A call for calm / reasons for hope

Submitted by michgoblue on

Watching our beloved Wolverines suffer yet another frustrating loss to a team that is not all that good, while our offense continues to look inept for large stretches of time, has been incfedibly frustrating and tough on the fanbase.  That this is the 6th out of 7 years in which Michigan has really struggled (Lloyd's final season, all of Rich Rod's, all of Hoke other than 2011), has left us all depressed, angry, frustrated and pretty much emotionally fatigued with respect to Michigan football.  The emo / ennui has permeated this board, and even (especially) the front page content.  All of it is justified.

That said, with our biggest rival (are they still a rival when we never beat them?  Do they consider us a rival, or is it more like our rivalry with MSU pre-2008?  Oh, wait, positive post, sorry) coming into town this Saturday for what is always my favorite day of the year, I was hoping to generate some discussion on reasons for optimism, with a healthy side dose of reasons that we might not be too bad off if the coaching staff remains intact. 

I am sure that some of these will be met with disagreement, which is fine, but my hope is that we can try to keep a civil, high-level discounse on these topics, instead of the usual "Al Borges are fat" stuff.  Here goes:

1.  Let's start with the defense.  They have faded down the stretch a few times, but this unit is well above average, trending towards solidly good.  Now look at the roster?  Which real contributor do we lose?  I count all of nobody.  Avery hasn't been a significant contributor, and one of the up and comers may even be an improvement at his position.  As for QWash ans Black, both have been very good, but we get back Pipkins.  Also, Henry has really come on.  I am really excited to see him after another full camp.  Also, there doesn't seem to be any concerns about coaching on this side of the ball. So, we have a young defense that returns just about everyone, with another full offseason / camp under great coaching, next year.  Add in Peppers and some of the young guys for depth, and this unit should be anywhere from VERY GOOD to DOMINANT. 

Quick aside to address the only concern that I have heard about the D, which is that they have feded down the stretch.  That tends to happen a lot with younger teams.  Sure, coaches shouldn't allow it and all that, but it happens.  Younger units tend to be (1) more erratic, (2) prone to busts on a play to play basis, and (3) tend to collapses down the stretch.  Also, hard to fault them when they get stop after stop after stop and the offense just keeps shooting itself in the foot and giving the ball right back.  That would demoralize any unit, especially a young one.

2.  The offense.  I know, worse offensive output since ever.  Incompetent play-calling.  Lack of improvement.  Hard to dispute those concerns, but let me try.  First, a QB and a RB are only as good as their offensive line.  You could have Tom Brady at QB this season, and if he doesn't have 3-5 seconds to go through his 7-step drops, his reads and his progressions, it won't matter.  Tom Brady or Peyton Manning can't do anything at QB when there are defenders in their face before they complete their drop.  While Devin has been a disappointment this year, this whole season is almost a useless data point on him, given the state of the blocking.  The only conclusion to draw with respect to Devin is that he is not a very good QB in the situation where his line, RB and TE can't block for him.  That's it.  We have no knowledge from this season as to how he will do when he is put in a situation in which he can actually play QB as opposed to looking like a kid running from "it" playing tag.  I think that the better data point is last season and the beginning of this season when we actually did have some blocking.  In those situations, he looked damn good.  So, if we can get any blocking going for him, I still think that Devin is going to be damn good.

Same goes for the RB production.  I will say that Fitz has been terrible this year in two regards;  he can't block for shit and he falls backwards.  That said, since dropping a few pounds, #1 RB in the 2013 recruiting class Derrick Green has looked very good, even with our craptastic line.  For 2 straight games, he has shown an ability to get north/south and fall forward on contact.  Remember that this is a kid who missed much of camp with some injuries and who came in overweight.  I am absolutely psyched to see this kid next season after a full offseason in a college S&C program and then a summer camp.  He is going to be special, in my opinion.  Also, don't write off Mr. Leg Churn Smith.  Offseason S&C, summer camp - he is going to be damn good, as well.

How about TE?  I almost don't include Funch here, but Jake Butt has looked very good this season, despite being way underweight and a true freshman (as a position that is notoriously difficult for freshmen to play).  Offseason S&C and another full camp - I expect a very solid to good season from Butt.  When we line up Funch as a TE in a 2-TE set, we will have some serious match-up problems for defenses next season. 

WR - hard to be optimistic about losing our #1 WR, but I actually am.  We should get Darboh back next season.  His camp buzz was pretty high last season.  If he returns to full strength, he could be very good.  Also, Chesson is still raw, but he has steadily improved throughout the season.  Exactly the type of player who could make a jump with a full offseason and camp (I know, common theme, but we are a really young team).  Between these two, Funchess and some of the young kids, I think that our receiving corps will actually be fine next season.

OK, I saved OL for last because it obviously is the biggest problem for our team.  We knew coming in that this was going to be a rough spot for the team.  Without assigning blame, RR taking all of 4 guys over 2 seasons, one of whom never played, followed by the "process" 2011 class, this position was a gaping crater when Hoke arrived.  When he came in, it was an area that he immediately addressed through recruiting, but the fact is that recruiting addressed the problem 3-4 years down the road.  For 2012, 2013 and even 2014 to some extent, this position was doomed before Hoke walked in the door, and there is simply nothing that can be done about it. 

With that as a backdrop, let's look at next year's line.  Mags, Glasgow and Kalis are all logging plenty of PT.  While they aren't playing well, I attribute that more to lack of experience than anything else. The tools are there.  If they all put on the requisite good weight this offseason (especially Mags), and work on improving their chemistry as a unit, they should all be serviceable.  As for the tackles, at the beginning of the season, I would have said that losing Lewan and Schofield was be insurmountable, neither has been particularly good this season.  Yes, Lewan will be a loss, but he has been far from what he was last year.  Also, I will not miss the 1-2 stupid penalties that get almost every week.  On balance, I expect that our line will continue to struggle at times, but that we will stabilize such that we will at least give our playmakes time to work, and will actually improve by next season.  Hell, I know that this is not a popular opinion, but I think that the line has actually improved over the padt two weeks.  The offense is far from there, but there were numerous plays against Iowa where Devin had time in the pocket.  Also, while I am still not overly optimistic for next season, after that I expect the line and the offense with it to really take off.  2015 will return the entire depth chart from 2014.  That's Wisconsin level line continuity.

Finally, coaching.  I know, we all hate Borges arouns here, and I will convince nobody, but I offer the following:

1.  The offense has sucked this season, with the aforementioned OL issues.  What does this tell us about Borges?  That he is not a good OC with a shit terrible OL.  That's all.  It doesn't tell us how he would do with a good line.  Maybe he is just not good at sealing with this particular type of situation, but he is excellent with a fully-functioning offense?  Maybe not.  They point is that being bad in one situation does not necessarily translate into being bad at everything.  Mitch McGary is a terrible FT shooter.  Does that mean that he is a bad shooter from the top of the key?  Or from the paint?  Remember that Al was the OC during our very successful 2011 season?  Sure,the players were RR's players, but who was calling the plays?  Al, and they worked just fine.  Shows that he can be very good given a halfway decent OL. 

2.  Transitions suck.  I know that many have discounted this, but this really is our first season running the offense that we will ultimately run.  When Denard was here, we run pretty much a RR spread with only a sprinkling of pro-style concepts.  There should be a 2nd year jump for the offense next season.

3.  Other coaches struggle in their third year.  When a coach is fired, it tends to be that his seat was hot for a while, and his late-tenure recruiting was bad.  RR's seat was hot from day 1, and his last season or two of recruiting was a complete mess.  Who care's why, it just was.  When a new coach comes in, their 3rd year team is made up primarily of the last coach's prior two classes.  As RR's last classes were disasters, and the 2011 class that followed was sacrificed to Brandon's "process," Hoke is really in the difficult position of a "bare cupboard across the board.  This third year was always going to be a struggle as the Late Lloyd / early RR recruits graduated over the past season, and their replacements are almost entirely young kids or low-ranked, different system oriented RR recruits.  This should work its way through over the next 2 seasons, such that next season will be better and by 2015 we will be "fully stocked."  One analogous situation:  MSU was 6-7 in Dantonio's 3rd season.  Hoke is currently 7-4.  Where would MSU be if they had prematurely canned Dantonio or either of his coordinators?

Sorry for the length of this post.  Discuss.

Soulfire21

November 25th, 2013 at 11:32 AM ^

Michigan will be the second toughest defense Ohio State has faced all season, the first being Wisconsin.  Included on the chart is Michigan's defensive FEI, currently 19th of 125.

Opponent DFEI Rnk
Buffalo 82
SDSU 60
Cal 97
Florida A&M NR
Wisconsin 8
Northwestern 26
Iowa 46
Penn State 67
Purdue 98
Illinois 101
Indiana 113
Michigan 19

Also, going back to 1969 (aribitrary, I know), Ohio State has never won by more than 11 in Ann Arbor.

Ohio State 2011 was one of Borges' best-called games (despite OSU being an underwhelming 6-5 when rolling in to town), and the first half of last year's game in Columbus was also called very well.  Hopefully with some home field magic, we will have a game in the 4th quarter.

blueblueblue

November 25th, 2013 at 11:24 AM ^

To me, this is the type of anfractuous, glacial post should also result in some sort of punishment. Like being banned from posting threads. This is anotother sort of lack of self control that is abhorrent. 

akim

November 25th, 2013 at 11:26 AM ^

As Ace pointed out in an earlier podcast, the irony that Borges is the type of OC that will be able to execute when he is put in a position to succeed...

I'm trying to have hope for the future, because without that I've got nothing.  Still debating on season tickets for next year, I'd like to but am I just paying for heartache?

The greatest concern is the trajectory in production is downwards in a year over year basis, but I think if Brady sticks with Borges, they will get 1 more year at least, and then it's all about the numbers.  If things do not get better next year............

Giff4484

November 25th, 2013 at 11:28 AM ^

When talking to Jamie Morris. He basically asked when is Michigan going to be good again and how much longer do they need? This next year stuff is really a selfish excuse by anyone who uses it when you have fans like that guy who might not be here next year. Michigan is going on what 7 years of below average play now minus the Sugar Bowl year?

Giff4484

November 25th, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^

Not every Michigan fan has until 2020 to wait around. If this program was Purdue or Indiana that is fine to say we are young and wait until this year and we will win. It really is an excuse that has been said for almost 7 years now. I think it is selfish when fans say it to the people who are sick of being down.

That guy doesnt have 10 years for Michigan to get over itself and the Michigan man problem it has with our coaching tree.

 Just because you or I might be younger and can wait around doesnt give me or you or any of us the right to tell our older fans to keep on waiting.

SalvatoreQuattro

November 25th, 2013 at 12:39 PM ^

guarantee that a new coach would return UM to glory immediately. UM's success is dependent on variety of factors some of which cannot be controlled.(injuries)Secondly, one does not make decisions based on how much time left some fans have in this world.

All due respect, but your point is silly and irrelevant.

WolverineDude92

November 25th, 2013 at 11:29 AM ^

im with you. me and my dad watch the game last week and tho hawks won, we said "hey, we only got down 3 at game over!" and so im thinkin we could beup 3 at game over against buckets thisweke?

lota good talent outhere. we got gadenr, gallon (jugs lol hot babes), funcheckers (lolol), matterson can coach and then u gota think we at the big place! 

GO BLUE

WolverineDude92

November 25th, 2013 at 11:35 AM ^

y? borges has no senior, he cant win easy, but hes got smarts. trick plays that fly like a sneaky bat and take your fruit lol. flea flcik, statue, little giant, all good magic plays that borg can run and mayor wont even know it !

VAWolverine

November 25th, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^

is one of the most insanely idiotic (and rehashed)  things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent thesis were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having read this. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

michgoblue

November 25th, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^

Yeah, because all of the "man, we suck, can we fire borges, hoke, funk, brandon" and we hate uniformzzzz threads are original.  If you didn't like the post, sorry.  It was actually longer than I intended it to be.  But I think that there are actually many reasons for us to realize that our program, while having a tough season, is actually going to get better over tmie, perhaps as soon as next season. Instead of all of the negative crap, I think that there are more interesting to discuss.  If you disagree, that's fine. 

nappa18

November 25th, 2013 at 2:04 PM ^

Rough and angry people out there. Bad day at the warehouse I guess. I, for one, enjoyed your effort. But, talk about rose colored glasses. Beyond optimistic. Hoke has 2 years, if he does not at least get to BT championship game he is gone.

michgoblue

November 25th, 2013 at 2:16 PM ^

First, I agree that I have rose colored glasses with respect to Michigan.  It's the only way for me toget through this season and rationalize my love of the Hoke hire with the current product on the field.

Second, I agree with your time frame.  My admittedly optimistic post predicts improvement next year, with the rubber hitting the road in 2015.  If that doesn't happen, Hoke and the whole staff should go.

Monocle Smile

November 25th, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^

Nothing new posted here. Just a bunch of re-hashed talking points.

Watch the offense struggle against App State next year. We'll end up winning 3-0 and the Borges apologists will all suffer aneurysms.

At this point, I'm beyond giving a crap if Hoke cares about The Game. His offensive coordinator, as demonstrated last year, clearly does not.

Forgive me.

November 25th, 2013 at 11:44 AM ^

what we don't know.  That is the lesson of this season (and clearly the lesson of the previous coaching regime). If, as the OP predicts, we are contending for the B1G championship in 2015, then patience will be have been the correct course.  However, we won't know until we get there and just have to live with ambiguity until then. We are working with an incomplete data set here, just as we would if we were to wipe the slate clean and fire the staff or a portion thereof.  While it is clear we have trended negatively, it's hardly cast in stone that we are forever mired in mediocrity. Calm down and support your team. I'm sure these 18-22 year olds love being criticized for what may or may not be in their control (e.g., youth and inexperience) especially by a group of people who know nothing of the culture and rigors of elite-level football. 

AriGold

November 25th, 2013 at 11:54 AM ^

For bringing to light a lot of the posters on here who are blaming the young players...but to overlook the fact that Borges is terrible with all of the pertinent data that has been shown and proven on this board by multiple math minds is nieve to say the least...We have clearly gotten worse under the calls/coaching od Borges, and to keep on blaming RR and youth is no longer valid...teams are suppose to progress as the year goes by, the offense has been regressing nearly every week since Borges has taken over

Forgive me.

November 25th, 2013 at 12:07 PM ^

His playcalling is suspect at best. However, what I see more clearly is an offensive unit that does not have the pieces in place that would allow a coach the confidence to run much more than a handful of base plays and formations. That said, I would not mind seeing him replaced (though his WAR - wins above replacement - may only be this one game).

 

PurpleStuff

November 25th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

This team has one of the top WR in the B1G (2nd only to Allen Robinson in yards and catches), a 5th year senior All-American LT, another 5th year senior RT in his third year as a starter, a 5th year senior who posted a 1,000 yard season a few years ago at RB, and a 4th year QB who was an elite recruit, has starting experience, and was being raved about on the camp circuit this offseason (and after the ND game).  With a little addition from the supposedly awesome Hoke recruits, this is at least a solid offense and probably a damn good one.  Combined with our defense, the team would at worst have one loss right now (i.e. we'd be Auburn right now instead of looking up at the magical achievments of the Jerry Kill era).

In RR's third year, 3 QBs he'd recruited combined for 3,252 passing yards and 23 TD.  Smith/Shaw/Hopkins/Toussaint combined for over 1,200+ yards rushing and 19 TD.  Denard added another 1,700 yards rushing and 14 TD.  Roy Roundtree led the team with 72 catches (1st in B1G) for 935 yards (3rd in B1G) and 7 TD.  Patrick Omameh was a solid starter (Te'o probably thought so) at RG and Taylor Lewan was a freshman All-American at LT.

This year, Shane Morris (our only hope at QB on the roster going forward) has gone 5/9 for 65 yards and 1 INT.  Green/Smith/Rawls/Johnson/Hayes have combined for 299 yards rushing and 3 TD.  Chris Bryant and the touted 2012 OL recruits have played musical chairs all year as the offense has completely cratered.  Devin Funchess is awesome and would probably be approaching 1,000 yards if he hadn't spent the first third of the season blocking big guys instead of catching passes.  Butt and Chesson have a dozen catches each and 2 TD between them.

One guy from 2+ recruiting classes is making a real impact on this offense.  If it was just 2-3, the team would probably be fantastic (or at least good enough to dominate the likes of Iowa, PSU on double-secret probation, and Nebraska without their starting QB).  Instead we are where we are, and I don't see it getting better when Gallon/Lewan/Schofield/Fitz/Gardner aren't around to pick up the slack.

 

michgoblue

November 25th, 2013 at 11:48 AM ^

The thing that sets Fred apart from the rest of the coaches is that we have plenty of data on him.  He has coached some very good backs in the past 6 seasons.  Other than Fitz' one decent season, FJ has not produced a single good back.  Hell, Mike Cox is not playing in the NFL and we didn't give him a single meaningful snap during his years here.  FJ may be a good recruiter, but he has clearly lost a step in the whole coaching department.  He should retire, and we should bring in either Weatley or Hart.

AriGold

November 25th, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^

with most of the post except Al Borges...He is terrible and will not adjust to his play calling and giving him another year with yet another young o-line is flat-out saying you are OK with another 7 or 8 win season, or worse

befuggled

November 25th, 2013 at 12:04 PM ^

Look at October of 1998, where they averaged 15 points a game against 3-8 Iowa, 3-9 Northwestern, 4-7 Indiana and 5-6 Minnesota. Looking at the box scores, that 15 points per game includes three safeties.

As a whole that team managed to score more than 30 points against exactly one team with a pulse (Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl, and the 45 points against them included two defensive touchdowns).

While the line on that team had a lot of talent (e.g., Steve Hutchinson), I believe three of the starters were redshirt sophmores (including Hutchinson).

LSAClassOf2000

November 25th, 2013 at 12:18 PM ^

"Transitions suck. I know that many have discounted this, but this really is our first season running the offense that we will ultimately run. When Denard was here, we run pretty much a RR spread with only a sprinkling of pro-style concepts. There should be a 2nd year jump for the offense next season."

One thing that I think people may have missed in the last year is that the injury to Denard Robinson in last year's game against Nebraska set in motion a transformation for which we were not quite prepared. The numbers bear it out - the passing game has become markedly better since this game, whereas the rushing offense has indeed taken a tumble in production. 

Although we won 4 of the last 5 games last season despite putting a player who started the season taking mostly WR reps on the spot, we didn't make many radical shifts until this year. People are correct when they say that this is the first year we've gone full Borges, if you will. Part of me looks back on this season to date and wonders if this is the season we would have had anyway (within a win or two, mind you), even if Denard had been able to finish out 2012 as the QB. 

It may not excuse anything, but it does explain some things. 

Everyone Murders

November 25th, 2013 at 12:45 PM ^

This turn of phrase makes me smile, and I'll be working it into my discussions regarding The Game this week.  Thanks.

Also, I agree with the premise of your post - we are much more in a transition phase than we were last year.  Borges only partially introduced his system/philosophies in prior seasons because of the dilithium that is Denard Robinson.  And that was the right decision.

Patience is understandably thin in our fanbase.  But it doesn't change the fact that this is the first season we've gone full Borges.  It's also the anniversary of Devin Gardner being a starting quarterback.  Bitter as these past few weeks may have been, it can be invaluable experience for him looking forward.

None of which excuses some of the crap play-calling and general lack of development on the offense (needless to say the O-Line is in a funk).  But I still feel the future is bright as these players develop and new talent joins the fold.

Forgive me.

November 25th, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

His  threat set up the rest of the run scheme.   Remember the read option? If DG had half the first step (or first three steps) Denard had when escaping straight upfield pressure, the sack count would be greatly reduced along with many of the three and outs. 

BoWoody

November 25th, 2013 at 1:01 PM ^

That is my isssue with devin, he is big athletic qb, but when he is running hte ball he seems to be running slow, like he is injured or something.  like he passes the line of scrimage and isnt sprinting or at least showing signs of making the decision in his head that he is going full speed to get as many yards as he can.  I am not sure what the issue is or even if he is coached to do that.  But I think he is injured, and is not right.  So my question if he is injured why play him?  You are breaking him further (physically and mentally).  It isn't fair to the rest of the team cuz you cant win with an injured qb.  I am not sure about devin