i refuse to even consider this a possibility
It is so damn frustrating that Ohio could possibly have the #1 recruiting class in the country after their scandal. They will probably end up being better off having gone through the Tat-gate scandal than they would be without it because it brought them Urban Meyer. The rich get richer....sigh
Except Dunn was committed to Ohio by the age of 5. That would be like if Meyer got Shane Morris to all of a sudden start strongly considering Ohio, then at the last minute he decides to stay blue. Would you consider that a recruiting victory for Hoke? I wouldn't.
Yeah, that really doesn't count as a recruiting battle in the normal sense. Dunn committed to OSU in April of last year, and we didn't even offer him until after he was a commit. Trying to steal a recruit and failing is not the same as losing a recruiting battle.
But it's also hard to look at it that way for any recruits in this class because of the timing of the coaching change at OSU. The 2013 class will be an interesting one to see.
I don't think that Urban has tried to target any Michigan recruits other than Bri'onte Dunn and Kyle Kalis. So wouldn't the same logic work for Kyle Kalis since Urban didn't get into the mix until Kalis had already committed to Michigan and developed distaste for the Buckeye fan base. I feel that claiming Urban can't flip any Michigan recruit is like saying you've won a battle that was never fought?
What are you considering a recruiting battle? A committed recruit that suddenly changes side, or an uncommitted recruit that holds offers from both schools?
Considering the guy was always at least an unofficial commit even during the worst of Tat-gate, that doesn't feel like a real "head-to-head" win.
The exact same thing could be said for us. Coming off the worst three year stretch ever, also NCAA violations, and we could have a top 5 class?
I'll stand by previous statements and say we are headed back to Big 2, Little 10 in a few years. Although the little 10 I think will be stronger. So maybe Medium 10.
I'm not really worried about Brady Hoke's ability to recruit. We've already seen that he can. I think the teams that should be on watch are the teams that are just below Michigan and Ohio State, in terms of national profile. State is going to suffer because there are going to be less prospects available for them. Penn State will suffer in the same way.
It's going to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the rest.
You'll never see the "Big 2, Little 8 (10)" again. The change from 105 scholarships to 85 scholarships put an end to that. Also, the addition of national powers like PSU and Nebraska will prevent it.
You forget that the Tat-gate scandal cost Jim Tressel his job.
Tressel had been doing pretty well down there in OSU.
How many guys is Urban gonna flip?
Let's put it in perspective. He is flipping them away from Penn State. And Decker came to Ohio with his main recruiter who also left ND for Ohio. Don't worry, I feel a nervous breakdown and retirement coming soon for Urban. If he couldn't handle the heat at Florida I'm not sure how he'll do at Ohio.
The seat will be really hot if he wins less than 10 or 11 times every year. Growing up and still living in Ohio, you realize that Ohio fans are even more irrational than every other fanbase, anywhere. Once the pressure builds and he (hopefully) loses to Michigan every year, he won't be able to handle it.
Here in Cbus, I think most people think he should win 10 games next year. If they win less, they are going to be whining. If they lose to Michigan next year, there is going to be a huge meltdown.
Don't know. How many more can PSU lose?
No snake oil here!
Takes the best from MSU and PSU and not a peep from the opposition.
The Big Ten gentleman's agreement is a myth. RR and Hoke went after committed recruits also, and I dont see a problem with it. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least try. And keep in mind Reeves was just on an official to Michigan (and he is still a verbal committment to PSU).
We've stolen Bellomy and Roundtree from Purdue recently. There is no agreement
This is really simple. Until the kids are signed up they are free game plain and simple.
the two kids he kicked off deserved it.
I'm sure some of the 30+/- players who were arrested while he was at Florida deserved to be kicked off that team too. I don't claim to be a Gator historian but I have a feeling it went down a little differently there. I wonder if they would have been kicked off if they were starters.
You can't have it both ways. You can't bash him for being lax on discipline in Florida for his 30 +/- arrests and then bash him for kicking kids off the team who deserved it because of their arrests. Be real dude.
He's coaching Ohio fergodsakes. The only rule is no punching in the face!
Yea, but you're being ridiculous and it makes you look ignorant...which makes our fanbase look ignorant. So stop.
I wanted to argue with you but all the examples I could think of were stupid things that Ohio fans said to me so point taken. I was getting ready to leave work and got on a bad roll. I would like to see some "perfect storm" articles written about Meyer like Hoke had when he started. This is probably the latest that Ohio has had so many open spots and it just happens to come on the heels of one of the biggest scandals in NCAA history at a rival school. Meyer couldn't have dreamed up a better scenario.
Here's what i think he means here: We know from his larger body of work that Meyer is only a few steps up from Dantonio in terms of player discipline. So when he kicks two kids off the team, it's unusual; that much is pretty much a given.
So we have two options here. Either A) He's turning over a new leaf and starting to be more disciplinarian OR B) He has some other motivation for wanting these kids to be off the team. I think the other poster's point is that it seems unlikely that Urb is actually doing things different than he did at Florida, Utah, and BGSU. Rather, this smacks of ulterior motives (freeing up roster spots).
See? It's not a "you can't have it both ways" problem. Rather, that's URBAN'S problem, because he very well might want to have it both ways.
I knew I stayed on hold for three hours for a good reason. Seriously though, you summed up what I can only hope was some kind of rational thought process on my part.
The Ohio players booted off the team were not good players (at least not starters) and are being "replaced" by highly rated kids. When he kicks off a star/ needed player (e.g. Stonum), then I will be impressed.
Typical Ohio ignorance at it's best. Make your mother proud. Way to go.
Dominic Clarke started 3-4 games for OSU last season, and he probably would've started more if he stopped getting into trouble. Travis Howard had a poor performance this season, and Clarke was expected to challenge him for the starting job in 2012-2013. At worst Clarke was OSU's 3rd CB, a major contributor next season and a projected starter for 2013-2014. I guess what I'm saying is Dominic Clarke was not a scrub.
One has assault/aggravating menacing charges pending. The other (who started three games in 2011) got a misdemeanor DUI while already having allegedly fired an air gun from the roof of a buildling not too long ago. At least he gets points for being creative on that last one.
DAMN YOU URB!!
Please don't let this turn into a sky-is-falling thread.
If you didn't expect Urban Meyer to recruit well, you were being dumb.
/"you" directed at no on in particular
I don't think the sky is falling. It's just frustrating to see them seem to get away with their violations with little consequence. Let's just hope the next Pryor, Herron or Posey are in this class somewhere!
Yeah, not a callout to you or anyone, really. I just get frustrated by chicken little posters when we've got a top-5 class and I felt they were coming. Call it a pre-emptive complaint.
I'm thrilled with our class and still think we can climb with our remaining commits. I was just hoping for a little worse off-season in Buckeye land. My coworkers are already gloating.
I agree it's tough to see Ohio get into so much hot water and then(in relative terms) skate away with nothing.
It's pretty disheartening, but maybe the feedback from this bS is what's causing the NCAA to look at the much stiffer penalties it's considering so there's the possibility of a brightside.
Hopefully this means nothing in terms of Reeves, but I imagine he'd have a hard time choosing the arch-rival school of the one his best friend will be playing for.
Wow Penn State must hate Ohio more than ever.
PSUs class is going to be 4 kids when all is said and done. Sheesh.
Penn State is going to struggle for a while I think.
not the best analogy b/c of two completely different situations, but it sort of goes to show that when you get in trouble with just the NCAA (ohio, usc, etc.) it doesn't hurt that bad, but when the real cops get involved (psu, michigan w/ ed martin) it stings for a long time.
Congrats to Ohio. We will see how it plays out on the field the next 5 to 10 years! Nothing to worry about. Hoke and Co. have done a great job recruiting and it will continue.
On a more positive note, Todd McShay just said that Hemmingway has moved himself into the 3-4 rd range based on the east-west shrine game practices. Good for him!
As as aside, OSU poaching PSUs best recruits not only benefits them but also cripples their likely competitors in their division. It will be interesting to see if Wisconsin can keep up their success or if OSU simply will dominate their division in the upcoming years.
Is very dissimilar to another east cost cornerback that I know of ....
Maybe "home" is a code word for "pussy" and we just don't know it.
Though right before it, he was begging for a porn star to "follow" him.
Thought u were joking at first, but u certainly were not. What is with cornerbacks these days?
There is nothing wrong with following a few porn stars on twitter every now and then. I thought this was America (randy marsh voice)
How hard is it to flip kids from a place with the problems that Penn State is having, especially when the coach they hired hasn't even been able to fully assume the job yet? Poaching from Penn State is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Urban Meyer has been able to focus pretty much exclusively on recruiting since he was hired on November 28. And Ohio's class had been light before then because of the scandal and the coaching uncertainty. Meyer is really just making up lost ground.
Our class has been near-full for a while, and there aren't many 2012 kids that we're still actively pursuing. The only Penn State commit we're recruiting is Reeves. Relax, everything is going to be okay.
it sucks that Ohio didn't get hit harder by the NCAA sanctions, but with that said, it's better for us and the big 10 to have Michigan and Ohio strong. Nothing better than beating a great Ohio team in the game. Having both teams strong and relevant nationally is needed to battle the SEC as a top footbaw conference.
And as somebody else stated above, he's flipping recruits from MSU and PSU. If he starts beating Hoke head to head for recruits consistently I'll worry, but it seems like Hoke and staff can handle their business very well so at this time, no concerns.
No other teams can keep up with Michigan and Ohio. These next ten years are going to be a blast in my opinion. We are going to have just brutal battles. Hahaha, good luck to the rest of the Little 10. Try to keep up if you may.
That might be good news for Michigan. I thought Penn State was the bigger threat, so with his friend leaving, it might make Armani also more apt to leave his PSU commitment.
when he starts stealing True Blue Michigan recruits. That being said, I certainly hope Reeves sees through that bucknut nonsense and goes Blue
I think Hoke has an in-home with Reeves tomorrow. That's the only news I got...
Has a PSU visit next week. That may help us, as it will put more distance between OSU this week and his ultimate decision.
My gut still says it is a PSU/Michigan battle, with a lean to PSU. I think OSU was a little behind. But we shall see. The longer he doesn't commit to OSU, the better.
I love how everyone hates Meyer fire flipping recruits when Coach Hoke is doing the same thing.....
I hate Meyer for existing as well, but Hoke does the same thing too. It's the nature of the rivalry.
With respect to Reeves, this is mixed news, not bad news. It probably makes OSU more appealing, since he'd have a friend there, but it probably makes PSU less appealing, since the wheels look like they're coming off of this recruiting class.
In my view PSU was more of a threat than OSU before this, so this might actually make Reeves more likely to end up in Ann Arbor.
Part of what makes us Michigan, and earned many of us the title, "Michigan Men" is that we do things our way - the right and best way - and don't worry about everyone else. I had an opposing fan tell me once that the most frustrating thing about losing to Michigan was that we didn't act like anything different was ever a possibility. Keep it together gentlemen!
With David Perkins and now Williams singing, I believe that gives them 82 total. I wonder how many more Urban will sign? How much more attrition will they have?
Gambrell was kicked off the team for beating up his pregnant gf and Clark was kicked for his second or third dui. It's not like they were just released because Meyer didn't like them. I would say those are two solid reasons.
I remember reading that Williams and Reeves really wanted to go to school together and that was one of the reasons it'd be hard to flip Reeves to come here. Now that Williams is going to Ohio I'm really concerned that Reeves will follow.
He also said he eliminated UM the first time because they came in too late. Well, Ohio can't come in much later than they did.
It is easy to say Ohio's recruiting class would not be nearly what it is without the PSU situation. Ohio is flourishing from that just like we flourished from Ohio's "tatgate"