I was just told by some of my friends that Sam Webb just reported that Jake Fisher committed to Oregon. Tom, what is going on? Can you confirm this?
EDIT: Sorry there is no link or anything, I will be looking for one after class.
I'm pretty sure that's a felony in sixteen states.
Only if you get caught.
I had a feeling he was going out of state.
OL becomes a huge need for the 2012 class.
Didn't we say that for 2011 class also?
Depth takes a hit, but we have a good core.
I think we'll need a couple blue chips for 2012.
Yeah, but I don't think we did all that poorly at OL in this class. We picked up a highly rated OG in Chris Bryant, Jack Miller at OC/OG who some are split on but most feel will be a good to very good OL and Tony Posada who could play OG or OT for us and is enormous.
It would have been nice to get 1-2 more guys, especially another highly rated guy, but for a relatively small class that needed a lot of defense the three we got are solid.
If we don't get Fisher, that will be one more scholarship for 2012 that we can fill with an OT. I expect 4 OL in the next class, and they'll probably all be good.
Didn't landing Bryant make us strong front runners to get Diamond? Think that was his name. From what I heard he is supposed to be a very highly rated lineman in next years class.
Diamond is still very high on Michigan even after RR was let go, so the commitment of Bryant can only help matters further. Diamond is already a top100 player on scout, so he could be a great pickup next year.
oops, double post
is the fact that right down the road at Eastern, Ron English has 2 commits from Chicago Simeon kids.
I totally forgot about Posada. I agree about the Fisher thing. He looks like he has high ceiling based on his size, but I don't think getting him is the end all be all.
I just really hope we can get Jordan Diamond next year, Simeon also has a 6-3 QB, but I'm not sure if he is what the coaches are looking for. I have no idea what kind of passer he is, but he is listed as a dual threat on Rivals.
I bet we'll all find out tomorrow.
I'm guessing some time around 8am.
What's happening tomorrow?
or NSD, one or both !!
is Sam Webb on the radio at 2 pm ??? your friends probably heard the rehash from this morning, which he did not say that, but wasn't enthused.
As far as O linemen go, can they play in any offense or do they have certain physical differences that make them more suited to Oregon or RR offenses more so than a pro style and vice verse? I guess I just always thought they could play anywhere and it's just a matter of where they want to play. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but the fact that Fisher wants to play in a different style offense got me wondering.
Offensive linemen in a spread offense MAY be a little smaller (weight wise) but they are also a little quicker on their feet. It allows them to get out on the edge or up the field a little faster to make a block for the dual threat QB or RB's. But as shown multiple times on this site, OL on our team were pretty average sized, even for "pro-style" systems, even though many argued that our spread offense OL was not going to be able to block bigger DL's. It just comes down to if the OL is more nimble or quicker on his feet. If he is, he is able to contribute in either system, but he may be a better fit for a spread offense than a OL that is not quite as quick on his feet. Either way, an OL is able to play in a pro-style offense, essentially.
I don't know what has been reported by who. I also don't want to say too much here, I'll let Jake announce it tomorrow.
Negatively cryptic Tom makes me sad.
So you can do the math...
Ah but that was only a gut feeling accompanied by Tom saying he didn't know.
This is far more cryptic.
TomVH: " I also don't want to say too much here, I'll let Jake announce it tomorrow."
Playing the optimistic psychologist, I'd say Fisher could be a Michigan lean by this statement. Otherwise, Tom may not have minded letting the cat out of the bag a bit by saying something like, "I would guess Jake's going to Oregon..."
We'll all find out tomorrow.
Does anyone else feel like there will be a surprise signee tomorrow?
Not really no. There are 5 guys in play after Rawls has committed. No one is going to suddenly commit to us not having even met the new staff.
If you're referring to Fisher than I'm confused, not the first time just ask my wife, because I thought Hoke had flown to traverse to meet with him. It was in one of those threads where we were using flight tracker and it showed the UM plane in TC.
Fisher is one of the five still in play:
Fisher, Cooper, Clark, Willingham, Barnett
but no, I don't think we will see any surprises. TomVH is pretty good at what he does. I don't think he'd let one fly under the radar like that. You never can tell until signing day, but I'd say probably not.
As long as he's not going to Michigan State it's not a big deal to me.
of these posts.
"my friend said he heard this - can somebody let me know if it's true?"
all this post was missing was a reference to "ESPN having reported it"
and it's only 2pm. Going to be a long day/night/blizzard/drinking session.
... told me he heard a rumor that TomVH is dropping his current commitment to Mgoblog and signing with Michigan. Another acquaintance's boss's wife reported on twitter that Scout and Rivals disagree, but that ESPN has the full scoop in an Insider article.
With all this activity, I'm worried about oversigning. Maybe Saban can give us some tips.
MGoBlog is slowly becoming a lazy google. Google is fucking easy as hell and people refuse to use it. My favorite is honestly when someone said "my friend said ESPN reported (insert rumor) earlier today" and said person didn't have the sense to... visit espn.com to see if it was reported earlier that day.
Neither TomVH, nor MGoBlog, is here to clear up secondhand info.
With all the uncertainty around the program lately and with even more uncertainty around tomorrow, I hope we're at the pinnicle of the crazy rumor mill. I have to believe things will settle down once the coaching staff settles down this Spring. Then... to the Big 10 Championship we sail!!!
But, I certainly understand the frustration... seems too many of us get caught up in the media frenzy/addiction of being first to post anything remotely interesting.
Not blaming Jake. The kid chooses what he feels is in his best interest. I second the above, fuck Mich. State.
"Hey Santa-- I know it's Dec. 24th and all, and you probably have plenty of work to do, but I was wondering if I could re-write my list and have you look it over??"
It's crunchtime in the TomVHCave... Let the man work.
TomVH Cave >> Bat Cave
I definitely read TVH's messages as: Jake committed to Oregon but wants to announce it himself. Pretty clear, actually.
Too bad. But maybe Jake is better suited for a spread offense than a classic B10 one.
Yeah, who wants a massive yet athletic OT anyway.
This might slowly start to turn into, "We never really wanted him anyways" thread. I can't remember where I saw this, but making those posts is/was a no-no on mgoblog.
Fisher wants to play in a spread system. He does not want to beef up and become a big ten hog. I am from Traverse City and know some people...... He is a high school tight end and wants to remain on the slender side. FWIW
I don't have Oregon's roster in front of me but I'm sure they like their tackles to be 300lbs, especially if they're 6'7". So does the NFL.
Just relaying what I heard dude. We all know what the NFL looks for in Tackles.
quest for the perfect screen name (or massive drug binge) did "mustytaint" seem like the one?
Thats exactly how I came up with my name.
Well that settles it. if your from Traverse City AND you know people, then it must be true.
FWIW my family is connected to Fisher's high school program.....and the coaches all seem to think he wants to stay as thin as possible at the next level. Its not the end of the world either.....although he is a prospect with a high upside he is lazy and thats a fact cause I have seen him play in person.
But what you said is ridiculous. "Jake wants to play for Oregon bc he doesn't want to bulk up" is like saying a QB wants to play in the spread because he doesn't want to get good at throwing. Just because some of Oregon's OTs weren't massive didn't mean they liked it that way.
I thought Oregon could have used some beef against Auburn. Big, Wisconsin Elephantesque O-lineman would have worked nicely down around the goal line, where their small and fast line had issues with Auburn's big and fast line..
To me it seemed like the Oregon OL was getting blown back consistently.
I'm sure that the fact that Oregon just played in a NC game while we're a gigantic question mark right now has nothing to do with it.
I'm sorry but the kid wanted to come to Michigan up until a month ago and we were still in the Big Ten then. Our lineman are definitely not small, but they aren't Wisconsin huge either. I don't think the new staff is going to tell him he has to be 325 pounds. He's about the same size as Lewan so I'd see him bulking up to about 300 pounds which is about what the average pro lineman is.
180 degrees different than you.
You're reading Tom's "I'm not optimistic" emails as a positive sign?
This that closely.
Shutting up now, obviously off base.
Wondering if there are any other OTs that we've been in contact with that we're just not hearing about.
I wonder if Flavin or Nowicki could still be flipped. Too bad we didn't pull Westerman, should have been one we could have pulled with Roh and Lewan here.
Are you saying that since Lewan and Roh are from Arizona? Or, are you thinking they all went to the same school? Roh and Lewan went to Chaparral in Scottsdale and Westerman goes to Hamilton in Chandler.
Good heavens man! Get a hold of yourself. He's announcing tomorrow at 8:00 am.
"Just talked to my boy who chilled with deathony .. And your Olineman who were are trying to steal went last weekend to Oregon as well and said he's going to Oregon .. Haha" my roommate from Oregon big duck fan just texted me that this morning cause I told him the other day we might lose one of our oline recruits. Sounds like they might have snaked Arnett away from sc too. Who knows what's true.. But that's what that ass clown texted me this morning. He doesn't spell very well.
arnett wants to play in the SEC, period.
"Sounds like they might have snaked Arnett away from sc too."
Last I checked, Arnett was a Tennessee commit...just saying, but your boy's boy needs to lay off the meth.