A call for patience (but not calm)

Submitted by michgoblue on

I know that many - myself included - are outraged that Hoke hasn't been summarily dismissed effective this morning.  Even putting aside the Morris incident, I think that it is clear that Hoke will be gone by the end of the season.  He has reached the RichRod post-Ohio State 2010 phase of no longer remaining a viable option.  In part because of the results, and in part because of public perception of him and his competence. Regardless, he is almost certainly gone.

The pathetic loss to Minny, coupled with the Morris incident lead many of us, myself included, the believe that Hoke should be terminated immediately.  But, what does immediately really mean in this instance?  Given our downward spiral, both on the field and in the court of public opinion, it is critical that any firing of Hoke be handled as perfectly as possible.  Sure, firing Hoke is easy,  But, the second part of that process is (1) who will coach for the remainder of the season, and (2) what is the long term plan?  We don't want to just fire away without having answers to these questions ready, otherwise we are without a coach for the upcoming Rutgers game. 

Lining up a coach to take over for the rest of the season is not necessarily something that can be accomplished overnight.  While Mattison might be the obvious choice, perhaps he declined, either of out loyalty to Hoke or out of a genuine desire NOT to be a head coach.  Who then, would you propose to take over?  It is possible that the delay in firing Hoke is simply Brandon spending a few days lining up what he perceives to be the right person to take over on an interim basis.  Also, looking at the schedule, if Brandon views the season as already gone, perhaps he is going to wait until right after Penn State, at which time the bye week would allow the interim coach two weeks to work with the team.

Am I being generous, delusional, hopeful?  Perhaps, but I cannot believe for a second that even Brandon can see the cascade of negative press and think that Hoke is a viable candidate for even the rest of the season.

 

MGoSteelers

September 29th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^

"It is possible that the delay in firing Hoke is simply Brandon spending a few days lining up what he perceives to be the right person to take over on an interim basis."

 

Worked so well a couple years ago, why not let him do it again?

michgoblue

September 29th, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^

While I agree that the last hire didn't work our so well, I do think that in this instance - a mid-season firing with no obvious candidate lined up - taking a few extra days might be the best way forward, if it means installing someone who can guide us through this shit storm until the next coach is hired.

My personal preference would be to see Lloyd Carr take over for a few weeks.  Yes, he is going through serious family stuff, but many people in similar situations throw themselves into their work.  Again, not saying he would take it, but if he would, I think that he is a perfect candidate FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION.  I know, many here do not like Lloyd, believe that he didn't properly support RichRod and blame him for some of the culture of cronyism in our program.  I get those criticisms and they are valid.  But, our situation here is unique:

1.  We are in a PR crisis where the very character of our coach is being questioned.  Lloyd's character is beyond reproach.  He may not be perfect, but his character (and certainly the public perception of his character) is.

2.  We need a positive story right about now.  Former NC winning coach coming out of retirement to coach struggling team through the remainder of its disaster of a season seems to fit the bill.  Remember when Alvarez coached Wisconsin through its bowl game 2 years ago.  Win or lose, the alum were pumped up.

3.  Lloyd connects us with a better time at Michigan - many from my generation (1998 grad) think the world of Lloyd.

4.  For the seasons set our in 1-3, Lloyd could take some of the heat off of Brandon.  As Brandon is a political creature, he would see this as a massive benefit.

5.  Lloyd would not be looking for the job on a permanent basis.  So, it would still allow Michigan to go out and look for a permanent coach without any issues cropping up (see:  Fickell).

6.  Lloyd may actually be able to turn this around.  The team has talent.  Perhaps what it needs most at this point is a different message.  Again, Lloyd had his faults, but his players universally respected and played their asses off for him. 

Not saying that it will happer.  But I can't think of a better interim candidate for this specific situation.

aiglick

September 29th, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^

I actually agree with you but Lloyd, as you mentioned, has some serious family stuff occuring right now. He has to be on hand for that and I'm not sure he can be coach at this time even if it is clearly on an interim basis.

Not really sure what the solution is but if Lloyd is willing to be an interim coach while trying to help Chad out then by all means I'd be ecstatic.

JFW

September 29th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

We'd have to freakin' beg saying we fired him, but he might not be a bad stabilizer either. I'll admit I have an irrational liking for the guy because he's always say howdy as I walked from Chrisler to main campus. (I commuted)

ijohnb

September 29th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

you stop asking "Who is going to take over" and "Where do we go from here."  And many times the best answer is "anywhere but here."  People who get divorces don't have the first clue how to answer those questions, but they know that remaining where they are is destructive for everybody involved and that whatever "it" is needs to end before anything else can begin.

Now, firing Hoke may not be the entire answer, in fact I am sure it is not.  I don't know where this program goes from here, and I think we are again at the point where it gets worse before it gets better.  But I think pretty much everybody is ready for that to happen at this point.  I think that your thoughts still had some merit after the Utah game, but Minnesota was the kind of all systems failure that requires actions at a program like Michigan.

And they have capable interim coaches.  There is no reason that Mattison could not coach them to the end of the season, even Nussmeier could feasibly do it.  But it has gotten to the point where nothing can happen in this environment.  They have to worry not only about losing recruits but losing players to transfer (one in particular I would already be concerned about).

Sinsoftheschafer

September 29th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

Another possibility: The Regents, et. al. have reached the end of their rope with Brandon the way the rest of us have.  They have stripped his decision making authority while they try to work him out of the job.  They can't deal with Hoke until thy address the AD issues.  It may be that they are busy calling lawyers trying to figure out how to can DB without owing him alot of money -- that can take some time.  

LordGrantham

September 29th, 2014 at 1:48 PM ^

 

I cannot believe for a second that even Brandon can see the cascade of negative press and think that Hoke is a viable candidate for even the rest of the season.

Why not?  From Brandon's perspective, what is the worst that will happen if Hoke stays on until the end of the year?

Nothsa

September 29th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

to millions, which he did for years and years. He's obviously a cocky guy who believes in his abilities. While almost everyone here sees the rest of this season as a horrific problem to be solved, DB probably sees it as an opportunity that closely mirrors his experience selling pizza. This is to be his finest moment: convincing thousands to show up, wallets open, for the football equivalent of cheese on cardboard.

corundum

September 29th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

Unfortunately, I think Brandon will hold off until Michigan is mathematically eliminated from winning the Big Ten, which could be another 2-5 weeks. Brandon knows that he will be blamed for hiring Hoke, and will ride this out as long as he can.

Hannibal.

September 29th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

While we were being "patient" in 2010, we lost Anthony Zettel, Jake Fisher, Dee Hart, and God knows how many other prospects that Hoke could have been out actively recruiting if we had the good sense to name him our new HC after the OSU game. 

FrankMurphy

September 29th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

The fact that Hoke was allowed to issue that bullshit statement last night and his responses during that farce of a press conference indicate that there has been a total breakdown of leadership within the athletic department. Given what we know about David Brandon, I highly doubt that there's anything going on behind the scenes. Hoke absolutely deserves to be fired immediately for that stunt, but the sad reality is that, barring intervention by Schlissel and the regents, he'll still be employed through the Ohio State game. Because this is Michigan, fergodsakes.

Leaders and Best™ 

WolverineHistorian

September 29th, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^

Technically, Moeller wasn't fired. He was ordered a one year leave of absence for his drunken night in a restaurant to get his head together but he chose to resign instead.

Many in the media thought he got a raw deal. Even our rivals coaches (John Cooper at OSU and George Perles at MSU) went public and said he deserved a second chance. But UM wasn't having it.

Sideline

September 29th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^

Is this possible? Is it possible that Hoke has the REIGNS of this offense and is holding Nussmeier back? I've seen a LOT of the onld formations, two backs in the backfield, etc. that I have never seen at Bama. I have been [fortuneately] watching Bama since the 2011 season because the girl I started dating's whole family love Alabama and have been forced to watch every game. Coincidentally, is that not when Nussmeier became their OC? They run pretty simple plays, made McCarron look like an NFL Draft pick. Granted they had more depth and proven depth at that along most positions. This offense looks like the EXACT same offense as last year. If it's simply because the O-line is that bad... then get rid of everyone remotely close to the O-line. I don't believe for one second that EVERY SINGLE 4 and 5-star recruit we have are busts. It's CLEARLY on Hoke and possibly Nussmeier. But they've been getting progressively worse, year after friggen year.

#FireHoke.

Sideline

September 29th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

Is this possible? Is it possible that Hoke has the REIGNS of this offense and is holding Nussmeier back? I've seen a LOT of the onld formations, two backs in the backfield, etc. that I have never seen at Bama. I have been [fortuneately] watching Bama since the 2011 season because the girl I started dating's whole family love Alabama and have been forced to watch every game. Coincidentally, is that not when Nussmeier became their OC? They run pretty simple plays, made McCarron look like an NFL Draft pick. Granted they had more depth and proven depth at that along most positions. This offense looks like the EXACT same offense as last year. If it's simply because the O-line is that bad... then get rid of everyone remotely close to the O-line. I don't believe for one second that EVERY SINGLE 4 and 5-star recruit we have are busts. It's CLEARLY on Hoke and possibly Nussmeier. But they've been getting progressively worse, year after friggen year.

#FireHoke.

mjv

September 29th, 2014 at 2:07 PM ^

The interim coach is already on the staff.  Mattison.  If he doesn't want to take it because of his friendship with Hoke, then Nuss.  There is no need to go outside for an interim coach.

Mr Miggle

September 29th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^

Mattison is the obvious choice. If he doesn't want it the next one up is less obvious. Jackson or Hecklinski would be my choices. I think Nussmeier would be an unwise choice. Having an interim coach who's auditioning for the job will complicate the coaching search. We've had a history of keeping the interims: Fisher, Ellerbe, Carr. Instead of a real coaching search we could end up with a decision based on whether he did enough to keep the job. He might not be a terrible hire, but that's not the process I want to see.

ontarioblue

September 29th, 2014 at 2:07 PM ^

And probably the rest of his contract. The only hot seat he is on is the one that isnt in Ann Arbor. He has Brandons backing and I dont see a new president canning his golden goose.

Hannibal.

September 29th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^

It's very hard to say.  It really depends upon whether Brandon has a little bit of self-preservation instinct, and whether he comes to the realization that his career is pretty much finished unless he rescues it somehow.  I keep wondering what goes on inside that empty head of his.  I am of the belief that Brandon will be quicker to pull the trigger than most people think this time around.  If he doesn't, then he can kiss any future political aspirations goodbye.  He is about to be fired in humiliating ignomy.

Mr Miggle

September 29th, 2014 at 5:01 PM ^

I'd be very surprised if it were any more than that. The new president may not care that much about football, but he and the regents care a lot about protecting the school's reputation. Michigan is making a lot of press and it's all bad. They were even attacked on NPR this morning. I can only imagine the kind of feedback he and the regents are getting. I sure wouldn't want to be a university fundraiser today either.

The chances that they would defer to Brandon under these circumstances seem very remote. Whatever clout he once had is mostly gone anyway.

 

An Angelo's Addict

September 29th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

Wasn't patience the biggest problem when transitioning from RR to Hoke? I understand your point but hope that our AD isn't "patiently" waiting for this to go from extremely terrible, to even more extremely terrible and worse and then fire Hoke in 3 months. Just do it likea bandaid, right off!

Wolv1984

September 29th, 2014 at 2:20 PM ^

My issue is that after graduating from Michigan I worked there for a bit and the attitude was often "Michigan [the institution] does not need to answer to the masses.  We are Michigan and a top tier school thus you cannot understand why we do the things we do, because you are not smart like us."  

This leads to Michigan often abusing FOIA, HIPAA, etc when say a Doctor is found watching child porn at UMHS, etc.  This school is fucking amazing at burying stuff in dark holes in the ground as much as we like to think otherwise and believe there is a higher standard here.  

When we can't bury it we start talking about all the good we do for the state and people, the top tier services we provide, etc and make it seem as if attacking us is a bad thing because of all the good works you impact.  It's almost its own section in the Standard Practice Guide (Michigan's policy guide for things).  

There needs to be a mob, the the Regents need to start thinking this will be an actual issue with legs that might haunt them during the next election, the new President needs to see our name getting destroyed on the national news, because my personal bet is that lots of bureaucrats in both Schembechler Hall and Fleming are saying "We can talk our away out of this and bury the skeleton."  This isn't just Brandon, Brandon might be the master of this practice, but the school was honing to an art form long before he started drawing a paycheck here.  Too many people otherwise smart people get really dumb and start thinking the Block M is coated in teflon.

Go Blue in MN

September 29th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

If you need to fire the coach immediately (we do), then you do it.  You then start asking someone (Mattison would be my first choice) to serve as interim coach.  This is not only the right procedure, it also has the benefit of making it more likely Mattison would accept as compared to if he was asked before Hoke were fired.  If Mattison says no, then ask Jackson, Moeller, maybe Nussmeier (although he is tainted too), Manning, Carr, the Ghost of Bo, whoever.  Someone will say yes.  It's better than leaving Michigan hanging out there as a national punching bag day after day.

MaizeNBlu628

September 29th, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^

I think the best interim coach option would be if Carr came back and be the caretaker for the rest of the year. It would be the ideal transition, he could recruit with the message that he will take care of the kids and that he will still be with the program once the permanent coach is put in place. Although with the recent unfortunately news with his grandson, it is probably best to spend as much time with Chad and family as possible.

Huskie45

September 29th, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^

No on will be brought in from the outside. Just not going to happen. If fired, a coordinator or position coach would take over. I personally believe that Brandon will be asked to resign shortly after the season followed by firing of Hoke. The new AD will ends to be in place ASAP and then a coach found. There ate a lot of moving parts here and it starts with the AD. My guess is that the new AD is the first thing the Pres/Board will work on. That is as important as a new coach.

sleeper

September 29th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^

I think that if nothing improves over the next two games they will fire him during the bye week. This will give whoever the interim coach is a little extra time to adjust and develop whatever type of plan he has for the rest of the season. As for who that is, I have no idea, it would be intersting to see Nuss, just to see what he would do if Hoke wasn't around influencing the offense.

pezhed

September 29th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

Ok it's obvious Hoke isn't going to be here next year.  Even if there was some miraculous turn around The environment he created it just too toxic.  

 

Just tell me who the next HC is going to be.  Seems pretty clear it's not going to be a Harbaugh or Miles...