spoiler alert: i linked this
I don't know that I like this game. BYU is that dangerous team that gains you little by beating it, but is huge if you lose.
Unless we're talking revenge for their National Championship game victory over one of our worst teams in the last 40 years...
"BYU is that dangerous team that gains you little by beating it, but is huge if you lose."
If we're going to schedule a team that is a non-cupcake, and actually a legitimate challenge, we should make it a sexier opponent.
how do we not gain anything from beating a team that is perennially in the top 25? We play cupcakes and people complain. We play good teams like Uconn and maybe BYU and we don't gain enough. If we play a team like Alabama or Texas, people complain that we can't beat them. Lets just be happy its not BGSU or App st
I, for one, LOVED the BGSU game.
While its not as sexy a matchup as Alabama or some other s
SEC team, BYU is far from a Macake. Wed get some love for playing them.
What's not sexy about BYU? I'd tap that.
Not only are ther plenty of sexies running around Provo, most of the dudes out there don't even appreciate them. The proof is in the link.
All they want is for someone to tell them they look nice in their new seimwear. Any takers?
Dude, that was the weirdest link to date. I can't believe I sat and read the comments. Conservative Mormons (redundant?) blow my mind with the way they think. I'd like to read their opinion on other pressing matters.
it was eye opening to say the least. One of the biggest shocks was the role (or lack there of) that women play in their society. To sum it up - shut up, go sit over there and pump out some babies.
I like the random guy in the middle who writes "pics or didn't happen".
That was my fav part as well. I was going to reply directly to the link, but you beat me to it (by about 45 minutes).
Any team not in the top 6 conferences is that way. If we beat them, great, if we lose- shoot yourself in the head.
Personally, I think that's a horrible idea. No good can come of it, at least none that I can put my finger on. Why play BYU as an out of conference with a home-and-home when that same type of arrangement could draw many more interesting matchups with west coast teams? Along those lines, I'd love to see a Michigan-Cal matchup. Two of the most liberal institutions butting heads on the gridiron.
Yeah! Cause we do awesome with those types of games!
How is BYU any different from Cal other than BYU being a better team the last 2-3 years?
Why is Cal more interesting than BYU? I, for one, am intrigued by BYU, both as the world's foremost Mormon university and as a good football team that plays a weak schedule. Plus they have Samoans!
I love samoas! Best cookies ever! Sign me up!!!
Seriously? Pac-10 vs Mountain West/Indy. San Francisco(okay Berkeley) vs Provo. California vs Utah. I vote no to BYU.
I agree, unless we played BYU very late in the season. Which would never happen, but a trip where you could combine M football and Wasatch powder would be pretty damn sweet.
Non-alum here.... Re. this:
"I'd love to see a Michigan-Cal matchup. Two of the most liberal institutions butting heads on the gridiron."
Is U of M actually *that* liberal? I'm not trying to incite political debate here, I'm genuinely curious. I hear U of M and AA characterized as very liberal a lot, but, in my experience, when something is labelled "very ____" relative to politics, it's usually an attempt to marginalize and in reality the place being referred to isn't as extreme as some would wish to characterize it.... So, is UM/AA really any more liberal than any other college/college town?
And its the most liberal place I've been not in Cali or Europe.
I'm not sure, but I definitely think our reputation for political activism is way overblown.
We were a lot more politically active when my parents where here, in the 1960s. Groups like SDS (a student terrorist group) formed here and such. These days people are a lot less active.
The reputation grows from the 60s and the Vietnam anti-war protest. Berkeley, CA and Ann Arbor, MI were the two most active anti-war areas and both because of the universities there. I just think the history behind both schools would make Cal-Michigan an interesting matchup.
Alos see Madison, WI (bombing and all).
To call SDS a political terrorist group in their days based in Ann Arbor is inaccurate. At that point, they were committed to direct action to change society and the economic system, but didn't advocate violence. Ineffective, self-absorbed, having far more genius at self-promotion than in accomplishing political change, sure, but not really student terrorists.
It's not until the late 60s, when splinter groups (mainly Weathermen and some Trotskyist youth organizations) who advocated and used violent tactics, seized control of SDS at one of their national conventions (I want to say 1969), but that was really the last nail in the coffin of a splintering group.
when compared to the definition of conservative by the far right wackos.
Trust me you don't know conservative until you've lived in Texas.
There's a reason I came back to Michigan ASAP.
Texas, as a whole, is obviously conservative but I'll tell you that Austin is right up there with UM and the schools in CA. I don't know about UM but UT has a MASSIVE population of pot smokers such to the point where the police had to change the laws that carrying a certain amount just gets you a traffic ticket (so to speak) because they didn't have enough room in the jails for all the kids getting busted carrying it around. And beyond that it's a huge liberal center politcally speaking and center of a ton of organizations part of the green movement that many consider to be part of the "liberal camp."
"... when something is labelled very ____ relative to politics, it's usually an attempt to marginalize ..."
So true ... Ann Arbor is a large Midwestern town with a decent (and shrinking) population of white-collar professionals and a smattering of LIBRULLS (or, if you want to go talk radio, LLLIBRULLZUH). In no way do the latter overwhelm the town. They certainly give it a flavor that's not found in other towns in that weight class (Madison excepted), but (again) I consider it a pretty tame place. It is much more yuppified/corporatized than it was 25 years ago.
Republicans don't even bother to run in Ann Arbor anymore for office. It's usually Democrat vs. Democrat, or liberal independent. Take that FWIW.
Look closely, though (at actions, rather than campaigns and such), and you'll see some real business done here and there. (I do not mean manufacturing of cars composed of, and run exclusively on, soybeans.)
It's true that Sarah Palin couldn't get many votes in Ann Arbor, but I still think it's far from the left wingy freak show that people picture.
Interesting. What blueheron wrote is about what I expected the "view from the ground" in AA is really like....as opposed to the sensationalized characterizations of it.....war protests and hash bash notwithstanding. =)
Even the Hash Bash is past its prime. Not that many students go to it. It's become an excuse for middle-aged hippies to come in and make a mess.
OSU has something very, very similar called "ChitFest" where it's just a big massive pot smoking, drug-fest mixed with gratutious amounts of alcohol held on Chittenden Ave. I only bring that up because most seem to think UM is much more liberal than OSU so saying you have a pot smoking party once a year doesn't really equal liberal, it just equals large school that, by raw numbers, has to have a certain number of pot smoking hippies (insert Cartman reference here).
Having been to most of the B10 towns and having lived in 3 of them, none come close anymore to Bloomington. This is the city that continually protests against the state building an interstate extentsion that would allow for the rest of the I-69 project to finish and have a continguous interstate between Canada and Mexico.
Bloomington is the only B10 city not on an interstate, and is one of the most difficult to get to because of it.
Add the political activism to the burgeoning gay, lesbian, and transgendered population, and you come up with the most "liberal" B10 campus.
I guess I can't give you specifics, just personal experience; i.e., friends, acquaintances, etc. But I would put Madison right up near the top. But maybe you should take that with a grain of salt as I am a self professed conservative.
Edit: On second thought, I probably shouldn't have shared that. Now watch me get negged.
who has lived in Ann Arbor, East Lansing and Madison, I will say that Madison is the most progressive/liberal of the three. Ann Arbor is a liberal college town, but still has many conservatives while East Lansing is just a town full of bad pizza and flat beer.
It's the 5th law of thermo - conservation of hot air. All their fans are full of it so there's none left to put in the beer :)
Why are they protesting the interstate? Is it just a general pushback against the car culture or is there some environmental reason?
Maybe you were in West Lafayette and were very confused. Bloomington is the most iberal city in Indiana. That was before the influx of kids from the east coast after 9/11.
And seriously, someone negged me for saying Bloomington is more liberal than Ann Arbor. You stay classy MGoBoard.
At one point I think Ann Arbor had the highest per capita contribution rate to the Obama campaign in either the nation or state. I'm having trouble finding a link but this is at least some support. I'm sure that's partly a reflection of the relative wealth of the city but certainly a pretty good indicator of its policital tendencies.
If Michigan is going to play anyone on the west coast it should be Oregon St. OSU will play anyone and I live close enough to Corvallis that I could go to the game.
Just a general Twitter question. How do people find these tweets that people provide. Like this one for example, who is Patrick Kinahan and how did you find this obscure tweet by him regarding BYU/UM?
Patrick Kinahan “PK”, is recognized as one of the top sports personalities in Utah. As the beat writer for BYU sports and Utah sports over the last 15 years, no one has developed better insights into the major rivalries in Utah.
He lives somewhere near Salt Lake City, listens to Mr. Kinahan, and subscribed to his tweets. The awesome thing about the Michigan fanbase is it's wide reaching nature. There's no sportscaster from Seattle, Miami, Dallas, or Bismarck that can say something Michigan related without it finding it's way here.
With BYU going independent, I could see them taking on a Notre Dame-esque level in the media. ESPN has exclusive rights to BYU home games from 2011 to 2018, so they could also be driving this deal. BYU needs to fill out their schedule with a bunch of teams now that they have no conference.
Although in the last decade, BYU almost certainly has been a better program than ND, BYU will never achieve a Notre Dame-esque level in the media because BYU doesn't have the same tradition and the same national following that Notre Dame has. The fact that ESPN has exclusive rights to their home games will increase their national profile to a greater extent than remaining in the Mountain West, but ESPN is not going to showcase BYU like NBC does for ND. If ESPN has the option of showing BYU or an ACC/SEC/Big 10/Big 12 matchup, the conference matchup is almost certain to draw more viewers and will win out much more often than not, leaving BYU to be shown on ESPNU or ESPN3 or one of the other lesser ESPN networks.
I also agree that this type of matchup is not the best scheduling idea. Unlike if when we play a team like Alabama, the upside of beating BYU is very small compared to the downside from a loss.
I believe BYU is staking their claim to ratings numbers on the growing number of mormons
Just as ND had a feeder system from every catholic school in the country in the good days, I believe that BYU and ESPN believe Mormons will tune in
Also, isn't there a rumor ND drops off of our schedule? Could this be the filler game?
I did hear on sports radio this afternoon (97.1), that the host had heard froma good source michigan was looking to bring in a big name for the open home game in 2012. Talk about a tough schedule....Bama, @ Neb @ ND @OSU and another tough team at home. Crazyness.
Not any if the Stooges. So there may be some validity to it.
I think teams like BYU, TCU, and Boise St. are starting to reach the level of BCS conference teams where we do gain the same amount of street cred for beating them as they would for beating us.
Plus, Provo is a great venue for a game and a tough place to play in.
I like that Brandon is branching out past Notre Dame and the MAC. I know we're a national brand, but we do need help out that way and the exposure will help a lot.
It's among the best in that category:
The team with no family values
The team all bred from one family
(jk loveu mormons)
BYU isn't the best choice for a home-and-home, but its better than the alternative: more games against eastern baby seal u.
I would like to see us schedule a serious ACC or Big 12 team, like A+M or VT. Someone who I can see us beating twice but carries serious name recognition.
Since when are they a serious BIG 12 team? If it was going to be a BIG12 team I'd prefer TT over A&M.
It's about name recognition: everyone knows A&M, as opposed to tech.
Name recognition + coaches poll = success.
Playing in Texas will help recruiting a heck of a lot more than playing in Provo.
You can't make the schedule too difficult. You need a "breather" or two in the schedule. Playing BGSU gave us the chance to work a lot of young guys in. If we're playing Bama, ND and VT, we can't do that.
but you don't need 3 of them. I understand that it becomes a really tough schedule with the one-off bama game, but its better than not having a tough road game later as opposed to another cupcake.
I'm leery of playing them for two reasons:
1. The high altitude in Provo. (Can't prepare for that in Michigan.)
2. They've got a bunch of guys who are 24 or 25, thanks to their Mormon missions.
Not a fan personally but it's a step up from FCS schools like UMASS...
Oregon again. I would love to see Denard tear them a new asshole as payback for what Dixon did to us. Also Texas as well.
I've had my fill of Oregon. I'd play just about any other Pac-10 team first. Actually, I'd love a crack at Kiffin and SC.
The BYU Hawaii campus? I wouldn't mind sun, surf and palms, especially over dry cities, dry land and potatoes (ok, potatoes are fine, but that's it!).
Unless im thinking of the wrong university, but BYU is a pass heavy team, correct? That's not good for us. Maybe by the time we play them, if it happens, we'll be better at pass D but until then I would stay away from any pass happy team. That's like LC era scheduling vs Oregon and app state when we couldn't stop any mobile QB at that time. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't like it.
as this upstanding Mormon tweeted the news earlier today. Surprisingly no word yet on whether Tate has requested a transfer this week.
Not a fan of a home and home with them. If it's true, then there aren't going to be nine conference games.
of the 'interesting' 2012 scheduling... mf
no plz kthx
In with BYU and out with ND for these 2 years? I can see this, otherwise it is just too much religiousity for my blood. If Kelly revs it up, this could be a nice trade off and this seems likely given Kelly appears to be getting pretty good recruits.
I like that we're taking a stronger approach to OOC scheduling. After years of MAC teams, it's nice to see teams like Oregon, Utah, UConn, and BYU come to the Big House. Besides, if we have 2 BCS teams (or BCS busters) on our schedule, it only makes us look better.
Between 2000 and 2004 we lost to UCLA, WASH STATE, and OREGON
Lets wait till New Years Day to play on west coast!
I'm not too excited for this either. I'm a student at BYU, so I don't want to have to chose between the school I attend, BYU, and the team I've loved my entire life, Michigan
I live out west now so I'd have to make the road trip to see us against the Stormin' Mormons if it works out.
No thanks to this as well. Really absolutely nothing for us to gain and uh, trip to Provo? No thanks. Do you get to tailgate before games? When I was in Salt Lake City, you couldn't find a stimulant or depressant to save your life. Well, maybe to save your life, I guess I didn't look at a hospital.
Well I know one guy that would be really happy if this game ended up happening:
Laughed out loud when I got to PastoMan's comment on that link
Pics or it didn't happen
High risk and little reward