I go for all

AD is where I go for all questions re: legal ethics. And please, no references to the Lemon family having a party.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
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Another twist

I don't know anything about the DA, but the local Chicago news reported last night that the judge who freed Sandusky without bail is also on the board of the Second Mile charity.  At this point, she has not said she will recuse herself from any further proceedings, despite the clear (in my opinion) conflict of interest.  This whole mess is a, um, mess.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
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she served as a volunteer

but was not on the board

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
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Yeah, it can. The creeper is

Yeah, it can. The creeper is now releasing statements and shows are airing interviews of him. Full on 3-ring-circus mode commencing.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
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Did I hear correctly?

It sounded like the Prosecution does not know the identity of Victim#2? Sandusky's attorney says they "think we know the identity"? Of course they do. Sandusky would obviously know him. Sounded like they can pressure the poor kid into not testifying, without anyone protecting him, because the Prosecution doesn't know his name.. My point is how could Penn State not even have investigated enough to find out the victim's name?

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
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that's going to be a hard trick

they can't pressure the kid into not testifying because, i assume, the PA police could get search warrants for phone records, etc., if they have any evidence of witness tampering--which, btw, they do according to the grand jury report. (no idea why charges haven't been filed--maybe unsuccessful, merely attempted witness tampering isn't a crime?) 

but more importantly if they get the kid to testify nothing happened, the state will find out who he is. if anything, i imagine they'll find a different kid and get him to claim he was the kid in question and that nothing beyond sliding across the shower floor happened. because i'll bet that even if mcqueary et al can nail down a date for the alleged rape, they won't be able to nail down dates for the kids in question. that'll be tricky, i think.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
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PS University Police

were not notified of either the 2000 incident (witnessed by a janitor), nor the 2002 incident (witnessed by McQueary), because they were not notified. The janitor did not report because he did not want to lose his job. McQueary's report went to the AD and to VP Schultz, to whom the University Police report, but Schultz did not involve the University Police department.

The University Police *did* investigate the 1998 incident, and sent their reports to the Centre County prosecutor's office, which chose not to prosecute.

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November 15th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
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Bizarre isn't the right word.

Horrific or disgusting are better choices.

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November 15th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
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Im with

I'm with pineapple man on this one.

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:41 PM
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Apparently Mike McQueary

Apparently Mike McQueary speaks tonight on CBS Evening News. 

He says, "I did stop it.  I did talk to police."

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-scandal-mcqueary-201111...

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November 15th, 2011 at 5:45 PM
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Ineffective Assistance Of Counsel

It might be Sandusky's only shot at delaying prison for a bit. Nice choice of legal representation there, Jerry. 

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